Moon Water And Sibel Edmonds

[mmonk]

It seems spying for foreign governments, interests, and think tanks keeps on going unabated without the needed oversight investigations into Sibel Edmonds's claims. On Tuesday, October 20th, moon scientist Stewart Nozette appeared in court after being arrested in an FBI sting and being charged with attempting to sell secrets to Israel. For background purposes, Nozette spent six years at a secretive defense technology agency and helped developed technology that discovered water on the moon. He was a member of the White House's National Space Council under George H.W. Bush and also worked at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory which, according to the UK's The Times, was the nerve center of US nuclear weapons research during the period of 1990-1999. He also worked as a private consultant for Israel Aerospace Industries, a company owned by the Israeli government. Wiretaps revealed his expectation that he would be approached by saying,

"I don't get recruited by Mossad every day. I knew this day would come. I just had a feeling."

Since he knew the day would come, doesn't that indicate an ongoing problem?

On Wednesday, October 21st, Military.com published a piece on the Sibel Edmonds case titled, "Ex-FBI Translator Claims Spying at Dod" by Bryant Jordan. It delved into the deposition given on August 8th by Sibel in the Schmidt v. Krikorian case and concerned the testimony whereby Pentagon personnel helped in passing national defense secrets to foreign agents. Two fixtures in the 1990's espionage scheme were two individuals, who when George W. Bush took office, ended up in the Pentagon. One of those individuals was Douglas Feith who became head of the "Office of Special Plans" which would later be dubbed "The Lie Factory" due to its purpose to create false intelligence if needed to launch an unprovoked attack and invasion on Iraq. The other individual was Richard Perle who later became chairman of the Defense Advisory Board. In May 2006, Philip Giraldi wrote an article on Sibel's case which included the following:

"Doug Feith's International Advisors Inc, a registered agent for Turkey in 1989-1994, netted $600,000 per year from Turkey, with Richard Perle taking $48,000 annually as a consultant".

Both Feith and Perle were instrumental in writing "A Clean Break: A New Strategy For Securing The Rhealm". This was a report from the neoconservative movement during the Clinton years proposing new policy for Israel and was given to then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in July 1996. The recommendations were as follows:

A repudiation of the concept of "Land for Peace" which was the basis for the Oslo Accords.
Armed incursions into Palestinian areas under the concept or rubric of "right of hot pursuit".
Armed incursions into Lebanon and possible air strikes against Syria and Iran.
The removal of Saddan Hussein from power in Iraq.
A repudiation of the tenets of Labor Zionism (Israel's socialist foundations) and a change to economic liberalism.

If your memory serves you correctly, you will recognize that much of this is what happened after Bush took office. Of course to carry out spying in the 1990's required inside people in government, and later when these people became part of government, to help get things rolling.

"They were 100 percent directly involved", Edmonds told Military.com. They were not in the Pentagon (in the late 1990's) but they had their people inside the Pentagon." One of those people, she said, was Larry Franklin, an Air Force officer assigned to the Office of Special Plans...

Larry Franklin was indicted and pleaded guilty for passing secrets to Israel in the AIPAC spy case. He was investigated by the FBI, just like the operations Sibel was exposed to as a translator or contract linguist, just like the moon scientist sting revealed this month.

The Military.com article touched on other people of interest in the Edmonds case as well. This included those Sibel reported to the FBI within the agency's translation unit which she had found suspicious and troubling such as people both in elected and unelected positions in government that have been involved as revealed in Sibel's Rogues Gallery. And of course a key figure is Marc Grossman, then secretary of state for political affairs. A quote from Edmonds from her deposition and Military.com revealed,

"certain people from Pentagon would send a list of individuals with access to sensitive data, whether weapons technology or nuclear technology, and this information would include all their sexual preferences, how much they owed on their homes, if they have gambling issues, and would provide it to these foreign operatives, and those foreign operatives would go and hook those Pentagon people".

And concerning Grossman, he would have all the connections being a former Ambassador to Turkey to be a key facilitator. In writing on the Plame outing affair, Christopher Deliso wrote concerning Grossman,

"Although Grossman "has not been as high profile in the press" FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds cryptically told me the other day, "don't overlook him – he is very important."

She was not speaking about the Plame affair, though Grossman did indeed have a key role there, as we will see. According to her, Grossman was one of three officials – the other two, she says, are Richard Perle and Douglas Feith – who had been watched by both Valerie Plame's Brewster Jennings & Associates CIA team, and by the major FBI investigation of organized crime and governmental corruption on which she herself was working until being terminated in April 2002.

"Interestingly enough, at the same time Feith and Perle were greasing Turkish palms and Grossman was presiding over in Ankara, the CIA's Brewster-Jennings network and Valerie Plame were focusing on nuclear proliferation in Turkey. This scrutiny led them to trace private citizens in America as well as lobby groups like the American-Turkish Council – which is precisely where Plame met future husband Joseph Wilson, while "on duty" at a 1997 reception held by then-Turkish ambassador to the U.S. Nuzhet Kandemir."

And of course, the American-Turkish Council was a player at the center of what Sibel Edmonds found and reported to her superiors at the FBI. As has been revealed in her testimony and in the Military.com article,

But not long after she joined the bureau another Turkish translator came on board – Malec Can Dickerson. And in December 2001 Dickerson and her husband, Douglas, then an Air Force major, tried to recruit her to join American Turkish Council -- an organization that was actually being monitored by the FBI. Also, according to Edmonds, Douglas Dickerson had previously worked with Grossman in Turkey and, though assigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency, was working for Feith’s OSP and also as a coordinator with the State Department on the Turkey Republics in Central Asia.

Despite Sibel's claims again being backed up by former FBI Counterintelligence and Counterespionage Manager John Cole as well as the OIG report claiming her accusations had basis in fact, the replies to the article by those implicated were predictable. Perle called her a "nutcase" with a vendetta. Feith replied that claims about him were "wildly false and bizarre". Robert Tyler, co-president of the Cohen Group (where Grossman is now vice chairman) responded for Grossman by saying the claims were untrue. They have probably come to expect nothing coming of this due to Congressional reluctance. This in spite of the fact people from all political stripes and civil libertarians have backed Edmonds' request for public testimony and inquiry. Progressives have been the most inclined to do so in the past, even when Waxman reneged on his promise to hold hearings on her matter. But lately, some progressives cooled over the flap with Rep. Schakowsy concerning Turkish agent blackmail issues. But they should ask themselves if Rep. Schakowsky had anything to hide, especially in her response accusing Edmonds of being the same as "birthers" and "teabaggers", especially since they have not been gagged by the DOJ in the past. Blogger Mizgin has given some reasons why people might want some answers in her piece, "From Sursuluk and Chicago to Ergenekon" at The Boiling Frogs Post. Some of the reasons given are as follows:

In spite of the congresswoman’s claims that she has not been involved with the Turks, we know that in 2001, which is included in the time frame of wiretaps that Sibel Edmonds translated, Mehmet Celebi, of Hillary Clinton fame, donated $350 to Jan Schakowsky. Celebi was a fundraiser for another Chicago politician, Rahm Emanuel. Later, Celebi became a bundler for Hillary Clinton, raising $100,000 for her presidential campaign. She finally had to dump Celebi because of his role as producer of the Turkish film “Kurtlar Vadisi Irak“. ...

While Celebi was moving and shaking for the Democratic Party in Chicago, Schakowsky’s husband, Robert Creamer, a political consultant, was under investigation for bank fraud. The investigation was ongoing in 1998, which was well within the timeframe of the FBI wiretaps from Chicago that Sibel Edmonds translated. It may very well be that Turkish agents targeted Schakowsky in order to obtain favors from her husband. As Sibel stated in The American Conservative interview:

They needed Schakowsky and her husband Robert Creamer to perform certain illegal operational facilitations for them in Illinois.

For Jan Schakowsky to deny any relationship would be utter foolishness, of course, because she’s been very much involved lately with the Fethullah Gulen movement through the Chicago-based Niagara Foundation, whose honorary president is none other than Hocaefendi himself. This year Schakowsky wrote a Letter of Recognition for the Niagara Foundations 2009 “Peace and Dialogue Awards”. And Schakowsky did the same in 2008 and in 2007.

As was pointed out in the "Kill The Messenger" documentary, a lot of secret activity of US government agencies and outside interests dealt with major issues that effect the security of this nation such as the nuclear black market, terrorism, and the narcotics trade. Just this week, it has been revealed that Hamid Karzai's brother was on the CIA's payroll and activities involved paramilitary groups and the opium trade (which begins in Afghanistan and winds its way to Turkey for final production stages). When coupled with yet another spy arrest in the person of the moon scientist, it's time for answers. Moon water and Sibel Edmonds type answers.



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[snagglepuss]

1. Bookmarked and recommended. nt

[mmonk]

2. Thanks.

[Whisp]

3. thankyou! marked.

what a den of thieves.

[upi402]

4. The "Lie Factory" ...and Fox News ...and CNN

If only a real Democratic Party existed to investigate this stuff.

[mmonk]

5. There is a real Democratic Party buried deep within the current

one. Somehow, we need to bring it out.

[blm]

9. Yes....the shift in power within the party needs to be made. Poppy Bush's pals need to be stripped

of any say in the Dem party. Too bad some of the younger Dems are so unaware of what was really going on the last 30 years while they stayed focused on the distracting scenarios of political gamesmanship by the parties and the media.

[mmonk]

11. Unfortunately, you are correct.

[blm]

14. I wish I wasn't.

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[mmonk]

15. Me too but just like domestic policy, it's a follow the money trail situation.

[upi402]

17. Job #1 is repair the TV news, IMHO

I can't tell you how many chickens voting for Colonel Sanders I come across. And they are generally high functioning people.

There will be no restoration of democracy and the 'good government' investigations that follow unless there is real journalism.

Just look at all the shock and dismay when corporatist Obama calls out Fox News a tiny bit. The whole thing is rife with corporatism and will not betray their corporate masters with investigations, truth, and complete treatment of the facts.

[mmonk]

19. Yes, that is the problem with the country in general.

Without at least some type of monopoly busting, it will remain a mess.

[nashville_brook]

6. what a thoughtful and important thread. bookmarking.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. 99.99% of that story, such as it is, has nothing to do with "moon water".

The fact that the dude "helped develop technology that discovered water on the moon" is completely irrelevant to the rest of the story (the water actually being in ice form, although no doubt some of DU's science impaired will soon be crowing about us "polluting the moon's oceans") ... so much so that I have to wonder why it's half of the OP headline, and then mentioned once in the first paragraph, having zero to do with the rest of the information.... only to be thrown in again, as if it's crucial to the story, in the last sentence.

What's up with that? Other than sensationalizing the story and whacking the beehive of DU folks who will inevitably claim that this proves... what?

That NASA is really working with Israel to oppress all the lunar Palestinians?

I don't get it.

Is there something inherently ominous about the fact that he helped "develop technology that discovered water on the moon" in and of itself? Is that relevant to international espionage somehow?

I understand that merely putting "moon" in the thread title guarantees a lot of hits, but really... I mean, if you want a thread about Sibel Edmonds and her many claims, cool.

But let's be honest- it doesn't really have a whole helluva lot to do with the moon, does it?

[mmonk]

12. My post isn't a science project.

But maybe we can find some answers by examining this man and why it is he became convinced he would be approached.

[JohnyCanuck]

16. Nozette believed he had already been working for Mossad

The complaint does not accuse him of spying for Israel, but it did reveal that Nozette believed he had already been working for Mossad through a front organization in the past. According to the document, he told an undercover agent whom he believed to be from Mossad, "I thought I was working for you already. I mean, that's what I always thought. (The foreign company) was just a front."

That company has been identified in the Israeli press as Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), which is owned by the Israeli government and is the country's largest aerospace and defense company.

From November 1998 through January 2008, Nozette worked as a technical consultant for IAI, answering questions posed by the company once a month in return for payments totaling about $225,000 over a decade.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1020/p06s29-wome.html

[mmonk]

21. Thanks. Interesting isn't it? And it was a government owned company.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. Oh, just admit it.

This story has less than nothing to do with "moon water".

Or if there's a meaningful connection, what is it?

[mmonk]

20. I adjusted my story on my blog for those that get hung up on such matters.

I could not change my post here.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Fair enough.

And thanks for the info.

[mmonk]

25. You're welcome of course.

Constructive criticism or questions help.



So thanks.

[Kurovski]

8. "Jan, Jan, Jan !!!"

K&R.

[mmonk]

13. LOL.

[Kurovski]

10. Kick. (nt)

[upi402]

23. Kickin' it for Sibel! n/t

[Soylent Brice]

24. K&R

bookmarked, and i certainly hope more people read this.