Women Are Overtaking Men in the U.S.

[apples and oranges]

(Nov. 5) -- The United States may have officially entered the age of woman.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, this fall, for the first time in U.S. history, women have surpassed men and now make up more than 50 percent of the nation's workforce. In 1967, by comparison, they accounted for just one-third of all workers.

Signs of the changing landscape in gender relations are just about everywhere you look:

• Double the number of single women are now purchasing homes in America than there are single men.
• Four out of every 10 women are are now their family's primary breadwinner, a sharp increase from past decades.
• The New Hampshire State Legislature is now made up of a majority of women, a first for a legislative body in the U.S., and the number of women in government continues to edge up nationwide.
• Women now account for 30 percent of math Ph.D.s, up from just 5 percent in the 1960s.
• On average, women read nine books every year. Men only read four, and women account for 80 percent of the U.S. fiction market.

"Women really have become the dominant gender," said Guy Garcia, author of "The Decline of Men." "What concerns me is that guys are rapidly falling behind. Women are becoming better educated than men, earning more than men, and, generally speaking, not needing men at all. Meanwhile, as a group, men are losing their way."

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[Taverner]

1. A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle...

[ProleNoMore]

3. The Good News Is That As Man Gets Older - He No Longer Needs Woman Either

eom

[Taverner]

5. No one 'needs' anyone

But sometimes having someone around is a good thing

[ProleNoMore]

13. Was Referring To The Sexual Imperative - Have Reached The Age Were Woman No Longer Cause A Stir

quite liberating actually.

[Beacool]

17. Ahem, Viagra could change that.

Just saying............

[Taverner]

41. Yes, but so can some hardcore porn and some nitrous oxide

Just sayin'

[Beacool]

45. Whatever works...............

[ProleNoMore]

47. Hardcore Porn Barely Registers A Flicker Of Excitement For This One Any More

eom

[Taverner]

55. Please don't tell me that's my destiny

[vadawg]

65. lol im crying too mate, i want to be having kids when im in my hundreds

to have the libido of an olympian and the time to enjoy my pursuits....

[ProleNoMore]

44. Without Initiating Hormones The Urge Is Just Not There

eom

[Beacool]

52. Well, as long as you're happy.

Then there's no problem.

[ProleNoMore]

53. Really Without The Physical Pressure To Date And Mate - Life Is Much Less Stressful

eom

[Skittles]

173. what age is that exactly?

I've known men of all ages who are still interested

[Xicano]

131. Perhaps, but I'll take a dog or cat any day before I'd take in a person.

I love my independents. I prefer staying single and having some single women friends who think about permanent relationships the same as I do - just friends/no commitments.

Myself personally, I am so glad I didn't fall for the marriage trap. Get to do whatever you want whenever you want without someone hassling.



Peace,
Xicano

[dana_b]

164. wow! someone else who feels exactly as I do!

although I did fall for the marriage trap. Stupid mistake!!

[Xicano]

167. Here, here

Freedom, its a beautiful thing.

[redqueen]

132. Yeah but who wants a woman around unless you want to/get to fuck her?

That's the message I get from this other guy.

A real charmer, I'm sure.

[Xicano]

136. IMO, I've seen that go both ways.

I know several women who don't want a man around unless they want to fuck him. Then its adios until they call again. I can't tell how many times I've heard women talking about having a "boy toy."

My position is its mutual, but at the same time there are plenty of other things besides sex or the expectation of sex female friends and I will do.

I don't see any problem with it..

[redqueen]

138. Any posts in here saying that?

I mean thanks for telling me what some friends of yours are like, but they're not here saying shitty things are they?

[Xicano]

146. I am not sure why you're getting all bent out of shape?

The guy's post you responded to didn't say anything any different than the post he responded to. And my post was just merely pointing out that neither side has a monopoly on using the opposite sex, and, that not all circumstances of no commitment are based in some sort of negativism. On the contrary, most are mutual.

[redqueen]

147. The post he responded to is a smart-alecky saying from the 70s...

not a serious response.

I'm not bent out of shape... just taking an opportunity to point out how awful it is. The sentiment is often (and earnestly) either directly said or implied (that sex is all men desire from women).

[Xicano]

150. "Sex is all men desire from women"

And all I tried to point out is that there are plenty of women who I know who are only interested in men as a "boy toy." Is the ratio between men and women with this attitude about equal? Probably not, but, any suggestion that all men only look at women because of sex is just plainly false.

Another thing I think women fail to understand in this picture is the role of testosterone. Not that I am giving any excuses for inappropriate behavior, because, I am not. Inappropriate behavior is inappropriate behavior. Nevertheless I know woman wish men better understood their hormone causes which drive certain behavior from them. That's all I am saying about testosterone. Women don't know what its like to have this sex driving hormone raging throughout your body 24/7.

Both sexes have their quarks. n/t

[redqueen]

152. That's all I'm saying.

"any suggestion that all men only look at women because of sex is just plainly false."

Exactly. That's why every time it is brought up I can't resist pointing out how horrible it is to say such a thing.

As for hormones... both sexes have their challenges to endure and overcome. Only one is widely encouraged by peers to revel / wallow in it.

[Xicano]

158. Last question.

What exactly did you mean in one of your previous posts when you said: "what some friends of yours are like?" I might be incorrect in my assumption, but, that doesn't pass the smell test.

I mean that wouldn't be something like when a homophobe refers to gay couples as to how gay people are like, or, when a racist refers to minorities as to how minorities are like would it? Maybe I am incorrect, but, that comment sure doesn't look good - it appears to be bigoted.

Just asking so I'll know what type of person I am responding to. Thanks.

[redqueen]

159. Oh FFS.

You said that some women you know are like that - they want nothing to do with men except for sex.

All I was saying is that it's all well and good that some of your friends are the same, but since they're not here to share their support for such a shitty way of being, it's kind of beside the point, isn't it? We're all very aware that there are people of both sexes who hold shitty views about the other sex.

I like that though... "what type of person I am responding to"... very informative about yourself.

[Xicano]

160. Thanks for the clarity.

Glad to see you're the type person without prejudice instead of the type person with prejudice. Prejudice against prejudice type people is acceptable. Again, glad to see you're not prejudice.


Peace,
Xicano

[Taverner]

141. Who needs to fuck anybody when you can do a better job on your own?

[redqueen]

142. Yeah... I always had this naive belief

that something called 'friendship' was desirable (or even possible, I guess).

I guess all the people who said men don't want women as friends but only so they could maybe hopefully fuck them one day were right all along.

[Taverner]

143. Friendship is why I got married, not the sex

As in "who could you be trapped in a submarine with for thirty years and not want to strangle at any point?"

[vadawg]

25. christ i hope not, i want to live to die at 120 and my new wife the 15th one

have to take a couple of days of from college for the funeral...

[ProleNoMore]

48. Maybe Ones Hormones Will Hold Better Than this Ones Have Done Over Time

Good luck.

[Lorien]

103. I've lost count of how many older men I know who can't take care of

themselves without a wife or daughter's help. Can't cook, clean, or do their own laundry. Some can't pay their own bills. It's probably learned helplessness or possibly just plain old laziness, but they require far, far more care than the widows that I've known do. Maybe it's time to bring back home economics classes!

[bikingaz]

172. Men & women no longer wanting the other - Pretty pathetic

It is not always about sex, it is about companionship.
Maybe a pet would be best for some.

[vadawg]

2. it all sounds good until there is an invasion of bathroom dwelling spiders

then you will lament the lack of men....

[JerseygirlCT]

9. Nah... I just grab a tissue and smash the ever-loving-buggy nastiness out of them

Bugs are not allowed in my house. They cross that line; they die!

[Xicano]

129. LOL, my sentiments exactly.

Bugs simply are not allowed in my house. If somehow one finds a way in, its a fatal error on their part.

[Robb]

11. Not in this house.

The division of labor here does not include Robb getting spiders. They are oogy.

[tnlefty]

15. Nope. Spiders are friends.

They take out other bugs and a few and I co-habitate in the house. The rest are working hard in my flower beds, and it's a good thing.

[imdjh]

20. I didn't even have to look. I knew you didn't live below the freeze line.

[tnlefty]

24. I have no idea what you mean...

it does freeze here.

[imdjh]

34. Right, it freezes there, hence no problem with venemous tropical critters.

[tnlefty]

58. Well we do have black widows and the less lethal, yet still

nasty, brown recluse, but carry on...

[Shell Beau]

59. Brown recluses are worse. They are much more aggressive than

black widows. We have both, and I have known many people to have been bitten by the recluse. I only know one person who got bitten by a widow. I would rather come across a black widow than a brown recluse any ole day. Plus they are much more identifiable. I am always iffy on certain spiders that look a lot like a recluse, but I always know if it is a black widow.

[imdjh]

63. We're getting a mess of these hard shell spiders that look like crabs.

[janx]

79. That sounds like something from The Time Machine! n/t

[imdjh]

93. here's a picture

[Shell Beau]

100. That's pretty cool looking.

[Xithras]

111. Oooh, a spiny orbweaver

Also known as crab spiders or jewel spiders. We get variations of those here in California. Very cool looking spider.

For those who have never been around one, they can look intimidating, but aren't really dangerous. Their bite is slightly painful (similar to a bee sting) but is largely nonpoisonous. At worst, the area right around the bite might swell up for an hour or so, but most people don't even have that problem.

[redqueen]

119. Wow... neat!

Thanks for the pic, I love spiders.

[myrna minx]

128. Oooh. That's a beautiful spider.

I've never seen such a thing before.

[janx]

169. That is marvelous!

I've never seen anything like it!

[Jamastiene]

180. Cool spider.

We have Argiopes where I live...and Carolina Wolf Spiders. Those are fun at night. All I have to do to see how many wolfies are in my yard is step out and shine a flashlight in the yard. I can see their eyes. They run 10 mph too. I've learned to live just fine as long as they don't come inside and scare my boy cat. He's afraid of big spiders.

[tnlefty]

70. Around here black widows like to hang out in obove ground

transformer covers for underground electrical wiring...shiny, small, black stay away. My grandfather was bitten by a brown recluse that was in his shoe. That nasty bite took months to heal.

When I was in elementary school we were taught to identify those two types of spiders. Just leave them alone. We were taught to check shoes before putting them on. Along with the dangerous snakes and snapping turtles, just try to get away and leave them be. The baby snakes are the worst for me as they don't always look like the adults and are every bit as dangerous. I've fished them out of our pool and this year I found a baby alligator snapping turtle in the skimmer. I'm careful and usually okay with it, until it hits me that the grown ones are around.

Roaches sent me into the stratosphere though, especially the large winged ones that I experienced in S. Georgia...no thanks, a smash fest with whatever is available.

[havocmom]

68. Live in Montana, with black widows, even some small scorpions

Maybe some brown recluse types who came up with the boxes and found a home in the basement....

Summer time is season of skeeters and 'no see ums' the latter of which raise really nasty welts and make me very ill. Seriously, worse than Tucson for bug bites.

[Shell Beau]

69. Oh skeeters and the no see ums are the worst.

The mosquitoes aren't quite what they are in mid-MS as they are in the MS delta. I think the river has something to do with it, but in the delta, they are gigantic, and there are so many of them that it is freaky. You can't go outside after dusk and not be bombarded with them. Luckily, they aren't the type that really carry West Nile, but you will be eaten up. I gripe about them so much in the summer here. My baby is so allergic. We made many doctor visits from bites that turned into impetigo. They were twice the size of a quarter on her little ole body. We even bought a mosquito net to cover her bed. I can't imagine if I still lived in the delta. And the no see ums? Well they suck because you don't see them. They are tearing you up and you can't even find them to smack them. UGH!! I still see no purpose for mosquitoes and roaches. They should be extinct. And they will probably be the last surviving creatures on the planet.

[Shell Beau]

57. Well I do, and I try not to kill spiders. They are our friends.

Now, the black widows and brown recluses get killed. Some poor little brown recluse look alikes get smashed too. And now there are these brown widows. But be careful, I was just trying to push a wolf spider away the other day, wasn't killing it, and all of a sudden, thousands of baby spiders emerged. Unfortunately for them, most of them got smushed. I couldn't have a thousand spiders on my floor with my 1 year old walking about. Or even if I didn't have a baby, a thousand spiders is creepy. But I do not kill regular ole house spiders. Or any bugs for that matter. EXCEPT roaches. And I don't kill them. My husband does. ICK!

[imdjh]

62. The lizards do most of my bug killing.

[Lorien]

105. Heh, that's what I tell visitors who notice the cobwebs in the corners

I prefer spiders to mosquitoes!

[FlyingSquirrel]

19. Actually, for my wife it's slugs.

But she has managed to live without me for a year and 2 months. And I without her. Doesn't mean either of us are happy.

[d_b]

21. Funny you say that

While on vacation a few years ago my buddy and I had to have his wife kill a bathroom spider because we're scared to death of them

[ThomCat]

22. I hope that was intended as a bad joke.

If so, then you succeeded.

I really hope that your serious contribution to this thread isn't to suggest that women so timid and terrified that they will have relationships with men out of fear of bugs.

Women, so fearful and in need to protection from mighty men who can kill those big, bad spiders.

[vadawg]

27. i hope to god that this post from you was meant as a joke

if not then you need to hone your sense of humour powers...... everyone else seemed to get it...

[ThomCat]

39. Yeah, I always find jokes with sexist stereotypes funny.

Honing humour powers, is that what you call it when you find sexist stereotypes funny?

[vadawg]

42. lol dude you must be the most unhappy guy on the planet, the whole thing about humour is that its

aimed at certain people or groups, thats what makes it funny because we all see the humour in the stereotype....

[Cherchez la Femme]

43. Yeah!

You don't like sexist &/or stereotypical jokes therefore you MUST be unhappy!

Makes perfect sense!


*sigh* It just gets crazier in here every day, doesn't it?

[ThomCat]

77. Yup, because accepting and enjoying sexist jokes is the authoritative

measure of emotional health. And all humor apparently has to target and mock some group of people. Right? So mocking groups of people must be okay.

It is amazing and sad what kinds of stupid and bigoted shit people will admit to believing.

[vadawg]

81. and its amazing what the humourless dont understand....

[ThomCat]

84. What is it that you think I don't understand?

Your joke is hardly rocket science. It is very blatant, very simple, and very obvious.

If that is your only defense, that your joke is somehow so intellectual and complicated that it went over my head then just admit you have nothing intelligent to say at this time.

After posting a joke like that, we would understand.

[vadawg]

86. lol just pointing out the fact that you are humourless and unable to understand as you put it

a very blatant, simple and obvious joke.

[ThomCat]

87. I fully understand it. I also have a great sense of humor.

Your joke just doesn't quality as funny. Throwing around stereotypes isn't funny. People who like throwing around stereotypes aren't funny.

If anything, you are clearly the one who can't seem to understand.

[vadawg]

88. yes i guess your right, thats why there are no comedians who throw around stereotypes

i think you need to stop wearing your cowboy hat so tight when you are on your wooden high horse.....

[imdjh]

106. good intentions

You know, most of the workplace deportment rules were supposed to make the workplace a safer more pleasant place to be. In reality, "professional" HR departments turned all that on its head, by removing common sense and intent from the equation, by basing the standard or the most fragile and unbalanced person imaginable.

[imdjh]

101. Wow. You worked in HR didn't you? How does it feel to be a cranky old nun, trapped...

..... in a man's body?

[Cherchez la Femme]

170. I knew a guy once

with the thickest skull imaginable. When you told him his simplistic 'joke' wasn't funny he'd first tell you HOW funny it was, then 'explain' it and when you still didn't find it funny, would dig himself a deeper grave with more egregious and even less funnier jokes.

I shall call you.... Charles.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

114. Thank you for standing up for us!

I see your efforts here often and I for one appreciate them!

Hell
(Who owned an Easy Bike Oven and knew how to use a power drill by 8!)

[Brooklyns_Finest]

161. Dude, relax

[Robb]

28. ...

[ThomCat]

85. I love the quote in your signature, BTW.

I wish Obama had really meant it, and had not been lying to the LGBT community again.

It is getting to the point where his lies are so frequent and consistent that it is finding any truth in his promises that becomes difficult.

[Lorien]

107. Personally I found it pretty pathetic

if that's his great contribution to womankind (most of us have no problem with bugs, contrary to popular myths) then he sure hasn't much to bring to the table in any relationship.

[GOTV]

117. Q: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: That's not funny!

[janx]

29. No. I've always been the one to deal with the spiders...

and just about everything else!

[LeftyMom]

56. I'm not afraid of spiders.

[TwilightGardener]

73. For me, it's the crawlspace--that's 100% a man's job. I will never, ever, ever go in there.

Just can't do it.

On edit--spiders, meh. If they ever evolve to where they have wings, however, then I'll be a basket case.

[Lorien]

104. Pfft! Several men I know call ME to remove spiders and snakes from their

properties. My Floridian garage looks like a cave that Indiana Jones would avoid; snakes, possums, bats, and black widows galore. Doesn't bother me in the least.

[Ron Green]

113. Only on DU - the spider subthread is the most interesting part of the whole.

[myrna minx]

127. Nope - I let the spiders be. I figure if the spiders are here,

they're taking care of the insects I *don't* want to know about.

[JerseygirlCT]

4. Well, Guy, can't say I share your concern

at all.

When men make 75 cents to every dollar a woman makes... when women are the majority in almost every legislative body in the country... when there's a woman in the WH... when reproductive rights are totally secured...

then perhaps I'll be concerned. Right now, it's seeming like the world might be a better place if women were the ones in charge for a while.

[cali]

6. wtf. this article has a really unsavory tone, not to mention some outright lies.

[Robb]

10. If you take out everything said by Guy Garcia

...it's actually a good piece.

[ThomCat]

23. It really does seem confrontational. It is pushing a tone of men vs women.

As if having women in the workforce and having purchasing power is somehow a bad thing for men.

Never mind that those women are still working in corporate environments established and controlled by men, in which all the rules and biases favor men. From this article you would think women are taking over.

[Robb]

7. More than half the workforce, but making 77% the money.

Improvement, yes. Parity in $$, no.

But, that may be on the outs, too. I liked hearing this:

In 2009, for instance, women will earn more degrees in higher education than men in every possible category, from associate level to Ph.D.s, according to the U.S. Department of Education. When it comes to master's-level education, for instance, U.S. women earn 159 degrees for every 100 awarded to men.

[noamnety]

8. Cry me a river, Guy.

Women make up half the US population, and he's upset because ONE state legislature out of FIFTY has a majority of women.

Nothing worse than a male supremacist whining because their hold on the power structure is at 98% instead of 100.

[Lagomorph]

12. The women can have it.

Keep the plumbing fixed, run out into wind storms and fix the power lines, go to work at 4 am, make it home by 6 pm.

Dive over the side of a crab boat in the arctic ocean to fix a fouled propeller and keep those oil wells running.

I'll be sitting here watching ESPN. It's a sweet deal for the men.

[Arugula Latte]

16. Yeah, because women NEVER do hard work or work long hours

or take on the second shift after working for pay or get shitty or no pay for taking on essential jobs like childcare and elder care.

[Lagomorph]

26. and you'll have many more opportunites to do so.

Go sign up at a truck driving school and get a job as an ice road driver. The money is good, you'll be able to afford vacations.

Mine clearing technicians are in high demand and women are underrepresented in the field. The money is fantastic.

Find a tall girlfriend to change the light bulbs and get things off the top shelf and you'll never need to talk to a man again.

I'm perfectly OK with letting the women handle it.

[vadawg]

30. rofl you should always stand back after lighting the touchpaper

but i get what you are saying about the ESPN thing...

[treestar]

66. You'll be taking care of the kids and doing the housework if I read that right

[vadawg]

71. yup but with a beer in one hand and ESPN on a TV in every room

hell it does sound like a great deal....

[treestar]

133. That beer is not good for your figure

And the ESPN might make you boring to your sugar mama. She may dump you for a younger version, be careful.

[chrisa]

14. Men are useless! Useless I tell you!

[imdjh]

18. Men are much more likely to be working outside the reach of this study. Thanks to corporate culture.

Many men have abandoned the corporate workplace, would rather work for themselves (for more, same, or less pay) than work for any corporation. They got sick of the bullshit.

[anonymous171]

+1. nt

[Kalyke]

134. Or working under the table to avoid child support payments.

Hey - it's what my ex does.

[imdjh]

148. From the sidelines it's hard to imagine why any of these folks married each other.

The men are all scuzbags who work off the books to avoid spousal and child support. The women are all total bitches who go out of their way to make life miserable for everyone involved. The judges are so stupid, they would have to see a woman actually smoking a crack pipe to judge her the lesser parent, or see a man actually sporting a halo to judge him the better parent. Have I left anyone out?

My favorite, is the exwife who goes to court to get support increased, because the exhusband got a second job to make up for the money he's paying the exwife.

The surprising thing isn't that married people kill each other, it's that so few kill each other.

[lukasahero]

155. "The surprising thing isn't that married people kill each other, it's that so few kill each other."

Appallingly not funny

"Female murder victims are substantially more likely than male murder victims to have been killed by an intimate
In recent years -

About one third of female murder victims were killed by an intimate.

About 3% of male murder victims were killed by an intimate.

Of all female murder victims, the proportion killed by an intimate has been increasing.

Of male murder victims, the proportion killed by an intimate has dropped."

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/intimates.htm

Don't mind me though, I'm just another humorless feminist...

[imdjh]

157. I wasn't joking. It's an observation.

People are killed every day for less than what goes on in a marriage, separation, or divorce. People have been killed over pocket change, an x box, a bottle of liquor or small amount of drugs, an insult or perceived insult, a misunderstanding. That someone who specializes in making another person's life miserable (frequently a person that he/she himself/herself has claimed is dangerous to the point of a restraining order) is killed in that pursuit, is not surprising, and it is indeed surprising that it doesn't happen more often.

[lukasahero]

166. Fair enough

It's just when people talk about spouses killing each other, since it's often the woman who ends up dead (and being personally invested in the statistics myself), I admit to lacking a sense of humor about it.

[imdjh]

163. BTW, thanks for the website, it's interesting. So what is your theory?

Significant drop in women killing men, while men killing women is fairly stable. My first thought was that a big chunk of the female on male had been recategorized, but nothing on that webpage explains it that way. Then, it doesn't explain it at all.

[lukasahero]

165. I was kind of thinking it had something to do with folks like the writer of the op article

But that's neither a theory I can immediately provide statistics for nor one that I care to argue about on DU.

I do think there are ******!!!!!!SOME!!!!!!******* men in our world who are pretty pissed off about the achievements of women and feel a loss of control and power who end up taking it out on the women in their lives. But I have to tell you, I don't have time to pursue a lengthy discourse about it right now. Sorry.

(Which is too bad because it feels like an eternity since I've had the opportunity to actually discuss an issue on DU. I really do have to run and will be in class tonight. Maybe later. Thanks for asking.)

[Kalyke]

162. Um... in my case, it's actually provable.

I know where he works (under the table) and have reported this, but nothing is done. He owes me around $10,000 in back child support.

I specifically said that my ex was working under the table IN MY CASE and wasn't really offering too much statistical back-up.

Oh - and the joke about the ex wife demanding more money because the ex husband got a second job is ridiculous. Child support tables are based on the non-custodial parent's TOTAL income (not just his day job); therefore, if he earns more money, he's entitled to pay more in support. As it is, it's only 21 percent for the first child and somewhat less for each subsequent child. That's not a man's entire income - not by a long shot.

However, you decided to make the fabulously unfunny joke about married people killing one another.

I don't know about you, but I'm fairly indifferent regarding my ex and don't give a shit about him enough to even think about killing him. The money he owes, he owes to our son - not to me.

[HipChick]

31. What is it exactly I need a man for again?

[Lagomorph]

33. Nothing....absolutely nothing...

If you have to ask, you can't afford one.

[vadawg]

35. not sure i can access the pics on my puter at work, but im sure you can do a google search

try Shark Bait

[The Straight Story]

38. Same reason a man needs a woman, sex. Outside of that all you get is trouble

[Beacool]

50. Nope, note really.

They have the most amazing gadgets and toys nowadays.

And no wet spot.........

[redqueen]

120. You reminded me of this one line from a movie...

two women were talking about sex and how after having a certain kind of climax while alone, how disappointed they were the first time they had sex.

[Beacool]

126. Well yeah, no guy can compete with Duracell

or the Energizer Bunny. He keeps going and going and .............

[redqueen]

135. Heh... not so much duracell as...

not enough focus on the man in the boat.

[UndertheOcean]

40. Penis ?

I heard they give women pleasure , some of them.

[Beacool]

51. Naaaah, they are overrated.

[Lorien]

108. You got me

[kayakjohnny]

32. And when they finally get the brute strength thing down, then we can talk.

Sorry. Had to be said.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

76. Can a statement be sexist and true at the same time?

[vadawg]

82. rofl i guess so.......

[iris27]

171. And brute strength is necessary for...what, exactly?

I open my own jars and move my own furniture, thanks.

[Jamastiene]

176. Why break our backs when there are machines and other tools to do

most of the hard work nowadays? You assume you are irreplaceable. There are already tools that come in all sorts of neon colors (some with batteries and some withut) that can fully replace you now.

[treestar]

36. He thinks we already are the dominant gender?

What kind of books? if they are romances of the dime store variety that may not be so impressive.

[UndertheOcean]

37. Good , that means each man will have 2 or 3 women competing for him

[Odin2005]

54. I would love to have 2 or 3 women competing for me!

I'm a bit shy, having more assertive gals when it comes to dating would be good for me!

Seriously, though, this notion that us guys have to make the first move is stupid.

[treestar]

67. But they'll have to keep themselves in shape and enhance their looks

You know, so we're willing to support them.

[vadawg]

72. nope, if there is 2 or 3 women for every guy, theres gonna be enough crazy or desperate chicks

that even the crustiest dude will be a good catch...

[Lorien]

112. Like I said. Keep dreaming

your dreams will be the only thing keeping you warm at night.

[Lorien]

110. And learn to cook, clean, and care for the kids

while maintaining those six pack abs.

[treestar]

78. How so?

Are 1/3 of men going to die because they are no longer dominant? It's so bad they'll kill themselves?

[anonymous171]

94. I could get used to living this "New Age of Women" . nt

[Lorien]

109. Keep dreaming

I'm meeting more and more young lesbians these days. Gorgeous, educated and intelligent ones at that.

[redqueen]

121. LOL

[Kalyke]

137. Um... if we don't need you, then why would we fall all overselves competing for you?

Nope - men will still be the ones competing - this time for the rich woman vs. the dumb bimbo.

[Jamastiene]

177. Well, if you are going to dream...

dream big, I guess.

[Sparkly]

46. Hence the backlash. nt

[Odin2005]

49. Oh noes! It's a national emergency! Women need to be put in their place! *SARCASM*

[La Lioness Priyanka]

60. LOL. 60% of family's primary breadwinner is a man, 70% of phd's are men

really sounds like we are totally overtaking. if overtaking means running behind.

[Shell Beau]

61. I guess I am in that 30% because I am the breadwinner in my family.

And crazy enough my husband is more educated (degree wise) in his field than I am in mine.

Those stastics suck. I say that because I thought women had advanced a little more than that. Women get paid less for the same job, etc., etc., etc.

[Union Yes]

64. Smart, fair legislation like Lilly Ledbetter Act..

..will help protect these progressive gains for all women.

KNR

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

74. women account for 80 percent of the U.S. fiction market.

Is that really a good thing?

[YoungAndOutraged]

75. Behold the double standard

This is good, no? Men deserve it for ruling women for 10,000 years, right? No, instead of knocking men down below women, we should lift women up to the same level as men, but that's not really popular or PC, so who cares?

[seabeyond]

80. has always been my intent and goal. nt

[YoungAndOutraged]

83. Then get to work

Surely what I said was not the most offensive statement in this thread?

[seabeyond]

96. wtf... lol. wtf? i agree with you, no need to lessen another to achieve goal

what are you talking about offensive?

get to work?

what would you like me to do? do tell

[Xenotime]

116. I'm all for knocking men down a few notches...

I can't stand sexist sites like the art of manliness .com

[alittlelark]

89. Survival of the mentally fittest?

[Mixopterus]

91. I dunno

I've met lots of stupid men AND women.

IIRC, the IQ standard distribution graphs show men have a slightly wider curve than women, but I've seen nothing to demonstrate a positively skewed distribution among women.

[anonymous171]

95. Same arguments were used against women back when they were at the bottom.

They did poorly in school because they were dumb, not because of sexism. Same thing for their low college attendance and work presence.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

90. In the end

Everyone loses. Who do you think will be dating/marrying these low achieving males? Your daughters, of course.

[Mixopterus]

92. Indeed

Why are some thrilled that men are meeting adversity (according to the article), shouldn't the goal of a true progressive be the improvement of everyone regardless of sex?

[Brooklyns_Finest]

97. No

There are a lot of bitter old women on this site who could care less for men, or young women for that matter. You cannot reason with those people.

[Mixopterus]

98. Ah

Why are they so bitter? Whatever some men have done does not extend to all men.

One must ask the basic ethical question, I suppose: What is their intent?

[redqueen]

122. Who are you talking about?

Who exactly is thrilled?

What "adversity" are you talking about?

[Mixopterus]

175. I usually hate quoting myself, but...

"...adversity (according to the article)"

I won't name names, I'm not sure I am allowed to, but I have seen a couple posts from women either joking about it (assuming it is a false phenomenon) or thinking it is a good thing. Remember, the article said -overtaking-, not equilibrium or balance.

Of this we are not sure if the article is true or he is just blowing smoke, that would require further research. I do, however, doubt these same people would be so dismissive of an article about women in a similar situation (whose truth cannot be instantly obtained) and would quite literally flip out should men make jokes about females "staying in the kitchen".

[Mithreal]

99. I welcome this news and hope for more of the same.

However, I think the average man is being ill served by our government.

[Romulox]

102. They're welcome to it. I, and many like me, I suspect, are choosing to "check out"

"Check out" of this disgusting consumerist culture...

[Lorien]

115. I have a friend with three adult male children, none of whom have a job

they all live with their dad and his new wife. They just don't "want" to work. Well hell, most of us would rather not be working, but that's just part of being an adult. All three are fairly attractive and intelligent, but not one has a girlfriend; why would anyone want to get involved with a lazy deadbeat? Her sons constantly hit her up for money even though she's unemployed. It's pathetic. And they are hardly alone; another 48 year old man I know has been supported by his wife's 38k income for 7 years. He won't help around the house except to do a little laundry, never helps out with the kids. It's only a matter of time before she kicks him out. Other women I know have already done the same with their deadbeat boys and husbands. Boys are under-performing girls in school, enrolling less than women in college...what gives? Was Bart Simpson a roll model for half the boys in this country a decade or two ago? Why the lack of drive and ambition? I think that women are doing what has to be done to survive, but why men are increasingly dropping out and moving back in with mom and dad...? Is it only an American phenomenon of is it global?

[Hannah Bell]

123. one of the hallmarks of poor communities is a high rate of unemployment

or underemployment among men w/ correspondingly higher employment for women.

this isn't good news, it's another sign of the impoverishment of the citizenry.

w/ the poorer employment prospects also goes more family pressure & less family cohesiveness; consequently bad effects on kids.

[The2ndWheel]

130. I've lacked that drive and ambition for as long as I can remember

The drive and ambition...to...do...what?

[Xenotime]

145. Exactly. What is the purpose of work beyond merely earning another dollar?

[Spike89]

151. I think it is American (but not exclusively)

I really believe the social upheavals of the last century are still reverberating. It a huge social change to go from a primarily agrarian/rural norm where large families were economic boons and most jobs were muscle/sweat based to a modern urban lifestyle where kids are expenses, not assets (financially) and most jobs, even so called menial ones, are not based on muscle power.

These are often overlooked factors in the gender/job discussions. I know it is accepted that men "ruled" women and kept them down through history until women got fed up and began fighting in the 60s and 70s, but accepted isn't always right. The truth is that effective and available birth control, along with mechanization set the stage. Society (yes, men and women) was slow to change as it always is. People tend to expect and pursue a family structure similar to what they experienced. It took generations after large families had mostly lost their advantage before people even tried to limit the number of children. It also took a long time after it was neccessary to get used to women working outside the home.

We've been struggling to make adjustments to these things. There isn't a blueprint for social change (and really, no coherent or widely agreed upon paths). I firmly believe that women need and deserve opportunities to enter every professional field. More than that, they have needed (and still need in too many fields) affirmative action to break into traditionally male areas.

However, we also tend to try to fix things that are fixed (or well on their way to being fixed). For instance, we noticed that men dominated higher education and got more college degrees. By the time we launched programs to encourage women academically, women were already beginning to dominate in schools and colleges.

We forget that telling a senior in high school "OK, now young women can get engineering degrees" is pretty pointless if she spent her entire 12 years until then believing that marriage or maybe the steno pool were her choices. Telling a 1st grader the same information can make a huge difference, but of course, you won't know that for 12 years.

[MilesColtrane]

118. I, for one, welcome our new distaff overlords.

Guy Garcia sounds like he's still pissed that he didn't get a date to the prom.

[LanternWaste]

125. you beat me to it... n/t

you beat me to it...

[LanternWaste]

124. I for one, welcome...

I for one, welcome our new female overlords.

And as long as I may still pretend to know where I'm going and attempt to get there without asking for directions, I shall remain content, somewhat befuddled and happy.

[trackfan]

139. The plot, hatched 36 years ago, to transfer the burden of work from men to women,

has turned the corner towards ultimate success!

[redqueen]

140. So... women didn't do any work until 36 years ago?

[trackfan]

144. That's just when the plot was hatched.

Ikid.

[imdjh]

149. He meant brain work.

[redqueen]

153. Go stir shit elsewhere.

[imdjh]

154. Your wish is my command, my queen.

[dugaresa]

156. soon we will have all men wearing speedos, thigh high boots and collars!

[Jamastiene]

178. Why the sarcasm?

Didn't you get the memo? That's REALLY our master plan.

[Algorem]

168. easier to drink my beer with woman on top

burp.

[Skittles]

174. scheduling Algorem to have his ass kicked

I'll be on top

[Jamastiene]

179. Pfft!

Like we are SUCH a threat to his little manhood.