Per ABCnews: shooter is Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan

Ft. Hood has been targeted by impotent wet dreamers who have been arrested.

I just vaguely remember the story from some years ago.

The only surprise is that the guy is military.

An Arab sounding soldier. Fox seems happy now

Was shot by a civilian police officer.

him summarily executed.

I know I do. This is a horrific crime.

Hopefully that will make you feel much better.

:crazy:

like this need to be subjected to. I have NO complaint about his being shot.

should be "summarily executed"? wow. Kestrel, shame on you. Maybe you had no clue.

See if you can figure out any reasons for him going insane.

A butterbar is a Junior officer...majors still say yes sir no sir three bags full

As in he or less likely she writes those operational plans? That is brass... Colonels are at times involved in that and Lt. Colonels are at times aides to those who write those plans.

Majors are still in the place where they carry them out.

I keep forgetting that.

which means they make a heck of alot of decisions.

based on those operational plans does not mean writing them.

And that is my point.

Now some officers and enlisted violate standing orders under circumstances, and WE teach our soldiers to think on their feet. When that happens and it works, they are heroes... when it does not.... well then...

Because I know nothing about the military, I only served in it.
:eyes:

And usually, by the time you make Major, you have invested over 10 years into service are a career soldier.

in fact, MID GRADE...

I got the bad quality, moldy bread if you get me drift...

They just get the fresh bread...

You start really getting the good stuff in the shit sandwiches at the one star level... a few birds.

When I made E-7, "Wow, I can have an open face sandwich now."

especially to be doing something like this. I would assume a young enlisted guy would be more apt to snap. :shrug:

and as an E-1 you will salute a trash can... if ordered to do so... trust me I know.

I can't wait to hear the back story on this one.

Could have joined in his late 20's. Could have been a mustang. Could have been a MD. Could have been in a slo mo MOS. Could have been passed over.

Insufficient data.

(typo)

what he appears to have. Not so much a comment on age vs. rank. But I might be wrong about that in which case I agree with your explanation.

Statistically, yes not as likely, but certainly not unknown or even that rare.

those are slower to go up the food chain.

:hi:

The age + responsibility factor just surprises me.

Active duty, not retired. Not sure who he pissed off during his career...

Of course I don't want to spoil any neighborhood gossip...

people are flawed. BRASS is not exempt.

What would be the difference? Nothing.

to exhibit bizarre behavior, but not career officers?

Classist point of view.

surprise that someone other than an enlisted man can perform in such a bizarre manner.

Officers are people too, subject to the same failings as are all people.

While the combination surprises me, it is the age factor that got my initial intention.

But feel free to randomly put me in whatever box you like.

the post I was responding to.

Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-05-09 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. They will focus on his name. I am more concerned that he was
a career officer.

Sorry.

There is the danger of people attacking Muslims. And there are political ramifications.

Innocent people may be attacked soon for the name alone.

I mean, his name is his name...some people here seem to be suggesting it shouldn't be made public - for some bizarre reason. Evidently HE was satisfied with it.
:eyes:

or suffering from a pyschosis or rage of some sort with no thoughts beyond what they are currently engaged in (that is the majority whether this incident or Columbine or Va Tech or at the UU Church in Tenneesee). If you jump to conclusions before knowing facts as to motive, you set yourself up on the possibility of being wrong. If he did it because of being Religion related, we will find out. However, it is not transferable to others on the basis of religion unless being Christian is tied to being other mass shootings by Christians. Any talk of justification of murder of the innocent as a result of this being on the perpetrator of this crime is bigotry, not reason.

goosebumps thinking about what the whackos are gonna do.

wonderful souls and don't have a violent bone in their bodies.

I FEAR that the right wing nut-bags are going to go forth with more hate crimes. :cry:

But Cliff Van Zant is on a tear. ASSHOLE!

But Clint Van Zant is on a tear. ASSHOLE!

No thanks to reporters such as the one invoked here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

This is the last thing we need.

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Have they released the other shooters' names yet?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shooti...
<snip>
Fort Hood is home to the Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program, which is designed to help soldiers overcome combat stress issues.
</snip>

I wonder if he was on base for this reason? :shrug:

Please let this be a case of Ol Jody doing his thing

More people go nuts than just this one guy.

They can run all day with the fact that this guy had an "arabic sounding name" and ratchet up their fear & propaganda campaign. They don't need facts or investigation - it's already started.

If it wasn't for these endless wars, maybe the Major wouldn't have snapped? Maybe he had PTSD!

The only one on Faux news who would.

I haven't seen anything yet.

Sorry, am listening but have not heard about this yet.

Has that phrase hit the the screen yet?

...with the key difference of, oh, around 2,968 dead.

:eyes:

Only this time they won't rally behind the president.

or maybe tripleplusungood

Because of a family connection there or something.

He has almost guaranteed that life will become even more hellish for his family and fellow Iraqis in this country unless Obama is able to nip this in the bud starting now. It's time to roll out one of his powerful speeches. He needs to do a full court press with his upper brass and Gates to settle this thing down starting yesterday.

that wouldn't make as much of a statement.

Has there some report about his ancestry or background that indicates he's iraqi?

Officials say a shooting suspect at Fort Hood has been identified as Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan, who they say was an Army mental health professional.

A law enforcement official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

A defense official speaking on condition of anonymity says Hasan was a mental health professional — an Army psychologist or psychiatrist.

It was not known whether he was treating people at the base...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6705820....

...A source tells CBS News investigative producer Len Tepper that Hasan is a licensed psychiatrist in Bethesda, Md. He is a drug and rehab specialist who got his Virginia psychiatry license July 12, 2005...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main...

One lone nut who is alive and in stable condition at the hospital and has been surrounded by military investigators since he was brought in and apparently is still refusing to answer questions. The female civilian officer who shot him isn't dead either and after surgery is in stable condition.

Lots of misinformation in this case, but I suppose that in such a huge event with so many dead and wounded that would happen.

This just got a lot more interesting...	bluestateguy	Nov-05-09 05:20 PM	#1
It just got a lot more distressing. The last thing we need is more	cali	Nov-05-09 05:21 PM	#4
Not to me.	Warpy	Nov-05-09 05:42 PM	#43
Just what the wackos wanted	Thrill	Nov-05-09 05:21 PM	#2
The shooter is BRASS?	slampoet	Nov-05-09 05:21 PM	#3
Soon to be HANGED brass.	kestrel91316	Nov-05-09 05:22 PM	#6
He's already dead.	Hell Hath No Fury	Nov-05-09 05:23 PM	#10
That's a shame. I would have like a peek at his thoughts before seeing	kestrel91316	Nov-05-09 05:37 PM	#37
You just can't get enough can you?	arcadian	Nov-05-09 06:07 PM	#73
You don't want to know what he was thinking or his motivations?	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 06:09 PM	#75
The civilian police officer was also killed today.	Zywiec	Nov-05-09 06:09 PM	#77
The "summarily executed" part was not sarcasm. It is what people	kestrel91316	Nov-05-09 06:46 PM	#96
People mentally ill from what they experienced in military who kill others	uppityperson	Nov-05-09 09:21 PM	#100
psychiatrist doing traumatic stress counseling, not wanting to go to Iraq.	uppityperson	Nov-05-09 09:20 PM	#99
O-4 is hardly brass	nadinbrzezinski	Nov-05-09 05:22 PM	#7
Tell that to a 2nd Lt.	raw oysters	Nov-05-09 05:26 PM	#17
Field Grade... you join the brass at O-5 and just as an aside	nadinbrzezinski	Nov-05-09 05:30 PM	#
Says who? n/t	tabasco	Nov-05-09 05:38 PM	#38
You tell me an O-4 makes the decisions?	nadinbrzezinski	Nov-05-09 05:43 PM	#45
That's right. No officer below Bird Colonel is allowed to make decisions.	raw oysters	Nov-05-09 05:50 PM	#54
You all should be aware that an O-4 can have a Command,	Sukie	Nov-05-09 05:53 PM	#59
OF course but following Operational Plans and making decisions	nadinbrzezinski	Nov-05-09 05:59 PM	#64
Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic.	raw oysters	Nov-05-09 06:00 PM	#66
A Major is not considered a junior officer though.	Sukie	Nov-05-09 05:51 PM	#55
Why I said FIELD GRADE	nadinbrzezinski	Nov-05-09 06:00 PM	#65
A major is a field grade officer n/t	Zywiec	Nov-05-09 05:53 PM	#57
Sorry but O-5 and O-6's eat their share of shit sandwiches; the bread is just better. n/t	sarge43	Nov-05-09 05:57 PM	#61
Fully agreed	nadinbrzezinski	Nov-05-09 06:01 PM	#67
Yup	sarge43	Nov-06-09 07:37 AM	#102
I was in the military as enlisted and a Major is high ranking to me.	jonnyblitz	Nov-05-09 06:10 PM	#78
People snap has nothing to do with rank	nadinbrzezinski	Nov-05-09 06:24 PM	#88
Or any enlisted. n/t	sarge43	Nov-05-09 05:33 PM	#32
qft	d_b	Nov-05-09 05:35 PM	#36
39yo Major? MAJOR?	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 05:23 PM	#9
Nothing odd about that.	sarge43	Nov-05-09 05:39 PM	#40
I think he meant it's very strange that a Major and/or a man of that age could have done	raw oysters	Nov-05-09 05:48 PM	#52
Point taken	sarge43	Nov-05-09 06:02 PM	#68
Could be Guard too	nadinbrzezinski	Nov-05-09 06:04 PM	#70
Yes - thank you for restating that for me.	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 06:11 PM	#79
my neighbor is 51 and an Army Major	lanlady	Nov-05-09 06:30 PM	#91
Maybe he was prior service enlisted before becoming an officer?	Zywiec	Nov-05-09 06:34 PM	#93
Say what? BRASS is made up of people too, and sometimes	Obamanaut	Nov-05-09 05:25 PM	#14
His name could be John Smith	Cali_Democrat	Nov-05-09 05:22 PM	#5
Difference is everything for the Fox News Nuts	Thrill	Nov-05-09 05:23 PM	#8
They will focus on his name. I am more concerned that he was	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 05:23 PM	#12
As in career enlisted men (or even non career) can be expected	Obamanaut	Nov-05-09 05:28 PM	#21
I don't think mass murder of your own peers is merely "bizarre behavior"	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 05:30 PM	#28
Kinda glossed over the classism question though. It looks like	Obamanaut	Nov-05-09 05:34 PM	#35
If you are going to shoehorn me, call me ageist, not classist.	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 05:42 PM	#44
My bad. You're right. I must have missed the age reference in	Obamanaut	Nov-05-09 08:56 PM	#98
The difference is huge. There are many people who will exploit this.	cali	Nov-05-09 05:24 PM	#13
In a nation like ours under current times, it makes a big difference.	mmonk	Nov-05-09 05:28 PM	#22
Maybe he should have considered that before offing a dozen soldiers.	raw oysters	Nov-05-09 05:47 PM	#49
Looking at mass shooters of recent past, they are usually too depressed	mmonk	Nov-06-09 08:13 AM	#105
Not. True.	aquart	Nov-05-09 05:30 PM	#31
This is going to get ugly, folks. [n/t]	stranger81	Nov-05-09 05:23 PM	#11
I'm pretty sure it got ugly a few dozen gunshot wounds ago. (nt)	Posteritatis	Nov-05-09 05:48 PM	#51
shit	DearAbby	Nov-05-09 05:25 PM	#15
Geeze...here we go. nt	Bobbie Jo	Nov-05-09 05:25 PM	#16
Oh brother, I fear for my friends of Arabic ancestry. The people I know are	ShortnFiery	Nov-05-09 05:26 PM	#18
My fear as well... n/t	Daphne08	Nov-05-09 05:50 PM	#53
Faux must be orgasmic.	graywarrior	Nov-05-09 05:27 PM	#19
For all of Tweety's faults, he's not taking the bait of the man's last name "sounding Arab"	ShortnFiery	Nov-05-09 05:30 PM	#26
For all of Tweety's faults, he's not taking the bait of the man's last name "sounding Arab"	ShortnFiery	Nov-05-09 05:30 PM	#27
Tweety is being pretty responsible about this	Neecy	Nov-05-09 05:39 PM	#39
I expect a backlash	Zomby Woof	Nov-05-09 05:27 PM	#20
I expect a quick "I told you so" from the Dick	Chemisse	Nov-05-09 05:30 PM	#30
this didn't take long: Jihadwatch...	gmoney	Nov-05-09 05:28 PM	#23
Nice site (insert sarcsam tag here)	Sebastian Doyle	Nov-05-09 05:33 PM	#33
They're as evil because they encourage hate crimes against Muslims.	ShortnFiery	Nov-05-09 05:33 PM	#34
What about the other ones?	redqueen	Nov-05-09 05:29 PM	#24
According the the CNN.com story:	Dennis Donovan	Nov-05-09 05:29 PM	#25
Yes, he was a psychiatrist working with them, soon to ship out to Iraq	uppityperson	Nov-05-09 09:22 PM	#101
DADT soon to be expanded to Muslims.	MNDemNY	Nov-05-09 05:30 PM	#29
Oh fuck	Beacho	Nov-05-09 05:39 PM	#41
I hope repugs don't cause a backlash on muslims..	Xenotime	Nov-05-09 05:41 PM	#42
This is their dream scenario, sad to say	TornadoTN	Nov-05-09 05:46 PM	#48
Yep, like they always do. Fuck Republicans.	krabigirl	Nov-05-09 06:26 PM	#89
Uh-oh. nt	quiet.american	Nov-05-09 05:44 PM	#46
Shep would not even say his name yet and is actually handling this well	Jennicut	Nov-05-09 05:45 PM	#47
He's from Virginia, and later converted	HipChick	Nov-05-09 05:48 PM	#50
Any word on the other suspects yet?	TornadoTN	Nov-05-09 05:52 PM	#56
So he converted TO Islam, correct?	lildreamer316	Nov-05-09 05:54 PM	#60
This is Obama's 9/11	Gold Metal Flake	Nov-05-09 05:53 PM	#58
"Obama's 9/11" for certain...	regnaD kciN	Nov-05-09 06:05 PM	#71
That won't stop Fox and the Freepers.	FVZA_Colonel	Nov-05-09 06:09 PM	#74
doubleplusungood	SpiralHawk	Nov-05-09 05:58 PM	#62
MSNBC is reporting that Maj Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq	nonconformist	Nov-05-09 05:58 PM	#63
What were the other two suspects upset about?	regnaD kciN	Nov-05-09 06:02 PM	#69
Well, it looks like he got himself out of it.	raw oysters	Nov-05-09 06:06 PM	#72
So he couldn't just shoot himself in the head?	Hansel	Nov-05-09 06:13 PM	#82
He probably just could have resigned his commission. But I guess	TwilightGardener	Nov-05-09 06:14 PM	#83
why do you say "fellow Iraqis"?	fishwax	Nov-05-09 06:37 PM	#94
FoxNews will be calling for ever Arab to be rounded up.	arcadian	Nov-05-09 06:09 PM	#76
Sort like we did to the Japanese Americans in 1942	Thothmes	Nov-05-09 07:06 PM	#97
it's all speculation on the cable nooooze, all speculation	spanone	Nov-05-09 06:12 PM	#80
Big Ed just reported AP is saying Hasan was an Army Mental Health Professional.	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 06:12 PM	#81
Link	charlie	Nov-05-09 06:15 PM	#84
Thanks for the link	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 06:16 PM	#85
CBS says he's from Bethesda, Maryland	charlie	Nov-05-09 06:19 PM	#86
That would explain a fast track to Major.	Ruby the Liberal	Nov-05-09 06:22 PM	#87
He was promoted to Major in May.	tabatha	Nov-05-09 06:30 PM	#92
An officer terrorist? Perhaps we should invade West Point.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Nov-05-09 06:27 PM	#90
What happened to multiple shooters?	JackRiddler	Nov-05-09 06:45 PM	#95
And the eyewitness reports claiming the shootings took place in multiple locations?	izzybeans	Nov-06-09 07:53 AM	#103
Apparently there weren't mulitiple shooters	TorchTheWitch	Nov-06-09 07:58 AM	#104