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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:58 PM
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Up-Date on Richmond High Gang Rape: Police arrest five suspects
California police arrest five suspects in Homecoming gang rape case

• As many as 10 people attacked 15-year-old girl
• Officers promise more arrests

Police in California have arrested five boys and young men in the gang rape, beating and robbery of a 15-year-old student outside a high school dance last weekend.

In a crime that shocked America, as many as 10 people ranging in age from 15 to their early 20s, attacked the girl in a dark lot outside Richmond High School on Saturday, taking turns assaulting her as others looked on and took photographs. Officers are canvassing the high school and have promised more arrests.

"Many of the students feel like these people who committed such an awful crime are still amongst them in class," Richmond police lieutenant Mark Gagan said.

Police said that during the school's Saturday homecoming dance, an autumn event at US high schools to promote school spirit, a teen the girl knew lured her away to a drinking party near the school building. The lot was unlit and lacked surveillance cameras. The girl was quickly overcome by alcohol and the attack began. Police say as many as two dozen people either witnessed the attack or knew what was occurring and did nothing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/28/california-...

Get 'em all and charge those under 18 years as adults. If they are old enough to rape ~~ they are old enough to stand charged as adults.

This is just a disgusting situation that this would happen and people would stand around do nothing AND take pictures of the events.

:mad:
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  - Richmond IS ghetto  alp227   Oct-28-09 03:01 PM   #1 
  - I can under those circumstances understand why someone would not...  Hepburn   Oct-28-09 03:04 PM   #2 
  - I lived in SF in 1982, and even back then you knew Richmond was  joeybee12   Oct-28-09 03:06 PM   #3 
  - Richmond also had a very racist past:  leanderj   Oct-28-09 03:22 PM   #9 
     - The John Birch Society still had an office on San Pablo in 1984  EFerrari   Oct-29-09 12:16 AM   #23 
  - The bystander effect:  leanderj   Oct-28-09 03:10 PM   #4 
  - +100  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-28-09 03:11 PM   #5 
  - The court needs to send a very strong message. This poor young lady will never be the same person.  rubberducky   Oct-28-09 03:12 PM   #6 
  - That is soooooo hard for me to understand...  Hepburn   Oct-28-09 03:18 PM   #8 
  - Good news. Condolences to the victim and her family  Echo In Light   Oct-28-09 03:12 PM   #7 
  - that poor girl with those memories for life  fascisthunter   Oct-28-09 03:23 PM   #10 
  - I also hope that she is not physically scarred for life either.  Hepburn   Oct-28-09 03:29 PM   #11 
  - We need to know what's going on in these male minds . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-28-09 03:32 PM   #12 
  - IMO....  Hepburn   Oct-28-09 03:36 PM   #13 
  - The rise of the right does cheapen everyone's lives, but especially women and children . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-28-09 03:42 PM   #15 
     - I doubt the perpetrators give a rat's fig about politics....  Darth_Kitten   Oct-28-09 03:43 PM   #16 
     - The tone is set by the right when they are in control . . . respect for women isn't high ...  defendandprotect   Oct-29-09 12:07 AM   #19 
     - So does shit like 'popular' music. nt  Captain Hilts   Oct-28-09 03:52 PM   #17 
        - dupe  defendandprotect   Oct-29-09 12:09 AM   #20 
  - They're learning it from a lot of things around them.  Berry Cool   Oct-28-09 06:04 PM   #18 
     - Blackwater is saying rape can't be prosecuted . . . that's the right wing message . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-29-09 12:13 AM   #22 
  - I knew the photos would do the bastards in  reggie the dog   Oct-28-09 03:36 PM   #14 
     - +10  Liberal_in_LA   Oct-29-09 12:10 AM   #21 
 
alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:01 PM
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1. Richmond IS ghetto
I live in the Bay Area, and locally this case has gotten HUGE attention. The ghetto code? "Rat and be gone like rat-a-tat-tat!" This is why high schools must keep every attendee in the building during dances!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:04 PM
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2. I can under those circumstances understand why someone would not...
...come forward and help at the scene or be seen talking to LE.

But to stand there AND take photos??? That is sick and I don't give a shit what kind of area where this happened. Taking pics of a gang rape is beyond sick.

JMHO
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:06 PM
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3. I lived in SF in 1982, and even back then you knew Richmond was
a problem area, poor and violent.
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leanderj Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:22 PM
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9. Richmond also had a very racist past:
http://www.richmondmuseumofhistory.org/pdf/MIRROR_Fall_...

The Klan maintained a very public presence there, with public marches, well into the 1980s. For some reason, Richmond served as a type of headquarters for the KKK in Northern California - the same way industrial Fontana was a meeting place for the KKK in Southern California.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:16 AM
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23. The John Birch Society still had an office on San Pablo in 1984
when we were living in Berkeley. It was right at the Berkeley/Albany border.
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leanderj Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:10 PM
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4. The bystander effect:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/28/california.gang.rap... /

It's a theory that has played out in lynchings, college riots and white-collar crimes. Under the bystander effect, experts say that the larger the number of people involved in a situation, the less will get done. "If you are in a crowd and you look and see that everyone is doing nothing, then doing nothing becomes the norm." explains Drew Carberry, a director at the National Council on Crime Prevention. Carberry said witnesses can be less likely to report a crime because they reinforce each other with the notion that reporting the crime isn't necessary. Or, he says, witnesses may think another person in the crowd already reported the incident. The responsibility among the group becomes diffused.

This detached mentality can be especially pervasive among youth, who are too young to comprehend what victimization means, said Salvatore Didato, an organizational psychologist in New York. When a teenager -- or anyone -- -doesn't have a personal bond to the victim, they are less likely to help out. Experts say sometimes bystanders see the victim as less important than the person committing the crime, who appears to wield power. "The victim to them is a non-person," Didato said.

But in California, it's illegal for a witnessed crime involving children to go unreported. The Sherrice Iverson Child Victim Protection Act passed in 1999 makes it a misdemeanor to fail to report a crime against a child. However, the bill only applies to victims 14 or younger. The victim in the California gang-rape case was 15...

Richmond Police Department officials said some of the witnesses in the California gang rape ended up participating in the sexual assaults.

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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:11 PM
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5. +100
:thumbsup:
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:12 PM
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6. The court needs to send a very strong message. This poor young lady will never be the same person.
It just seems so unbelievable to me that people could have walked by this without coming to her aid or at the very least contacting authorities. :cry:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:18 PM
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8. That is soooooo hard for me to understand...
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 03:18 PM by Hepburn
...and then to add they thought it OK to take pictures of her being raped and brutalized?

:puke:

I can only see taking pictures to turn over to LE to nail the perps...other than that... sick, really sick.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:12 PM
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7. Good news. Condolences to the victim and her family
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:23 PM
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10. that poor girl with those memories for life
that really really bothers me.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:29 PM
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11. I also hope that she is not physically scarred for life either.
There are issues if AIDS, etc., as well as permanent damage to her body that could prevent childbearing in later years.

This is so sad...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:32 PM
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12. We need to know what's going on in these male minds . . .
that suggest to them that rape is their expression of human sexuality?

I think it's about domination of females?

And who's teaching this?

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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:36 PM
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13. IMO....
...it has to do with what seems to be the "cheapening" of life. Nothing is worth anything anymore. So to some, it would seem to use this young lady and abuse her and then throw her away is just SSDD in their lives.

Frankly, I cannot imagine de-valuating life to that point...but obviously some can and have done so.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:42 PM
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15. The rise of the right does cheapen everyone's lives, but especially women and children . . .
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:43 PM
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16. I doubt the perpetrators give a rat's fig about politics....
:(
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:07 AM
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19. The tone is set by the right when they are in control . . . respect for women isn't high ...
on their list --

as you might have also noticed from organized patriarchal religion?

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:52 PM
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17. So does shit like 'popular' music. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:09 AM
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20. dupe
Edited on Thu Oct-29-09 12:11 AM by defendandprotect



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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 06:04 PM
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18. They're learning it from a lot of things around them.
Males are learning that if they want sex, they can't count on females to hand it over, so they need to find a weak, insecure girl, debilitate her and outnumber her. Get her drunk, and then everyone can have a turn. And why feel guilty, because she was dumb enough to go off with whoever lured her, and dumb enough to get drunk. :sarcasm:

That's the attitude they learn. Set a trap, and any victim who walks into it is fair game. Not only that, but those who don't participate can just have fun watching and recording for posterity.

It's very sad. But really, the only "new" twist to it is the video aspect--the fact that today it's so easy to take pictures of this stuff. Boys and men have been taking advantage of vulnerable girls since time immemorial. It's high time it stopped.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:13 AM
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22. Blackwater is saying rape can't be prosecuted . . . that's the right wing message . . .
enslavement of young females and males into sex trade . . .
much of it coming thru US!

Dependency/addiction to internet porn which makes whores of all women --



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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:36 PM
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14. I knew the photos would do the bastards in
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:10 AM
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21. +10
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