all of you who hate the dems and Obama and are planning to campain against them will give us Palin

[greenbriar]

huckabee or thompson, or jebby or pawlenty or jindhal or someone else like that



Just calm down

[ProleNoMore]

1. Don't Hate Dems - Just DLCers and Blue Dogs That Have Forgotten the Party Platform

eom

[Donnachaidh]

2. oh BALONEY

Drag out that dead horse, to marginalize people's outrage about being screwed YET AGAIN by the party they support.

As bad as the pukes.....

[greenbriar]

4. I wasn't screwed and yes I am a woman

This is progress


no one got screwed

[Donnachaidh]

6. you have no idea if that is true or not

but hey -- if the pom poms smell THAT good go ahead and get high off the devotional drag you folks revel in...

[HughMoran]

39. 'pom poms"

Oh, no you di'int!

[woo me with science]

26. Yep.

Eighth grade-quality OP.

[aquart]

3. Honest reaction a problem?

Afraid we'll act in the heat of the moment with elections a year or more away?

You need to stop panicking over commentary.

[greenbriar]

5. I am not the one panicking

but looking at all the "hate" threads and "this is not the change bla bla bla " crap

just wanted to point out the long term effects that could happen




again, I am proud tonight

This is major history

[Desertrose]

8. Yeah, its major history alright.

I don't get how someone can be proud of our politicians screwing over so many Americans yet again.

[LeftyMom]

7. Oh Christ, like we needed another, even stupider thread about this.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. With even more hateful comments

[woo me with science]

29. Oh, please.

It would have been a vacuous reply to an existing thread. You can't possibly believe that that inane little burp warranted its own OP.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. Actually yes I do

[AllentownJake]

9. I'm sure in 2010

if we lose seats the liberals will all be blamed...again.

Why is it the people who have the least power in the party are always the one the party blames whenever they fuck-up.

[dana_b]

15. "sit down and shut up"

"bunch of whiners" "purists and enemies of the good". "It's your fault we lost in 2000". "It will be your fault if we lose in 2012".

"now go get us the votes".

getting pretty tired of this crap.

[truedelphi]

10. If every one always votes for the lesser of the two evils

If everyone always refuses to examine the best of choices before them, convinced that one must surrender before one has even started...

If everyone somehow believes it far better to "shut the F" up rather than to engage in real discussion

If everyone always mis-understands that the purpose of life is to put one's best ideas forward, and to support those who will help us do that,

Then we will indeed have Palin or Huckabee or some other goon.

[newspeak]

38. It seems to me,

what I see is the "good" cop and "bad" cop scenario. Are we in our "good" cop mode now?

And I love the fearmongering. If you don't get behind candidate A, bad old loony candidate B is gonna win. And, unfortunately for us, that's about all we have is candidate A and B. But don't worry the MSM is right there to help you decide who you really want. I mean after a candidate spends millions for PR-as they help groom them-what's it gonna be? How about the good ol' boy cowboy, yeah that's the ticket. Now, just make that drawling a little twangier, buy that ranch and really give'em that "dumb as bricks", "I'm one of you" acts and it's in the bag. With the help with our talking heads, we can make that dirt on ya go away. We'll just have them repeat over and over again how the people just love to have a beer with you, not with that stiff necked other guy.

And, it works every time. So, excuse me if I don't fear. Studs Terkel once said that he still had faith in the American people. Sixty-two percent of the people are for the public option. How many people are against these costly, bloody wars? Let's face it, K street doesn't listen to us anymore, they listen to those with the most moolah, and it isn't us.

[truedelphi]

47. i am convince dthat Obama made a deal. SOemtime in Oct 2008? Right before they

Picked Palin to be McCain's VP.

I know many who were in the Republican party and stayed home election day because they would not vote Dem, but they hated PAlin.

As long as Obama does as they ask, he won't have to drive past Dealey Plaza, and he won't have to worry about any one but Palin in 2012. if he becomes someone actively for We the People, on issues from torture procsecutions, Doing the right thing about the economy abnd sacking Kissinger/Geithner? Bernanke/Goldman Sachs, also Telephone Spying, Health Care, and stopping the endles wars, the Powers that Be will actually have a Republican candidate supported by the Republicans come out and make 2012 a contest.

Currently few in America consider themselves to be Republican, and only 27% OF THEM like Sarah.

[Fading Captain]

11. The Democratic Party isn't ENTITLED to my vote

If they want to be the Corporate-lite party, then yeah, you bet we're going to lose in 2010 and 2012.

And it wouldn't bother me that much.

You get the government you deserve. And as long as people who DEMAND real health reform settle for this shit, then you can expect a lot of disenchanted voters.

[teacher gal]

12. Frankly, it isn't much of a choice. n/t

[cynatnite]

13. Choosing between Obama and Sarah "I can see Russia from my house" Palin would be tough...

[951-Riverside]

14. Palin will win the nomination thanks to people just like /you/

Some of your minds are so wrapped up in political ideology that you cannot see right vs. wrong, its always left vs. right. This is why incompetent buffoons like John McCain, George W. Bush and Sarah Palin can get elected because because people just like yourself refuse to question, evaluate and investigate who you're voting for.


DU:
Anything Democratic = Good
Anything Republican = Bad

FR:
Anything Republican = Good
Anything Democratic = Bad

When a large chunk of the voting public thinks this way everyone loses. Don't be a sheep, question what your "leaders" are doing.

[newspeak]

44. actually, I thought that now days

it's more like the illogical, looney so far riiiiggghhht and the center right. Do you see any liberals in congress? I mean there is Bernie Sanders, but he's an acclaimed democratic socialist-not in the Democratic Party. There is Dennis Kucinich, but seeing all of these flame threads on him because he has read the bill and thinks he's doing the right thing-well, I guess he could be considered liberal since he has on more than one occasion gone against corporate interest. Well, I guess there are a few who could be considered liberals-but not very many.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. All of you who can't listen to justified criticism, just stop the hyperbowl.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Amen

Couldn't agree more.

Maybe because we live in red state hell, we see this as a very potential reality.

[mmonk]

19. I was wondering when I would hear a straw dog bark.

[Le Taz Hot]

20. I didn't leave the Democratic Party.

They left me.


COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!

[TicketyBoo]

25. Oh, my.

Well, the party itself is the lesser of two evils.

Dad always said, "They're all a bunch of crooks, but it seems like the little guy always does a little bit better when the Democrats are in office."

Now, this was back in the 60s, but not much has changed.

They ALL are so bought-and-paid for, so once you see that, you can try to get past the cynicism and get down to doing something productive. I doubt that leaving the Democratic Party will accomplish that. If Dad saw it more than 40 years ago and things haven't changed (in fact, have probably become much worse), then it's hard to see much hope for change now. Unless we can get real finance reform, nothing will change. Political ads on TV should be outlawed, as a beginning. How many billions are spent on campaigns every two years? That is money that could go toward actually accomplishing something productive. Instead, it is money that simply evaporates.

[Le Taz Hot]

31. I left in 2004

after the DLC Dems shoved Kerry down our throats. Kerry, who then managed to lose to the worst. president. ever. Now THAT takes talent! I resigned all my Chairs (4) within the local Democratic Party, I resigned my Trusteeship to the party office and my membership to the California Democratic Party Executive Board. Up until then, I'd been a VERY active member of the Democratic Party since 1968. When you've put in 36 years of political activism, THEN you can tell me to "do something productive." And just for the record, I do plenty. Whoring for the Democratic Party just isn't one of them anymore. And, btw, voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. I choose not to settle for crumbs but work for REAL reform. Enjoy your crumbs.

[TicketyBoo]

33. When crumbs are all you get,

sometimes you have to make do.

[dysfunctional press]

21. good.

apparently, things are going to have to get a lot worse, before people will have the gumption to insist on something better.

[HughMoran]

40. We said that for 8 years under Bush

It's never going to be bad enough for the likes of you. Plus, you posted racist stuff in that other thread and I forgot to put you on ignore - so now's the time.

[depakid]

22. Heard this sort of hogwash for years and years

And always from the same shallow sorts who still to this day don't grasp why Bush got close enough to steal the election.

Quite frankly, people who think like this are the biggest source of the problems that have plagued the United States.

[HipChick]

23. If there were enough people to put Bush in twice, don't under estimate

stupid people in this country - I stand by President Obama no matter what - I'm female, and have been unemployed since last several times in the last couple of years...

[tabbycat31]

24. look what happened in NJ and VA

the base has to stand by their party when it counts the most. We can speak from personal experiences.

[Bonn1997]

27. I haven't heard anyone say they hate our President! Being critical is not the same as hating. I

think you're going overboard.

[HughMoran]

43. If a person hits you on the head with a hammer several times a day

...and never once apologizes or says anything positive about you, would that person be described as someone who likes you or hates you?

[leeroysphitz]

28. Maybe but if it makes dems think twice before they take us for granted it will be worth it.

It's time to make tough choices. I plan to primary every one I get to vote for.
Flame me if you want but I want better government and I know I'll never get it if my leaders care more about what health insurance industry lobbyists want then what my family needs.

[Horse with no Name]

30. Unlike Congress, my vote isn't for sale

I'll keep my money in my pocket and wait on something else.
With a Democratic POTUS and Congress, CIVIL RIGHTS have been lost or not restored.
No thanks.
It REALLY doesn't matter WHO sits in those offices until we stop the cashflow INTO DC.
They ARE all the same.
They really are.

[bigwillq]

41. Indeed.

[Individualist]

32. That meme is as stale as it is asinine.

[tabasco]

34. That's what they want. n/t

[Name removed]

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[adamuu]

37. Well said.

What did NY-23 teach us?

[noamnety]

42. You forgot to add to your OP:

The gays cost us the election when they got uppity about demanding equal rights.

[greenbriar]

45. oh yea, that is so me ,,, NOT

there is just no reasoning I guess


so I am not going to try


I am just going to be happy that something is getting done and be happy with my president

[noamnety]

46. hmm, I read it as

the women who are getting all uppity about their rights being treated as expendable are going to cost us the next election.

maybe you meant the people who are all uppity about politicians writing laws that mandate payments to for-profit corporations are going to cost us the next election?

No matter, I'm sure it will be some group of liberals besides the politicians themselves and their shitty compromises that will get blamed.