Anybody who supports this bill is a traitor to the Democratic party.

[Xicano]

But Wall Street thanks you. n/t

[liberalmuse]

1. All or nothing, right?

Fuck that. This is something, and I'll take it until we can make it better. 40 more years of nothing? No thanks.

[JackRiddler]

36. "Something" is not good if it's bad.

Leaving philosophy aside:

Are mandates good?

Is a non-public "public option" available to almost no one good?

[Faygo Kid]

2. Well, thank you for defining how we should think.

Funny thing is, Dems supported it. How could that be, given your statement?

[gateley]

10. OT - What are those orange things on that guy's feet? nt

[Vickers]

16. Crocs©

[gateley]

24. Thanks -- I just couldn't make it out on my monitor. Couldn't tell if I was looking

at happy-colored matching shoes and socks, or rubber galoshes-type things.

[Faygo Kid]

17. When you're one of the great chefs ever, you get to wear weird shoes.

I think Mario Batali is homely and beautiful at the same time, but make no mistake: The man can cook.

[gateley]

21. With matching socks, apparently.

I'm not familiar with him, but I have no doubt you're correct -- thanks!

[JackRiddler]

37. Funny thing is, some Democrats opposed it.

The "traitor rhetoric" is a response-in-kind to those who are now calling for Kucinich to be hanged.

[mullard12ax7]

3. Please report to cheer leader central and drink the "refreshment" being served

When you get sick remember, you didn't fall into the category of people who deserve health care.

[geek tragedy]

12. 99% of REAL Democrats disagree.

I hear Ralph Nader is looking for whiny narcissists to support him, though.

[geek tragedy]

13. This was meant to be directed to the OP. nt

[Atticus]

29. So now the "Please let us pass something we can call Health Care Reform" folks are the

"Real Democrats", eh?

Step back---I'm gonna hurl.

[geek tragedy]

30. It was the Blue Dogs voting no.

Nice company you keep--it was the very worst of the Democratic party voting no.

[Atticus]

34. Feelings are raw, but you attitude is not appreciated or helpful.

Some would say that all who voted for Stupak were "the very worst". This was not true, and neither is it true that ONLY Blue Dogs had a problem with this bill.

I am tempted, at times, to call for the purge of all like you from "my" party. But, I don't. We need each other and EITHER of us would govern better than the GOP.

Peace.

[cynatnite]

4. Fuck you. I'm not a traiter because I want this for my kids and grandkids. n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

5. we need to get something passed. It can be amended under reconciliation once it is on the books

but just walking away from getting anything done isn't an acceptable option.



BYW I favor single payer so I gave up on getting the bill I wanted quite a while ago.

[LatteLibertine]

6. And the Republicans thank you

[951-Riverside]

7. NO! This bill is great 'cause our party voted for it

Remember Xicano, don't think with reason always think along party lines.

DU:
Anything Democratic = Good
Anything Republican = Bad

FR:
Anything Republican = Good
Anything Democratic = Bad

How the hell can the people win when a large chunk of the voting public think this way?

[Xicano]

25. Exactly 951-Riverside.

Also using their logic: Iraq = Good because Democrats voted for it and continued to vote for the funding of it.

Sadly, I know that all those who think this is reform are going to be crying down the road. They still have learning to do when it comes to Wall Street. Too bad they are allowing themselves to be duped yet again.

You know 951-Riverside its funny, in a sad way, to see these folks agree with people like George Carlin when he talks about the relationship between Dems & Repubs with Wall Street and calls it the Big Club. The big club that all of us are not in, and the big club they hit us over the head with. But then, as you pointed out, they cheer when they get hit over the head with the big club.



Peace,
Xicano

[NoUsername]

32. Yep.

"Sadly, I know that all those who think this is reform are going to be crying down the road."

I'm waiting for the posts that will pop up in 6 months or so from the supporters of this bill whining about how their health insurance premiums have skyrocketed.

But in the meantime, I'm waiting for a "Thank gawd it passed!" thread. You know it's coming.

[LostInAnomie]

8. Are the whiners really that stupid to believe that the status quo is better?

Because any way you slice it, that is what they are arguing for.

[dflprincess]

27. This bill reenforces the status quo

if it didn't it would have allowed the states to find their own solutions to the mess. Instead, we'll all be stuck buying shoddy products from the same crooks who have been robbing us blind for years and still trying to figure out how to come up with the cash for our deductibles so we can actually get care.

[JackRiddler]

39. The only "whiners" here are those whining about whiners.

[lumberjack_jeff]

9. Looks like you're outvoted. n/t

[geek tragedy]

11. Dumbest post of the year. nt

[Ardent15]

14. Because clearly you are in charge of deciding what the Democratic Party...

..stands for.

[DainBramaged]

15. Boy, I guess the trolls have nothing left to live for

[Enrique]

18. so the Blue Dogs are the only loyal dems?

[downeyr]

19. Wow, it's great to see even in the left-leaning, liberal-thinking party

that we are still offered ultimatums and reasoning in black and white. I just remembered why I consider myself a liberal and not a Democrat.

[grytpype]

20. Get lost.

[TomCADem]

22. So, The Republicans Are The New Democrats?

Perhaps you ought to check out Free Republic.

[RoyGBiv]

23. Wrong

[DeltaLitProf]

26. Would you like to be specific?

Or are you just going to belch out a bumper sticker and duck?

[PopSixSquish]

28. Oh, Get the Hell Over Yourself

[blogslut]

31. Wanna play Hyperbowl?

John Boenher is your quarterback.

[placton]

33. truth, my friend

one rec here - god what an abortion

[kenny blankenship]

35. The Democratic Party you remember, the Party that supported Democratic constituencies, is dead& gone

The party that passed this bill, the New Democratic Party, caters to Republican constituencies. They aren't traitors, they just have very different loyalties and they pass, as you've seen, very different legislation. They are loyal to themselves and you may as well get used to it, because like cancer they are here to stay.

[Greyhound]

38. Yes, the suckers are all so happy today.

Tomorrow they'll wake up and see her in the harsh light of day...