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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 02:53 AM
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ChristianForum OP: It's SICKENING to be child-free!
I had to capture the page so you could witness the trainwreck of icon and smileys...




http://www.christianforums.com/t5189726-the-ethics-of-c...
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 02:55 AM
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1. Good grief.
They are nutjobs.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:40 PM
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46. They are assholes
My wife and I tried to make a baby for years and could not. We eventually adopted. But had we chosen not to, then those assholes would reserve the right to call us "sickening"? Fuck them.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 02:59 AM
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2. Why is this woman being allowed to do anything other than cooking and breeding children?
And who the fuck taught her how to read and write? Some dutiful True Believer(TM) she is... :eyes:

:sarcasm:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 02:59 AM
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3. 23,115 posts hath she . . .think of how many kids could have been made! nt
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 03:02 AM
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5. SHE'S A WITCH!!! BURN HER!!!
:rofl:
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:34 AM
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26. Build a bridge out of her
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:40 PM
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35. Very small stones!
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 03:01 AM
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4. I have three kids and I love it - but it is not for everyone.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 03:21 AM
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6. Fascinating site.....they're OD'ing on icons there.....
Here's something from the Pentacostal forum-

"Yes quizzler, there is no debating here except among those who are ofp Penticostal/Charasmatic persuasion. According to the posted rules that have not yet been re-posted (due to crash) non-charasmatics/Penticostals may ask questions but they may not debate with us."

http://www.christianforums.com/t43194-lets-party-the-se...



And the rules...gotta keep those icons, straight!

"UPC/ Oneness church members MUST use the Oneness faith icon as per Rule 6

Christian Forums hold to the belief that the Trinitarian nature of God is essential to Christianity. In fact, it is one of the fundamental doctrines of the early church.

The United Pentecostal Church (UPC) or the Oneness Movement however is explicitly anti-Trinitarian in nature and believes in Modalism instead, a doctrine that the early church had to battle, with one method being the formation of the early creeds such as the Nicene creed.

As such, members of this church will not be able to pass Forum Rule 6 and therefore should not use a Christian icon or post in the Christians-only forums. There is a specific Oneness faith icon for the use of members of the UPC and/or Oneness churches."

http://www.christianforums.com/t1353185-upc-oneness-chu...



Debate rules.....Jebus, it don't get more formal than this...

Formal Debating Rules

Ensure that Part A. Formal Debate Invitation or Challenge is done first in the Non-Participant Commentary & Debate Invitations forum. Follow the Invitation Rules in that forum.

B. Carrying out a Formal Debate

1) A new thread is started in the Formal Debates forum.

2) The first 2 posts in the thread should be opening comments by each side.

3) There should then be several rounds of rebuttal (typically 3 to 4 but if it's teams we could go as high as 6) and then a final closing statement. If we do teams of 3 that should give each person 3 posts a piece. Word limits to maybe 2500 words/post (including citations). Give each person a maximum of 2 to 3 days to respond.

C. Ending a Formal Debate

1) Closing statements are then made in turn by each party or team.

2) The thread is then considered closed. Please do not post in a debate that is finished.

IMPORTANT RULES

1. Each post must have relevant content ie. it must stay on-topic, or be a rebuttal.

2. Ad hominem and personal attacks are not allowed

3. Proper citations must be given. There must be no pliagiarism or copyright violations.

Participants or observers can reports posts that fall outside these rules or general forum rules.

http://www.christianforums.com/t48432-formal-debating-r...




Too bad, no Agnostics forum....

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 03:39 AM
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7. Guess they'll remain a lot happier if they never learn the actual history of Christianity. n/t
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:50 AM
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16. Why disrupt their religious beliefs.....
with a bunch of meaningless facts? I see they mention the Nicene Creed. I wonder how many of them know exactly what went on at the council of Nicaea in 325 AD? How many of them know how their bible was cherry picked from numerous gospels, many of which were then destroyed because they didn't fit the image and message the church wanted to portray?

Many of these so called christians don't know squat about their own religion. They know what they've been told and that's it. That's good enough for them though. Remember, don't eat from the tree of knowledge. First lesson in the bible. There's a reason they wrote it that way, you know? :eyes:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:33 PM
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32. Ahh, the mystery of mysteries, the Unkonowable..... nt
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:12 AM
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29. That's hilarious...
All those rules, and the opening salvo in this particular "debate" is essentially "I think childless couples are totally, like, eeewwwww!!!! How about you?"

What was the rebuttal? "Like, totally, me too! Gross me out!"?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:52 PM
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40. That's about one step up from Robert's Rules of Order
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 03:39 AM
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8. Meh. They wouldn't understand my universe any more than I understand theirs.
Viva la difference! (But keep sharp objects out of their reach when they are near me.)
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 03:52 AM
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9. No one agreed with the OP in the 6 pages I read.
So that's a good thing.

I liked this reply:

"I'd rather discuss the ethics of people who don't own cats. I personally believe it is unethical to be "cat free". I believe it is selfish and frankly quite sickening. What are your opinions on cat free people?"

:rofl:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 03:56 AM
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10. That's a good one
I love it! :thumbsup:
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 04:50 AM
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14. LOL
so true!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:55 AM
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17. Uh-oh... I'm a sinner!
I only own dogs.

:crazy:
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 04:02 AM
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11. Heh. You've stumbled on an internecine war
Looks like Little Miss Pious Pinchbritches is a shit-stirrer. The site has a Childfree Couples forum and they're not too thrilled with her.
mina, I know the OP. She's not joking. She does have some psychiatric problems that make her unreliable (she says one thing this week and the opposite next week, then swings back to her original idea), but she is serious in her rigid opinions. I don't think age has much to do with it in her case, but her being single might be a factor (in combination with her extremity in opinions - nice single people will not think this way) - the opinion that people who don't want kids shouldn't even get married is pretty cruel, and truly loving/christian people who know the happiness of marriage will not sentence others to the misery of lifelong loneliness just because they lack maternal instincts. I hope.
:D
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 04:42 AM
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12. I Clicked, Ready To Hurl...
Teach me to jump to conclusions. After reading the OP and then the post containing the rules, I was expecting an unpleasant, uptight and mean little place - instead, I was surprised to find that they had a CF forum and that most of the members, CF or otherwise, seem to be funny, open-minded and even more odd, not religious fanatics!

And yes, it's waaaaaay heavy on the icons, but some of the users have cute avatars.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 04:48 AM
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13. heh...
then I guess she would have no objection to a gay/lesbian couple having kids
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 04:58 AM
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15. Most
of the other posters at least do not seem to be in agreement with her. She does seem jaded.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:56 AM
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18. Even if you can't get married because the society revolves around class, connections and money?
It's the so-called "Christians" that are getting sickening.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:20 AM
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22. Read The Site; You'll Be Surprised - I Was
I was expecting a lot of fundie-spew, but instead I found what seemed to be a lot of decent people (at least in the Child-Free forum). It seems many there are liberals and Christians, and would no more preach to a stranger than anyone here would.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:01 AM
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19. And then they wonder why we think they are wackos.... /nt
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:06 AM
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20. well, its a stupid, individual opinion, what else do you want to know? The sky is also blue.
and water is wet.

If I wanted to find stupid opinions on the internet, I could look anywhere.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:10 AM
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21. PeaceLover02 with a GOP elephant.
I'm tempted to register an account as PedoPope and make the case that ass-pounding altar boys is a holy sacrament.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:41 PM
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47. *snort*
:rofl:
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:24 AM
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23. Jealous?
:evilgrin:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:28 AM
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24. So, there's someone with lunatic opinions out there
Thank God we post at a site where no one has lunatic opini....wait a tick!!!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:32 AM
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25. I've seen the light.
Now that I've been convinced that being child-free is selfish, I think I'll go down to the local bar tonight, have some drinks, take a guy home, steal his sperm, have a child as a single mother, and I won't be selfish anymore. What have been thinking all this time?????

:sarcasm:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:54 AM
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27. If only I was younger, this atheist would follow PeaceLover02's
advice and breed like a bunny. The world needs more of us. Why was I so selfish?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:04 AM
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28. What ever happened to the concept of people ...
minding their own damn business? Why is it that people feel they have the right to meddle or judge how other people conduct their private lives?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:30 AM
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30. Wow. So do they make infertile couples prove they're infertile?
WHAT A BITCH!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:37 AM
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31. I'm all for 'child free' couples! Stop over populating the earth! I find it
selfish and frankly sickening for people to keep popping out as many little brats as they can to promote their 'religion' or political ideology! BTW, PeaceLover02, what are you doing to establish that peace you love?
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:37 PM
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33. How is it selfish NOT to have something?
I'll never understand the "mandatory maternity" mindset?
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:34 PM
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44. I don't get it either
not having children was the most UNselfish thing I have ever done. I wanted them but didn't feel I was "fit" to be a parent (for various reasons) so I never had any. I would've liked to very much but felt it would be selfish and unfair to bring a child into my world.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:57 AM
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52. It's bizarre. People complain about school overcrowding, traffic jams,
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 12:58 AM by Lorien
the price of gas, poverty, deforestation, global warming...then they say that those of us who DON"T want to put another soul on earth are SELFISH??? Hey, I believe that the human race only has 50 years (tops) before the resources completely run out. Why would I bring a child into a world where I am convinced that they would eventually die of either war or famine?
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:37 PM
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34. Somebody said this to me the other day as a reason why gay people shouldn't be able to marry
The only reason our society works is because romantic relationships create children. I kid you not, that's what I was told. I said, "I thought our society worked because we're nice to each other."

And then I asked about elderly couples and infertile couples and if they destroy society too. He said, "theoretically they *could* have children." And I said, no, someone who is elderly or infertile can't have children by theory or in reality. Fertile couples who use birth control could theoretically have children.

The mind set behind this kind of thing is what is sickening.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:44 PM
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36. I've got one I'll happily hire out occasionally... FWIW, the OP was pretty soundly
slapped down by most of the replies, for example:

I'm married and don't have children. Our selfish justification for this unethical and sickening way of not having kids, is mostly because we aren't in the financial postistion for me not be working and to be living on one wage. Not only that, but having children is a big decision which needs to be taken seriously, and I'm not ready for that. Children need to be raised in a stable and loving environment, and I think it is selfish to have a child if you know you can't provide this.

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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:46 PM
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37. EAT BREED DIE
Ah yes, the circle of life fundie style. Eat shit loads of starchy foods, squeeze large litters of brats out, then die. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:48 PM
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38. Well, this is one way in which I'm glad I'm unethical
All of my babies have fur and fangs.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:51 PM
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39. I have 3 grown kids from a previous marriage and am getting married again in Sept.
We are both 51 and have no plans on having more children.
Are we "Sickening"? We love each other and want to marry. What if we just lived together? Still "Sickening"?
So they are just against people having sex?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:54 PM
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41. trainwrecky goodness
personally, i rather regret NOT having kids than regret having them....
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:54 PM
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42. Ask her if she feels the same way about gay couples.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:56 PM
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43. "and frankly quite sickening."
Edited on Wed Apr-18-07 06:05 PM by Breeze54
Sick, demented, brainwashed freak!



At least the responses disputed that post!
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:38 PM
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45. It sounds like she *hates* having kids and envys those who don't
or why else would she think it's "selfish" to be child free?



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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:43 PM
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48. There is no difference between the religious freaks and...
Edited on Wed Apr-18-07 08:44 PM by roamer65
superstitious cave people from thousands of years ago.


OOGA BOOGA!
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:42 AM
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49. I had one lady tell me and my wife that she didn't like us because we were child free and it wasn't
fair that they had to have all their responsibilities regarding their children, and we could just do what we wanted to and that we flaunted that in her face by talking about things we did.
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rebecca_herman Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:49 AM
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50. Well most people thought she was pretty nutty anyway
I had to look and was horrified by all the colorful and blinking images - aahhhh! But it seemed most people in the thread didn't agree with her, my eyes couldn't make it that far anyway.

I want kids, and I don't fully understand why some people don't want kids, but it's their choice and it would be *selfish* to have a kid you DON'T want just to satisfy the expectations of your family/religion/society/whatever, what child wants to grow up with parents who didn't want them at all?
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:56 AM
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51. There are some people who aren't meant to be parents.
I've had many of their children in my classroom over the years.

Believe me.
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