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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:13 AM Original message |
| "Pine Ridge is the scariest place I’ve ever been — more so than in a Taliban ambush,” | ![]() |
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ccharles000
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
| 1. k/r | ![]() |
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uppityperson
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
| 37. Correction to OP (put up here as reply for people might see)"NOT more so than in a Taliban ambush".. |
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annabanana
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
| 2. K&R. . . . . . n/t |
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Delphinus
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
| 3. Heavens. |
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| piratefish08
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
| 4. k/r |
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| newfie11
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
| 5. As someone that has been to Pine Ridge many times I can agree |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
| 7. that I know of | ![]() |
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glinda
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
| 94. Same holds true for some areas on the Reservations in northern MN also. |
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liberalhistorian
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
| 31. I have to say that, as a white chick, I've experienced very |
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mikekohr
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
| 77. My experiences as well. nt |
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glinda
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
| 95. When I spent time on or near the Rez(s), my closest and best friends were Native American. My |
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roguevalley
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
| 45. Its an awful legacy | ![]() |
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| Lorien
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Wed Oct-21-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
| 114. Part of the reason for the alcoholism is that Native people lack an enzyme |
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roguevalley
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Thu Oct-22-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #114 |
| 138. I think that may be it. People with the longest use of alcohol, wine | ![]() |
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Hannah Bell
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
| 50. they can't sell their homes, but they could sell their land to white ranchers? |
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mikekohr
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
| 75. Here is one way in which these leases came to be: |
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Hannah Bell
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Wed Oct-21-09 03:27 AM Response to Reply #75 |
| 118. it doesn't quite answer my question, though. i'm still confused. |
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| newfie11
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Wed Oct-21-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #118 |
| 125. ok I will go further |
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Hannah Bell
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Wed Oct-21-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #125 |
| 136. better, thanks for the info. |
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glinda
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
| 96. That holds true for some areas in northern Mn also. I bought a small farm on "leased" |
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truedelphi
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Tue Oct-20-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
| 53. As someone who knew a lot abt this circa 1970's |
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jwirr
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Tue Oct-20-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
| 58. Your description & the pictures are what I saw there 37 years ago. |
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| Name removed
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
| 6. Deleted message |
Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
| 8. goes much deeper than Bush | ![]() |
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| newfie11
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
| 9. I agree this was not started by Bush |
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a la izquierda
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
| 13. It wasn't started by Bush... |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
| 14. it's not that far off from the ideas | ![]() |
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leveymg
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
| 65. It's called genocide. 95% mortality rate among aboriginal peoples in the Americas |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
| 86. I wouldn't say that | ![]() |
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leveymg
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Wed Oct-21-09 04:07 AM Response to Reply #86 |
| 120. I suppose if WWIV continued for 350 years or escalated, the mortality rate might be comparable |
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Wetzelbill
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Wed Oct-21-09 04:50 AM Response to Reply #120 |
| 123. kind of, but going way deeper than the point | ![]() |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
| 15. well if it helps | ![]() |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
| 39. Yeah, it's as simple as blaming Republicans. Jesus. |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
| 41. One would think that in the history of Native American suffering, there had never been a Democrat |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
| 43. That, to me, is the ultimate proof that throwing money at them solves nothing. nt |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
| 89. yeah well nobody has ever done that | ![]() |
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mikekohr
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
| 76. Democratic administrations and politicians are not blameless, Jackson comes to mind. |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
| 104. I can think of SLIGHTLY more contemporary ones. nt |
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XemaSab
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
| 84. This reminds me of Oakland |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
| 87. I never said it was nt | ![]() |
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Soylent Brice
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
| 10. K&R |
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| Brickbat
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
| 11. Pine Ridge is scary because it is without hope. |
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LeftHander
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
| 12. Spent lot of my youth in and near Sisseton Reservation...NE SD |
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H2O Man
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
| 16. Recommended. |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
| 18. you're welcome H20 | ![]() |
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Botany
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
| 17. I feel so bad right now ..... |
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LWolf
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
| 19. Thanks for the post. |
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Heidi
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
| 20. Recommended. |
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AngryAmish
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
| 21. VEry, very sad |
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| Crabby Appleton
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
| 22. The Friends of Pine Ridge has a site that gives you a place |
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truedelphi
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Tue Oct-20-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
| 56. Thank you for this. I have often thought it would be |
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| shireen
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Tue Oct-20-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
| 61. thank you. |
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femrap
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Tue Oct-20-09 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
| 23. K and R |
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KamaAina
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
| 35. Not a bad idea! |
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XemaSab
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
| 85. Are you sure about that? |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
| 90. other way around | ![]() |
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Altoid_Cyclist
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
| 38. I think that hemp will grow there. The problem is that the DEA won't allow them to. |
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femrap
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
| 70. Thank you for the links. nt |
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Altoid_Cyclist
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Wed Oct-21-09 04:20 AM Response to Reply #70 |
| 122. You're welcome. |
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femrap
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Wed Oct-21-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #122 |
| 131. It's beyond sad. |
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Altoid_Cyclist
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Wed Oct-21-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #131 |
| 133. I'd have to go back and read the article again or watch the documentary. |
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mikekohr
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
| 79. Alex White Plume has grown bumper crops of Industrial Hemp on Pine Ridge |
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Altoid_Cyclist
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Wed Oct-21-09 04:18 AM Response to Reply #79 |
| 121. It's a shame that the DEA is allowed to still do this. |
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cbayer
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Tue Oct-20-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
| 24. I drove through there this summer. The road coming out of the Badlands in the |
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BlueIris
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Tue Oct-20-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
| 25. Shameful. Agreed. nt |
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| winyanstaz
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Tue Oct-20-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
| 26. They might have a better chance if the government would stop controlling the lands... |
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Rosa Luxemburg
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
| 103. I wish there was more representation of Native Americans in Congress or even the Executive Branch |
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yellerpup
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
| 27. Powerful photos, insightful interview... |
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dana_b
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
| 28. from the article |
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closeupready
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
| 29. Yeah, but wait, back up! How many of those on the reservation actually make $300,000 per year? |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
| 33. What's your point? |
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closeupready
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
| 34. This one says that most people who call themselves "poor" are like this woman: |
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Jackpine Radical
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
| 48. Blackhawk was a leader, not a tribe. |
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closeupready
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Tue Oct-20-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
| 51. Shows you what I know. I think Chippewa, though. |
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Jackpine Radical
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
| 71. The Chippewa are certainly the largest group. Also for the most part the furthest north. |
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glinda
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
| 97. You mean the Annishinabe don't you? Chippewa is a slander term. |
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| catbyte
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Wed Oct-21-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #97 |
| 126. Actually, Chippewa isn't so much slander |
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Jackpine Radical
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Wed Oct-21-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #126 |
| 128. Both Ojibwa and Chippewa are corruptions of the original word |
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glinda
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Wed Oct-21-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #128 |
| 129. Exactly |
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Jackpine Radical
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Wed Oct-21-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #129 |
| 135. Megwitch. |
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Sabien
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Wed Oct-21-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #48 |
| 124. spelling |
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liberalhistorian
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
| 30. I've worked on Pine Ridge and know exactly what |
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| catbyte
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
| 44. I got an FBI file for my support back in 1973 |
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Jackpine Radical
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
| 49. Bouzhou. I grew up among Anishinabe people in N. Wi. LCO, actually. |
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| catbyte
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Tue Oct-20-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
| 52. Aanii! |
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Jackpine Radical
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
| 69. Not to mention a really great radio station, WOJB. It streams online. Try it. |
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Scruffy1
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Tue Oct-20-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
| 55. Welcome to the club |
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| knitter4democracy
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Tue Oct-20-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
| 62. *hug* Thank you for doing that. |
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Dreamer Tatum
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
| 32. That is heartbreaking nt |
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uppityperson
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
| 36. k&r for friends in Pine Ridge and Standing Rock. eom |
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Greyskye
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Tue Oct-20-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
| 40. “Pine Ridge is the scariest place I’ve ever seen — NOT more so than in a Taliban ambush.” |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
| 91. yes thanks for that, too late for me to go back and edit | ![]() |
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Cleita
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
| 42. I've driven through it a couple of times in my life. It's hard to believe it's part of |
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| reggie the dog
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
| 46. the feds took away their only viable industry by destroying it |
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me b zola
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Tue Oct-20-09 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
| 47. 'The Woman Hanging From The Thirteenth Floor Window' |
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NanceGreggs
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Tue Oct-20-09 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
| 54. K & R! | ![]() |
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Helga Scow Stern
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Tue Oct-20-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
| 57. Just got back from Jemez Pueblo in N. New Mexico.... |
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polly7
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Tue Oct-20-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
| 59. So unbelievably sad. |
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| TK421
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
| 105. What you did was very generous and almost heroic in my eyes...not many |
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polly7
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Tue Oct-20-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #105 |
| 108. Aw, thank you |
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| TK421
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Tue Oct-20-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #108 |
| 111. How many miles from Regina to Saskatoon? just curious |
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polly7
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Wed Oct-21-09 03:44 AM Response to Reply #111 |
| 119. It's about 260 km, or 160 miles. |
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Number23
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Tue Oct-20-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
| 60. Thank you so much for this. We need to be reminded of how much suffering there is in the world |
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| knitter4democracy
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Tue Oct-20-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
| 63. I know Hopi Mesas was bad back in the late '90s. |
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BrklynLiberal
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Tue Oct-20-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
| 64. and we have the gall to criticize other countries for the way they treat their indigenous peoples!!! |
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lisa58
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
| 66. I was there many years ago, it's true. |
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bertman
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
| 67. Recommend. Very moving and disturbing in many ways. |
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polly7
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Tue Oct-20-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
| 68. Secretary–Indian Affairs, Department of the Interior, |
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bertman
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Tue Oct-20-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
| 107. Thanks for the information, polly7. That is an enlightening quote from Kevin Gover; |
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polly7
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Tue Oct-20-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #107 |
| 110. You're welcome. |
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bertman
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Wed Oct-21-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #110 |
| 112. What occurs to me is that there should be some other mechanism besides casinos and |
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| Geek_Girl
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
| 72. Thank you for posting |
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| ms liberty
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
| 73. K&R... |
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peacetalksforall
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Tue Oct-20-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
| 74. There was only one mention of casinos. Do all states allow them? So Dakota? |
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| SpiralHawk
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
| 78. Prophecy Song - The elders - Casinos |
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mikekohr
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
| 83. Pine Ridge does have a casino, but it is the norm among Indian Casinos |
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XemaSab
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #83 |
| 88. I wonder how much of the revenue of the successful casinos |
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| AnotherDreamWeaver
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Wed Oct-21-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #88 |
| 113. I did some work for a woman in Public Relations once and |
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glinda
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
| 98. I was in a casino that was basically a bit bigger than a "shack" once. |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
| 92. tribes have to enter into bilateral agreements with | ![]() |
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| lonestarnot
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
| 80. So why do they vote for repiglieCONs there WB? |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
| 93. I doubt people on the reservation do | ![]() |
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glinda
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #93 |
| 100. Mostly but in the last eight years there has been in operation in movement to |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #100 |
| 102. yes I've heard of that | ![]() |
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mikekohr
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
| 81. THE BUREAU OF WHITE AFFAIRS |
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| MisterK
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Tue Oct-20-09 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
| 82. You should vist this area |
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Wetzelbill
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #82 |
| 99. I don't doubt that it's bad | ![]() |
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liberalhistorian
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Wed Oct-21-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #82 |
| 130. I'm sorry, but I'm from NE Ohio and Pine Ridge is nothing |
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| RobinA
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Wed Oct-21-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
| 137. Not An Expert |
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Rosa Luxemburg
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
| 101. So why are we in this situation? |
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XemaSab
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Tue Oct-20-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
| 106. Amen. |
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| Swamp Rat
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Tue Oct-20-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
| 109. k&r |
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| dysfunctional press
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Wed Oct-21-09 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
| 115. we drove |