6. the progressives promised to hold out for a 'robust' public option
They say that - after deciding to break the pledge they signed - that there's 'work to be done'. I wonder if they mean 'work' in the Senate bill, or do they just intend to push reform of the PO they passed on to sometime after 2013?
18. I guess not having any public option would be the better choice? No thanks
You have to start somewhere. I don't like the fact they watered this down; but the fact remains that the public option will be in there. And that's moving us in the right direction; once people see how well such an option works Im sure it will be expended within a few years.
20. 'I'm sure it will be expended within a few years.'
This is how folks who have everything they want or need put the neglected ones off. 'Don't worry, we'll get to you.' I'm not holding my breath with my hands folded neatly in my lap. If you believe in a strong public option you need to keep fighting for it - in THIS Congress. If you have what you need, it should be a natural thing to fight for those who don't. All of this putting it off to the future while folks who already have insurance or can afford it in some form feather their own nests is a shame, And with all of the money squandered elsewhere, we're still getting a miserly slap in the face. Despicable.
32. Tell me what you need me to do to pass a public option, I'll do it
If you don't have any ideas outside of the call your congressman bullshit then we have to live with what we got. And this is a lot better than no bill at all and we'll be lucky if it actually gets through the senate. You can ignore that all you want but that's just the way things are.
. . . is that this isn't the time to concede to these compromises and reversals. I think that the more we understand the state and form of this legislation, the better we'll be able to defend or advocate our positions when we do make our outside appeals. If you're too frustrated to discuss it then you should opt out of these threads.
26. The point is it will onyl work well if it is large and used by many people. You can read
about that from the man who created the public option concept. If not available it can not work. It will be more expensive than private prices are now. What would make it work is the large number of people enrolled. That is how you keep prices down.
35. Well the CBO thinks this bill will cover 96% of the uninsured. you disagree with that?
Sure, most of those wont be through the public option yet. But I don't buy your premise that it wont work. If this bill is ineffective 96% of the uninsured wouldn't end up covered. And that public option will always be there as a threat to insurance companies; if they start jacking up their prices the government can expend eligibility.
Is this as good as a strong public option? Of course not. But it's a crap load better than a trigger or a co-op. And I'll take it.
39. The public option will be priced based on "the market". Only uninsured are eligible
either at poverty level (whatever percentage they are allowing, poverty plus something) or if you work for a small business AND are uninsured for at least 6 months. We cannot apply for the public option and switch from private insurance to the public option. And it will not be cheaper anyway, so....
13. Great theory ... have an actual plan that means more than a fart in a wind tunnel?
The corporations have all three branches of govt bought n paid for.
So ... Write all the letters you want, blog all you want, call your Reps all you want, march all you want - don't mean SHIT to Power. Until more finally realize the lessons of history, this illusory rep democracy will continue on its path w/Power taking more and more for itself over the backs of The Many - until enough of The Many finally say, Fuck. You. (and MEAN it) Until then it remains a populace of brainwashed cowards who are willing to over-inflate the crumbs thrown to them by Power so that they don't have to face the bitter truth.
9. Yep. It was always a scam from day 1. It was a lure to get the people off the notion of single payer
and then it was dismantled to the point that it doesn't really exist.
Joe Lieberman was chosen as the person in the Senate to be the "bad cop," leaving the rest of the caucus the roll of the 'good cops.'
Joe is very important to to the Dems because he provides them with cover. That's why they love him and won't do anything to threaten his very valuable function in the Senate. He let's them collect their contributions in relative peace.
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion
board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules
page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the
opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent
the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.