God Bless you Dennis

You were a voice in reason today in a sea of insanity.

if only we had 435 more like him. Or even 218 more like him, we would have passed a REAL reform bill tonight.

Just remember that Dennis spelled backwards is "sinned".

Good one

"Centrists" wussies here.

A giant picture of Kuchi is not such a good thing.

Very unbecoming IMO.

some women like that.

No different than any other gold digger.

so you know her! you sat down and had a chat with her? how cool!!

She is wonderful, sweet, intelligent woman.

Guess she's digging for something that doesn't exist.

Would you also say that about Michelle Obama?

for unintentional DUzys.

Wow.

you couldn't be more wrong, and you should apologize.

Its interesting when inner ugliness rears its head. Unfortunate in a way though, because its hard to look at people the same after that.

What a condescending thing to say. She happens to be a very intelligent and accomplished person in her own right and, obviously, found qualities in Dennis that made her want to spend her life with him.

with the same amount of intellectual acumen and knowledge of how it will work for the poor, as well. You attribute nefarious principles to a woman you don't even know, I doubt have ever spoken ot.

She is attracted to a man who has principles. I think you are projecting. After all those who are willing to support the party in power, probably do it because they are powerful.

In the past year, Kucinich lost two brothers and his beautiful sister. Even in the middle of what must have been incredible grief, he continued to fight for what Democrats voted this party into power for. He fought for a universal health care system like every other civilized nation.

It is sickening to see the so-called 'left' cave to every bush-like policy simply because it is their party doing it.

K&R for a man of principle and his wife, who I assume is as lovely on the inside as she is on the outside.

You should wash your mind out with soap.

Both times.

when a man acts like a man, and has principles, and doesnt sell out like a cheap whore to the highest bidder, women love it.
Unfortunately many dems (dinos) sell out to the highest bidder, like cheap hookers.

Three must be the charm, eh?


If he was a Repuke, people would be bashing him for that, but DK gets a pass.

or any other bill?

I have no idea why he broke up with those women so if you're inferring that he has no principles because he got divorced, then I guess a lot of us here have no principles!

She loves him for his courage and his principles.

I doubt that she would be with him if he was some bum on the street.

Very similar to hotties that date rich guys with ugly mugs.

If you knew the first thing about them you would know how ridiculous that is.

RL

I've seen a lot of useless comments on DU, but this may top them all.

Congratulations.

pretty, are just empty-headed bimbos who don't know any better. Seeing how there appears to be a small consensus on this 'democratic' board in support of that view of women, I thought I better include that tag.


Do you know this woman btw?

Fuck him. Fuck the other 38 who voted the Teabagger party line.

So I guess the President is a Tea Bagger on that issue.

and it is more in line with the President than Dennis's posisition

Their beef is with him.

hay from this monstrous mess of legislation, which will assure a failed "public option" (in quotes, obviously, because it's not), endless bureaucracy and admin costs - just grist for their mill. I can't understand how anyone who can say "fuck dennis" and compare him to teabaggers can call him/herself a progressive of any stripe.

Have you read his reasons for not voting for the bill? Read that and tell me again that he sided with the teabaggers.

Tea baggers are crying about socialized health care. Dennis voted no because this bill isn't socialized health care, its corporate profiteering mandated against the people under threat of prison.

Dennis is futher from the tea baggers than Obama.

regarded as feeble-minded and intolerant assholes? "My way or the highway".

GAG!

Keep on keeping on Dennis!

n/t

He is a blue dog by another name.

not waiting until perfection happens.
DK is fine to vote against the bill, he and the blue dogs who voted against it can do what they want. But some of us can't sit around and wait another 15 years while something as simple as preexisting conditions are addressed.

The real world - your world - is out there. Much as I admire him, Dennis is sometimes wrong.

Tonight, he was wrong. All the best to you, and best of luck.

It is a start. DK is not someone I hate, or even dislike. I respect his principles but also think he is setting back what he wants to actually accomplish by siding with the blue dogs and Rethugs.

I don't want any escalation and want us to actually get out of there. But I dislike and hate neither of them.

despite what some on here would think.

a certain politician it is not always hatred driving us. Sometimes it may be but many times we simply have different views.

when they are well reasoned and from the heart..not when they are from bile....

You are one of the good posters on here.

You too.

DK is extremely progressive.

Dennis co-crafted HR676 - the expansion of Medicare. Only a fucktard would equate that with Blue Dogs or Tea Baggers or Republicans. It's so fucking stupid you'd have to suspect some intellectual compromise to assert it.

House Resolution (H.R.) 676
The United States National Health Insurance Act
(“Expanded & Improved Medicare for ALL”)

http://www.hr676.org/12.html

A silly Pyhrrhic move that is of no strategic or tactical benefit.

Whoever the hell was the genius to include a prison sentence in this bill deserves their ire when the ads are run in 2010. Thank God, I won't be knocking on doors for an incumbent in 2010.

Can't oppose the bill on actual facts, huh?

what you, and they, have not added are the 30 million who have not been able to visit a doctor because of a fear of or defined by a "preexisting condition" either real, imagined or possible.

In my case nobody in my family has been able to see a doctor in 10 years, and their are tens of millions of people who will wake up when this bill has passed and for the first time not be afraid to see a doctor.

Even though a bill without the Public Option would still have been a significant improvement for me I would have opposed it, even if it meant that somebody in my family suffered from a life endangering disease.

A Public Option means that we have our wedge and that it is now a matter of time before it is expanded, single payer becomes a state option and eventually state by state the country is transformed to single payer.

But Dennis Kucinich is much more interested in his own self promotion of purity on a bill that could never pass than getting something that brings immediate relief and opens the door for a real path to single payer.


Senator Kennedy was for this bill
Governor Dean is for this bill
Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders is for this bill

and so on . . .


But Dennis Kucinich finds himself much more sanctified than these three great men on the left.


Kucinich is the Prince of the Pyrrhic Victory.

I think the heart of your post defines him though.

Those that think this "reform" will ever be revisited in the future.

Suckers.

And? Doesn't change anything. Like I said...delusional. Thrilled to death to settle for crap that we shouldn't have to.

really.

Wonder how long before we get it?


Most likely, never.

and knock on doors to defend the majority when the ads are run talking about the idiotic prison provision in this bill.

and when I am, I'm usually writing to the media, to the WH, and to congress.

is like pissing in the wind. Elections are won on the ground.

Please, try not to be so righteous, while trying to put me down.

or bully them because they disagree.

sometimes I fail.

Now that I have posted my thoughts on DK,
in a way that is allowed at this forum....
I thank you for allowing me to do so.
Thank you, sir.

the same as the President...are they the same?

Strawman bullshit.

How long would be OK for Kucinich?

How much more progressive would this legislation be when we ALREADY have a (D) in the WH and Dem majorities in both houses, and it still barely passed the House?

Tell me you could lose one of those branches to the Repubs and we'd get a more progressive bill.

How many years can Kucinich afford to wait to get this off the ground until HE'S happy with the legislation versus someone uninsured? I guess he has all the time in the world because he's as well-covered as every other pol on the Hill.

in the wind.

At least sometimes you can deal with the GOPhers. Not so with Dennis.

I don't like the President's stance on Afghanistan but to equate the President with the Republicans is just as silly as equating Dennis to them, because I'm assuming the President's reasoning for the troop increase is a lot different than John Boehner's reason for supporting it.

If he votes with Republicans, he's an enemy of progress... no matter what his reasons are.

I don't believe it is progress.

They, except for one brave soul, voted the way you wanted.


Send a check to Boehner... you and he have the same goals.

to some Democrats and George W. Bush in logic and reasoning.

When do we bomb France?

Dennis voted correctly. As a true progressive, I too would have voted against this give away to the health insurance industry. Besides that, if you think we'll be seeing the Senate give even a passing glance to the house legislation passed last evening, then you really need to get some better glasses. A mandate to purchase a pile of crap isn't exactly going to endear the public to the Democratic Party. America got a POS bill because the conservatives still rule the roost, and progressives - you know, the ones that would really like to give Americans quality health care reform - are criticized by the media and conservative folks such as yourself. When America wakes up and starts to rid themselves of conservatives, and conservatives calling themselves "centrists", and replacing them with Liberals, that is when real change for the better will happen.

Perfect - I couldn't have pointed out your utter hypocrisy any better. Thanks!

happening on this thread. I brought it out of the negative. It was up by at least 5. Now its back down to 0. I wish I could rec again.

I could care less, when all these people are screaming about the commercials in 2010 over certain provisions in this bill, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut.

Don't ever keep your mouth shut, do not keep silent. Sure there may be people screaming in the background while you make your reasoned argument, and you may feel all alone while the multitudes clamor and shout and march in lock step. But always remember, out of those multitudes shouting you down and covering their ears, there will always be...guaranteed...at least one listening.

I'm all ears, AllentownJake.

There are times when a united front is required. I bite my toungue on national issues from August till November.

eom

What we could have had.. compared to what we've sold out for.. please, give me a crumb please oh insurance masters! at least dennis tried to truly stand up for the rights of the people.

THANK YOU Dennis! I have mixed feelings because I think the bill stinks but I'm glad it passed because it's a moral victory. Still I'm also very glad that Kucinich voted his principles.

They voted exactly the same way.


Since you love Dennis' vote, you must love Boehner and Cantor's too.

DK takes far too much shit here.

He has proven before that he will stand firm no matter the consequences.

That used to be thought of as a good thing. We've become so craven and spineless it's sickening.
& R

Who cares if 40,000 die a year, and we wouldn't get another chance to pass anything for 20 years. DK's version of reform is all that matters.

How many people would DK's magical pixie dust bill have saved when no one would vote for it?

is still a sell out to the private insurance industry, similar to the Medicare pharma bull (this was originally I type but it fits so I leave it) passed by the republicans. Is there a benefit in it? Some, but it's still the industry that will profit more.

If we had a whole congress of such men, all people would have healthcare, not be required to buy health insurance.

I salute him for standing on the truth and not selling out his principles.

then why didn't their minions, ie the republicans and conservative dems, vote FOR it?

Or do they not want giveaways? or are they too stupid to know it is a giveaway?

That will exponentially increase their profits. It stops some of their heinous behaviours, those that are most obvious. They have others that are not so obvious. Like I said, there is some benefit, but not nearly what there should be for those who will still find themselves in need. How does someone without a job buy health insurance?

I have health insurance, and on my lowly pay for a not-for-profit, we are over the barrel. No one else but who we have will insure us because we have a smaller group of employees, with some people who actually need to use their coverage. Out of two weeks pay, I take home only one. The other week's pay goes for health insurance for just my husband and myself.

Shit, even AARP was duped into supporting that damn pharma bill.

Dennis realizes the truth - that everyone has a right to be cared for when they need it, not just those who can afford to line the pockets of the insurance industry. It is a human right and everyone deserves the chance to be treated. It's still putting a cost on a human life.

why didn't the insurance co minions vote for the bill if it is a giveaway to them?

The "stupid" Repubs played us bigtime, and won double from both sides of it. You can bet they're high-fiving at their country clubs today.

(edited a spelling error)

this "giveaway" could very well have failed. Why didn't the Rs vote to help their insurance co. masters?

and why are the ins cos spending millions on ads attacking something that is a giveaway to them?

I already answered you - the Rs votes weren't needed. That was easy to foresee b/c the Dems were determined to pass something; and if it was falling short, a few "moderate" Rs could've "changed their minds" to put it over.

And point two, the ads were a) probably already paid for before the Dem sellout; and b) the ads still provide useful cover in eliciting exactly the argument you're making = "oh, PLEASE don't fling me in the briar patch" (wink, wink)

We knew about this bill for at least a week. The companies could have pulled their ads, but I saw the stupid C of C ad at least twice today and multiple times over the past week. Makes sense, because the bill ends rescission, it ends discrimination based on preexisting conditions, among other things. Doesn't sound like a giveaway to me.

The idea that mandates are a giveway presupposes that most of the uninsured are healthy young people (i.e. profitable) who simply choose not to buy health insurance. Most of the uninsured are people who can't afford insurance or who are uninsurable, the very people the insurance companies don't want to deal with. I oppose mandates because I think they are unnecessary--people want insurance, they just can't afford it; if they could afford it, they would get it. As long as there is a public option and subsidies to help people, I can tolerate mandates in HCR though.

In reality, the mandates and other provisions force insurance companies to cover people they don't want to cover, and that's why they oppose this bill.

I'm sorry, the idea that the Rs are opposing a corporate giveaway, that they really support, for show is just ridiculous. And I don't think the insurance companies would spends tons of cash on ads opposing something they secretly support.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/ahip-to-dems...

The Republicans voted no for political reasons. It gives the illusion that they are the opposition party and thus principled and strong.

in a vacuum, most likely, because it reduces the bargaining power of insurance purchasers, while allowing them to reject anyone they don't want. However, with the new restictions and the public option, its not such a sweet deal.

and I think the Rs voted against it because they are against it.

Which, at that time, new restrictions and the public option were already incorporated in the bill.