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Dennis Kucinich: Why I voted no on 3962 - A BAILOUT UNDER A BLUE CROSS

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Dennis Kucinich: Why I voted no on 3962 - A BAILOUT UNDER A BLUE CROSS
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 11:30 PM by debbierlus
Thank you Dennis. I agree with every last word.

After voting against H.R. 3962 - Affordable Health Care for America Act, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today made the following statement:


“We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.


“Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care. Because their massive bureaucracy avoids paying bills so effectively, they force hospitals and doctors to hire their own bureaucracy to fight the insurance companies to avoid getting stuck with an unfair share of the bills. The result is that since 1970, the number of physicians has increased by less than 200% while the number of administrators has increased by 3000%. It is no wonder that 31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. is health insurance policies that do not cover you when you get sick.


“But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies — a bailout under a blue cross.


“By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress’ blog, Think Progress, states “since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.” Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that “money will start flowing in again” to health insurance stocks after passage of the legislation. Investors.com last month reported that pharmacy benefit managers share prices are hitting all-time highs, with the only industry worry that the Administration would reverse its decision not to negotiate Medicare Part D drug prices, leaving in place a Bush Administration policy.


“During the debate, when the interests of insurance companies would have been effectively challenged, that challenge was turned back. The “robust public option” which would have offered a modicum of competition to a monopolistic industry was whittled down from an initial potential enrollment of 129 million Americans to 6 million. An amendment which would have protected the rights of states to pursue single-payer health care was stripped from the bill at the request of the Administration. Looking ahead, we cringe at the prospect of even greater favors for insurance companies.


“Recent rises in unemployment indicate a widening separation between the finance economy and the real economy. The finance economy considers the health of Wall Street, rising corporate profits, and banks’ hoarding of cash, much of it from taxpayers, as sign of an economic recovery. However in the real economy -- in which most Americans live -- the recession is not over. Rising unemployment, business failures, bankruptcies and foreclosures are still hammering Main Street.


“This health care bill continues the redistribution of wealth to Wall Street at the expense of America’s manufacturing and service economies which suffer from costs other countries do not have to bear, especially the cost of health care. America continues to stand out among all industrialized nations for its privatized health care system. As a result, we are less competitive in steel, automotive, aerospace and shipping while other countries subsidize their exports in these areas through socializing the cost of health care.


“Notwithstanding the fate of H.R. 3962, America will someday come to recognize the broad social and economic benefits of a not-for-profit, single-payer health care system, which is good for the American people and good for America’s businesses, with of course the notable exceptions being insurance and pharmaceuticals.”


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   .  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:29 PM   #1 
   I have a feeling  buchols   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   # 
   I don't know about that. Dennis is a stand up guy. He  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:35 AM   #317 
   + 10. n/t  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 03:48 PM   #405 
   This may be true of folks like Hillery, who did the same on the  ooglymoogly   Nov-08-09 01:50 PM   #361 
      ONCE again DK posts hit the top of the list, proving that the naysayers are out of step  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 03:48 PM   #404 
      It's getting to the point that DK is the only congress person I trust. ...K&R  Just-plain-Kathy   Nov-08-09 09:48 PM   #485 
         To do what,  billh58   Nov-09-09 01:06 PM   #507 
      sorry wrong place  ooglymoogly   Nov-09-09 01:50 PM   #509 
   cannot argue with what DK says n/t  kaehele   Nov-08-09 02:01 PM   #371 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-09 02:26 PM   #380 
   For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!!  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 08:48 PM   #472 
   For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!!  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 08:48 PM   #473 
   For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!!  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 08:49 PM   #474 
      Posted Three Times in the Hopes of Penetrating the Blind Hatred.  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 08:50 PM   #475 
      Where''d the Huge Moran's Text Go?  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 08:51 PM   #476 
      Your posts seem pretty hateful all by themselves. n/t  Johnboi70   Nov-08-09 09:31 PM   #482 
      More like  billh58   Nov-09-09 12:44 PM   #505 
      HR 676 was  billh58   Nov-09-09 01:55 PM   #511 
   FUCK Dennis Kucinich  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:30 PM   #2 
   Every last word he spoke is the truth...  debbierlus   Nov-07-09 11:32 PM   #9 
   I'll be donating to his primary opponent  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:33 PM   #13 
   Well, I'll double the amount of your donation ...  Maat   Nov-08-09 01:35 AM   #183 
   Me too and will use my email list to get as many others as I can  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 02:38 AM   #202 
   So will I.  DemBones DemBones   Nov-08-09 05:58 AM   #235 
   Dennis is the ONLY Congressman I donated to last year.  Dr.Phool   Nov-08-09 06:50 AM   #241 
   +1 nt  ooglymoogly   Nov-08-09 01:56 PM   #367 
   +1 nt  ooglymoogly   Nov-08-09 01:55 PM   #365 
   I have already donated and will continue to do so  spiritual_gunfighter   Nov-08-09 10:28 AM   #293 
   I will gladly continue to support Dennis because he repeatedly stands up to corporate interest  mod mom   Nov-08-09 10:55 AM   #300 
   And may I ask  billh58   Nov-09-09 01:42 PM   #508 
   ...and what is the Democrat's game?  Loge23   Nov-08-09 11:49 AM   #323 
   +1 nt  ooglymoogly   Nov-08-09 01:57 PM   #368 
   Wouldn't you be doing that anyway?n/t  Cleita   Nov-08-09 01:54 PM   #363 
   I'm guessing he'd usually be donating to his opponent in the general  jgraz   Nov-08-09 10:40 PM   #495 
   I'd say its more like nothing or nothing; Which shell is the pea  ooglymoogly   Nov-08-09 06:19 PM   #448 
   Wow... who can argue with such a well composed and logical train of "thought"  liberation   Nov-08-09 06:47 PM   #453 
   I'll be donating to Dennis. nt  Enthusiast   Nov-08-09 07:49 PM   #462 
   Uh huh. Sure you will.  tblue   Nov-08-09 08:56 PM   #477 
   And that would be a "right-to-life" "centrist" Democrat who will vote with Republicans?  Better Believe It   Nov-08-09 10:21 PM   #489 
   All or nothing is definitely a Republican game  jgraz   Nov-08-09 10:37 PM   #493 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   #18 
   Treating fellow Progressives like this is boorish and adolescent  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 02:16 AM   #195 
      Not to mention counterproductive.  tblue   Nov-08-09 09:00 PM   #479 
   Tell it like it is debbierlus  Xicano   Nov-07-09 11:44 PM   #50 
   Indeed debbierlus - yet watch the haters pile on  slay   Nov-08-09 01:56 AM   #186 
   Amen  debbierlus   Nov-08-09 10:50 PM   #498 
   It may be the truth, but he's not getting anything accomplished n/t  tonysam   Nov-08-09 03:28 PM   #398 
   No, the Democrats who voted for this stupid bill are getting nothing accomplished.  provis99   Nov-08-09 05:58 PM   #444 
   Totally agree. But we are officially a society that cannot think straight.  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 03:53 PM   #411 
   I despise that grandstanding little shit. He's our Michelle Bachman.  grytpype   Nov-07-09 11:32 PM   #11 
   He's jumped the shark this time  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:24 AM   #141 
   any more?  Truth2Tell   Nov-08-09 01:14 AM   #179 
   I stand with Dennis Kucinich.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:29 AM   #312 
   If you want to spend your time hating, that's your decision.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:19 AM   # 
   I tend to agree with that analogy  Zambero   Nov-08-09 10:25 PM   #491 
   Better a traitor to the party than a traitor to the people.  saracat   Nov-07-09 11:32 PM   #12 
   He's a traitor to the people to  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:34 PM   #15 
   NO actually the fighters like Dennis is the only reason there is ANY reform.  robinlynne   Nov-07-09 11:54 PM   #76 
   BULLSHIT  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:04 AM   #105 
      Agreed  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:06 AM   #109 
      Then please ignore me now  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:09 AM   #261 
      Start With Me! I Don't Have a Taste For Sell-Out, Pussy-Ass Democrats Anymore.  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 11:43 AM   #321 
      Aww, gee. Guess i wll miss your other posts, they are often quite funny.  dixiegrrrrl   Nov-08-09 01:26 PM   #355 
      Put me on your fecal register.  RoccoR5955   Nov-08-09 03:53 PM   #408 
      I'm too late to be the first, but please add me to the list of Kucinich supporters  Jim Lane   Nov-08-09 04:25 PM   #419 
      Please, put me on your list - thank you. n/t  kiva   Nov-08-09 04:54 PM   #426 
      I don't post that often, but...  proReality   Nov-08-09 05:34 PM   #433 
      Add me to your list. I stand with Kucinich. (nt)  scarletwoman   Nov-08-09 05:56 PM   #442 
      Me, too. Buh bye!!!  tblue   Nov-08-09 09:02 PM   #480 
      Zero credibility, I see your fellow whiner agrees. Big surprise there.  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 02:58 AM   #211 
      AMEN  bjb   Nov-08-09 02:48 PM   #387 
   If you think this bill will actually help, you are delusional.  alarimer   Nov-08-09 09:11 AM   #262 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 11:44 PM   #47 
   You actually might be more COMFORTABLE  Horse with no Name   Nov-07-09 11:57 PM   #91 
      Progress is getting healthcare reform passed  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:01 AM   #99 
         40 years of progressivity and all you got is that photo of Saint Teddy.  Algorem   Nov-08-09 12:54 AM   #172 
         + 1  troubledamerican   Nov-08-09 03:49 AM   #221 
         Take some geritol grandpa and relax a bit  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 06:02 AM   #237 
         A "true" liberal is a person with the ideals and beliefs of an................  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 07:59 AM   #250 
         It Sure as Hell Doesn't Mean Sucking Corporate Dick and Calling it Progress!  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 08:42 PM   #470 
         putting lipstick on a pig named Healthcare Reform doesn't make it  nosmokes   Nov-08-09 10:46 PM   #497 
   To betray the Party is usually to betray the people.  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:44 PM   #49 
   that's just it.  rapturedbyrobots   Nov-08-09 12:55 PM   #345 
      The public option is too weak to be very relevant. But there are other useful parts of the bill.  Unvanguard   Nov-08-09 04:00 PM   #416 
         again...  rapturedbyrobots   Nov-08-09 07:46 PM   #461 
   Yes. This isn't about the party.  Kitty Herder   Nov-08-09 04:43 AM   #230 
   yup...  winyanstaz   Nov-08-09 04:29 PM   #421 
   Dennis votes on principle  Extend a Hand   Nov-07-09 11:36 PM   #25 
   Dennis votes like a Republican and claims principle  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:38 PM   #29 
   Say WHAT?!?! Don't tell me you're a Blue Dog fan!  Roland99   Nov-07-09 11:40 PM   #35 
   I'd take any Blue Dog on the hill over Kucinich  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:43 PM   #42 
      So, you're ok with a public option that isn't very public?  Roland99   Nov-07-09 11:44 PM   #48 
      After over a century of talk, we finally get a bill passed in the House  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:52 PM   #71 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-09 12:08 AM   #117 
      The last resort of one who has no argument  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:15 AM   #131 
         You have the audacity to mention DU rules?  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 02:10 AM   #190 
         I violated nto a single rule of DU. n/t  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 11:34 AM   #314 
            Reread the rules, Einstein.  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 02:17 PM   #378 
               Just reread for about the hundredth thime  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 04:55 PM   #427 
                  I question your comprehension skill  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 05:13 PM   #430 
                     My comments regarding Kucinich are nicer than those directed at Stupak  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 05:40 PM   #437 
                        This response does not apply to my comments  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 06:20 PM   #449 
                           Yes, it did. n/t  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 07:19 PM   #456 
                              Well, then an example of genuine irrelevance  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 07:34 PM   #459 
                                 I consider the two IDENTICAL  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 07:36 PM   #460 
                                 Then willfully stupid it is  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 07:50 PM   #463 
                                 Apparently, you are.  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 07:53 PM   #464 
                                 DK was the only dem that pointed out the absurdity in this bill.  CLANG   Nov-08-09 09:31 PM   #483 
                                 The only absurdity near this bill  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 10:10 PM   #486 
                                 Proved my point unequivocally.  Mithreal   Nov-10-09 03:57 AM   #514 
         The irony overfloweth  tavalon   Nov-08-09 04:40 AM   #228 
            Kind of a joke posting that  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 10:50 AM   #299 
            Primaries are sacrosanct  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 11:35 AM   #316 
      Well that's great. You get shit, and declare fucking victory...................  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 08:13 AM   #252 
      Oh, poor baby. Did dennis get you all upset? Watch your blood pressure or  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:13 AM   #302 
      oh, nice - that's classy  harmonicon   Nov-08-09 12:09 PM   #333 
      a bill that kicks the tax payers in the teeth, is a give away to insurance companies..  winyanstaz   Nov-08-09 04:27 PM   #420 
      It is also not optional  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:15 AM   #263 
      So the Stupack voing dems were fine with you?  saracat   Nov-08-09 12:00 AM   #98 
      The ones that voted yes on the final bill? YES!  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:06 AM   #108 
         The ones that voted for Stupak.  saracat   Nov-08-09 12:07 AM   #113 
         I'll take ANY Dem that voted for both Stupak AND the final Bill  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:11 AM   #122 
            Okay. Just getting clear on that. So now Dems are supporting the  saracat   Nov-08-09 12:20 AM   #138 
               Reality is, the bill would not have passed without Stupak  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:33 AM   #157 
                  So Hyde being permanent is Okay? And private insurance banned from covering abortions under the  saracat   Nov-08-09 12:46 AM   #168 
                  Fighting the Hyde Amendment is a battle for another day. n/t  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 11:25 AM   #309 
                  You are exactly what is wrong with politics.  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 02:54 AM   #210 
                     Oh BULL SHIT!  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 11:27 AM   #311 
                        The old talking points used by the DLCers.  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 02:55 PM   #393 
                           Actually, those are the *current* DLC talking points.  billyoc   Nov-08-09 04:40 PM   #423 
                           Progressives ARE in the mnority  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 04:57 PM   #428 
                              So where was this broad coalition in the passage of this bill?  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 05:27 PM   #432 
                                 The broad coalition was within the Democratic Caucus  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 05:37 PM   #434 
                                 The leadership, if it's worth anything at all, is supposed to be  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 06:33 PM   #452 
                                 +1,000,000  MessiahRp   Nov-08-09 07:54 PM   #465 
         He voted how he said he would all along.  Duncan   Nov-08-09 01:29 PM   #356 
      Yep he sure votes like a Republican  TheCML   Nov-08-09 02:30 AM   #198 
      Well, that explains your anger at Kucinich. You're a Blue Dog  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 02:45 AM   #207 
      You sound like a child throwing a tantrum. You won't make your point like that.  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 06:05 AM   #239 
      Yes you will and you did. Blue Dog = SHITHEAD. Republican Moles - Get the fuck out already.  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 12:00 PM   #327 
      OK, you have just placed yourself on the side of the bought-and-paid-for  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 10:06 AM   #282 
      Ha, ha... That's a Joke Right? Dennis a Republican! No one with a fucking ounce of grey matter would  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 12:03 PM   #329 
   Have any proof of that, Mr Republican? I call you that because............  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 08:07 AM   #251 
   Obama opposes equal civil rights for all  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:21 AM   #264 
   Bite your tongue!  RoccoR5955   Nov-08-09 03:54 PM   #412 
   Like Republican Health Care Plan HR 676 by Conyers and KUCINICH!!!???? Too Stupid to Believe!  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 08:44 PM   #471 
   You left out a lot of his Cleveland history, which is available for anyone to look up  ecstatic   Nov-07-09 11:42 PM   #40 
   Oh, you measn back when he was anti-choice  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:58 PM   #92 
      That and much, much more nt  ecstatic   Nov-07-09 11:59 PM   #95 
      You just tipped your hand with that comment. Obviously a visitor from Free Republic n/t  NorthCarolina   Nov-08-09 10:25 AM   #290 
   And by doing so, he put the city into default, costing the taxpayers  Ikonoklast   Nov-08-09 12:05 PM   #330 
   really deep stuff.  Algorem   Nov-07-09 11:49 PM   #60 
   Your in-depth rebuttal really added to the conversation as well  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:07 AM   #110 
   So when a Democrat actually ACTS like a Democrat, you want to vote him out?  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-07-09 11:51 PM   #65 
   Yeah, because voting with Republicans is Soooooo Democratic  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:54 PM   #81 
   Democrats are NOT supposed to be the party of corporate fellation  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-08-09 12:00 AM   #97 
   So you prefer the stattus quo?  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:12 AM   #125 
      No, I prefer REAL reform  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-08-09 12:14 AM   #130 
         Nope, you prefer the status quo  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:16 AM   #133 
            Don't tell me what I think  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-08-09 12:20 AM   #137 
            You supported voting no on this bill  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:22 AM   #140 
               a few months ago  rapturedbyrobots   Nov-08-09 01:05 PM   #349 
            This bill just reenforces the status quo  dflprincess   Nov-08-09 12:35 AM   #160 
   dems vote with republicans all the time dumbnuts..  frylock   Nov-08-09 02:05 PM   #373 
   Bingo. We don't care what you're voting on...  Ignis   Nov-09-09 02:00 PM   #512 
   Well, if he reads what you just wrote, I doubt he'll want to have sex with you.  Deja Q   Nov-08-09 12:09 AM   #118 
   hah!  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:24 AM   #142 
   Right. Fuck him for putting people over politics.  EFerrari   Nov-08-09 12:17 AM   #135 
   He put his grandstanding selfish little troll self over HIS PARTY  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:26 AM   #144 
      Party over principle?  dflprincess   Nov-08-09 12:33 AM   #158 
      No PRINCIPAL & PARTY as ONE  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:36 AM   #162 
         Not anymore. there were no principle involved in the Stupak Amendment  saracat   Nov-08-09 12:48 AM   #169 
         No partisan is a real patriot  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:25 AM   #266 
         if Kucinich's principles are not those of the party, I wouldn't be a Democratic voter  harmonicon   Nov-08-09 12:16 PM   #334 
      You've convinced me. I'll write out a check to the CEO of Blue Cross right now  brentspeak   Nov-08-09 12:39 AM   #165 
         Hey, I write a check to them every month for over $1200. I am a good  saracat   Nov-08-09 12:54 AM   #173 
            It will get worse  autorank   Nov-08-09 08:14 PM   #469 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-09 12:35 AM   #159 
   Kucinich is a hero; you, on the other hand, are a zero  brentspeak   Nov-08-09 12:35 AM   #161 
   NO-FUCK The Insurance Industry and Corporate America who are the ones that REALLY run this country!  earth mom   Nov-08-09 02:08 AM   #189 
   Flamebaits and acts like a troll? Probably a socalled moderate.  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 02:11 AM   #191 
   Your post just helped me remember to send him some  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 02:36 AM   #201 
   LOL Traitor to the Party? The Party Fucked US AGAIN. LIKE NAFTA  Fading Captain   Nov-08-09 02:40 AM   #203 
   +1  Toucano   Nov-08-09 09:32 AM   #271 
   +2  davidwparker   Nov-08-09 12:01 PM   #328 
   Notice how the fuck-fuck discussion of this subthread completely avoids...  JackRiddler   Nov-08-09 02:43 AM   #205 
   I too have noted and pointed out the degeneration of  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:28 AM   #267 
      It also shows a bullying (if in this case powerless) spirit.  JackRiddler   Nov-08-09 09:31 AM   #270 
         the bully is always powerless  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:39 AM   #273 
   It's a bi-annual tradition and he wins every time. His constituents love him because  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 03:10 AM   #214 
   "Traitor to the party"? Like Trotsky?  murdoch   Nov-08-09 04:43 AM   #229 
   Why do the people that defend the reform bill the hardest always have to insult everyone?  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 05:57 AM   #234 
   They have no points to make and do not know the facts  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:30 AM   #269 
   Yeah! FUCK his traitor ASS -- UUURRRRGGH!!  RadiationTherapy   Nov-08-09 06:58 AM   #242 
   You are so misguided. You must be new  elias7   Nov-08-09 08:42 AM   #254 
   rube  bstender   Nov-08-09 11:48 AM   #322 
   is that Ted Kennedy on your icon?  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 12:46 PM   #343 
   who are you?  lxlxlxl   Nov-08-09 02:41 PM   #382 
   I can't believe the mods have not deleted that post yet.  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 02:48 PM   #386 
   The problem is, this bill is a big step backward  rollingrock   Nov-08-09 02:48 PM   #388 
   Your comment leads me to TRIPLE my donation to Kucinich.  RoccoR5955   Nov-08-09 03:51 PM   #406 
   And may I return that kindly jesture of idiocy  ooglymoogly   Nov-08-09 06:01 PM   #446 
   LOL! Couldn't agree more. I'm sick of the purists fucking this whole thing up  Gman   Nov-08-09 07:29 PM   #458 
   halfWedidit; I suppose having half your wits is better than having none  ooglymoogly   Nov-09-09 01:54 PM   #510 
   As much as I like Dennis that was stupid.  rwheeler31   Nov-07-09 11:30 PM   #3 
   Hear! Hear!  Libertas1776   Nov-07-09 11:30 PM   #4 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 11:32 PM   #10 
      You're entitled to your opinion.  Libertas1776   Nov-07-09 11:34 PM   #16 
   I'm pretty much done defending Dennis Kucinich. I don't like brats and  saltpoint   Nov-07-09 11:31 PM   #5 
   Since we had the votes, I allow him his principles.  aquart   Nov-07-09 11:31 PM   #6 
   isn't asking  rapturedbyrobots   Nov-08-09 01:09 PM   #350 
   Of Course, Ma'am: He Might As Well Be A Republican On Most Important Votes  The Magistrate   Nov-07-09 11:32 PM   #7 
   Absolutely  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:33 PM   # 
   Vttt!  Algorem   Nov-07-09 11:48 PM   #55 
   Allow Me To Repeat, Sir: He Might As Well Be A Republican On Most Important Votes  The Magistrate   Nov-07-09 11:52 PM   #68 
      Vttt! II  Algorem   Nov-07-09 11:54 PM   #77 
      +1000 Sir  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:55 PM   #82 
      been done,send all your monies to the next dino to try.  Algorem   Nov-08-09 12:07 AM   #111 
         By 'DINO', Sir, You Clearly Mean Rep. Kucinich, Who Certainly Does Often Vote With The Republicans  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 12:14 AM   #128 
            Oh good. Then, we can have a total corporate party with no voices of dissent  debbierlus   Nov-08-09 12:26 AM   #146 
            A 'Dino' Is A 'DINO', Ma'am, Whether From the Right Or Left  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 12:30 AM   #151 
            Stop being a Dembot, Sir. This bill helps the insurance companies more than the people.  Bushknew   Nov-08-09 02:13 PM   #376 
               The Bill, Sir, Has Many Flaws, But It Is What We Have Got, And Can Serve As A Start To Better Things  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 02:22 PM   #379 
            Oh come on  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:30 AM   #152 
               Oh the little Trotskyite brigade we have thinks its inspirational.  grantcart   Nov-08-09 02:14 AM   #193 
               Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-09 04:13 AM   #226 
            those high class foods are clogging your brain tubes,your majesty.  Algorem   Nov-08-09 01:24 AM   #181 
               When You Manage To Construct An Argument, Sir, By All Means, Press On And Present It  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 02:13 AM   #192 
                  is it stuffy and dusty in here or is it just you?  Algorem   Nov-08-09 02:48 AM   #209 
                  Still Cannot Fashion An Argument, Eh, Sir?  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 03:09 AM   #213 
                     argue with your ass. you don't even know what a dino is.  Algorem   Nov-09-09 08:58 AM   #504 
                        It Took You All Of Sunday To Come Up With That Junior-High Sputter, Sir?  The Magistrate   Nov-10-09 12:17 PM   #516 
                  Madam you are plain wrong in linking DK to the Republicans  bahrbearian   Nov-08-09 09:08 AM   #260 
                     Rep. Kucinich, Ma'am, Voted With the Republicans On this Crucial Legislative Trial Of Strength  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 02:09 PM   #375 
                     "The Republicans voted No because this bill is doomed to fail."  Turborama   Nov-08-09 09:00 PM   #478 
      +1000 more.  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:59 PM   #94 
      .  Barack_America   Nov-08-09 12:14 AM   #129 
      Vote for it becauses ir;s a Democratic bill  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 01:18 PM   #352 
      You Would Likely Not, Ma'am, Have Much Liked the Democratic Party Long Ago Either....  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 02:16 PM   #377 
         MY Democratic Party  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 05:39 PM   #436 
            You Might, Ma'am, Want To Look Back a Little On Your Own  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 05:47 PM   #440 
               Sure it remains the same  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 08:07 PM   #466 
      That's a BS argument ....  Prana69   Nov-08-09 10:15 PM   #488 
         No, Sir, Unlike Your Imagings of Wholesale Of Child-Rape, It Is A Cogent Argument  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 10:26 PM   #492 
            Confirms it.  Prana69   Nov-08-09 10:42 PM   #496 
               If You Say So, Sir....  The Magistrate   Nov-09-09 01:38 AM   #503 
   EXACTLY! +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1  HamdenRice   Nov-08-09 06:58 AM   #243 
   He voted correctly on some very big issues. He voted against going to war in Iraq.  Selatius   Nov-08-09 07:02 AM   #244 
   So when Obama voted with GOP on Terry Schaivo  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:35 AM   #272 
   Prove it  JetCityLiberal   Nov-08-09 12:29 PM   #338 
   No, you're wrong - some Republicans voted with Dennis; not the other way around  Major Hogwash   Nov-08-09 01:02 PM   #348 
   No, Major: He Voted With Them  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 02:32 PM   #381 
      I disagree with you because not all "No" votes are the same.  Jim Lane   Nov-08-09 06:01 PM   #445 
         We Would Seem In Agreement On Some Points, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-08-09 10:39 PM   #494 
   Like the Iraq War??? n/t  LSK   Nov-08-09 10:14 PM   #487 
   That's sad and small of him. This is only a first step to reform  Politicub   Nov-07-09 11:32 PM   #8 
   and obama said he wanted to be the last president to deal with health care-- well, this bill  niyad   Nov-07-09 11:36 PM   #22 
   Do you really think Congress or Obama is going to do any more  dflprincess   Nov-07-09 11:38 PM   #30 
      Shhh. You'll upset the delusional.  flvegan   Nov-08-09 12:08 AM   #115 
      It is sad when you see voters who have been so badly abused  dflprincess   Nov-08-09 12:55 AM   #174 
         it's beyond sad  Skittles   Nov-09-09 12:08 AM   #501 
      We might be stuck with it for awhile but I'm sure it will be completely revised  NoUsername   Nov-08-09 12:38 AM   #164 
   Interesting how those angry with Dennis don't seem to have much to say about the content  debbierlus   Nov-07-09 11:33 PM   #14 
   His bullshit would ahve gotten exactly fifty votes  WeDidIt   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   #20 
   I assume you've read his statement so which part do you disagree with?  951-Riverside   Nov-07-09 11:45 PM   #52 
   good question. but then preferring blue dogs already answers it partially.  robinlynne   Nov-07-09 11:56 PM   #84 
   The entire fucking thing  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:08 AM   #114 
   "You don't pass legislation shooting for the sky"  GreenArrow   Nov-08-09 12:28 AM   #149 
   OK  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:36 PM   #24 
   Right you are, debbierlus  Libertas1776   Nov-07-09 11:37 PM   #27 
   He's standing for his ego, not for his principles.  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:41 PM   #38 
   So  Libertas1776   Nov-07-09 11:45 PM   #51 
   In some possible world where Congress is going to vote for single-payer, no, it is not  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:46 PM   #54 
      Of course  Libertas1776   Nov-07-09 11:52 PM   #70 
         I have a more relevant and immediate counterfactual for you.  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:56 PM   #85 
            Better to have the most extreme  Libertas1776   Nov-08-09 12:01 AM   #101 
            Yes, maybe, if we had begun with that back several months ago  Unvanguard   Nov-08-09 12:08 AM   #116 
            He voted with the GOP  tonysam   Nov-08-09 03:42 PM   #401 
   :"pristine ideological purity"  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 01:33 PM   #358 
      The Founding Fathers compromised on the retention of slavery and the slave trade.  Unvanguard   Nov-08-09 03:53 PM   #410 
      Whoever responded to me  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 06:10 PM   #447 
   The demonization of Kucinich for speaking truth is a disgusting spectacle  debbierlus   Nov-07-09 11:50 PM   #64 
   DLC hates him  Individualist   Nov-07-09 11:53 PM   #72 
   I'm with you.  robinlynne   Nov-07-09 11:57 PM   #89 
   HE started by coming out with this disgusting spectacle  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:03 AM   #102 
   Calling it quits. The United States is a wasteland.  troubledamerican   Nov-08-09 04:02 AM   #223 
   The DK thread swarms seem orchestrated. I think the "centrists" fear him,  glitch   Nov-08-09 11:17 AM   #303 
      It isn't fear--it's disgust. Either Kucinich is a Democrat or he isn't  tonysam   Nov-08-09 03:44 PM   #402 
         Fear and binary "logic" go very well together. In fact they appear inseparable. nt  glitch   Nov-08-09 05:42 PM   #438 
   Principles? In the Democratic Party?  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 01:30 PM   #357 
   Yes, obviously, it will help insurance companies in some ways  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:39 PM   #33 
   Dennis is right. I think he should continue pushing for this.  glinda   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   #17 
   Yes, losing is what we're after  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:39 PM   #34 
   Driving us into the gutter?  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:48 PM   #58 
      Either you are a Republican or you are unable to take into account the good that he also does.  glinda   Nov-07-09 11:51 PM   #66 
      He doesn't do any good  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:53 PM   #73 
      Dead to you NOW? I'd love to see the links to all your prior pro-DK postings  NorthCarolina   Nov-08-09 09:03 AM   #259 
      what about his sane, spell-check enabled, supporters?  harmonicon   Nov-08-09 12:35 PM   #339 
   I like Dennis, and I normally align pretty closely with him.  AndyA   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   #19 
   and do you seriously think anything on your list is actually going to happen in, say, the next ten  niyad   Nov-07-09 11:39 PM   #31 
   Spot On! Andy  bjb   Nov-08-09 02:55 PM   #391 
   What he said is basically right.  Danger MouseDU Moderator   Nov-07-09 11:36 PM   #21 
   And undoubtedly if only Pelosi had casted a magic spell we would have gotten single-payer  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:36 PM   #23 
   Tell it like it is Dennis...  Xicano   Nov-07-09 11:37 PM   #26 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 11:42 PM   #39 
   It's a good thing all of the Democrats  TicketyBoo   Nov-07-09 11:37 PM   #28 
   K&R  Individualist   Nov-07-09 11:39 PM   #32 
   He's no better than Lieberman  ecstatic   Nov-07-09 11:41 PM   #36 
   what is it?  harmonicon   Nov-08-09 12:41 PM   #342 
   I look  LatteLibertine   Nov-07-09 11:41 PM   #37 
   Dennis is an idealist...  StarfarerBill   Nov-07-09 11:42 PM   #41 
   Well that idealist has healthcare and wants to hold up the process  ecstatic   Nov-07-09 11:43 PM   #45 
   Real idealists want to try to bring reality closer to their ideal.  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:45 PM   #53 
   He's now stabbing his party in the back  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:50 PM   #62 
      interesting.  TheCML   Nov-08-09 02:34 AM   #200 
   K&R! Funny how  Kermitt Gribble   Nov-07-09 11:43 PM   #43 
   .  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:52 PM   #69 
      Oh, no!!! Please don't put me on ignore!!!  Kermitt Gribble   Nov-08-09 12:03 AM   #103 
         You'll cry all night, won't you!  Individualist   Nov-08-09 12:05 AM   #107 
   I'll admit that the bill is imperfect, but we need a starting point.  Feron   Nov-07-09 11:43 PM   #44 
   This isn't a starting point - it is a government mandate of a corrupt, unethical corporate system  debbierlus   Nov-07-09 11:54 PM   #75 
   Not only is it not a starting point it is a huge step backwards.  glitch   Nov-08-09 11:22 AM   #307 
   That's what AARP said when Medicare was changed  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 01:59 PM   #369 
   by the time the senate gets done with it  newspeak   Nov-08-09 02:41 PM   #383 
   There isn't anything Dennis says in that which isn't true.  mmonk   Nov-07-09 11:43 PM   #46 
   That was stated. Nice phrase. and so true.  dixiegrrrrl   Nov-08-09 01:47 PM   #360 
   delete  denem   Nov-07-09 11:48 PM   #56 
   I love all the babies in this thread whining because Kucinich didn't toe the party line  t0dd   Nov-07-09 11:48 PM   #57 
   The "babies" are the people who believe reality will magically alter to suit their preference  Unvanguard   Nov-07-09 11:50 PM   #61 
   +1  Individualist   Nov-07-09 11:50 PM   #63 
   +1  951-Riverside   Nov-07-09 11:54 PM   #79 
   You agree with that insanity?  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:58 PM   #93 
   He stands for failure  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:55 PM   #83 
   LOL, your temper tantrums are hilarious. Are you an adult?  t0dd   Nov-07-09 11:56 PM   #87 
      His 20+ posts in this one thread are certainly an indication of hysteria out of control.  Individualist   Nov-08-09 12:31 AM   #154 
      One things right  Cherchez la Femme   Nov-08-09 02:03 PM   #372 
   +1  bvar22   Nov-08-09 12:07 PM   #332 
   As usual, he's right.  flvegan   Nov-07-09 11:49 PM   #59 
   You've been against this for a long time  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:54 PM   #80 
      Awesome, thank you!  flvegan   Nov-07-09 11:57 PM   #90 
         100% with you.  MuseRider   Nov-08-09 12:13 AM   #127 
            He stabbed us in the back with a knife  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:32 AM   #156 
   .  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Nov-07-09 11:52 PM   #67 
   How appropriate.  Libertas1776   Nov-07-09 11:54 PM   #78 
   & I always called him "the Romulan"  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 11:56 PM   #88 
   .  mmonk   Nov-08-09 12:13 AM   #126 
   What a petulant little child  bluestateguy   Nov-07-09 11:54 PM   #74 
   One great thing about this thread  Horse with no Name   Nov-07-09 11:56 PM   #86 
   Yep.  EFerrari   Nov-08-09 12:26 AM   #147 
   +1  leftstreet   Nov-08-09 02:28 AM   #197 
   I guess we have to take whatever crumbs they are willing to give us  liberal_at_heart   Nov-08-09 12:00 AM   #96 
   Until we have the courage to stand with the likes of Dennis, we will never see true change  debbierlus   Nov-08-09 12:01 AM   #100 
   More garbage  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:04 AM   #104 
   Do you work for the Insurance Industry?  Kansas Wyatt   Nov-08-09 12:10 AM   #119 
      I fucking despise the insurance companies  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:12 AM   #123 
      I said that I was just asking.  Kansas Wyatt   Nov-08-09 12:25 AM   #143 
         So do I  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:28 AM   #148 
            Sorry, I just see it a lot like...  Kansas Wyatt   Nov-08-09 12:50 AM   #170 
      I was wondering the same thing, Kansas Wyatt  Libertas1776   Nov-08-09 12:12 AM   #124 
      What would give you that idea?  Kansas Wyatt   Nov-08-09 12:21 AM   #139 
         I was agreeing with you  Libertas1776   Nov-08-09 12:28 AM   #150 
            Sorry, I misread it.  Kansas Wyatt   Nov-08-09 12:52 AM   #171 
      Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-08-09 12:19 AM   #136 
   They need something to bitch about.  flvegan   Nov-08-09 12:04 AM   #106 
   Wake up. He's using you  ecstatic   Nov-08-09 12:07 AM   #112 
   He won't be getting all that Insurance lobby money the dem "heroes"  mmonk   Nov-08-09 04:57 AM   #232 
   Kucinich followers are to the Democratic Party what Tancredo followers are to the GOP  WeDidIt   Nov-08-09 12:10 AM   #120 
   +1  NorthCarolina   Nov-08-09 10:18 AM   #286 
   This deserves its own thread.  glitch   Nov-08-09 11:27 AM   #310 
   Remember when Kucinich voted yes for Christmas and Christianity?  ProSense   Nov-08-09 12:10 AM   #121 
   He's finally jumped the shark this time  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:16 AM   #132 
   I certainly disagree with him on those votes, but you just killed any claim that he is a "purist"  Bjorn Against   Nov-08-09 02:44 PM   #384 
   Wow... those last two really surprise me.  redqueen   Nov-08-09 05:45 PM   #439 
   Oh FUCK YOU DENNIS!!! You are no liberal, you are an attention-seeking bastard!  Odin2005   Nov-08-09 12:17 AM   #134 
   What is it with all the childish outvbursts and republican talking points from these guys?  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 06:11 AM   #240 
      All they have is mindless rage  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 10:02 AM   #280 
      That's standard behavior for DLC.  Individualist   Nov-08-09 10:35 AM   #296 
      It's the Third Way. Halfway less offensive than Republicans. Triangulation, doncha know. nt  glitch   Nov-08-09 11:34 AM   #315 
      I get pissed of because people annoint this hypocrite as a saint.  Odin2005   Nov-08-09 12:06 PM   #331 
         No, they just understand nuance and that DK provides a needed contrast  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 03:46 PM   #403 
   Kucinich is a sociopath.  Scarsdale Vibe   Nov-08-09 12:26 AM   #145 
   He's let his 'cult' status go to his head - that's for sure  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 12:41 AM   #167 
   Dennis is right again, if not exactly popular for it.  juno jones   Nov-08-09 12:31 AM   #153 
   Rep. Kucinich is one of the FEW who are willing to stand up and tell the truth, despite  bertman   Nov-08-09 12:31 AM   #155 
   Me too.  knixphan   Nov-08-09 01:06 AM   #177 
   They're Winning - Private insurance companies push for 'individual mandate' - June 2009  slipslidingaway   Nov-08-09 12:38 AM   #163 
   Excellent post - it deserves its own thread  debbierlus   Nov-08-09 12:40 AM   #166 
   Health plans' profits decline along with membership numbers - they need customers  slipslidingaway   Nov-08-09 01:13 AM   #178 
      2MM x $500/month average premium  zoff   Nov-08-09 10:59 AM   #301 
   it's true, the insurance companies are the real winners with this bill  liberal_at_heart   Nov-08-09 01:02 AM   #176 
   They sure are :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Nov-08-09 01:15 AM   #180 
   Thanks for posting this, slipslidingaway. Please post as a separate thread.  bertman   Nov-08-09 11:59 AM   #326 
   Who's 5 foot 7 and is going to lose his job  Algorem   Nov-08-09 12:59 AM   #175 
   Purity Troll  impik   Nov-08-09 01:28 AM   #182 
   Many bills were passed without him and the support of several Democrats...  slipslidingaway   Nov-08-09 01:41 AM   #184 
   Well, nothing bad would ever get done anyway. nt  Truth2Tell   Nov-08-09 01:56 AM   #187 
   You;re sickening  Fading Captain   Nov-08-09 02:42 AM   #204 
   I agree with him, too.  Desertrose   Nov-08-09 01:50 AM   #185 
   Some of you are as bad as the Republicans--no principles, just party loyalty  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 02:07 AM   #188 
   Yup, we think just like these "Republicans":  ProSense   Nov-08-09 02:16 AM   #194 
   Yeah, but by and large, it was a bill that the Republicans could have supported  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 02:26 AM   #196 
      All, but one, Republican voted against it. Kucinich is in good company. n/t  ProSense   Nov-08-09 02:32 AM   #199 
      The Republican opposition was THEATER  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 02:59 AM   #212 
         I'm sure had McCain won they would have rallied to pass health reform with a public option. n/t  ProSense   Nov-08-09 03:48 AM   #220 
         Like this bill actually has a real public option that would be available to all comers?  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 09:46 AM   #274 
         exactly  G_j   Nov-08-09 04:07 AM   #224 
      And if a Dem wasn't in office, they'd have vote a big yes on it.  Desertrose   Nov-08-09 02:47 AM   #208 
   The Dittocratic Party  Fading Captain   Nov-08-09 02:43 AM   #206 
   Couldn't agree more. We heard the same excuses for  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 03:56 AM   #222 
   One of the best DU posts ever!  DemBones DemBones   Nov-08-09 06:02 AM   #238 
   +1  Individualist   Nov-08-09 10:38 AM   #298 
   And if it means not accomplishing a damned thing and voting with the GOP,  tonysam   Nov-08-09 03:52 PM   #407 
      Yeah, we do  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 06:24 PM   #450 
   k&r  dana_b   Nov-08-09 03:10 AM   #215 
   Go Dennis!  earth mom   Nov-08-09 03:14 AM   #216 
   Where Dennis and the party separate, he believes people are worth fighting for.  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 03:25 AM   #217 
   KNR!  wroberts189   Nov-08-09 03:35 AM   #218 
   many of the complaints Kucinich rails on are addressed in this bill- i'm weary of his grandstanding  BREMPRO   Nov-08-09 03:44 AM   #219 
   f that  bkozumplik   Nov-08-09 04:15 AM   #227 
   Sorry Dennis, but I have to disagree this time.  lonestarnot   Nov-08-09 04:08 AM   #225 
   Look someone in the party had to say it  dschis   Nov-08-09 02:54 PM   #390 
   The party betrayed Dennis & the people with this stinking bill.  Vidar   Nov-08-09 04:45 AM   #231 
   Actually, the party stood up for the people despite Kucinich. n/t  ProSense   Nov-08-09 04:59 AM   #233 
   By wanting to fine us and/or put us in jail if we don't buy insurance?  Roland99   Nov-08-09 07:07 AM   #246 
   Yeah, but that doesn't matter when there's an opportunity to hate on DK!  Echo In Light   Nov-08-09 07:25 AM   #248 
   Whose going to buy my family's insurance? You?  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:51 AM   #275 
   no, it didn't. N/T  GreenArrow   Nov-08-09 01:34 PM   #359 
   Dennis has betrayed the party and has for years  tonysam   Nov-08-09 03:53 PM   #409 
   knr right on Kucinich  Mari333   Nov-08-09 06:01 AM   #236 
   I don't get why this bill FORCES people to BUY  pjt7   Nov-08-09 07:06 AM   #245 
   Because the Insuance Companies wanted it that way  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:56 AM   #276 
   Dennis may well be right but  malaise   Nov-08-09 07:17 AM   #247 
   Dennis is the only center-leftist in Congress  murdoch   Nov-08-09 07:44 AM   #249 
   If the bill fell one vote short I'd be pissed.  Sky Masterson   Nov-08-09 08:14 AM   #253 
   I agree with Dennis, but...  reprehensor   Nov-08-09 08:54 AM   #255 
   Would he have voted NO if he had been 218? Easy to throw stones from the cheap seats.  ncteechur   Nov-08-09 08:56 AM   #256 
   k&r!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Nov-08-09 09:00 AM   #257 
   K&R  Orwellian_Ghost   Nov-08-09 09:02 AM   #258 
   Kucinich is one of the very few in Congress not owned by big corporations  lib2DaBone   Nov-08-09 09:24 AM   #265 
   lotta corpora-phagists here, though  BakedAtAMileHigh   Nov-08-09 09:28 AM   #268 
      I like to spell it corprophagist (it just just fits so well on so many levels) Welcome to DU! nt  glitch   Nov-08-09 11:38 AM   #318 
   and by the time Kucinich's ideal of a healthcare bill comes to be, how many will have died? /nt  still_one   Nov-08-09 09:58 AM   #277 
   I agree with everything he said, but...  thesquanderer   Nov-08-09 09:59 AM   #278 
   Even if you favor the bill as a first step,, you have to admire his principles. nt  woo me with science   Nov-08-09 10:00 AM   #279 
   Here lies the answer to a lot of America's problems:  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 10:04 AM   #281 
   Dennis is right.  AzDar   Nov-08-09 10:08 AM   #283 
   Dennis should be our President.  sellitman   Nov-08-09 10:11 AM   #284 
   He's tried twice and was stomped.  saltpoint   Nov-08-09 10:13 AM   #285 
   He is one of the few fighting for us.  sellitman   Nov-08-09 10:19 AM   #287 
   No outrage. But I wouldn't hand the ball over to someone who can't  saltpoint   Nov-08-09 10:21 AM   #289 
      One man's "elbowing and negotiation, and collaboration" is another's man's SELLOUT  sellitman   Nov-08-09 10:26 AM   #292 
         The Speaker of the House is a Democrat. Kucinich bolted with his  saltpoint   Nov-08-09 10:29 AM   #294 
            Your labels are real cool.  sellitman   Nov-08-09 08:08 PM   #467 
   No support from the corporations, there is no way anyone would ever be...  slipslidingaway   Nov-08-09 10:20 AM   #288 
      Sad to say it is a significant component in electoral victories, at least in  saltpoint   Nov-08-09 10:25 AM   #291 
   God forbid  tonysam   Nov-08-09 03:54 PM   #413 
   I feel like Alice in underhanded land!  jotsy   Nov-08-09 10:29 AM   #295 
   Corporate America would not let Kucinich get near becoming  Duval   Nov-08-09 10:37 AM   #297 
   Dennis is America's Congressperson.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:18 AM   #304 
   Most people don't understand Dennis, because he is a man of the people...  SnoopDog   Nov-08-09 11:19 AM   #305 
   He voted NO because he's a one-man party of NO? How will that vote help the 40,000 dying  Honeycombe8   Nov-08-09 11:20 AM   #306 
   he's saying don't settle for garbage and call it progress  Skittles   Nov-09-09 12:00 AM   #499 
   SPHC or nothing.  L0oniX   Nov-08-09 11:24 AM   #308 
   I agree. What came of this was removal of pre-existing conditions and  davidwparker   Nov-08-09 11:31 AM   #313 
   Thanks Kucinich for voting against:  ProSense   Nov-08-09 11:41 AM   #319 
   Said by a person who insurance is subsidized by our tax dollars.  Mass   Nov-08-09 11:43 AM   #320 
   And a person who is trying to get all Americans the same health care he has  Bjorn Against   Nov-08-09 02:51 PM   #389 
      So, do these people have to wait until Kucinich can decide enough of his colleagues.  Mass   Nov-08-09 07:13 PM   #455 
   He is right - democrats are unprincipaled - this is obvious to voters  scentopine   Nov-08-09 11:56 AM   #324 
   Misplaced idealism, the result of which, if successful, would have still left people to suffer.  quiet.american   Nov-08-09 11:58 AM   #325 
   I just read this email from Dennis  man4allcats   Nov-08-09 12:17 PM   #335 
   Thank You, Dennis Kucinich.  bvar22   Nov-08-09 12:21 PM   #336 
   Exactly, this bill is worse than what we have now. Change we can vomit on.  Bushknew   Nov-08-09 05:57 PM   #443 
   Yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla, it's NOT intended to be the end but a BEGINNING ! SUPPORT IT YOU FOOL!  RBInMaine   Nov-08-09 12:27 PM   #337 
   Dennis is a selfish little man.  Aramchek   Nov-08-09 12:41 PM   #340 
   If Dennis' principles lead him to vote with republicans, that's his choice.  Patriot 76   Nov-08-09 12:41 PM   #341 
   WeDidIt and HughMoran, you couldn't sound more Republican if you tried.  hulka38   Nov-08-09 12:49 PM   #344 
   Naw just DLC types. They're pretty close thoough  dschis   Nov-08-09 02:56 PM   #394 
   Thank you, Dennis.  roody   Nov-08-09 12:56 PM   #346 
   An articulate, well-thought response to this corporate giveaway nonsense  Stumbler   Nov-08-09 12:57 PM   #347 
   Good for him.  Duncan   Nov-08-09 01:15 PM   #351 
   Once again  billh58   Nov-08-09 01:18 PM   #353 
   Kudos for Dennis for not wanting to eat this shit sandwich.  Bushknew   Nov-08-09 01:23 PM   #354 
   here's the part that kills me:  inna   Nov-08-09 01:52 PM   #362 
   I hope Obama does likewise and stands by his word.  Duncan   Nov-08-09 01:54 PM   #364 
   Another K&R  Cleita   Nov-08-09 01:55 PM   #366 
   It's a shame that America isn't mature enough for Dennis Kucinich.  Gregorian   Nov-08-09 01:59 PM   #370 
   I'm moving to Europe I guess  dschis   Nov-08-09 02:58 PM   #395 
   Rome is always burning. Europeans have more history, but they have their problems.  Gregorian   Nov-08-09 04:43 PM   #425 
      I know  dschis   Nov-09-09 10:41 PM   #513 
         My favorite forum on the internet is British.  Gregorian   Nov-10-09 11:48 AM   #515 
   It's a shame Kucinich isn't mature enough for America n/t  tonysam   Nov-08-09 03:55 PM   #415 
      You know that's not true. He authored the bill to impeach Cheney.  Gregorian   Nov-08-09 04:38 PM   #422 
   ah... the know nothings...  madrchsod   Nov-08-09 02:07 PM   #374 
   I wish I had a number of total number of health insurance employees in the country  lxlxlxl   Nov-08-09 02:46 PM   #385 
   The Rule of 80-20  Zambero   Nov-08-09 02:55 PM   #392 
   Ahh, but we need the voice of opposition  dschis   Nov-08-09 03:06 PM   #396 
   the rule of 80/20  kurtzapril4   Nov-08-09 05:14 PM   #431 
   I have relatives in Germany  dschis   Nov-08-09 03:11 PM   #397 
   k & r for the best Democrat standing, bar none. nt  LWolf   Nov-08-09 03:29 PM   #399 
   God Bless you, Dennis  Nikki Stone1   Nov-08-09 03:33 PM   #400 
   Kucinich/Sanders '12 Take Back America!  RoccoR5955   Nov-08-09 03:55 PM   #414 
   The Problem is that If Kucinich's amendment was in the bill  gholtron   Nov-08-09 04:17 PM   #417 
   Good grief, what a bunch of low-ambition codependents we have on this thread  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 06:28 PM   #451 
      I share your frustration  Skittles   Nov-09-09 12:09 AM   #502 
   K & R...again...Dennis Kucinich was right on..  winyanstaz   Nov-08-09 04:24 PM   #418 
   Some friends of mine just said...  JaneFordA   Nov-08-09 04:42 PM   #424 
   Forgetting just one or two things though.  Shagbark Hickory   Nov-08-09 05:02 PM   #429 
   Amen Kucinich!  twitomy   Nov-08-09 05:38 PM   #435 
   As a person in the UK said today "what's the matter with them in America?"  Rosa Luxemburg   Nov-08-09 05:53 PM   #441 
   All the folks who criticized Kucinich for saying  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 06:55 PM   #454 
   K&R  Eyerish   Nov-08-09 07:24 PM   #457 
   I support Dennins k*r  autorank   Nov-08-09 08:11 PM   #468 
   He provided reasons and voted with his principles.  pa28   Nov-08-09 09:18 PM   #481 
   k&r for the Honorable Dennis Kucinich.  Laelth   Nov-08-09 09:33 PM   #484 
   Sorry Dennis, I'm not buying it. Not one iota  Zambero   Nov-08-09 10:22 PM   #490 
      you don't fucking get it  Skittles   Nov-09-09 12:02 AM   #500 
         No, DK voted against  billh58   Nov-09-09 01:02 PM   #506 
 
HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:29 PM
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1. .
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 11:29 PM by HughMoran
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buchols (6 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:35 PM
Original message
I have a feeling
That he probably was one of the last to vote, and only voted against it once it was clear it would pass
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 11:35 AM
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317. I don't know about that. Dennis is a stand up guy. He
pledged months ago to only support a bill with a strong public option.

I am without insurance and in the last 20 years, I've only had health insurance for about 18 months in 2003 and 2004.

And I would have voted against this bill because I don't believe it does any thing to make health care more affordable or available for Americans in the long term. In fact in the long term it's a very counter productive bill.

Yes it contains some short lived carrots.

But those hardly make up for the long term damage to middle and lower income Americans that are in that bill.



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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 03:48 PM
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405. + 10. n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:50 PM
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361. This may be true of folks like Hillery, who did the same on the
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 01:52 PM by ooglymoogly
bankruptcy bill and of most of the congress sellouts; But it is not true of Dennis who has proven his bona fides over and over again. He is one of the very few we can trust.
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Go2Peace (494 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 03:48 PM
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404. ONCE again DK posts hit the top of the list, proving that the naysayers are out of step
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 03:49 PM by Go2Peace
Most on this board understand and support Kucinich and appreciate his hard work.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 09:48 PM
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485. It's getting to the point that DK is the only congress person I trust. ...K&R
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billh58 Donating Member (898 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Nov-09-09 01:06 PM
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507. To do what,
absolutely nothing?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-09-09 01:50 PM
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509. sorry wrong place
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 01:51 PM by ooglymoogly
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kaehele Donating Member (76 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 02:01 PM
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371. cannot argue with what DK says n/t
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 08:48 PM
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472. For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!!
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 08:53 PM by theFrankFactor
http://www.hr676.org/12.html

Read it genius!

You think that's a Blue Dog Tea Bagger?

If you do you're an idiot of the highest order.

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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 08:48 PM
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473.  For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!!
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 08:53 PM by theFrankFactor
http://www.hr676.org/12.html

Read it genius!

You think that's a Blue Dog Tea Bagger?

If you do you're an idiot of the highest order.

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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 08:49 PM
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474. For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!!
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 08:53 PM by theFrankFactor
http://www.hr676.org/12.html

Read it genius!

You think that's a Blue Dog Tea Bagger?

If you do you're an idiot of the highest order.

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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 08:50 PM
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475. Posted Three Times in the Hopes of Penetrating the Blind Hatred.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 08:51 PM
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476. Where''d the Huge Moran's Text Go?
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Johnboi70 (88 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 09:31 PM
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482. Your posts seem pretty hateful all by themselves. n/t
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billh58 Donating Member (898 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Nov-09-09 12:44 PM
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505. More like
perpetrating the blind devotion.
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billh58 Donating Member (898 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Nov-09-09 01:55 PM
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511. HR 676 was
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 01:56 PM by billh58
first introduced in 2003 by John Conyers, and he has re-introduced it every year since:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Hea...

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:30 PM
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2. FUCK Dennis Kucinich
His ass should now be primaried.

He is a traitor to his party every bit as much as the treasonous blue dogs.

Fuck his traitor ass.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:32 PM
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9. Every last word he spoke is the truth...

Don't like it, don't kill the messenger.

Instead of bashing Kucinich, you might want to reserve your rage for the politicians who just sold your ass out to the corporate health industry giants.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:33 PM
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13. I'll be donating to his primary opponent
he's a dumb ass fuckhead.

All or nothing is a Republican game. He's a dumb shit.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:35 AM
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183. Well, I'll double the amount of your donation ...
and donate to Dennis, for having the guts to vote the way he did.

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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 02:38 AM
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202. Me too and will use my email list to get as many others as I can
to do the same.

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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 05:58 AM
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235. So will I.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 06:50 AM
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241. Dennis is the ONLY Congressman I donated to last year.
I'll double it this time. And, I live in Florida.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:56 PM
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367. +1 nt
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:55 PM
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365. +1 nt
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Nov-08-09 10:28 AM
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293. I have already donated and will continue to do so
While you go on and continue to accept the status quo and call it Democratic.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 10:55 AM
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300. I will gladly continue to support Dennis because he repeatedly stands up to corporate interest
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billh58 Donating Member (898 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Nov-09-09 01:42 PM
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508. And may I ask
to what avail? What has DK actually accomplished with all of his petulant, indignant, grandstanding? That is, with the exception of his "folk hero" status among the 2% of Americans who blindly worship him?
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Loge23 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 11:49 AM
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323. ...and what is the Democrat's game?
Make sure they don't offend any Republicans?
Play for the support of the same Republicans who would run them over if they had chance?
Water down every principle that Dems were elected on?

I voted for Health Care reform. Not a redirection of health care lobbyist money to Dems.

I pay $476 a month for garbage coverage. Thanks to this bill - and opinions such as yours - that will probably go up.

If the supporters of this party had any conscience, they would overwhelmingly support people like Dennis Kucinich who clearly does not drink the freakin' Koolaid of conciliatory politics.

But have no fear. The Repukes will soon be back in control (as if they ever were not).
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:57 PM
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368. +1 nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:54 PM
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363. Wouldn't you be doing that anyway?n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 10:40 PM
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495. I'm guessing he'd usually be donating to his opponent in the general
We should take what little progress we can get with that one.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 06:19 PM
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448. I'd say its more like nothing or nothing; Which shell is the pea
under, ooops you lose, you lose, you lose. Just wait till the masses learn there was never a pea under any of the shells to begin with; I'd guess torches and pitchforks will become the norm; And if the Whitehouse thinks the masses will not learn exactly how they have been sold down the river until 2013, in the last quarter of O's 8 years, is batting a sticky wicket that is covered in tar and feathers for the Dems if they continue on this path of who can eliminate the robust public option without getting caught; Burying calumny in a thousand pages just wont work.
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liberation (611 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 06:47 PM
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453. Wow... who can argue with such a well composed and logical train of "thought"
... and I thought party uber alles was only a republican trait. LOL.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Nov-08-09 07:49 PM
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462. I'll be donating to Dennis. nt
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 08:56 PM
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477. Uh huh. Sure you will.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Nov-08-09 10:21 PM
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489. And that would be a "right-to-life" "centrist" Democrat who will vote with Republicans?

Now that's "smart" politics!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 10:37 PM
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493. All or nothing is definitely a Republican game
You play it well.
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 02:16 AM
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195. Treating fellow Progressives like this is boorish and adolescent
Would I be surprised if you try to apologize for just being overzealous or just all emotional?

Well others have strong feelings as well and your posts lately are destructive to the community.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 09:00 PM
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479. Not to mention counterproductive.
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Xicano Donating Member (816 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:44 PM
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50. Tell it like it is debbierlus
Because some people around here love being slaves to wall street.

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:56 AM
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186. Indeed debbierlus - yet watch the haters pile on
as Dennis stands up for what's right - instead they eagerly await the scraps that they, and the rest of us, will be "allowed" to have. It's like Michael Moore said: America has battered housewife syndrome. We just keep coming back for one more giant helping of corrupt corporate bullshit. Thank you sir, can I have another! Sigh. Dennis = a man ahead of his time. :patriot:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 10:50 PM
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498. Amen
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Nov-08-09 03:28 PM
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398. It may be the truth, but he's not getting anything accomplished n/t
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 05:58 PM
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444. No, the Democrats who voted for this stupid bill are getting nothing accomplished.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 03:53 PM
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411. Totally agree. But we are officially a society that cannot think straight.
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 03:55 PM by truedelphi
"Hijackers" crash planes they don't know how to fly into buildings that can withstand such with no collapse -- American people must do something, anything. So we bomb to smithereens a country that had nothing to do with the attack. A nation that did not even have any "hijackers" naming that nation as their source.

Don't like our health care system? Hey, let's put together a 1,900 + page bill that mostly creates an "Insurance Industry Profit Protection Racket" and

While we are at it, let's include in that proposal red tape for those who need birth control, or abortion, or who miscarry. Let's see that women's rights are pushed back to the turn of the Twentieth Century. Women will now have to seek out the ghost of Margaret Sanger in order to get proper care.

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grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 11:32 PM
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11. I despise that grandstanding little shit. He's our Michelle Bachman.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 12:24 AM
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141. He's jumped the shark this time
I can't support his antics any more - this is unforgivable.
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 01:14 AM
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179. any more?
:rofl:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal