TSA on the move.. they now have swat teams..coming soon to your town..

[lib2DaBone]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-orange-bus-tsa,0,57883.story

Although the TSA is best known for its agents at airports, the agency's Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response, or VIPR, teams stage periodic operations at bus and train stations, ports and other transportation centers. They began work in December 2006.

Thursday's daylong event was the first at a Greyhound station in Florida, said John Daly, TSA security director for the Orlando region.


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[hobbit709]

1. Effing Gestapo.

[HipChick]

2. BS...I've seen TSA helping out with security at Obama Rally's...

[vadawg]

3. lol okay the NKVD then

[lib2DaBone]

8. What is NKVD? Dont understand..

[donco6]

10. Here

Easy to look it up:

The NKVD contained the regular, public police force of Soviet Russia and the USSR (including traffic police, firefighting, border guards and archives) but is better known for the activities of the Gulag and the Main Directorate for State Security (GUGB), which eventually became the Committee for State Security (KGB). It conducted mass extrajudicial executions, ran the Gulag system of forced labor, suppressed underground resistance, conducted mass deportations of nationalities and "Kulaks" to unpopulated regions of the country, guarded state borders, conducted espionage and political assassinations abroad, was responsible for influencing foreign governments, and enforced Stalinist policy within Communist movements in other countries.

[lib2DaBone]

16. Thank you for the clarification. Yes.. I have heard of this organization ...

..I googled it.. but didnt get anything .. Thanks.

[Tesha]

13. And that makes everything OK, ehh? (NT)

[vadawg]

19. hell yes it seems, always surprises me that people will accept the gestapo as long as they are

hunting the other side.... its the human condition i suppose...

[notadmblnd]

4. there's more law enforcement there than there are civilians

[Taverner]

5. What was the Phildickan term? Black Iron Prison?

As in they erected prison walls around the US, and we are the prisoners?

[TransitJohn]

34. I don't see any law enforcement there.

Just TSA.

[lib2DaBone]

35. Ya, well you just do something out of the ordinary...

like go to get a soft drink or complain about them making you miss your connection... and I can assure you.. they will have "Law Enforcement" there in a matter of seconds.

[notadmblnd]

41. there's one standing right in front of the xray machine.

There's one standing in front of the seccond window from your right. Then there's another one next to the lady in the pink sweater. There are several more TSA scattered through out the room. Look in the back ground and it appears there are some state and county authorities scattered throughout the room too.

If TSA isn't some sort of Law enforcement organization, then why are people allowing them to search them? Would they be stopped from traveling if one was to refuse?

[PM Martin]

6. I have a strong attatchment to the concept of freedom.

So much that I would never dirty myself by going into law enforcement.

[whathehell]

38. Sometimes

that "dirty" law enforcement MAINTAINS freedom -- from getting killed, for instance.

[Eric J in MN]

7. unreasonable search

They have no right to pat down someone boarding a bus at random.

[HipChick]

11. They were not there by themselves...

On Thursday, 50 officials from agencies including TSA, Orlando police, the Orange County Sheriff's Office, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection patted down passengers. Behavior and explosives experts and dogs trained to sniff out bombs and drugs also were used. illegal immigrants were detained..

[RC]

15. It sounds and looks like a training exercise to me.

[Eric J in MN]

36. Violations of the constitution by a bunch of agencies together...

...are as bad as violations of the constitution by one agency.

Suspicionless searches is exactly what the Founders were trying to stop with the Fourth Amendment, regardless of how those law enforcement officials feel about the Fourth Amendemnt.

[Tesha]

14. But if no one stands against these illegal searches, it becomes, de facto, accepted. (NT)

[Nikki Stone1]

20. +1

That is indeed the problem.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. Freaking waste of money and time that could be better applied elsewhere.

I'm sorry, but you just can't secure buses. You just can't. Reality doesn't work that way. Anyway, what the hell are they going to do, hire TSA staff to patrol every local bus authority in the country with these kinds of measures? It makes sense for planes. It makes no sense for buses.

[PM Martin]

43. What about when they make stops in rural locations

where there is little population?

This process is timely and a waste of money.

[lib2DaBone]

12. And you might note: TSA Security Guards are no longer identified as "Security"

.. they are now identified as "TSA OFFICERS". In a very short time they wil be armed... and you can kiss your _ _ _ goodbye.

[TexasObserver]

17. TSA: jobs for people too stupid for Walmart or McDonalds

Where do they find these mouth breathing dunderheads they hire for TSA? They really bring "teh stupid."

[lpbk2713]

18. Travelling on Greyhound is bad enough ...

I guess TSA just had to prove they could make it worse.


Assholes.

[francolettieri]

21. good training

Sounds like a good way to train TSA newhires, missing something on bus passengers is much less catastrophic then failing to detect a dangerous item on airline passengers!!

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. There are other pictures on the links..

They now have Mobile x-ray units...what does that tell you?

[katandmoon]

23. It's good to know Obama is just as intent on curtailing our freedom as Bush was

[HipChick]

28. presuming he was personally informed of this specific exercise..

[ipaint]

31. When torture and war crimes trumps "the rule of law"

I wouldn't expect much from the president even if he did know.

[katandmoon]

39. Are you saying that if his name was Geo. W. Bush, he wouldn't have been held responsible for it?

[dixiegrrrrl]

24. And it was more than a "security" exercise.

They went after illegals:

Five people were arrested on illegal-immigration charges, and one person was picked up on a local warrant. Glass bottles, knives, a bullet and the stun gun were found.

[lib2DaBone]

29. and we must remember.. all these Law Enfocement Officers...

are being paid between $50 and $70K a year.. basically for doing NOTHING. So if we put our trust in Law Enforcement...we will be waiting a long time for any real protection.. whether it be International terrorists or domestic terroists.

I would LOVE to make $50K a year standing around on my ass........

[PM Martin]

42. True.

[MadHound]

45. Ooo, glass bottles, a knife, a bullet, and a stun gun were found

Yep, that's the makings of a terrorist plot right there.

I wouldn't go on Greyhound without my knife, hell I don't go very many places at all without my knife, it's quite the handy tool. Glass bottles, oh boy, somebody had a beer or soda. A bullet without a gun is useless unless you've got McGyver like tendencies, and a stun gun, well, given the run of Greyhound clientele, I can understand that too.

This is just another ratcheting up of the police state in this country.

[ipaint]

25. I'm sure these random searches are part of this companie's

business plan. People need to be conditioned to intrusive searches in order to eventually land contracts in as many transportation centers as possible. At $110,000.00 per machine and airports all over the country installing them, buses and train terminals are the next market to be exploited.

http://www.as-e.com/products_solutions/personnel_inspection.asp

Terra, terra, terra.

[SoCalDem]

26. Wheeee. another opportunity to hassle poor folks

who have to take a bus..

[HipChick]

27. It's pretty sad when Lefties start with the RW scare tactics...

[winyanstaz]

30. So you are alright with the Gestapo tactics too I take it....

What a good little sheeple you are.
What ever happend to "The land of the Free"?
It has been sold out from under us.

[lib2DaBone]

32. This is not a 'scare' tactic. This happened.. see the photo?

We are far beyond R/W scare tactics. Didn't we just give $700 Billion to the Big Banks with no stings attached? Ask Ben Bernake.

The right wing does not have to scare us... they have unleashed $trillions of worthless Derivatives across the globe. They got Glass-Stegal repealed.. and they proceeded to rob the nation. Ben Bernake and the Federal Reserve openly thumb their nose at Barack obama.

Now, the entire country is in the toilet. If this is what you mean by 'scare"...yes.. they have scared the shit out of me.. we are going down the tubes.

[HipChick]

33. going? We went down the tubes the last 8yrs under Bush...

or were you asleep? No wonder my Freeper RW BIL says he comes over to DU to laugh at us..

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. Goons.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. That's good. Now we can be sure no one on the greyhound has a bag of weed in their duffel bag.

I'm so glad my tax dollars are keeping us safe from that sort of thing.

[bertman]

44. I remember years ago when MADD got their campaign going and the police started

setting up random traffic stops, ostensibly for license violations and potential drunk drivers. There were a few civil libertarians who complained that these were illegal stops but they were shouted down by the MADD supporters who felt like it was okay to do whatever it took to get drunks off the road.

Then the traffic "checkpoints" became more numerous and people were being asked to pull over and let the officers search their vehicles for anything from a broken taillight to an expired inspection sticker to an invalid license. The same civil libertarians complained and were shouted down again. It was deemed necessary that our police be able to stop us at any time so they could peer at us to determine if we were tipsy.

A few years later the checkpoints were becoming more numerous at the offramps to Interstate highways. Citizens started complaining along with the civil libertarians. This time we were told that drug traffickers were using the interstates to smuggle drugs and guns so they HAD to make those stops to keep us safe.

Now, here we are, routine searches for no reason and without warrants. Totally unconstitutional.

The POLICE STATE IS NO LONGER BEING CAMOUFLAGED. They're out in broad daylight violating our rights.

I despair.