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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 01:59 PM
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No crime, no matter how heinous is above a critical view of the facts and a presumption of innocence
Just sayin'

Your thoughts?


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And no this is not in reference to any case going on now - or rather its in reference to ALL of them
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chaplainM Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:09 PM
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1. The more horrible the crime...
...the more important it is to get the actual perpetrator.

I never understood why authorities would try to obtain false confessions. Do they really want the guilty party to go free?
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Caliman73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:43 PM
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5. Political expedience
That is why...and it is a stupid reason. When there is a crime, the public wants the perpetrator caught, there is outcry, politicians want to keep their positions so they pressure the police to catch somebody, anybody. The pressure can cause police to overlook some suspects and focus on one particular one. I don't think that they want the guilty to go free, they just want the public and the politicians of their back.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:26 PM
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2. It always pisses me off...
that new media of every kind ignores the presumption of innocence. I remember when journalists always prefaced their description of crime suspects and criminal defendants with "alleged" or some similar description of the presumption of innocence until there was a conviction.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:35 PM
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3. Yes if your a judge or jury - not necessarily true if your forming your own opinion n/t
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:38 PM
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4. And it's more fun to call for a death sentence without the facts.
That's what it really amounts to.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:45 PM
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6. Not from me - I dont believe in the death penalty under any circumstance n/t
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:56 PM
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9. Point taken. Thanks for the clarification. nt
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:49 PM
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7. Completely agree.
Every time something involving rape or children (or both) appears on DU, the mob comes out to declare their complete disregard for this principle.

Scary.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:54 PM
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8. +1 but
completely contrary to human nature.
i don't see it as all bad, tho. it is a good thing that we carry a desire for justice that is innate. but it needs to be overlaid with reason. that is where justice differs from vengence.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 03:15 PM
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10. Absolutely, In a court of law that concept is critical. Outside of it?
Not so much.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 03:32 PM
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11. I sort of wish US newspapers were forbidden to report on crimes
...until after a verdict has come down from a jury.

I know. Many flaws in that wish but I'm not a fan of the way our sensationalist media reports on crimes.
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