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Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 11:30 PM by debbierlus
Thank you Dennis. I agree with every last word.
After voting against H.R. 3962 - Affordable Health Care for America Act, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today made the following statement:
“We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.
“Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care. Because their massive bureaucracy avoids paying bills so effectively, they force hospitals and doctors to hire their own bureaucracy to fight the insurance companies to avoid getting stuck with an unfair share of the bills. The result is that since 1970, the number of physicians has increased by less than 200% while the number of administrators has increased by 3000%. It is no wonder that 31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. is health insurance policies that do not cover you when you get sick.
“But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies — a bailout under a blue cross.
“By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress’ blog, Think Progress, states “since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.” Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that “money will start flowing in again” to health insurance stocks after passage of the legislation. Investors.com last month reported that pharmacy benefit managers share prices are hitting all-time highs, with the only industry worry that the Administration would reverse its decision not to negotiate Medicare Part D drug prices, leaving in place a Bush Administration policy.
“During the debate, when the interests of insurance companies would have been effectively challenged, that challenge was turned back. The “robust public option” which would have offered a modicum of competition to a monopolistic industry was whittled down from an initial potential enrollment of 129 million Americans to 6 million. An amendment which would have protected the rights of states to pursue single-payer health care was stripped from the bill at the request of the Administration. Looking ahead, we cringe at the prospect of even greater favors for insurance companies.
“Recent rises in unemployment indicate a widening separation between the finance economy and the real economy. The finance economy considers the health of Wall Street, rising corporate profits, and banks’ hoarding of cash, much of it from taxpayers, as sign of an economic recovery. However in the real economy -- in which most Americans live -- the recession is not over. Rising unemployment, business failures, bankruptcies and foreclosures are still hammering Main Street.
“This health care bill continues the redistribution of wealth to Wall Street at the expense of America’s manufacturing and service economies which suffer from costs other countries do not have to bear, especially the cost of health care. America continues to stand out among all industrialized nations for its privatized health care system. As a result, we are less competitive in steel, automotive, aerospace and shipping while other countries subsidize their exports in these areas through socializing the cost of health care.
“Notwithstanding the fate of H.R. 3962, America will someday come to recognize the broad social and economic benefits of a not-for-profit, single-payer health care system, which is good for the American people and good for America’s businesses, with of course the notable exceptions being insurance and pharmaceuticals.”
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HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:29 PM |
#1 |
 
I have a feeling |
buchols |
Nov-07-09 11:35 PM |
# |
  
I don't know about that. Dennis is a stand up guy. He |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:35 AM |
#317 |
   
+ 10. n/t |
truedelphi |
Nov-08-09 03:48 PM |
#405 |
  
This may be true of folks like Hillery, who did the same on the |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-08-09 01:50 PM |
#361 |
 
ONCE again DK posts hit the top of the list, proving that the naysayers are out of step |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 03:48 PM |
#404 |
  
It's getting to the point that DK is the only congress person I trust. ...K&R |
Just-plain-Kathy |
Nov-08-09 09:48 PM |
#485 |
 
To do what, |
billh58 |
Nov-09-09 01:06 PM |
#507 |
 
sorry wrong place |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-09-09 01:50 PM |
#509 |
 
cannot argue with what DK says n/t |
kaehele |
Nov-08-09 02:01 PM |
#371 |
 
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Nov-08-09 02:26 PM |
#380 |
 
For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!! |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 08:48 PM |
#472 |
 
For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!! |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 08:48 PM |
#473 |
 
For The "Brilliant" and "Progressive" Dennis Haters - HR 676!!!! |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 08:49 PM |
#474 |

Posted Three Times in the Hopes of Penetrating the Blind Hatred. |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 08:50 PM |
#475 |
 
Where''d the Huge Moran's Text Go? |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 08:51 PM |
#476 |
 
Your posts seem pretty hateful all by themselves. n/t |
Johnboi70 |
Nov-08-09 09:31 PM |
#482 |
 
More like |
billh58 |
Nov-09-09 12:44 PM |
#505 |

HR 676 was |
billh58 |
Nov-09-09 01:55 PM |
#511 |

FUCK Dennis Kucinich |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:30 PM |
#2 |
 
Every last word he spoke is the truth... |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 11:32 PM |
#9 |
  
I'll be donating to his primary opponent |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:33 PM |
#13 |
   
Well, I'll double the amount of your donation ... |
Maat |
Nov-08-09 01:35 AM |
#183 |
    
Me too and will use my email list to get as many others as I can |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 02:38 AM |
#202 |
    
So will I. |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-08-09 05:58 AM |
#235 |
    
Dennis is the ONLY Congressman I donated to last year. |
Dr.Phool |
Nov-08-09 06:50 AM |
#241 |
     
+1 nt |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-08-09 01:56 PM |
#367 |
    
+1 nt |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-08-09 01:55 PM |
#365 |
   
I have already donated and will continue to do so |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Nov-08-09 10:28 AM |
#293 |
   
I will gladly continue to support Dennis because he repeatedly stands up to corporate interest |
mod mom |
Nov-08-09 10:55 AM |
#300 |
    
And may I ask |
billh58 |
Nov-09-09 01:42 PM |
#508 |
   
...and what is the Democrat's game? |
Loge23 |
Nov-08-09 11:49 AM |
#323 |
    
+1 nt |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-08-09 01:57 PM |
#368 |
   
Wouldn't you be doing that anyway?n/t |
Cleita |
Nov-08-09 01:54 PM |
#363 |
    
I'm guessing he'd usually be donating to his opponent in the general |
jgraz |
Nov-08-09 10:40 PM |
#495 |
   
I'd say its more like nothing or nothing; Which shell is the pea |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-08-09 06:19 PM |
#448 |
   
Wow... who can argue with such a well composed and logical train of "thought" |
liberation |
Nov-08-09 06:47 PM |
#453 |
   
I'll be donating to Dennis. nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-08-09 07:49 PM |
#462 |
   
Uh huh. Sure you will. |
tblue |
Nov-08-09 08:56 PM |
#477 |
   
And that would be a "right-to-life" "centrist" Democrat who will vote with Republicans? |
Better Believe It |
Nov-08-09 10:21 PM |
#489 |
   
All or nothing is definitely a Republican game |
jgraz |
Nov-08-09 10:37 PM |
#493 |
  
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Nov-07-09 11:35 PM |
#18 |
   
Treating fellow Progressives like this is boorish and adolescent |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 02:16 AM |
#195 |
  
Not to mention counterproductive. |
tblue |
Nov-08-09 09:00 PM |
#479 |
  
Tell it like it is debbierlus |
Xicano |
Nov-07-09 11:44 PM |
#50 |
  
Indeed debbierlus - yet watch the haters pile on |
slay |
Nov-08-09 01:56 AM |
#186 |
   
Amen |
debbierlus |
Nov-08-09 10:50 PM |
#498 |
  
It may be the truth, but he's not getting anything accomplished n/t |
tonysam |
Nov-08-09 03:28 PM |
#398 |
   
No, the Democrats who voted for this stupid bill are getting nothing accomplished. |
provis99 |
Nov-08-09 05:58 PM |
#444 |
  
Totally agree. But we are officially a society that cannot think straight. |
truedelphi |
Nov-08-09 03:53 PM |
#411 |
 
I despise that grandstanding little shit. He's our Michelle Bachman. |
grytpype |
Nov-07-09 11:32 PM |
#11 |
  
He's jumped the shark this time |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:24 AM |
#141 |
   
any more? |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-08-09 01:14 AM |
#179 |
   
I stand with Dennis Kucinich. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:29 AM |
#312 |
  
If you want to spend your time hating, that's your decision. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:19 AM |
# |
  
I tend to agree with that analogy |
Zambero |
Nov-08-09 10:25 PM |
#491 |
 
Better a traitor to the party than a traitor to the people. |
saracat |
Nov-07-09 11:32 PM |
#12 |
  
He's a traitor to the people to |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:34 PM |
#15 |
   
NO actually the fighters like Dennis is the only reason there is ANY reform. |
robinlynne |
Nov-07-09 11:54 PM |
#76 |
    
BULLSHIT |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:04 AM |
#105 |
   
Agreed |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:06 AM |
#109 |
    
Then please ignore me now |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:09 AM |
#261 |
    
Start With Me! I Don't Have a Taste For Sell-Out, Pussy-Ass Democrats Anymore. |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 11:43 AM |
#321 |
    
Aww, gee. Guess i wll miss your other posts, they are often quite funny. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Nov-08-09 01:26 PM |
#355 |
    
Put me on your fecal register. |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-08-09 03:53 PM |
#408 |
    
I'm too late to be the first, but please add me to the list of Kucinich supporters |
Jim Lane |
Nov-08-09 04:25 PM |
#419 |
    
Please, put me on your list - thank you. n/t |
kiva |
Nov-08-09 04:54 PM |
#426 |
    
I don't post that often, but... |
proReality |
Nov-08-09 05:34 PM |
#433 |
    
Add me to your list. I stand with Kucinich. (nt) |
scarletwoman |
Nov-08-09 05:56 PM |
#442 |
    
Me, too. Buh bye!!! |
tblue |
Nov-08-09 09:02 PM |
#480 |
   
Zero credibility, I see your fellow whiner agrees. Big surprise there. |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 02:58 AM |
#211 |
   
AMEN |
bjb |
Nov-08-09 02:48 PM |
#387 |
   
If you think this bill will actually help, you are delusional. |
alarimer |
Nov-08-09 09:11 AM |
#262 |
  
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-07-09 11:44 PM |
#47 |
   
You actually might be more COMFORTABLE |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-07-09 11:57 PM |
#91 |
  
Progress is getting healthcare reform passed |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:01 AM |
#99 |
  
40 years of progressivity and all you got is that photo of Saint Teddy. |
Algorem |
Nov-08-09 12:54 AM |
#172 |
   
+ 1 |
troubledamerican |
Nov-08-09 03:49 AM |
#221 |
  
Take some geritol grandpa and relax a bit |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 06:02 AM |
#237 |
  
A "true" liberal is a person with the ideals and beliefs of an................ |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 07:59 AM |
#250 |
  
It Sure as Hell Doesn't Mean Sucking Corporate Dick and Calling it Progress! |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 08:42 PM |
#470 |
  
putting lipstick on a pig named Healthcare Reform doesn't make it |
nosmokes |
Nov-08-09 10:46 PM |
#497 |
  
To betray the Party is usually to betray the people. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:44 PM |
#49 |
   
that's just it. |
rapturedbyrobots |
Nov-08-09 12:55 PM |
#345 |
  
The public option is too weak to be very relevant. But there are other useful parts of the bill. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-08-09 04:00 PM |
#416 |
  
again... |
rapturedbyrobots |
Nov-08-09 07:46 PM |
#461 |
  
Yes. This isn't about the party. |
Kitty Herder |
Nov-08-09 04:43 AM |
#230 |
  
yup... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-08-09 04:29 PM |
#421 |
 
Dennis votes on principle |
Extend a Hand |
Nov-07-09 11:36 PM |
#25 |
  
Dennis votes like a Republican and claims principle |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:38 PM |
#29 |
   
Say WHAT?!?! Don't tell me you're a Blue Dog fan! |
Roland99 |
Nov-07-09 11:40 PM |
#35 |
    
I'd take any Blue Dog on the hill over Kucinich |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:43 PM |
#42 |
   
So, you're ok with a public option that isn't very public? |
Roland99 |
Nov-07-09 11:44 PM |
#48 |
    
After over a century of talk, we finally get a bill passed in the House |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:52 PM |
#71 |
     
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-08-09 12:08 AM |
#117 |
      
The last resort of one who has no argument |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:15 AM |
#131 |
     
You have the audacity to mention DU rules? |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 02:10 AM |
#190 |
      
I violated nto a single rule of DU. n/t |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 11:34 AM |
#314 |
     
Reread the rules, Einstein. |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 02:17 PM |
#378 |
     
Just reread for about the hundredth thime |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 04:55 PM |
#427 |
     
I question your comprehension skill |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 05:13 PM |
#430 |
     
My comments regarding Kucinich are nicer than those directed at Stupak |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 05:40 PM |
#437 |
     
This response does not apply to my comments |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 06:20 PM |
#449 |
     
Yes, it did. n/t |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 07:19 PM |
#456 |
     
Well, then an example of genuine irrelevance |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 07:34 PM |
#459 |
     
I consider the two IDENTICAL |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 07:36 PM |
#460 |
     
Then willfully stupid it is |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 07:50 PM |
#463 |
     
Apparently, you are. |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 07:53 PM |
#464 |
     
DK was the only dem that pointed out the absurdity in this bill. |
CLANG |
Nov-08-09 09:31 PM |
#483 |
     
The only absurdity near this bill |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 10:10 PM |
#486 |
     
Proved my point unequivocally. |
Mithreal |
Nov-10-09 03:57 AM |
#514 |
     
The irony overfloweth |
tavalon |
Nov-08-09 04:40 AM |
#228 |
     
Kind of a joke posting that |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 10:50 AM |
#299 |
     
Primaries are sacrosanct |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 11:35 AM |
#316 |
     
Well that's great. You get shit, and declare fucking victory................... |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 08:13 AM |
#252 |
     
Oh, poor baby. Did dennis get you all upset? Watch your blood pressure or |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:13 AM |
#302 |
     
oh, nice - that's classy |
harmonicon |
Nov-08-09 12:09 PM |
#333 |
     
a bill that kicks the tax payers in the teeth, is a give away to insurance companies.. |
winyanstaz |
Nov-08-09 04:27 PM |
#420 |
    
It is also not optional |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:15 AM |
#263 |
   
So the Stupack voing dems were fine with you? |
saracat |
Nov-08-09 12:00 AM |
#98 |
    
The ones that voted yes on the final bill? YES! |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:06 AM |
#108 |
   
The ones that voted for Stupak. |
saracat |
Nov-08-09 12:07 AM |
#113 |
    
I'll take ANY Dem that voted for both Stupak AND the final Bill |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:11 AM |
#122 |
   
Okay. Just getting clear on that. So now Dems are supporting the |
saracat |
Nov-08-09 12:20 AM |
#138 |
   
Reality is, the bill would not have passed without Stupak |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:33 AM |
#157 |
   
So Hyde being permanent is Okay? And private insurance banned from covering abortions under the |
saracat |
Nov-08-09 12:46 AM |
#168 |
    
Fighting the Hyde Amendment is a battle for another day. n/t |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 11:25 AM |
#309 |
   
You are exactly what is wrong with politics. |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 02:54 AM |
#210 |
   
Oh BULL SHIT! |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 11:27 AM |
#311 |
   
The old talking points used by the DLCers. |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 02:55 PM |
#393 |
   
Actually, those are the *current* DLC talking points. |
billyoc |
Nov-08-09 04:40 PM |
#423 |
   
Progressives ARE in the mnority |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 04:57 PM |
#428 |
   
So where was this broad coalition in the passage of this bill? |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 05:27 PM |
#432 |
   
The broad coalition was within the Democratic Caucus |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 05:37 PM |
#434 |
    
The leadership, if it's worth anything at all, is supposed to be |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 06:33 PM |
#452 |
   
+1,000,000 |
MessiahRp |
Nov-08-09 07:54 PM |
#465 |
   
He voted how he said he would all along. |
Duncan |
Nov-08-09 01:29 PM |
#356 |
   
Yep he sure votes like a Republican |
TheCML |
Nov-08-09 02:30 AM |
#198 |
   
Well, that explains your anger at Kucinich. You're a Blue Dog |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 02:45 AM |
#207 |
   
You sound like a child throwing a tantrum. You won't make your point like that. |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 06:05 AM |
#239 |
    
Yes you will and you did. Blue Dog = SHITHEAD. Republican Moles - Get the fuck out already. |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 12:00 PM |
#327 |
   
OK, you have just placed yourself on the side of the bought-and-paid-for |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 10:06 AM |
#282 |
   
Ha, ha... That's a Joke Right? Dennis a Republican! No one with a fucking ounce of grey matter would |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 12:03 PM |
#329 |
   
Have any proof of that, Mr Republican? I call you that because............ |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 08:07 AM |
#251 |
   
Obama opposes equal civil rights for all |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:21 AM |
#264 |
   
Bite your tongue! |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-08-09 03:54 PM |
#412 |
   
Like Republican Health Care Plan HR 676 by Conyers and KUCINICH!!!???? Too Stupid to Believe! |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 08:44 PM |
#471 |
  
You left out a lot of his Cleveland history, which is available for anyone to look up |
ecstatic |
Nov-07-09 11:42 PM |
#40 |
   
Oh, you measn back when he was anti-choice |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:58 PM |
#92 |
  
That and much, much more nt |
ecstatic |
Nov-07-09 11:59 PM |
#95 |
  
You just tipped your hand with that comment. Obviously a visitor from Free Republic n/t |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-08-09 10:25 AM |
#290 |
  
And by doing so, he put the city into default, costing the taxpayers |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-08-09 12:05 PM |
#330 |
 
really deep stuff. |
Algorem |
Nov-07-09 11:49 PM |
#60 |
  
Your in-depth rebuttal really added to the conversation as well |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:07 AM |
#110 |
 
So when a Democrat actually ACTS like a Democrat, you want to vote him out? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-07-09 11:51 PM |
#65 |
  
Yeah, because voting with Republicans is Soooooo Democratic |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:54 PM |
#81 |
   
Democrats are NOT supposed to be the party of corporate fellation |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-08-09 12:00 AM |
#97 |
    
So you prefer the stattus quo? |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:12 AM |
#125 |
   
No, I prefer REAL reform |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-08-09 12:14 AM |
#130 |
   
Nope, you prefer the status quo |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:16 AM |
#133 |
   
Don't tell me what I think |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-08-09 12:20 AM |
#137 |
    
You supported voting no on this bill |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:22 AM |
#140 |
   
a few months ago |
rapturedbyrobots |
Nov-08-09 01:05 PM |
#349 |
   
This bill just reenforces the status quo |
dflprincess |
Nov-08-09 12:35 AM |
#160 |
   
dems vote with republicans all the time dumbnuts.. |
frylock |
Nov-08-09 02:05 PM |
#373 |
  
Bingo. We don't care what you're voting on... |
Ignis |
Nov-09-09 02:00 PM |
#512 |
 
Well, if he reads what you just wrote, I doubt he'll want to have sex with you. |
Deja Q |
Nov-08-09 12:09 AM |
#118 |
  
hah! |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:24 AM |
#142 |
 
Right. Fuck him for putting people over politics. |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 12:17 AM |
#135 |
  
He put his grandstanding selfish little troll self over HIS PARTY |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:26 AM |
#144 |
 
Party over principle? |
dflprincess |
Nov-08-09 12:33 AM |
#158 |
  
No PRINCIPAL & PARTY as ONE |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:36 AM |
#162 |
 
Not anymore. there were no principle involved in the Stupak Amendment |
saracat |
Nov-08-09 12:48 AM |
#169 |
 
No partisan is a real patriot |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:25 AM |
#266 |
 
if Kucinich's principles are not those of the party, I wouldn't be a Democratic voter |
harmonicon |
Nov-08-09 12:16 PM |
#334 |
 
You've convinced me. I'll write out a check to the CEO of Blue Cross right now |
brentspeak |
Nov-08-09 12:39 AM |
#165 |
 
Hey, I write a check to them every month for over $1200. I am a good |
saracat |
Nov-08-09 12:54 AM |
#173 |
 
It will get worse |
autorank |
Nov-08-09 08:14 PM |
#469 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-08-09 12:35 AM |
#159 |
 
Kucinich is a hero; you, on the other hand, are a zero |
brentspeak |
Nov-08-09 12:35 AM |
#161 |
 
NO-FUCK The Insurance Industry and Corporate America who are the ones that REALLY run this country! |
earth mom |
Nov-08-09 02:08 AM |
#189 |
 
Flamebaits and acts like a troll? Probably a socalled moderate. |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 02:11 AM |
#191 |
 
Your post just helped me remember to send him some |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 02:36 AM |
#201 |
 
LOL Traitor to the Party? The Party Fucked US AGAIN. LIKE NAFTA |
Fading Captain |
Nov-08-09 02:40 AM |
#203 |
  
+1 |
Toucano |
Nov-08-09 09:32 AM |
#271 |
  
+2 |
davidwparker |
Nov-08-09 12:01 PM |
#328 |
 
Notice how the fuck-fuck discussion of this subthread completely avoids... |
JackRiddler |
Nov-08-09 02:43 AM |
#205 |
  
I too have noted and pointed out the degeneration of |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:28 AM |
#267 |
 
It also shows a bullying (if in this case powerless) spirit. |
JackRiddler |
Nov-08-09 09:31 AM |
#270 |
 
the bully is always powerless |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:39 AM |
#273 |
 
It's a bi-annual tradition and he wins every time. His constituents love him because |
Greyhound |
Nov-08-09 03:10 AM |
#214 |
 
"Traitor to the party"? Like Trotsky? |
murdoch |
Nov-08-09 04:43 AM |
#229 |
 
Why do the people that defend the reform bill the hardest always have to insult everyone? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 05:57 AM |
#234 |
  
They have no points to make and do not know the facts |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:30 AM |
#269 |
 
Yeah! FUCK his traitor ASS -- UUURRRRGGH!! |
RadiationTherapy |
Nov-08-09 06:58 AM |
#242 |
 
You are so misguided. You must be new |
elias7 |
Nov-08-09 08:42 AM |
#254 |
 
rube |
bstender |
Nov-08-09 11:48 AM |
#322 |
 
is that Ted Kennedy on your icon? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 12:46 PM |
#343 |
 
who are you? |
lxlxlxl |
Nov-08-09 02:41 PM |
#382 |
 
I can't believe the mods have not deleted that post yet. |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 02:48 PM |
#386 |
 
The problem is, this bill is a big step backward |
rollingrock |
Nov-08-09 02:48 PM |
#388 |
 
Your comment leads me to TRIPLE my donation to Kucinich. |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-08-09 03:51 PM |
#406 |
 
And may I return that kindly jesture of idiocy |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-08-09 06:01 PM |
#446 |
 
LOL! Couldn't agree more. I'm sick of the purists fucking this whole thing up |
Gman |
Nov-08-09 07:29 PM |
#458 |
 
halfWedidit; I suppose having half your wits is better than having none |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-09-09 01:54 PM |
#510 |

As much as I like Dennis that was stupid. |
rwheeler31 |
Nov-07-09 11:30 PM |
#3 |

Hear! Hear! |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-07-09 11:30 PM |
#4 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-07-09 11:32 PM |
#10 |

You're entitled to your opinion. |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-07-09 11:34 PM |
#16 |

I'm pretty much done defending Dennis Kucinich. I don't like brats and |
saltpoint |
Nov-07-09 11:31 PM |
#5 |

Since we had the votes, I allow him his principles. |
aquart |
Nov-07-09 11:31 PM |
#6 |
 
isn't asking |
rapturedbyrobots |
Nov-08-09 01:09 PM |
#350 |

Of Course, Ma'am: He Might As Well Be A Republican On Most Important Votes |
The Magistrate |
Nov-07-09 11:32 PM |
#7 |
 
Absolutely |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:33 PM |
# |
 
Vttt! |
Algorem |
Nov-07-09 11:48 PM |
#55 |
  
Allow Me To Repeat, Sir: He Might As Well Be A Republican On Most Important Votes |
The Magistrate |
Nov-07-09 11:52 PM |
#68 |
 
Vttt! II |
Algorem |
Nov-07-09 11:54 PM |
#77 |
 
+1000 Sir |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:55 PM |
#82 |
  
been done,send all your monies to the next dino to try. |
Algorem |
Nov-08-09 12:07 AM |
#111 |
 
By 'DINO', Sir, You Clearly Mean Rep. Kucinich, Who Certainly Does Often Vote With The Republicans |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 12:14 AM |
#128 |
 
Oh good. Then, we can have a total corporate party with no voices of dissent |
debbierlus |
Nov-08-09 12:26 AM |
#146 |
  
A 'Dino' Is A 'DINO', Ma'am, Whether From the Right Or Left |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 12:30 AM |
#151 |
   
Stop being a Dembot, Sir. This bill helps the insurance companies more than the people. |
Bushknew |
Nov-08-09 02:13 PM |
#376 |
  
The Bill, Sir, Has Many Flaws, But It Is What We Have Got, And Can Serve As A Start To Better Things |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 02:22 PM |
#379 |
  
Oh come on |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:30 AM |
#152 |
 
Oh the little Trotskyite brigade we have thinks its inspirational. |
grantcart |
Nov-08-09 02:14 AM |
#193 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-08-09 04:13 AM |
#226 |
 
those high class foods are clogging your brain tubes,your majesty. |
Algorem |
Nov-08-09 01:24 AM |
#181 |
 
When You Manage To Construct An Argument, Sir, By All Means, Press On And Present It |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 02:13 AM |
#192 |
 
is it stuffy and dusty in here or is it just you? |
Algorem |
Nov-08-09 02:48 AM |
#209 |
  
Still Cannot Fashion An Argument, Eh, Sir? |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 03:09 AM |
#213 |
 
argue with your ass. you don't even know what a dino is. |
Algorem |
Nov-09-09 08:58 AM |
#504 |
 
It Took You All Of Sunday To Come Up With That Junior-High Sputter, Sir? |
The Magistrate |
Nov-10-09 12:17 PM |
#516 |
 
Madam you are plain wrong in linking DK to the Republicans |
bahrbearian |
Nov-08-09 09:08 AM |
#260 |
 
Rep. Kucinich, Ma'am, Voted With the Republicans On this Crucial Legislative Trial Of Strength |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 02:09 PM |
#375 |
 
"The Republicans voted No because this bill is doomed to fail." |
Turborama |
Nov-08-09 09:00 PM |
#478 |
 
+1000 more. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:59 PM |
#94 |
 
. |
Barack_America |
Nov-08-09 12:14 AM |
#129 |
 
Vote for it becauses ir;s a Democratic bill |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 01:18 PM |
#352 |
  
You Would Likely Not, Ma'am, Have Much Liked the Democratic Party Long Ago Either.... |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 02:16 PM |
#377 |
 
MY Democratic Party |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 05:39 PM |
#436 |
 
You Might, Ma'am, Want To Look Back a Little On Your Own |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 05:47 PM |
#440 |
 
Sure it remains the same |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 08:07 PM |
#466 |
 
That's a BS argument .... |
Prana69 |
Nov-08-09 10:15 PM |
#488 |
 
No, Sir, Unlike Your Imagings of Wholesale Of Child-Rape, It Is A Cogent Argument |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 10:26 PM |
#492 |
 
Confirms it. |
Prana69 |
Nov-08-09 10:42 PM |
#496 |
 
If You Say So, Sir.... |
The Magistrate |
Nov-09-09 01:38 AM |
#503 |
 
EXACTLY! +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 |
HamdenRice |
Nov-08-09 06:58 AM |
#243 |
 
He voted correctly on some very big issues. He voted against going to war in Iraq. |
Selatius |
Nov-08-09 07:02 AM |
#244 |
 
So when Obama voted with GOP on Terry Schaivo |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:35 AM |
#272 |
 
Prove it |
JetCityLiberal |
Nov-08-09 12:29 PM |
#338 |
 
No, you're wrong - some Republicans voted with Dennis; not the other way around |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-08-09 01:02 PM |
#348 |
  
No, Major: He Voted With Them |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 02:32 PM |
#381 |
 
I disagree with you because not all "No" votes are the same. |
Jim Lane |
Nov-08-09 06:01 PM |
#445 |
 
We Would Seem In Agreement On Some Points, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Nov-08-09 10:39 PM |
#494 |
 
Like the Iraq War??? n/t |
LSK |
Nov-08-09 10:14 PM |
#487 |

That's sad and small of him. This is only a first step to reform |
Politicub |
Nov-07-09 11:32 PM |
#8 |
 
and obama said he wanted to be the last president to deal with health care-- well, this bill |
niyad |
Nov-07-09 11:36 PM |
#22 |
 
Do you really think Congress or Obama is going to do any more |
dflprincess |
Nov-07-09 11:38 PM |
#30 |

Shhh. You'll upset the delusional. |
flvegan |
Nov-08-09 12:08 AM |
#115 |
 
It is sad when you see voters who have been so badly abused |
dflprincess |
Nov-08-09 12:55 AM |
#174 |

it's beyond sad |
Skittles |
Nov-09-09 12:08 AM |
#501 |

We might be stuck with it for awhile but I'm sure it will be completely revised |
NoUsername |
Nov-08-09 12:38 AM |
#164 |

Interesting how those angry with Dennis don't seem to have much to say about the content |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 11:33 PM |
#14 |
 
His bullshit would ahve gotten exactly fifty votes |
WeDidIt |
Nov-07-09 11:35 PM |
#20 |
  
I assume you've read his statement so which part do you disagree with? |
951-Riverside |
Nov-07-09 11:45 PM |
#52 |
   
good question. but then preferring blue dogs already answers it partially. |
robinlynne |
Nov-07-09 11:56 PM |
#84 |
   
The entire fucking thing |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:08 AM |
#114 |
  
"You don't pass legislation shooting for the sky" |
GreenArrow |
Nov-08-09 12:28 AM |
#149 |
 
OK |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:36 PM |
#24 |
 
Right you are, debbierlus |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-07-09 11:37 PM |
#27 |
  
He's standing for his ego, not for his principles. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:41 PM |
#38 |
   
So |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-07-09 11:45 PM |
#51 |
    
In some possible world where Congress is going to vote for single-payer, no, it is not |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:46 PM |
#54 |
   
Of course |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-07-09 11:52 PM |
#70 |
   
I have a more relevant and immediate counterfactual for you. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:56 PM |
#85 |
   
Better to have the most extreme |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-08-09 12:01 AM |
#101 |
    
Yes, maybe, if we had begun with that back several months ago |
Unvanguard |
Nov-08-09 12:08 AM |
#116 |
   
He voted with the GOP |
tonysam |
Nov-08-09 03:42 PM |
#401 |
   
:"pristine ideological purity" |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 01:33 PM |
#358 |
  
The Founding Fathers compromised on the retention of slavery and the slave trade. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-08-09 03:53 PM |
#410 |
  
Whoever responded to me |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 06:10 PM |
#447 |
  
The demonization of Kucinich for speaking truth is a disgusting spectacle |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 11:50 PM |
#64 |
   
DLC hates him |
Individualist |
Nov-07-09 11:53 PM |
#72 |
   
I'm with you. |
robinlynne |
Nov-07-09 11:57 PM |
#89 |
   
HE started by coming out with this disgusting spectacle |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:03 AM |
#102 |
   
Calling it quits. The United States is a wasteland. |
troubledamerican |
Nov-08-09 04:02 AM |
#223 |
   
The DK thread swarms seem orchestrated. I think the "centrists" fear him, |
glitch |
Nov-08-09 11:17 AM |
#303 |
  
It isn't fear--it's disgust. Either Kucinich is a Democrat or he isn't |
tonysam |
Nov-08-09 03:44 PM |
#402 |
  
Fear and binary "logic" go very well together. In fact they appear inseparable. nt |
glitch |
Nov-08-09 05:42 PM |
#438 |
  
Principles? In the Democratic Party? |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 01:30 PM |
#357 |
 
Yes, obviously, it will help insurance companies in some ways |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:39 PM |
#33 |

Dennis is right. I think he should continue pushing for this. |
glinda |
Nov-07-09 11:35 PM |
#17 |
 
Yes, losing is what we're after |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:39 PM |
#34 |
 
Driving us into the gutter? |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:48 PM |
#58 |

Either you are a Republican or you are unable to take into account the good that he also does. |
glinda |
Nov-07-09 11:51 PM |
#66 |
 
He doesn't do any good |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:53 PM |
#73 |

Dead to you NOW? I'd love to see the links to all your prior pro-DK postings |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-08-09 09:03 AM |
#259 |

what about his sane, spell-check enabled, supporters? |
harmonicon |
Nov-08-09 12:35 PM |
#339 |

I like Dennis, and I normally align pretty closely with him. |
AndyA |
Nov-07-09 11:35 PM |
#19 |
 
and do you seriously think anything on your list is actually going to happen in, say, the next ten |
niyad |
Nov-07-09 11:39 PM |
#31 |
 
Spot On! Andy |
bjb |
Nov-08-09 02:55 PM |
#391 |

What he said is basically right. |
Danger Mouse |
Nov-07-09 11:36 PM |
#21 |

And undoubtedly if only Pelosi had casted a magic spell we would have gotten single-payer |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:36 PM |
#23 |

Tell it like it is Dennis... |
Xicano |
Nov-07-09 11:37 PM |
#26 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-07-09 11:42 PM |
#39 |

It's a good thing all of the Democrats |
TicketyBoo |
Nov-07-09 11:37 PM |
#28 |

K&R |
Individualist |
Nov-07-09 11:39 PM |
#32 |

He's no better than Lieberman |
ecstatic |
Nov-07-09 11:41 PM |
#36 |
 
what is it? |
harmonicon |
Nov-08-09 12:41 PM |
#342 |

I look |
LatteLibertine |
Nov-07-09 11:41 PM |
#37 |

Dennis is an idealist... |
StarfarerBill |
Nov-07-09 11:42 PM |
#41 |
 
Well that idealist has healthcare and wants to hold up the process |
ecstatic |
Nov-07-09 11:43 PM |
#45 |
 
Real idealists want to try to bring reality closer to their ideal. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:45 PM |
#53 |
 
He's now stabbing his party in the back |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:50 PM |
#62 |

interesting. |
TheCML |
Nov-08-09 02:34 AM |
#200 |

K&R! Funny how |
Kermitt Gribble |
Nov-07-09 11:43 PM |
#43 |
 
. |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:52 PM |
#69 |

Oh, no!!! Please don't put me on ignore!!! |
Kermitt Gribble |
Nov-08-09 12:03 AM |
#103 |

You'll cry all night, won't you! |
Individualist |
Nov-08-09 12:05 AM |
#107 |

I'll admit that the bill is imperfect, but we need a starting point. |
Feron |
Nov-07-09 11:43 PM |
#44 |
 
This isn't a starting point - it is a government mandate of a corrupt, unethical corporate system |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 11:54 PM |
#75 |
  
Not only is it not a starting point it is a huge step backwards. |
glitch |
Nov-08-09 11:22 AM |
#307 |
 
That's what AARP said when Medicare was changed |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 01:59 PM |
#369 |
 
by the time the senate gets done with it |
newspeak |
Nov-08-09 02:41 PM |
#383 |

There isn't anything Dennis says in that which isn't true. |
mmonk |
Nov-07-09 11:43 PM |
#46 |
 
That was stated. Nice phrase. and so true. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Nov-08-09 01:47 PM |
#360 |

delete |
denem |
Nov-07-09 11:48 PM |
#56 |

I love all the babies in this thread whining because Kucinich didn't toe the party line |
t0dd |
Nov-07-09 11:48 PM |
#57 |
 
The "babies" are the people who believe reality will magically alter to suit their preference |
Unvanguard |
Nov-07-09 11:50 PM |
#61 |
 
+1 |
Individualist |
Nov-07-09 11:50 PM |
#63 |
 
+1 |
951-Riverside |
Nov-07-09 11:54 PM |
#79 |
  
You agree with that insanity? |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:58 PM |
#93 |
 
He stands for failure |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:55 PM |
#83 |
  
LOL, your temper tantrums are hilarious. Are you an adult? |
t0dd |
Nov-07-09 11:56 PM |
#87 |
 
His 20+ posts in this one thread are certainly an indication of hysteria out of control. |
Individualist |
Nov-08-09 12:31 AM |
#154 |
 
One things right |
Cherchez la Femme |
Nov-08-09 02:03 PM |
#372 |
 
+1 |
bvar22 |
Nov-08-09 12:07 PM |
#332 |

As usual, he's right. |
flvegan |
Nov-07-09 11:49 PM |
#59 |
 
You've been against this for a long time |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:54 PM |
#80 |

Awesome, thank you! |
flvegan |
Nov-07-09 11:57 PM |
#90 |

100% with you. |
MuseRider |
Nov-08-09 12:13 AM |
#127 |

He stabbed us in the back with a knife |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:32 AM |
#156 |

. |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Nov-07-09 11:52 PM |
#67 |
 
How appropriate. |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-07-09 11:54 PM |
#78 |
 
& I always called him "the Romulan" |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 11:56 PM |
#88 |
 
. |
mmonk |
Nov-08-09 12:13 AM |
#126 |

What a petulant little child |
bluestateguy |
Nov-07-09 11:54 PM |
#74 |

One great thing about this thread |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-07-09 11:56 PM |
#86 |
 
Yep. |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 12:26 AM |
#147 |
 
+1 |
leftstreet |
Nov-08-09 02:28 AM |
#197 |

I guess we have to take whatever crumbs they are willing to give us |
liberal_at_heart |
Nov-08-09 12:00 AM |
#96 |

Until we have the courage to stand with the likes of Dennis, we will never see true change |
debbierlus |
Nov-08-09 12:01 AM |
#100 |
 
More garbage |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:04 AM |
#104 |
  
Do you work for the Insurance Industry? |
Kansas Wyatt |
Nov-08-09 12:10 AM |
#119 |
 
I fucking despise the insurance companies |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:12 AM |
#123 |
  
I said that I was just asking. |
Kansas Wyatt |
Nov-08-09 12:25 AM |
#143 |
 
So do I |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:28 AM |
#148 |
 
Sorry, I just see it a lot like... |
Kansas Wyatt |
Nov-08-09 12:50 AM |
#170 |
 
I was wondering the same thing, Kansas Wyatt |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-08-09 12:12 AM |
#124 |
  
What would give you that idea? |
Kansas Wyatt |
Nov-08-09 12:21 AM |
#139 |
 
I was agreeing with you |
Libertas1776 |
Nov-08-09 12:28 AM |
#150 |
 
Sorry, I misread it. |
Kansas Wyatt |
Nov-08-09 12:52 AM |
#171 |
 
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-08-09 12:19 AM |
#136 |
 
They need something to bitch about. |
flvegan |
Nov-08-09 12:04 AM |
#106 |
 
Wake up. He's using you |
ecstatic |
Nov-08-09 12:07 AM |
#112 |
  
He won't be getting all that Insurance lobby money the dem "heroes" |
mmonk |
Nov-08-09 04:57 AM |
#232 |
 
Kucinich followers are to the Democratic Party what Tancredo followers are to the GOP |
WeDidIt |
Nov-08-09 12:10 AM |
#120 |
 
+1 |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-08-09 10:18 AM |
#286 |
 
This deserves its own thread. |
glitch |
Nov-08-09 11:27 AM |
#310 |

Remember when Kucinich voted yes for Christmas and Christianity? |
ProSense |
Nov-08-09 12:10 AM |
#121 |
 
He's finally jumped the shark this time |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:16 AM |
#132 |
 
I certainly disagree with him on those votes, but you just killed any claim that he is a "purist" |
Bjorn Against |
Nov-08-09 02:44 PM |
#384 |
 
Wow... those last two really surprise me. |
redqueen |
Nov-08-09 05:45 PM |
#439 |

Oh FUCK YOU DENNIS!!! You are no liberal, you are an attention-seeking bastard! |
Odin2005 |
Nov-08-09 12:17 AM |
#134 |
 
What is it with all the childish outvbursts and republican talking points from these guys? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 06:11 AM |
#240 |

All they have is mindless rage |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 10:02 AM |
#280 |

That's standard behavior for DLC. |
Individualist |
Nov-08-09 10:35 AM |
#296 |

It's the Third Way. Halfway less offensive than Republicans. Triangulation, doncha know. nt |
glitch |
Nov-08-09 11:34 AM |
#315 |

I get pissed of because people annoint this hypocrite as a saint. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-08-09 12:06 PM |
#331 |

No, they just understand nuance and that DK provides a needed contrast |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 03:46 PM |
#403 |

Kucinich is a sociopath. |
Scarsdale Vibe |
Nov-08-09 12:26 AM |
#145 |
 
He's let his 'cult' status go to his head - that's for sure |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 12:41 AM |
#167 |

Dennis is right again, if not exactly popular for it. |
juno jones |
Nov-08-09 12:31 AM |
#153 |

Rep. Kucinich is one of the FEW who are willing to stand up and tell the truth, despite |
bertman |
Nov-08-09 12:31 AM |
#155 |
 
Me too. |
knixphan |
Nov-08-09 01:06 AM |
#177 |

They're Winning - Private insurance companies push for 'individual mandate' - June 2009 |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-08-09 12:38 AM |
#163 |
 
Excellent post - it deserves its own thread |
debbierlus |
Nov-08-09 12:40 AM |
#166 |
  
Health plans' profits decline along with membership numbers - they need customers |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-08-09 01:13 AM |
#178 |
 
2MM x $500/month average premium |
zoff |
Nov-08-09 10:59 AM |
#301 |
 
it's true, the insurance companies are the real winners with this bill |
liberal_at_heart |
Nov-08-09 01:02 AM |
#176 |
  
They sure are :( n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-08-09 01:15 AM |
#180 |
 
Thanks for posting this, slipslidingaway. Please post as a separate thread. |
bertman |
Nov-08-09 11:59 AM |
#326 |

Who's 5 foot 7 and is going to lose his job |
Algorem |
Nov-08-09 12:59 AM |
#175 |

Purity Troll |
impik |
Nov-08-09 01:28 AM |
#182 |
 
Many bills were passed without him and the support of several Democrats... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-08-09 01:41 AM |
#184 |
 
Well, nothing bad would ever get done anyway. nt |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-08-09 01:56 AM |
#187 |
 
You;re sickening |
Fading Captain |
Nov-08-09 02:42 AM |
#204 |

I agree with him, too. |
Desertrose |
Nov-08-09 01:50 AM |
#185 |

Some of you are as bad as the Republicans--no principles, just party loyalty |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 02:07 AM |
#188 |
 
Yup, we think just like these "Republicans": |
ProSense |
Nov-08-09 02:16 AM |
#194 |
  
Yeah, but by and large, it was a bill that the Republicans could have supported |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 02:26 AM |
#196 |
 
All, but one, Republican voted against it. Kucinich is in good company. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-08-09 02:32 AM |
#199 |
  
The Republican opposition was THEATER |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 02:59 AM |
#212 |
 
I'm sure had McCain won they would have rallied to pass health reform with a public option. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-08-09 03:48 AM |
#220 |
  
Like this bill actually has a real public option that would be available to all comers? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 09:46 AM |
#274 |
 
exactly |
G_j |
Nov-08-09 04:07 AM |
#224 |
 
And if a Dem wasn't in office, they'd have vote a big yes on it. |
Desertrose |
Nov-08-09 02:47 AM |
#208 |
 
The Dittocratic Party |
Fading Captain |
Nov-08-09 02:43 AM |
#206 |
 
Couldn't agree more. We heard the same excuses for |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-08-09 03:56 AM |
#222 |
 
One of the best DU posts ever! |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-08-09 06:02 AM |
#238 |
  
+1 |
Individualist |
Nov-08-09 10:38 AM |
#298 |
 
And if it means not accomplishing a damned thing and voting with the GOP, |
tonysam |
Nov-08-09 03:52 PM |
#407 |

Yeah, we do |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 06:24 PM |
#450 |

k&r |
dana_b |
Nov-08-09 03:10 AM |
#215 |

Go Dennis! |
earth mom |
Nov-08-09 03:14 AM |
#216 |

Where Dennis and the party separate, he believes people are worth fighting for. |
Greyhound |
Nov-08-09 03:25 AM |
#217 |

KNR! |
wroberts189 |
Nov-08-09 03:35 AM |
#218 |

many of the complaints Kucinich rails on are addressed in this bill- i'm weary of his grandstanding |
BREMPRO |
Nov-08-09 03:44 AM |
#219 |
 
f that |
bkozumplik |
Nov-08-09 04:15 AM |
#227 |

Sorry Dennis, but I have to disagree this time. |
lonestarnot |
Nov-08-09 04:08 AM |
#225 |
 
Look someone in the party had to say it |
dschis |
Nov-08-09 02:54 PM |
#390 |

The party betrayed Dennis & the people with this stinking bill. |
Vidar |
Nov-08-09 04:45 AM |
#231 |
 
Actually, the party stood up for the people despite Kucinich. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-08-09 04:59 AM |
#233 |
  
By wanting to fine us and/or put us in jail if we don't buy insurance? |
Roland99 |
Nov-08-09 07:07 AM |
#246 |
   
Yeah, but that doesn't matter when there's an opportunity to hate on DK! |
Echo In Light |
Nov-08-09 07:25 AM |
#248 |
  
Whose going to buy my family's insurance? You? |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:51 AM |
#275 |
  
no, it didn't. N/T |
GreenArrow |
Nov-08-09 01:34 PM |
#359 |
 
Dennis has betrayed the party and has for years |
tonysam |
Nov-08-09 03:53 PM |
#409 |

knr right on Kucinich |
Mari333 |
Nov-08-09 06:01 AM |
#236 |

I don't get why this bill FORCES people to BUY |
pjt7 |
Nov-08-09 07:06 AM |
#245 |
 
Because the Insuance Companies wanted it that way |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:56 AM |
#276 |

Dennis may well be right but |
malaise |
Nov-08-09 07:17 AM |
#247 |

Dennis is the only center-leftist in Congress |
murdoch |
Nov-08-09 07:44 AM |
#249 |

If the bill fell one vote short I'd be pissed. |
Sky Masterson |
Nov-08-09 08:14 AM |
#253 |

I agree with Dennis, but... |
reprehensor |
Nov-08-09 08:54 AM |
#255 |

Would he have voted NO if he had been 218? Easy to throw stones from the cheap seats. |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 08:56 AM |
#256 |

k&r! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Nov-08-09 09:00 AM |
#257 |

K&R |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Nov-08-09 09:02 AM |
#258 |

Kucinich is one of the very few in Congress not owned by big corporations |
lib2DaBone |
Nov-08-09 09:24 AM |
#265 |
 
lotta corpora-phagists here, though |
BakedAtAMileHigh |
Nov-08-09 09:28 AM |
#268 |

I like to spell it corprophagist (it just just fits so well on so many levels) Welcome to DU! nt |
glitch |
Nov-08-09 11:38 AM |
#318 |

and by the time Kucinich's ideal of a healthcare bill comes to be, how many will have died? /nt |
still_one |
Nov-08-09 09:58 AM |
#277 |

I agree with everything he said, but... |
thesquanderer |
Nov-08-09 09:59 AM |
#278 |

Even if you favor the bill as a first step,, you have to admire his principles. nt |
woo me with science |
Nov-08-09 10:00 AM |
#279 |

Here lies the answer to a lot of America's problems: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 10:04 AM |
#281 |

Dennis is right. |
AzDar |
Nov-08-09 10:08 AM |
#283 |

Dennis should be our President. |
sellitman |
Nov-08-09 10:11 AM |
#284 |
 
He's tried twice and was stomped. |
saltpoint |
Nov-08-09 10:13 AM |
#285 |
  
He is one of the few fighting for us. |
sellitman |
Nov-08-09 10:19 AM |
#287 |
   
No outrage. But I wouldn't hand the ball over to someone who can't |
saltpoint |
Nov-08-09 10:21 AM |
#289 |
  
One man's "elbowing and negotiation, and collaboration" is another's man's SELLOUT |
sellitman |
Nov-08-09 10:26 AM |
#292 |
  
The Speaker of the House is a Democrat. Kucinich bolted with his |
saltpoint |
Nov-08-09 10:29 AM |
#294 |
  
Your labels are real cool. |
sellitman |
Nov-08-09 08:08 PM |
#467 |
  
No support from the corporations, there is no way anyone would ever be... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-08-09 10:20 AM |
#288 |
 
Sad to say it is a significant component in electoral victories, at least in |
saltpoint |
Nov-08-09 10:25 AM |
#291 |
 
God forbid |
tonysam |
Nov-08-09 03:54 PM |
#413 |

I feel like Alice in underhanded land! |
jotsy |
Nov-08-09 10:29 AM |
#295 |

Corporate America would not let Kucinich get near becoming |
Duval |
Nov-08-09 10:37 AM |
#297 |

Dennis is America's Congressperson. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 11:18 AM |
#304 |

Most people don't understand Dennis, because he is a man of the people... |
SnoopDog |
Nov-08-09 11:19 AM |
#305 |

He voted NO because he's a one-man party of NO? How will that vote help the 40,000 dying |
Honeycombe8 |
Nov-08-09 11:20 AM |
#306 |
 
he's saying don't settle for garbage and call it progress |
Skittles |
Nov-09-09 12:00 AM |
#499 |

SPHC or nothing. |
L0oniX |
Nov-08-09 11:24 AM |
#308 |

I agree. What came of this was removal of pre-existing conditions and |
davidwparker |
Nov-08-09 11:31 AM |
#313 |

Thanks Kucinich for voting against: |
ProSense |
Nov-08-09 11:41 AM |
#319 |

Said by a person who insurance is subsidized by our tax dollars. |
Mass |
Nov-08-09 11:43 AM |
#320 |
 
And a person who is trying to get all Americans the same health care he has |
Bjorn Against |
Nov-08-09 02:51 PM |
#389 |

So, do these people have to wait until Kucinich can decide enough of his colleagues. |
Mass |
Nov-08-09 07:13 PM |
#455 |

He is right - democrats are unprincipaled - this is obvious to voters |
scentopine |
Nov-08-09 11:56 AM |
#324 |

Misplaced idealism, the result of which, if successful, would have still left people to suffer. |
quiet.american |
Nov-08-09 11:58 AM |
#325 |

I just read this email from Dennis |
man4allcats |
Nov-08-09 12:17 PM |
#335 |

Thank You, Dennis Kucinich. |
bvar22 |
Nov-08-09 12:21 PM |
#336 |
 
Exactly, this bill is worse than what we have now. Change we can vomit on. |
Bushknew |
Nov-08-09 05:57 PM |
#443 |

Yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla, it's NOT intended to be the end but a BEGINNING ! SUPPORT IT YOU FOOL! |
RBInMaine |
Nov-08-09 12:27 PM |
#337 |

Dennis is a selfish little man. |
Aramchek |
Nov-08-09 12:41 PM |
#340 |

If Dennis' principles lead him to vote with republicans, that's his choice. |
Patriot 76 |
Nov-08-09 12:41 PM |
#341 |

WeDidIt and HughMoran, you couldn't sound more Republican if you tried. |
hulka38 |
Nov-08-09 12:49 PM |
#344 |
 
Naw just DLC types. They're pretty close thoough |
dschis |
Nov-08-09 02:56 PM |
#394 |

Thank you, Dennis. |
roody |
Nov-08-09 12:56 PM |
#346 |

An articulate, well-thought response to this corporate giveaway nonsense |
Stumbler |
Nov-08-09 12:57 PM |
#347 |

Good for him. |
Duncan |
Nov-08-09 01:15 PM |
#351 |

Once again |
billh58 |
Nov-08-09 01:18 PM |
#353 |

Kudos for Dennis for not wanting to eat this shit sandwich. |
Bushknew |
Nov-08-09 01:23 PM |
#354 |

here's the part that kills me: |
inna |
Nov-08-09 01:52 PM |
#362 |

I hope Obama does likewise and stands by his word. |
Duncan |
Nov-08-09 01:54 PM |
#364 |

Another K&R |
Cleita |
Nov-08-09 01:55 PM |
#366 |

It's a shame that America isn't mature enough for Dennis Kucinich. |
Gregorian |
Nov-08-09 01:59 PM |
#370 |
 
I'm moving to Europe I guess |
dschis |
Nov-08-09 02:58 PM |
#395 |
  
Rome is always burning. Europeans have more history, but they have their problems. |
Gregorian |
Nov-08-09 04:43 PM |
#425 |
 
I know |
dschis |
Nov-09-09 10:41 PM |
#513 |
 
My favorite forum on the internet is British. |
Gregorian |
Nov-10-09 11:48 AM |
#515 |
 
It's a shame Kucinich isn't mature enough for America n/t |
tonysam |
Nov-08-09 03:55 PM |
#415 |

You know that's not true. He authored the bill to impeach Cheney. |
Gregorian |
Nov-08-09 04:38 PM |
#422 |

ah... the know nothings... |
madrchsod |
Nov-08-09 02:07 PM |
#374 |

I wish I had a number of total number of health insurance employees in the country |
lxlxlxl |
Nov-08-09 02:46 PM |
#385 |

The Rule of 80-20 |
Zambero |
Nov-08-09 02:55 PM |
#392 |
 
Ahh, but we need the voice of opposition |
dschis |
Nov-08-09 03:06 PM |
#396 |
 
the rule of 80/20 |
kurtzapril4 |
Nov-08-09 05:14 PM |
#431 |

I have relatives in Germany |
dschis |
Nov-08-09 03:11 PM |
#397 |

k & r for the best Democrat standing, bar none. nt |
LWolf |
Nov-08-09 03:29 PM |
#399 |

God Bless you, Dennis |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-08-09 03:33 PM |
#400 |

Kucinich/Sanders '12 Take Back America! |
RoccoR5955 |
Nov-08-09 03:55 PM |
#414 |

The Problem is that If Kucinich's amendment was in the bill |
gholtron |
Nov-08-09 04:17 PM |
#417 |
 
Good grief, what a bunch of low-ambition codependents we have on this thread |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 06:28 PM |
#451 |

I share your frustration |
Skittles |
Nov-09-09 12:09 AM |
#502 |

K & R...again...Dennis Kucinich was right on.. |
winyanstaz |
Nov-08-09 04:24 PM |
#418 |

Some friends of mine just said... |
JaneFordA |
Nov-08-09 04:42 PM |
#424 |

Forgetting just one or two things though. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Nov-08-09 05:02 PM |
#429 |

Amen Kucinich! |
twitomy |
Nov-08-09 05:38 PM |
#435 |

As a person in the UK said today "what's the matter with them in America?" |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Nov-08-09 05:53 PM |
#441 |

All the folks who criticized Kucinich for saying |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 06:55 PM |
#454 |

K&R |
Eyerish |
Nov-08-09 07:24 PM |
#457 |

I support Dennins k*r |
autorank |
Nov-08-09 08:11 PM |
#468 |

He provided reasons and voted with his principles. |
pa28 |
Nov-08-09 09:18 PM |
#481 |

k&r for the Honorable Dennis Kucinich. |
Laelth |
Nov-08-09 09:33 PM |
#484 |

Sorry Dennis, I'm not buying it. Not one iota |
Zambero |
Nov-08-09 10:22 PM |
#490 |

you don't fucking get it |
Skittles |
Nov-09-09 12:02 AM |
#500 |

No, DK voted against |
billh58 |
Nov-09-09 01:02 PM |
#506 |