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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 09:56 PM Original message |
A logical and reasonable solution to gun violence in America |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. They had AK-47's under Saddam |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Actually, they didn't. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. When guns are outlawed |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. And they are using them on |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Not talking about now |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. They did not have much in the way of assault rifles in numbers |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Way to miss the point |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Saddam started handing out the AKs and RPGs shortly before the invasion... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Clinton tried that |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I am talking about this country |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Principle is the same |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I take my solutions one step at a time. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. The debate isn't "phony" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. That part is true |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. And you and I could have a reasonable and intelligent |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Dispense with myths |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
44. The insurgents certainly are doing an effective |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. With rockets |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. If civil war were to come to this country |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. They're currently Regulated |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. Deleted message |
Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
82. What a bullshit, sexist, post. (nt) |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
86. Here's another idea: |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. There are hundreds of millions of handguns in circulation... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Fine, make it 25 years |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Not stopping crime? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. I am 100% in favor of legalizing drugs |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. If you're so skeptical... |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. You want 'people' like THIS to have all the guns..... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. They have them now |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. It could be argued that the argument you present is a 'fine' example of our 'dumbed-down' America |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Excuse me, |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
84. Long time poster doesn't mean you're a "better" poster. eom |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I never claimed to be a better poster |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
14. the idea of personal armories to protect yourself from the government is a RW libertarian myth |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Agreed |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. aw man, you mean you want to talk about your topic in the thread you started? LOL. Ok... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I think ten years in prison, |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Well, yeah, but I think that would get defeated in debate, or if not, |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Well, as it does not violate the Constitution |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I think a lot of people would get themselves arrested in protest |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I think that after the first batch or three, |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I'll leave it at that. Just wanted to throw a few Devil's Advocate points out there |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Hey, I am all for discussion |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. well, just talking doesn't make for good TV and movies |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. You mean I can't fight off the black helicopters... |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. LOL, sadly, no. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. No, it's a gun-o-phobe strawman. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Agreed |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. so you honestly and sincerely believe 100 rednecks could wipe out an organized US Military force? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. No, But I believe |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Yeah but so do current soldiers. I really don't see 100 people taking out 2000 soldiers, short |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. So people can't choose to fight unless their odds look good? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. you can fight back all you want, but the guns aren't going to help. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. You can say that, but often things work out |
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Dunedain (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. Are they helping Muqtada al-Sadr? n/t |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. I didn't say "take out" |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Do you think I don't know a strawman when I see one? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Its a gun-nut strawman, not mine |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. There are many reasons for having an armed militia. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Many of them did fight back. And most of them would be dead anyway |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. Oh, well, in that case, let's give up all hope of fighting back. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. you don't seem to realize |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Soap box, vote box, jury box, ammo box are all tools useful for preserving liberty |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. and how is using "ammo box" |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. It's the means of last resort. It's for once-every-other-century circumstances. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. Let me guess: They're able to make the occupation of their country a pain in the ass? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Well, for one, the insurgents are striking in repeated waves. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. You are assuming |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Then why would people even need to protect themselves from their government? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Becuase you always have to have |
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Possumpoint (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
20. Sorry |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Only in the case of the .22 (I believe) |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
32. "Saddam is killing his own people-- we need to fix this problem." |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I don't see how taking tens of millions of handguns out of |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
60. You'd be taking them away from the LAW-ABIDING. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. No one is stopping criminals from turning in their guns |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Yep, criminals are suddenly going to start following the law. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Never said they were |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I applaud you for offering a solution, but I don't think it's better than the problem. |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
43. Well... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. Well, |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. No... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
54. Your proposal has merit idealistically but it simply is not possible. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. I am not proprosing |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
58. What is logical and reasonable to you is |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. You "need to grow up"! |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. Uh, again |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
67. You want another Republican President in 08 |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Cool |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
85. ttt nt |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
87. Neither logical or reasonable |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Sorry, it is NOT an ex post facto law |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Please check out this sight, http://www.sassnet.com/ These guns you would ban |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
94. Here's the biggest problem with your solution: |
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