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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:36 AM
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heard from my sis at Ft. Hood again. two things
1. she said that at the base they are being told that there were 3 people aside from Hasan that were being held. two have been cleared and released from custody, one is still being held, and that Hasan is being treated and in custody.


2. she has not heard anything about him screaming "Allahu Akbar", but she has heard from several people, including soldiers who were brought in that had been shot that she was treating, that they heard him saying, "I'm not fucking going!"

also:

In news interviews Friday, the base's commander, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, said witnesses have reported that the gunman yelled "Allahu Akbar" -- Arabic for "God is great" -- during the rampage. Cone said investigators had not confirmed that.


link: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/texas.fort.hood.sho...

i don't have any theories or speculation.
just passing on what i'm hearing.







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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:40 AM
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1. Allahu Akbar sells the package better
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 11:40 AM by LynneSin
Extremist Muslim can be packaged and sold on the nightly news. Disgruntled soldier who is overstressed and doesn't want to server is a tough sell.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:42 AM
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3. another subject, but related: does anyone know if Straight Story heard from his son?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:44 AM
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5. Sure does, and is far removed from the implications of "I'm not fucking going!"
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:45 AM
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7. !
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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:29 PM
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25. Seriously, when I hear that, I thought it was bullshit.
Just an easy way to make it a "them versus us" issue.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 04:32 PM
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26. And I'm not fucking going
is really bad PR for recruiters.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:40 AM
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2. If the powers that be can milk it for war, they will. At least, that's SOP. nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:42 AM
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4. Thank you, SB
Fear and panic during a time of danger can cause people to think they see and think they hear almost anything. Different people who witness the exact same event can and often do give different versions on what took place.

We won't know until we do know.

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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:45 AM
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6. exactly. too much happened yesterday, and it will take a few days,
maybe weeks to sort through all the mucky details.

my sis was very clear though, several soldiers heard him screaming "I'm not fucking going!" several times.



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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:49 AM
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And consider the track record re overall aim & honesty of the M$M outlets shaping 'facts'
The 'official' story will change several times until its honed down sufficiently to 'sell' the perception that Power wants sold, and to bury the rest.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:47 AM
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8. Thanks for the update. How is your sister holding up?
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:49 AM
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9. said when she took her boots off last night they were filled with blood.
she didn't sleep last night, but has since taken a nap.

she's not shaken up by the blood in terms of the procedures handling gun shot wounds. she's shaken up by the fact that it happened.

she said everybody is. she's going to counseling sometime this afternoon.



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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:52 AM
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10. :^( Yeah, the trauma of the experience must be reverberating throughout the entire base.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:55 AM
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11. she sounds like she's holding up well enough.
we keep texting her to let her know we're here. basically some normalcy for her.



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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 11:57 AM
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12. That's good. :^) I hope everyone else has such a good support system in place, expecially those who
lost a friend or loved one in the shooting. I can't imagine what this must be like for the spouses and kids left behind.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:04 PM
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21. How far is your family from your sister?
It's wonderful that you all are helping her through this. I cannot imagine the torment that would come with having witnessed yesterday.

I'm glad your sister is holding up.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:32 PM
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13. That confirms the report I heard this a.m. He was about to be
deployed.
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:40 PM
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14. Yeah, but one murder would've done the trick.
Or even an armed robbery. Crap. He didn't need to turn an Army base into a slaughterhouse.
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KathyTeaches Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:41 PM
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15. Or shoot himself in the freaking foot. NT
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:51 PM
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16. True but he got his point across. n/t
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:48 PM
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23. Somebody on MSNBC
said that he spoke of his admiration of suicide bomber tactics to take out enemy soldiers.

Looks like he chose his religion over "his" Army, so the more he killed, the better, in his sick mind.

He most certainly should be tried for treason.
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KathyTeaches Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:55 PM
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17. Actually, it's second-hand info at best
and doesn't confirm anything yet. Still early.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 12:56 PM
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18. Then stay tuned for more "second hand" info. n/t
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KathyTeaches Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:02 PM
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19. I'm sure there will be lots
Confusion is normal in situations like this.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 01:56 PM
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20. So the choice was: refuse orders or shoot up a place.
I guess the clear choice for this guy was not refusing orders because, you know, he was a "good soldier". :banghead:



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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:06 PM
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22. the 'allahu akbar' could very well be a media creation...makes for more punditry
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 02:51 PM
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24. And fits the right-wing fear mongering message so well
At this point, it doesn't matter what he said - the news has already put the "allahu akbar" out there and most people are running with it as fact.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:17 PM
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27. He didn't want to go it is not going to be more complicated than
that! Trying to evaluate and psychoanalyze what went wrong with this guy. This guy had problems from the get go of his military career and he should have been kicked out.

I am glad your sister is okay!!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 05:21 PM
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28. MAJOR fuck-up on Cone's part.
If if it happened, he should have never release that.

He's given the xenophobes plenty of ammo, and probably did some serious harm to the cohesiveness of units with Muslims in it - not to mention the safety of Muslim troops.
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susanr516 Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 10:38 PM
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29. I am so glad your sister is ok
She was a real hero, someone who did whatever they could to help. Please tell her how much I admire her courage.
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