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Yehonala Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:52 PM
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"Good Christian" Hypocrisy
I am sick and tired of the hypocrisy of our 'Good Christian" Establishment. I'm not talking about the small churches that welcome you irrespective of anything about yourself, I'm talking about the churches and cookie-cutter people who go to them.

1) Jessica Simpson: Invokes "God", booze, and Twitter to deal with her current problems. This is a "Good Christian" girl who cheated on her husband, floated rumors that he abused her, tried to cheat him out of a fair divorce settlement (when he tried to make her sign a prenup, she refused because at the time he was the bigger star) and is supposedly now being used for sex by various celebrities. Still has family members chaperone her on dates as if she is a teenager. However, since she waited until marriage to have sex, she is a better person than most of us.

2) Televangelists: People who charge you gobs rather than like real Christians, who give you advice with no strings.

3) Students: Mon-Fri they are bullies, Friday and Saturday night trollops, but saints on Sundays.

4) People who leave things to "God's Will.": God didn't give us hands, feet, brains, and a soul for nothing. Don't give up and do nothing when things go wrong for you. People who blame God for things when go wrong and do nothing about it. Don't take a passive approach to problems and if you do, don't blame anyone but yourself for when things don't magically turn around.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:54 PM
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1. Yeah! What she said!
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 12:54 PM by rd_kent
What did you say?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:59 PM
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2. Partly the reason I am an Atheist
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:12 PM
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4. That the country isn't littered with smoking pairs
of Guccis and Bruno Maglis formerly occupied by moneygrubbing, pompadoured right wing preachers only confirms my other experience that there is no god. Certainly, there is no god that gives a damn about the goings on here on this little planet orbiting a mediocre star on the edge of a rather ordinary galaxy in the immensity of the universe.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:14 PM
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5. Well, that and how could a just god leave salvation up to a a crap shoot
Because honestly, its a crap shoot. Take any devout Christian, and if they were raised by say a Hindu family, they'd be Devout Hindus.

If the bible is correct, then god is a complete asshole and I want to work for Satan
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:32 PM
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9. Well said and so true. IMO christians need to get over themselves and
placement of themselves into a deluded state of mind of being so damn special in life. If they want that, fine... but I get tired of so many christians trying to push their agenda onto others.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:56 PM
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13. problem with that is, you are seeing
"god" through only your own mind. Just as many who invent scriptures, or twist those which already exist to conform to their own paradigm of how things are supposed to be- do.

We humans are but one part of life on this planet. And we, egocentric beings that we are, seem to think that everything that is/was/ or will be centers around our own limited understandings. It's a pretty limited understanding if we step back and really consider our 'place' in the scheme of things.

It's easy to blame 'god' for everything- even if we don't belive such a force exists. Then we aren't faced with unanswerable questions, and the crippling fear that accepting how much of 'life' will always remain outside our ability to control brings with it.


imo

:hi:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:22 PM
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18. No, I'm talking about the god they thunder about from their pulpits
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 03:24 PM by Warpy
who hates nearly all of us for one reason or another if we don't send money we can't afford to those preachers to bribe our way out of hell. I'm talking about the god who is intimately involved in human affairs, no matter how small. I'm talking about the god who commanded against idolatry, blasphemy and avarice.

Since those guys are happily blaspheming in the name of avarice and substituting the worship of money, I'm wondering why that all powerful god has been MIA for so long.

Perhaps you need to read a little more closely.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 03:59 PM
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19. so, if i'm reading YOU correctly, you cannot conceive
of any "god" other than the "god" you describe 'them' as promoting?

Your statement above says that the fact that their 'god' doesn't smote them for their disobedience along with your own 'experience' is reason enough for you to reject the possibility that a force aka: 'god' may actually exist?

I'll stand by my claim that your view is pretty myopic and egocentric. I can't be so quick or foolish to discount the distinct possibility that there is a hell of a lot more to 'life' on earth -which we humans cannot (as yet, if ever) comprehend, let alone control that exists. Look at the estimated age of the planet. How long have humans been around? Does the planet exist solely for "us"? Or are we not a 'part' of the whole?

FWIW, I'm not so sure how "happily" those guys are really living- the lust for money and control is not something I'd want to spend my life endlessly pursuing.

peace~
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:03 PM
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20. No, you're desperate to make a personal attack
because you can't conceive of talking about someone in his or her own terms.

That's your problem, not mine.

Nice strawman, though. Now take him out and play with him.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:19 PM
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23. no- actually,
I didn't intend any 'personal attack' at all. What I was trying to say was that if you are only allowing yourself to see the 'view' through a lens that you have tried on, and found faulty, don't let that cause you to think there isn't anything to be seen. If my earlier attempts to say this offended you- (and I can see in re-reading them how they could have) I apologize. Honestly.

I'm not the worlds best communicator but I keep trying - to learn from others and share my own thoughts.

no strawmen here, I'm not toying with you.

peace~
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:09 PM
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3. Feel better?
You seem to be complaining about a variety of things, some of which are very valid but some of which seem contradictory.

For example: you're upset if they act differently than they believe (1 and 3), but you're also upset if they act consistently with what they believe. (your number 4).
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:14 PM
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6. Thanks for not referring to it as ""Good *White* Christian" Hypocrisy
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:01 PM
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14. There's only so much generalisation one OP can handle
then DU's server melts.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:17 PM
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7. There is an old jewish saying (and will paraphrase here)
When you have done all you can with what God has given you, then is the time to pray for help.

Probably slaughtered the actual quote, but has been a long time since I read it.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:37 PM
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11. Never heard it.
But here's one, "If G-d lived on earth, people would throw rocks through His window."
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:42 PM
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16. I think mine was from Moses Maimonides
Which brings up fond memories of dover books :)
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:32 PM
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8. I've never really understood the God's will thing
Whether you believe someting happens out of coincidence or by God's will it is still a coin flip. My dad is constantly saying that if he prays hard enough that God will make it happen. When it doesn't happen he says God must have a reason for it not happening. How is that any different than just accepting things as they happen? If I want something I work towards getting it. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't happen. Whether you are expecting God to do something for you or you just do it yourself it is all a coin flip as to whether or not it will happen. So, I figure why depend on God to do something for me when I can just work towards what I want and accept what happens.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:36 PM
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10. Christianity = one huge rationalization. The one I loved as a kid was, "God
works in mysterious ways." ... was the typical BS line when all hell broke loose.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:09 PM
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21. Me neither...
If "God" is going to do what he wants to anyway, what the hell is the point in praying?

I mean, it all seems to make prayer nothing but "busy work" to keep the stupid humans busy until "God" decides what (if anything) he's gonna do.


:shrug:

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:44 PM
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12. "god" is the ultimate 'scape-goat'. For the 'religious' and 'atheist' alike-
There are those who call themselves religious and who use 'god' to excuse/blame anything and everything on.

There are those who call themselves atheists and who blame 'god' for everything and everything they dislike or cannot accept as what it is in both cases- The actions of an individual.

Many things influence our actions- but absolutely NOTHING can force us to do anything. We don't like this fact, but that doesn't change anything.

:shrug:

There is good and bad in every single one of us- and no amount of religion, or lack of it changes our own individual accountability.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 04:14 PM
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22. Wait a minute...
If Atheists don't believe in God, how can they blame stuff on something/someone they think does not exist?

Shit, I'm only a mongrel Agnostic/Atheist, and even I don't blame stuff on a God I'm not sure exists...

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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:03 PM
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24. they blame the religious
instead of the deity.

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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:12 PM
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15. OOoo, or people who subscribe to "The Excuse of Feminism" AND
"Christ the Soldier".

I'm sick of that kinda thing, too.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 02:44 PM
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17. 5) Jesus died for our sins, so we are forgiven no matter how many "mistakes" we make, nor
how bad those "mistakes" are.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:11 PM
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25. A spin-off of that...
When a religious person says, "Jesus died for your sins..."

whaaaaa??????


I didn't tell him to do that...why do I owe allegiance to someone who did something I never had a choice in?

Because if he HAD asked me, I'd have said, "Don't bother".

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:56 PM
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26. rofl!! . . . some "bother"!!!
:rofl: :rofl: . . . uh, maybe I'd better watch out for lightning . . . :yoiks:
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