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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:03 PM
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Dear SCOTUS: If you haven't had one, then you need to STFU. (caveat -- this one's personal)
There are things to make note of before wading into this extended post, folks...

First, this is the Salon story that triggered this particular personal essay: http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2007/04/18/federal_abortion_ban/index.html

Second, I know that there are a number of other threads on the overall topic of today's SCOTUS decision already posted on DU. But this essay's not really about the SCOTUS decision, that's just what triggered me to finally write it. And it's way too long to post as a comment to somebody else's thread anyway.

Third, this essay originally started off as what was intended to be a 7 or 8 paragraph comment to a long thread about the SCOTUS decision over on dKos. Yeah, right, so much for that. But this is something that I've been waiting to write about until the time was right, and apparently some part of me decided that today is finally the right time.

I debated a long time about whether I should post this here on DU or not. But ultimately I decided that the issue is too important for people to just go around thinking abstractly about, and if I can help give a voice to those who aren't saying what they feel about it, then that's what I should be doing. So make of it what you will.

-- M. Loutre



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One of the things that really, really chaps my ass is what a small percentage of the people bloviating away about abortions, on both the right and the left sides of the fence, actually have any first-hand experience with them.

I'm sorry, SCOTUS. I'm sorry, Dobson. I'm sorry, Bush. And I'm sorry, Fux Noise Channel. However...

If you ain't been there done that yourself, then you can't know. You just can't fucking know.

Being one of those non-uterine persons with a damaged Y instead of a fully-formed X for a second chromosome, I have not had and never will have an abortion procedure performed on my own body.

But the principle that abortions for those who would have them needs to be safe, rare, AND legal has never been a purely theoretical question for me -- not in either direction.

My first serious long-term lover was only alive and walking the planet because her mother got cold feet and changed her mind while sitting in the clinic's waiting room. My best friend in college made the same impossibly difficult decision, only she didn't get cold feet.

Ten years later I was one of the volunteers helping to shield harassed women running the gauntlet of neo-fascist rabble rouser Terry Randall's so-called Operation 'Rescue' and its so-called 'pro-life' protesters in Atlanta when they finally crossed over the line and started bombing the clinics there.

Near the end of the last millennium the abortion issue went from being no longer theoretical to no longer hypothetical to me. I was a deeply involved participant in, though of course not the ultimate decision maker in, that same kind of impossibly difficult, lose-lose, no-possible-good-can-come-from-this decision involving what would have been the only child that I'm ever likely to produce.

We sat up many a long and lonely/angry/anguished night over that dilemma, she and I. Sure, there would have been some logistical problems -- we weren't married, and she was already raising a son from her previous marriage -- but so what? Those can be daunting issues to deal with, but they're situational rather than moral ones, and we hashed out several different ways in which they could be dealt with successfully.

But there were medical concerns as well, and that's a lot more significant kettle of fish than whether the house is big enough for a third bedroom or not. She had a genetically-linked condition that required daily medication to keep under control, and one of the medications was clearly linked to birth defects and developmental disorders if a woman got pregnant while taking them.

Which, of course, she had. And before you go off on a canard side topic here -- yes, we were using the most reliable form of contraception available. Neither of us are idiots, not were we careless at the time. But even if something is 99.5% reliable, there's still that last remaining 0.5%. So we were the 1-in-200 far end of the statistical curve -- which, again, is also linked to birth defects and developmental disorders.

That's what ultimately tipped the scales for her, and by extension for both of us. We both felt that deciding to abort our child for logistical reasons would be morally, ethically, and psychologically wrong. Bear in mind, though, that we both had jobs, she owned a house, our lives were relatively stable. Others in worse straits than we were might not be able to see ways to juggle the extra responsibilities with any chance of success. So I'm certainly not passing judgment on anyone else's decisions in that regard, only ours.

However, in our case there were also multiple factors producing significantly higher odds that our child would likely have been born with medical problems. We talked long and hard about all those issues -- what's realistic to us, what's fair to the child, what's the available scenarios with the world around the child, etc. And then she made the final choice for all three of us. It was always hers to make, and I willingly supported her decision no matter what it might turn out to be; but in the end, she was the only one who could give it the final yea or nay.

So one day in April of that year I drove her to an unmarked medical office in a nondescript location off the beaten path where we lived at the time. We went inside, we met with the clinic's head nurse to make sure we both throughly understood what was about to take place and what we could expect in its aftermath. She signed a bunch of forms, I signed a few of them myself, and then the nurse ushered her inside past the reception desk window and I sat down to wait.

It wasn't that long a wait in real-world terms, I suppose. These things are fairly routine operations when they're performed safely and legally, so I'm thinking we were there maybe 90 minutes, certainly no more than 2 hours. But it seemed like a lifetime to me. And, in ways that I can never deny and never forget, it was exactly that.

The nurse helped her her back out to the waiting room, I helped her into the car and drove her home, and then I tended to her physical needs for the next day or so while she recovered from the operation. I tended to her emotional and spiritual needs for longer than that, of course. Or at least I tried to; there's no way now to be sure whether or how much I was effective at that part. She tried to do the same for me as well.

But there's only so many words that can be said, so many things that can be thought, so many tears that can be shed for so long. Ultimately, the only healing that can ever take place has to happen deep inside each one of us -- where we are, despite any mutual best intentions, ultimately alone in the dark with ourselves. And, as with so many other couples, our relationship ultimately did not survive the strain of this shared burden. (Although in all fairness, as with so many other couples, there of course were other fissures in that particular firmament as well.)

I am certain, given the realities of the medical issues, that it was the correct decision for us to make. Sometimes I have to remind myself of that, especially when the ghosts of might-have-been come calling. At such times it helps to recall that she told me afterwards she had seen the ultrasound image during the preparation stage, and it showed that things were not quite as they should have been for the nascent being that was inside of her.

I take her at her word about that extra bit of information, because it serves to reinforce my belief in our having made the correct decision at the time. I have to take her word for that, because I wasn't there in that room with her. Hell, I don't just have to take her word for it -- I need to.

Because it's April again now. The weather's warming, and the birds are starting to chirp, and it's finally outdoor weather after a long cold winter. And the son I'll never have would be old enough by now to play catch in the backyard with, old enough to take to the beach and teach how to swim, old enough to fly kites in the park with... well, you parents out there know the drill. And so do those of us who've never been parents, because we were all 8 years old once too.

You know, I've never written this story down anywhere before today, much less posted it in a public venue like Democratic Underground. I've only told it in person a few times over the years. For some odd reason it's not something that I'm eager to think about, much less discuss with others.

But then I hear some blowhard pontificating yet again about what abortion is and what it isn't, and what it means and what it doesn't mean, and how it's a coward's choice, an easy-way-out kind of decision that should be outlawed because the only people who choose it are merely selfish self-indulgent sinners against God and man, et cetera and so forth ad nauseum, and it's all right back in my face again.

You don't need me to describe my emotional reactions to that kind of bullshit bloviating. You can already tell what my intellectual reactions to it are just from reading this post.

Let's just say that anybody -- be they judge or preacher or pundit or politician -- who hasn't been on that operating table, who hasn't been in that waiting room watching the minutes tick away like hours, who hasn't been lying there in the dark at night trying with all their heart not to think about what might have been -- anybody who's never had to make that impossible decision themselves, anybody who's never been there done that in their own lives, well...

They (you, us, them, whatever) really, really need to just Shut The Fuck Up already.

Because if you ain't been there done that yourself, you can't know. You just can't fucking know.

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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:14 PM
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1. Thank you for sharing your story, Mloutre.
Kick, recommended and :hug:.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:19 PM
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2. thanks for posting. Did you see the personal story on Kos too?
It's these personal stories that make me question the purpose of the ban. Also makes me question wtf everyone was during the filibuster Kerry began and got slammed for.

http://dailykos.com/story/2007/4/18/164549/255

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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:50 PM
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4. wow, thanks for that link, ray
I hadn't seen that one before. It's very powerful. And the more people that learn about the human aspects of this instead of just making assumptions about the abstract angles, the closer we are to letting the sanity of medicine keep sway over the insanity of jingoism.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:24 PM
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3. Thank you. You're so right.
They don't know, and they cannot imagine what it is like. Too bad they refuse to talk to anyone and don't hang out here. They should read this.
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:51 PM
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5. Thank you for sharing
your story. You are so right about the pontificating of blowhards. I am so worried today that the repercussions of this decision by SCOTUS will be long felt in the future generations of women.

You helped many today by just sharing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:59 PM
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6. Thank you so much for this; you related your experience so
perfectly, and the heartache that you both experienced. There is a lot to be said for walking in someone else's shoes before making a decision as monumental as this. They should indeed STFU unless they've been there; their sanctimoniousness is sickening.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:07 PM
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7. Thank you for sharing this story, M Loutre
It's important that people come forward with real stories that defy the slogans. It's never as simple as the do gooders want us to believe.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:13 PM
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8. Well said ...
... well done!

:applause:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:15 PM
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9. I wish we could save this post
and bring it out whenever the wars develop on the web about the male view of abortion. This should then be re-posted and read again. It is heartfelt, emotional and oh so real. Thank you for reaching into yourself and sharing this. It's important to read stories like this and remember that abortion is a painful subject.

I remember that one clinic visit. That story started with, "He's married you know. I can't do this. I can't let anyone know. My father will beat me and then throw me out of the house. It happened with my cousin. I can't do this. I can't." Yeah, it's still like that sometimes.
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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 03:47 AM
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20. You can, actually.
I've got no problem with that. Bookmark it and refer back to it any time you think that reading it might help convince somebody to think before they rant about something they have no personal experience with.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:33 PM
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10. Thanks for sharing this. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 09:11 PM
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11. This post spraypaints the wall of the Supreme Court's mistake of earlier
today with vivid, vivid color.

Just a terrific post. Hard-hitting and true-spirited.

K&R, definitely.
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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 09:39 PM
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12. Really well written and moving
MLoutre. And I do identify, for many reasons, not the least of which is that I adopted a child who I am grateful was not aborted, but who struggled her short life with issues directly traceable to her birth mother's ambivalence and denial. We have so much work to do on supporting the living children we have; I just want to scream at people who care only for the unborn.

Also Barney Slepian was a good friend of my Dad's, and the tragic loss of a such a compassionate and committed doctor in the misguided belief that the killer was SAVING anyone still gets my blood going.

Thank you for your support of sanity and choice.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 10:45 PM
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13. This one's personal, too
Although I worked in a clinic that performed abortions for several years, I know only one woman who ever had an intact D&E (the correct medical term for a "partial birth abortion"). No, she wasn't a patient: she was a friend.

She was (and is) a deeply religious conservative Christian, though she never shoved her religion down anyone else's throat. Personally, she was opposed to abortion, but again, was never strident about her beliefs.

Half-way through a much anticipated and planned pregnancy, she went in for a routine ultrasound. The test showed that her fetus had a catastrophic medical condition that would undoubtedly kill it at birth, if not before. After a lot of soul searching, she and her husband decided to terminate the pregnancy. Instead of going for a D&E, which would be the standard procedure for her stage of pregnancy, she decided on an intact D&E, so that an autopsy could be done to determine if the fetus had any other genetic defects that could effect her children, or any future pregnancies. It's fortunate that she did; the fetus had a rare, devastating genetic disorder that tends to recur in families with a history of one effected child.

She had herself sterilized, and she and her husband adopted a child from overseas.

So to those who say "I would never have an abortion, and neither would anyone in my family", I say: think again. You don't know what you'd do until it happens to you.

Circumstances like hers happen rarely, but they do happen. And the decision is never easy.

She had the good luck to have the option she did. Now the SCOTUS has taken it away from any one else faced with the same agonizing dilemma.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 11:15 PM
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14. This is one of my all-time favorite DU posts,
bar none. People who have never been there should take a heaping helping of STFU.

Life is more complex than many neo-neanderthals (actually, I think I'm short-changing neanderthals here) would like to believe.

Your story moved me. Thank you so much for your amazing insight to such a difficult situation.

Peace.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 11:31 PM
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15. Thanks for your post
and once again, you are 100% correct--those who have never been in such a position should stay the fuck out of the argument. It makes me recall the photo several years ago when congress signed off on the partial-birth abortion ban, and the signers were all white middle-aged men.

My own story is from the other side of the picture: born in 1956, my mother was pretty much what we might consider a whore nowadays--she had like 7 babies, the only one she acknowledged was the oldest one, and she gave away or sold the rest--I happened to be one of the "giveaways" who went to my biological mother's brother to be raised. My grandmother got tired of sending her away someplace to have a baby, because of course single mothers were looked down on back then, and an abortion was out of the question. Once a guy asked me if I wasn't glad that abortion had been illegal, because otherwise I wouldn't have been born, and I answered him as simply as I could: I said why should I be glad because I was born--if an abortion had been possible, I wouldn't be in existence, and how could I judge something if I didn't exist in the first place?

You would think I might support the anti-choice group because of that, but my stance is that every one is an individual and choices are made by people for their own reasons, and that's what "choice" means. If these people would stop trying to make their choice OUR choice, the world would be a much happier and peaceful one.
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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:57 AM
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23. That story is *so* compelling
And your mindset towards that part of your own backstory is so wise and well-balanced that we reading your comment can only stand back and wonder whether any of us would have the inner strength to say the same thing were we in similar circumstances.

Thank you for sharing that with us.
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woz Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 11:58 PM
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16. Thanks M. Loutre
Thanks for your story. How hard it must have been for you to relive this in order to write it. Your anger and grief are so deeply expressed that I feel privileged to have read your words. How right you are ..... when we walk in the shoes of any who have had to make the choice, we may have reason to discuss it. However, it is my thinking that every pair of shoes has walked a different road and the only person with the right to make a decision is the owner of those shoes.

It always strikes me as odd that the people who cry the loudest over abortion, are the first to send our grown sons and daughters to their deaths in a war that need never have begun.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:43 AM
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24. Hi woz!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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flying_monkeys Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:05 AM
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17. I appreciate the male perspective, greatly.
Thank you so much for sharing this!

Too often, the only stories told are by the females (and well, let's just say they don't resonate with the male half that well). It is SO nice to have a man tell his late abortion story - - maybe the guys on the USSC will listen to YOU!


Thank you again.
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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 04:34 AM
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21. That's why I decided to write about it here.
There are a number of even more personal and impassioned stories in the threads from women who have had to deal with these impossible choices, of course, but nobody ever seems to talk about what it's like on the male side of this great divide. I do realize that my reaction to this situation is atypical in several ways -- let's just say that I was the only supportive partner sitting in that waiting room during the procedure, though not the only male person there who'd accompanied someone else there to have the procedure. That seemed out of balance to me at the time, and it still does today.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:29 AM
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18. Kick -- for the high, high level of writing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 01:13 AM
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19. So agree, so excellent. This should be an Op-Ed in a major paper. nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:14 AM
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22. Thank you for sharing your personal story
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:48 AM
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25. Thank-you for sharing
Bless you :hug:
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 03:42 PM
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26. when I saw that pic whith the bunch of white men signing this bill?
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 03:44 PM by The Count
I remember having seen it at the time and my blood froze with the realization of their contempt.


reading your post brought it all back. Thank you for sharing it.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 04:12 PM
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27. kick
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 04:23 PM
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28. Though I Appreciate Your Passion, I Fail To See How This Relates To The SCOTUS Ruling Yesterday.
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 04:25 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
Though you said the SCOTUS decision only sparked your essay, I still need to gear my response towards that only since that's the current situation.

One needs not have the ability to have an abortion performed on them to arrive at the conclusion that D&X partial birth abortion procedures are brutal and unnecessary or safe and required. This is a much narrower argument then abortion itself, as it argues only a type of late term abortion that is monumentally brutal in its implementation. It is not just an argument about a woman's rights and the implication that men have no say in the matter is completely disingenuous. This argument is more about the unborn child and its rights. You seemed to be focusing only on the woman's rights as if the unborn child's rights don't exist whatsoever. But obviously the court and others disagree with that concept and take the unborn child's rights into account as well.

So I disagree strongly with the sentiment of "STFU if you're a man" in the terms of this narrow debate on a type of abortion, since gender has no relevance on the question of whether this brutal method of abortion is necessary or not.

Personally I'm a bit torn on the issue myself. I can understand the need for women to have as many safe and viable choices as possible, and this restriction on that is a bit troubling; but I also think the D&X practice itself is a monumentally brutal one that no civilized society should feel the need to have to partake in. So in the end I'm a bit torn on the decision, since personally I think it's good that this procedure will be banned, but I also don't like the fact that in order to do so it had to infringe on women's rights a bit. But regardless, I still find a statement of "Hey STFU, you're not a woman!" to be all sorts of flawed.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:38 PM
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29. Wow. Just wow.
Are you sure that you are on the right board? I expect progressively-minded individuals to be supportive of reproductive rights. In my opinion, the banning of the procedure is directly related to attempted weakening of "Roe v. Wade." It directly attacks the requirement that procedures be available for the woman's health.

This procedure is rarely used, and, when it is, there are extremely valid reasons for it. My friend is an ob-gyn, and this will seriously impact this specialist's ability to handle these rare and unique situations.

As far as I'm concerned, the "unborn" aren't human beings, aren't citizens, and don't have any legal or fundamental rights.

I think that the point is, if you think that it's brutal, don't have the procedure (or encourage your partner not to have it); but, it is UNCONSCIONABLE that social conservatives want to tell my ob-gyn what medical procedures to use, particularly when the issue is NOT my safety.

Take a look at the signing picture above. All you see is WHITE MEN. That's because what this is really about is CONTROL OF WOMEN. I have read the writings of the men pictured. By and large, they believe that a woman should SUBMIT to her husband. They are part of Booosh's base, and need to be catered to; they want a patriarchal, class-rigid society. That is why you won't see anyone other than a theocrat in the picture. Who is pictured is very revealing - and tells us that the Act is really about SUBJUGATING WOMEN.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:04 PM
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30. How soon we forget...
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 07:25 PM by bliss_eternal
...how long ago was it that someone, was it you...was saying, "I don't post in every minority thread..."? Oh and that you aren't dismissive.

Um, yeah, right. :eyes: Thankfully I didn't give it any credence when you said it.

Let's be clear. Until you provide that paperwork that states you've successfully undergone sex change surgery and are taking female hormones, AND have lived no less than FIVE years as a woman, I and most other women on this board will continue to ignore your OPINIONS.

That's how much your dismissals of the op mean to me. But I know what joy it brings you for me to let you know that--so there you are.

Hoping your fingers don't cramp on your keyboard while you type out your novel length reply. :)



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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:27 AM
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32. Just saw this!
Edited on Fri Apr-20-07 01:28 AM by Maat
Very well-put, Ms. Bliss_eternal!

I'm glad that I re-read this thread before going to bed.

Powerful. I took notes on some of the experiences. They will help me even more to humanize the situation in discussions with the truly ignorant (the ignorant ones that I frequently encounter, that is)(not anyone in particular).

Thank you, Dedicated DU Progressives, for standing up for reproductive rights!



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colinmom71 Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:43 AM
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33. I agree with one of your statements...
That one not need be a woman to have a valid opinion on abortion laws (after all, it was a panel of men on the Supreme Court who ruled on Roe v. Wade). But your statement of D&X as "monumentally brutal" makes me wonder if you've ever actually read the surgical protocol on ID&X (as it's known now).

Or have you only read the "PBA" version of how ID&X is performed? Such as the depiction of the fetus's skull being "smashed in" or "crushed", which is not at all true. The "PBA" description would also have us believe that a huge hole is crashed into the skull and the brain is "sucked out", which also is not true. The "PBA" description would also have us believe that all this occurs while the fetus is still alive. Well, according to reports on physicians who perform these procedures I've read over the years, this also is not true.

With an actual ID&X, the fetus is euthanized via injection before the actual surgery. The fetus is then partially removed through the dilated cervix, a small incision is made at the base of the skull into the meningeal sac, excess cerebrospinal fluid (and sometimes part of the meningeal sac and some soft brain tissue) is suctioned out through the incision by a small suction catheter. This decompresses the cranium and allows for the restof the fetal body to pass safely through the cervix. While it's not nice to hear, ID&X is actually a far more humane and gentle procedure than D&E, where the fetus is dismembered with forceps and removed from the uterus. Heck, fetal surgeriees to repair certain fixable medical problems like diapragmatic hernias, etc. are more harsh procedures on a fetus than a 2cm incision in the neck.

And in some instances, ID&X is the safer option for the woman's health, such as with women with bleeding disorders diagnosed as having a fetus with severe hydrocephaly. Now, that doesn't mean that another procedure can not be performed to acheive the same end (abortion). But the ID&X presents the fewest risks for serious complications for women with certain medical problems. This ban just ties doctors hands in being able to give their patients the best options for their particular health challenge.

By the way, the language of the "PBA" ban is rooted in the language of the "PBA" propoganda. Because the PBA ban is worded as banning a procedure that is an "overt act" that kills the fetus by crushing the skull, etc. while the fetus is still alive, the law in fact bans nothing. ID&X is neither properly described or even named as a banned procedure in the bill, so while the legislative intention was to ban a procedure, the result wound up being that they technically banned a fictional entity...
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