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Mr President, do know how many people lived on ramen noodles to get you elected?

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Mr President, do know how many people lived on ramen noodles to get you elected?
How many gave up savings? How many people gave up entertainment?
How many people sensing the collapse of our financial system literally threw you forward like a Hail Mary pass in hopes that you would act in our best interest; you know, the *people* people of the United States?

I'm now unemployed, uninsured, and foreclosed. All of these issues were addressed in your campaign promises. Do you think we as a group of evermore impoverished plain Americans we can preserver as long as the Democratic Asshole Senators can delay? The proof is in: 122 less voters will be available by tomorrow; 4K by the next election.

And I know that in the Democratic political strategist minds they are thinking; you're broke, so you really don't count anymore.

My employment prospects were sent to India and/or simply filled on site with an H1-B. Do you think we could get some relief on that. At least let us know that you're interested in the plight of the plain everyday Americans that sent those small donations?

Do you think the younger voters that were *so* hyped up about your election are still excited? I was once 18-25 yrs old and I can tell you they are seeing the same old politics of getting served scraps justified with more intellectual arguments. Yes, the crowds love to cheer you--you being a charismatic speaker can work a crowd. However, that glow isn't lasting nearly as long as it used to. There is no "force multiplier". Nobody is going out registering voters or calling their friends. The party is in fact in decline and it's your watch.

The time is at hand ... we need you to work for us now.

(Sry folks, I love that President, but I'm getting frustrated)
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   he's a millionaire, YOU are not. His friends are from Goldman Sachs. Yours? He has  msongs   Oct-17-09 05:38 PM   #1 
   +1  MannyGoldstein   Oct-17-09 09:51 PM   #81 
   Sadly, we are chumps forever  n2doc   Oct-18-09 09:42 AM   #167 
   He is the president,not the Messiah!  Fire1sKid   Oct-18-09 03:19 PM   #224 
   True, this. I saw Moore's new movie tonight and see all the Goldman Sachs  davidwparker   Oct-17-09 10:10 PM   #92 
   It is disgusting. The fact that Obama can appoint the criminals who created the economic crisis  debbierlus   Oct-18-09 12:36 PM   #202 
      Meanwhile, John Edwards cannot run because of his affair.  JDPriestly   Oct-18-09 03:23 PM   #227 
      Exactly!  Maat   Oct-18-09 03:33 PM   #232 
      This is an excellent article, if you missed it frist time around.  CrispyQ   Oct-18-09 04:04 PM   #240 
   Truth.  Greyhound   Oct-17-09 10:17 PM   #98 
   +100 n/t  tonysam   Oct-17-09 11:13 PM   #107 
   +1000. nt  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-18-09 10:17 AM   #171 
   well said  joeycola   Oct-18-09 09:20 AM   #160 
   I always laughed at the people who really bought the  JonQ   Oct-18-09 10:34 AM   #175 
      Me too.  bigwillq   Oct-18-09 10:36 AM   #177 
   Well said. Mirrors my feelings pretty close.  earthlite   Oct-17-09 05:39 PM   #2 
   Me, too  emsimon33   Oct-18-09 02:01 AM   #141 
   I am heartened by Biden  Taverner   Oct-17-09 05:40 PM   #3 
   What about Biden? NT  Eric J in MN   Oct-17-09 06:38 PM   #50 
      Read this week's Newsweek story (yeah, I know, newsweak...)  Taverner   Oct-18-09 06:00 PM   #260 
   Can I get in here and take my crap on him, too?  cliffordu   Oct-17-09 05:42 PM   #4 
   Yeah- he made his millions exploiting all those helpless poor unfortunate  stlsaxman   Oct-17-09 11:01 PM   #106 
      That's right, he is a selfish bastard  cliffordu   Oct-18-09 01:06 AM   #127 
   +1 -- You and folks like you are the reason why so many of us  Tansy_Gold   Oct-17-09 05:42 PM   #5 
   Hangin' In Is Getting Very Hard To Do! If Things Keep Going Down Hill  ChiciB1   Oct-18-09 10:35 AM   #176 
   Meet the new boss  AllentownJake   Oct-17-09 05:43 PM   #6 
   Bingo. n/t  OhioChick   Oct-17-09 05:49 PM   #10 
   Yes. George W. Bush and Barack Obama are the same.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 05:52 PM   #14 
      This place has gone to shit.  liquid diamond   Oct-17-09 07:02 PM   #54 
      Well, I was striking a blow for sarcasm, actually.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 07:39 PM   #63 
      I know you were being sarcastic.  liquid diamond   Oct-17-09 10:11 PM   #95 
      If we did get a Democrat, how would we tell?  salguine   Oct-18-09 12:06 AM   #113 
      That's easy.  NoUsername   Oct-18-09 12:34 AM   #119 
         +1 nt  ooglymoogly   Oct-18-09 12:22 PM   #200 
      an officeholder with a (D) is the height of your ambitions? really?  Hannah Bell   Oct-18-09 04:22 AM   #155 
      You attempt at sarcasim failed. Besides to the millions out of work, hungry, living in cars or tent  rhett o rick   Oct-17-09 08:06 PM   #72 
      So does everyone here who has internet access and time to waste posting thoughts on a forum.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 09:21 PM   #79 
      enough comfort to realize that there are millions of people who use library computers or those in  Divine Discontent   Oct-17-09 10:06 PM   #90 
      I like the OP. I rec'd the OP and I agree with your sentiment.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-18-09 12:52 AM   #121 
      I did not intend insult. I simply wish to emphsise that millions have not seen enough change to feed  rhett o rick   Oct-18-09 12:52 AM   #120 
      we have quite few houseless people here. n/t  Greyhound   Oct-17-09 10:31 PM   #105 
      In the case of Bush, simply maintaining a third of his policies is toxic.  rug   Oct-17-09 10:01 PM   #86 
      I guess it's close enough to Halloween to drag out the straw men. nt  Mithreal   Oct-18-09 01:02 AM   #124 
         Ok. Please explain what the phrase "Meet the Old Boss Same as the New Boss" means.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-18-09 01:45 AM   #137 
            Why did Obama say make me do it?  Mithreal   Oct-19-09 05:42 PM   #274 
   So you don't think things would be WORSE under McCain/Palin? n/t  pnwmom   Oct-17-09 05:43 PM   #7 
   Other than a few issues  AllentownJake   Oct-17-09 05:45 PM   #8 
   Oh brother...  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 05:50 PM   #13 
   +1 n/t  malaise   Oct-17-09 06:00 PM   # 
   Evil is still evil  conscious evolution   Oct-17-09 06:10 PM   #29 
   So, McCain would have done the same stuff as Obama? Wow!  cynatnite   Oct-17-09 05:57 PM   #19 
   Yes! Apparently McCain's votes in Congress (say against the anti-rape bill) were just for giggles  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 06:00 PM   #20 
   I don't see what you are referring to has anything to do with economics  AllentownJake   Oct-17-09 06:03 PM   #23 
   The U.S. has ONE president. There's not a President of the Economy and President of the Environment  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 06:07 PM   #26 
      Everything starts with economics  AllentownJake   Oct-17-09 06:09 PM   #28 
         Do you consider Jimmy Carter a good president?  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 06:12 PM   #30 
         On somethings yes on other things no  AllentownJake   Oct-17-09 06:14 PM   #32 
         So Carter, who presided over a terrible economy, gets his presidency judged on his entire effort  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 06:16 PM   #33 
            The world isn't black and white  AllentownJake   Oct-17-09 06:20 PM   #36 
            That is a much different sentiment than "Meet the New Boss Same as the Old boss"  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 06:21 PM   #38 
               On my key issues he is  AllentownJake   Oct-17-09 06:23 PM   #39 
            Let me clarify. I don't mind people who say "I don't like the way he's handling X, Y or Z"  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 06:20 PM   #37 
            +1  AusDem   Oct-17-09 10:27 PM   #102 
            Exactly.  Starbucks Anarchist   Oct-18-09 02:07 AM   #142 
            this economy is worse than carter's.  Hannah Bell   Oct-18-09 04:26 AM   #157 
         Too much of a micromanager. However, he's hands down the best ex-president--  eridani   Oct-18-09 01:12 AM   #129 
         Economic Justice....  bvar22   Oct-17-09 09:15 PM   #76 
            The worst damage  billh58   Oct-17-09 10:10 PM   #94 
               Actually, the worst damage was done during the '90s.....  bvar22   Oct-18-09 10:37 AM   #178 
                  +1 NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagall are at the root of this.  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 11:02 AM   #187 
                     Too true,  billh58   Oct-18-09 03:06 PM   #223 
                        Thanks for that addition. I was not aware.  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 05:27 PM   #251 
                           This quote by  billh58   Oct-18-09 05:47 PM   #257 
                              It just gets better, doesn't it.  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 05:50 PM   #258 
   The choice was not about McSame ... there was a primary as well.  thunder rising   Oct-17-09 06:06 PM   #24 
   The members of the Nobel committee and millions of others around the world  pnwmom   Oct-17-09 06:01 PM   #21 
   When you say "Nobel committee", you need to qualify it by saying  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-17-09 06:29 PM   #42 
   Are there more than five members of the Nobel Committee now? Is there another Nobel Committee?  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 06:34 PM   #44 
   Why? The decision was unanimous. n/t  pnwmom   Oct-17-09 06:57 PM   #52 
   When you say "The members of the Nobel committee... disagree with you", you make it sound  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-17-09 06:36 PM   #46 
   They are called "the Nobel Committee". That is the proper term.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 06:38 PM   #49 
   One word: Kissinger n/t  n2doc   Oct-18-09 09:43 AM   #168 
   Yep. nt  anonymous171   Oct-17-09 06:42 PM   #51 
   Not true. Obama has done quite a few good things. However--  eridani   Oct-18-09 01:07 AM   #128 
   You are out of your fucking mind.  skyounkin   Oct-18-09 03:27 AM   #148 
   *yawn*  frog92969   Oct-17-09 05:49 PM   #11 
   Presumably things would also be worse under Pol Pot,  QC   Oct-17-09 05:55 PM   #16 
   It would only be worse for the intellectuals and professionals. Killing fields and all.  rhett o rick   Oct-17-09 08:04 PM   #71 
   Irrelevant. nt  anonymous171   Oct-17-09 06:07 PM   #27 
   Who are McCain and Palin?  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-17-09 06:25 PM   #40 
   Freepers ate lots and lots of pop tarts trying to get McCain/Palin elected  emulatorloo   Oct-17-09 06:34 PM   #45 
   With respect pnwmom, for a lot of people it couldnt get much worse. I see it every day.  rhett o rick   Oct-17-09 08:03 PM   #70 
   *Sigh* I love you pnwmom, but I'm so tired of this "argument"  Lorien   Oct-17-09 08:13 PM   #73 
   Gee, at least he's not Lyndon LaRouche!  MannyGoldstein   Oct-17-09 09:54 PM   #82 
   Let's see - PONY! ONLY BEEN X MONTHS! CHESS!  closeupready   Oct-17-09 11:46 PM   #111 
   You forgot the especially tired one about 589,998,356-dimensional chess.  QC   Oct-18-09 01:29 AM   #134 
      Dammit, you left out PONY!!  jgraz   Oct-18-09 01:55 AM   #138 
      Jeez, how could I have forgotten that one?  QC   Oct-18-09 02:24 AM   #145 
      +1  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-18-09 10:27 AM   #173 
      "It's all Bush's fault." Funny how we  DemBones DemBones   Oct-19-09 07:04 AM   #270 
   That stupid canard is really threadbare, too. Take it out behind the barn and shoot it, will you?  salguine   Oct-18-09 12:08 AM   #114 
   That wasn't the point of the OP. The point is, he was elected to give us  digidigido   Oct-18-09 04:16 AM   #154 
   worse than 10% unemployment? worse than escalation in afghanistan...  Hannah Bell   Oct-18-09 04:24 AM   #156 
   "It could be worse" is not a sufficient reason to support something. n/t  truth2power   Oct-18-09 11:20 AM   #189 
   On a positive note, in New Orleans he said he's just getting started. Keep hope alive!  timeforpeace   Oct-17-09 05:47 PM   #9 
   I am beginning to think that for the next four years all they are doing is shilling  Mari333   Oct-17-09 05:49 PM   #12 
   This is a really heartfelt post. Thanks for sharing it with us.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-17-09 05:54 PM   #15 
   It seems to be a trend  frog92969   Oct-17-09 05:55 PM   #17 
   Correct. Even the repukes knew a Dem would be elected after Bush. Any Dem.  timeforpeace   Oct-17-09 07:16 PM   #57 
   good op  ErinBerin84   Oct-17-09 05:56 PM   #18 
   Increased unemployment, food stamps, ssi, billions in public works  sandnsea   Oct-17-09 06:02 PM   #22 
   The problem is that he did not recruit us. A nation of followers lost their leader the day after  thunder rising   Oct-17-09 06:14 PM   #31 
   So you are ignoring "Increased unemployment benefits, food stamps, ssi, billions in public works?"  emulatorloo   Oct-17-09 06:38 PM   #48 
   What do you want, specifically? I don't get it.  sandnsea   Oct-17-09 07:00 PM   #53 
      What do you want...specifically ......  AnneD   Oct-18-09 03:57 AM   #152 
         !!!  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 09:16 AM   #158 
         !  bvar22   Oct-18-09 12:00 PM   #194 
         $4 billion in TARP profit reported  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 12:48 PM   #205 
            Tarp money paid back....  AnneD   Oct-19-09 10:07 AM   #273 
   There were financial wizards who wer right in predicting the blow-up  eridani   Oct-18-09 01:32 AM   #135 
      Geithner predicted the blow-up  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 11:29 AM   #190 
         Right. That's why all his fuckbuddies are from Goldman-Sachs n/t  eridani   Oct-19-09 05:52 AM   #269 
   I know MY life went flaming into the crapper right after McCain lost.  cliffordu   Oct-17-09 06:06 PM   #25 
   K&R  Fumesucker   Oct-17-09 06:16 PM   #34 
   Oh give me strength !!  lamp_shade   Oct-17-09 06:17 PM   #35 
   I'm still angry that FDR didn't solve the Depression by the end of his first term.  TwilightGardener   Oct-17-09 06:28 PM   #41 
   Compare FDR's first 100 days to Obama's, and you will see a very clear difference between the two.  anonymous171   Oct-17-09 06:37 PM   #47 
   They look almost identical  sandnsea   Oct-17-09 07:05 PM   #55 
   Like a firecracker and a howitzer  MannyGoldstein   Oct-17-09 10:07 PM   #91 
      There isn't 25% unemployment  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 12:49 PM   #206 
   And after 10 months, he wasn't just "getting started".  timeforpeace   Oct-17-09 07:19 PM   #58 
   +1  MannyGoldstein   Oct-17-09 10:05 PM   #88 
   If Obama had come into office in 1932 he might be implementing FDR policies.  Scarsdale Vibe   Oct-18-09 03:52 AM   #151 
      So the answer is to emulate Hoover?  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 09:19 AM   #159 
         In what way is he emulating Hoover? Hoover didn't do any deficit spending.  Scarsdale Vibe   Oct-18-09 04:18 PM   #245 
   And he might never have solved it without  quakerboy   Oct-17-09 10:06 PM   #89 
      Bingo.  NoUsername   Oct-18-09 12:56 AM   #122 
   Who is sponsoring the bill? What is the whip count?  VMI Dem   Oct-17-09 06:32 PM   #43 
   Millions are frustrated. You are not alone and the question  Fire1   Oct-17-09 07:08 PM   #56 
   Where the only ones are coming from now, government.  timeforpeace   Oct-17-09 07:21 PM   #59 
   There are 6M jobs being filled by H1-Bs for which there are well qualified Americans. Start there.  thunder rising   Oct-17-09 07:22 PM   #60 
      But that would be xenophobic!  anonymous171   Oct-17-09 07:43 PM   #67 
   I get the distinct impression  lukasahero   Oct-17-09 07:27 PM   #61 
   I'm sorry you feel that way (as I look at my orange beanie with the logo "Iowa Perfect Storm")  thunder rising   Oct-17-09 07:40 PM   #64 
   I was here.  bvar22   Oct-17-09 09:19 PM   #78 
   Well, if you check the details of the OP,  lukasahero   Oct-17-09 10:21 PM   #101 
   "Critical" post, not "whining" post  clear eye   Oct-18-09 01:56 AM   #139 
      Bwahahaha  lukasahero   Oct-18-09 09:26 AM   #161 
   +1, and any minute now someone will call those disappointed, or those that expected exactly what we  flyarm   Oct-18-09 02:01 AM   #140 
      LOL. You win!  bvar22   Oct-18-09 10:53 AM   #185 
   We're glad to see renewed interest in national politics and the Democratic Party's role in it all.  pintoDU Moderator   Oct-17-09 09:36 PM   #80 
   Gibberish, spoken like a true ward heeler.  smitty   Oct-17-09 09:57 PM   #83 
   You assume an awful lot.  JoeyT   Oct-18-09 02:48 AM   #147 
      Doing plenty on the ground as well  lukasahero   Oct-18-09 09:27 AM   #163 
         Good for you  JoeyT   Oct-18-09 10:07 AM   #170 
   You have no name and no value  Stinky The Clown   Oct-17-09 07:33 PM   #62 
   Stinky that be *we* in that title. I'm going to start wearing a sportzjacket.  thunder rising   Oct-17-09 07:51 PM   #68 
      It can, indeed, be "we"  Stinky The Clown   Oct-17-09 07:59 PM   #69 
   Yer numbers are wrong  The Traveler   Oct-17-09 07:41 PM   #65 
   You're right ... typo .. sry.  thunder rising   Oct-17-09 07:42 PM   #66 
   "What is it called when you allow 44,000 people a year to die so you can  NoUsername   Oct-18-09 01:17 AM   #131 
      +1  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-18-09 10:38 AM   #179 
   Ramen noodle consumption here is way up  Cherchez la Femme   Oct-17-09 08:34 PM   #74 
   "are younger voters still excited?" Just for info's sake:  emulatorloo   Oct-17-09 09:14 PM   #75 
   Wait until The Democrats FORCE them to BUY Health Insurance.  bvar22   Oct-17-09 09:17 PM   #77 
      Baucus version is the only real punitive bill. There are 5 bills out there. Baucus  emulatorloo   Oct-17-09 10:05 PM   #87 
      I wish that were true.  clear eye   Oct-18-09 02:15 AM   #143 
         Thats TRUE, though MOST don't know that, even at DU.  bvar22   Oct-18-09 10:46 AM   #182 
            Looks as though ALL the bills are "punitive"  clear eye   Oct-18-09 12:22 PM   #199 
               Should employers help pay for health coverage?  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 12:56 PM   #208 
                  The engine that has historically gotten us out of recession has been small business,  clear eye   Oct-18-09 01:26 PM   #211 
                  Small business is exempt and you know it  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 01:42 PM   #212 
                     Depends how you define small business.  clear eye   Oct-18-09 02:02 PM   #216 
                        Small mom & pop business, the ones struggling  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 02:19 PM   #218 
                           What "tax benefits"?  clear eye   Oct-18-09 03:19 PM   #225 
                              If you don't know that teensy bit of info  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 03:30 PM   #231 
                                 It is a teensy item. "available for up to 3...years"  clear eye   Oct-18-09 04:11 PM   #243 
                  Should employers help pay for health coverage?  bvar22   Oct-18-09 03:02 PM   #221 
                  They do in Canada  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 03:26 PM   #229 
                  Hawaii's employer-provided health care  billh58   Oct-18-09 04:00 PM   #238 
                     Nice article,  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 04:31 PM   #247 
      Thats gonna be a kick in the shorts for a few  quakerboy   Oct-17-09 10:12 PM   #96 
         When they get a subsidy and can see the doctor  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 01:42 PM   #213 
            As has been made abundantly clear, only a tiny fraction of current uninsured  clear eye   Oct-18-09 02:10 PM   #217 
            When people get health care  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 02:26 PM   #219 
               No, the argument for single payer is different.  clear eye   Oct-18-09 03:06 PM   #222 
                  Wow, so completely untrue  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 03:23 PM   #226 
                     There are tax benefits for some undefined amount for those people, not subsidies.  clear eye   Oct-18-09 04:01 PM   #239 
                     Sadly, pnhp lies too  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 04:10 PM   #242 
                        Prove it. n/t  clear eye   Oct-18-09 04:13 PM   #244 
                           I Posted The Legislation  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 04:25 PM   #246 
                              Link? Date? n/t  clear eye   Oct-18-09 04:32 PM   #248 
                     Self-delete.  clear eye   Oct-18-09 04:06 PM   #241 
            And when they dont get any subsidy  quakerboy   Oct-18-09 05:29 PM   #253 
   Maybe you can sell a kidney to someone at Goldman Sachs?  MannyGoldstein   Oct-17-09 09:57 PM   #84 
   Makes me wish somebody would challenge Obama for the Democratic nomination in 2012  Kievan Rus   Oct-17-09 09:59 PM   #85 
   Makes me wish Obama would get out in the front and push  quakerboy   Oct-17-09 10:17 PM   #99 
      But when the "right people" speak up, they're taken away in handcuffs.  salguine   Oct-18-09 12:13 AM   #115 
      or their planes mysteriously crash  FLAprogressive   Oct-18-09 12:19 AM   #117 
      The organizing started in June, did you join? n/t  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 01:43 PM   #214 
         Which organizing are you talking about?  quakerboy   Oct-18-09 05:24 PM   #250 
   I am just shocked! Simply shocked! n/t  change_notfinetuning   Oct-17-09 10:10 PM   #93 
   All those people complaining deserve McCain/Palin...  HipChick   Oct-17-09 10:15 PM   #97 
   That "argument" is so weak and stupid in so many ways. n/t  QC   Oct-18-09 01:25 AM   #133 
   .  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-18-09 10:42 AM   #180 
   We've got 30 years to undo  quakerboy   Oct-18-09 05:42 PM   #255 
   what flavor of ramen noodles did most people live on????  spanone   Oct-17-09 10:17 PM   #100 
   I prefer the chicken  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 09:28 AM   #164 
      beef is the only decent one  quakerboy   Oct-18-09 05:43 PM   #256 
   My plan: To look at Obama's campaign promises versus accomplishments.  davidwparker   Oct-17-09 10:28 PM   #103 
   He needs to stop actively covering up evidence of the previous administration's  ipaint   Oct-17-09 10:29 PM   #104 
   Ramen noodles  existentialist   Oct-17-09 11:29 PM   #108 
   Me too  donheld   Oct-17-09 11:29 PM   #109 
   Why are you sorry? It's true - he care less about little people than Wall Street Billionaires.  closeupready   Oct-17-09 11:45 PM   #110 
   +1  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-18-09 10:44 AM   #181 
   Barack's a better quarterback than McCain would have been.  OnyxCollie   Oct-17-09 11:52 PM   #112 
   Geez, it's all about you, isn't it?  treestar   Oct-18-09 12:15 AM   #116 
   -1  closeupready   Oct-18-09 02:39 PM   #220 
   K & R. nt  earth mom   Oct-18-09 12:29 AM   #118 
   Please explain " The party is in fact in decline".  Patriot 76   Oct-18-09 12:59 AM   #123 
   The approval numbers have been steadily declining. Some say independents. I think 18-25s saying WTF?  thunder rising   Oct-18-09 01:20 AM   #132 
   I learned long ago never to make that sort of monetary, time or emotional investment in a politician  MadHound   Oct-18-09 01:05 AM   #125 
   Well he's better than Bush or MaCain or Palin or Hitler or Stalin or Kim Jong Il! Golly Gee Whiz!  grahamhgreen   Oct-18-09 01:05 AM   #126 
   I guess I touched a nerve, positiver and negative. I guess this little rant needed to be written.  thunder rising   Oct-18-09 01:16 AM   #130 
   Rahm Emanuel believes that "grass roots" doesn't win elections.  scentopine   Oct-18-09 01:40 AM   #136 
   The DLC using repuke stategy?  frog92969   Oct-18-09 04:10 AM   #153 
   Who cares. Obama made 'history' last November. That's all that matters. n/t  newtothegame   Oct-18-09 02:18 AM   #144 
   Why does that bother you so much? You've posted the same comment over and over and over again.  SemiCharmedQuark   Oct-18-09 03:30 AM   #149 
      Because nothing else matters than that we get to tell our kids we voted for the 1st African-American  newtothegame   Oct-19-09 04:04 AM   #268 
   He Doesn't Need You Anymore n/t  Raejeanowl   Oct-18-09 02:43 AM   #146 
   I have and will support the prez, but I do have concerns  nvme   Oct-18-09 03:37 AM   #150 
   w00t!!  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 09:33 AM   #166 
   Get to fucking work!  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-18-09 10:48 AM   #184 
   SAME . nt  excess_3   Oct-18-09 09:27 AM   #162 
   You have every right to expect the President to get you a well paying job  AngryAmish   Oct-18-09 09:28 AM   #165 
   LOL.  TwilightGardener   Oct-18-09 10:22 AM   #172 
   I simply don't believe a word out of Obama's mouth  placton   Oct-18-09 09:50 AM   #169 
   Once again . . . you're mad at the wrong entity.  HughBeaumont   Oct-18-09 10:30 AM   #174 
   Obama is a "hostage"?  bvar22   Oct-18-09 12:07 PM   #195 
      I want to believe he is.  HughBeaumont   Oct-18-09 05:58 PM   #259 
   I am frustrated also.  WillieW   Oct-18-09 10:48 AM   #183 
   Sorry but I'm pleased pink with my President  madokie   Oct-18-09 10:54 AM   #186 
   It is a good thing that the banking regulations went into play so soon  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-18-09 11:10 AM   #188 
   How long will the "he's just getting started"  JonQ   Oct-18-09 12:20 PM   #198 
      Amen to that.  nvme   Oct-18-09 01:52 PM   #215 
   "Don't look back!"  Hubert Flottz   Oct-18-09 11:30 AM   #191 
   Thank you!  DailyGrind51   Oct-18-09 11:49 AM   #192 
   LOL. The big donors elected Obama. Give me a break with this weepy crap  L. Coyote   Oct-18-09 11:54 AM   #193 
   +1 nt  ooglymoogly   Oct-18-09 12:25 PM   #201 
   I am in the same boat pretty much  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-18-09 12:12 PM   #196 
   I lost my job with Obama in office.  BobRossi   Oct-18-09 12:15 PM   #197 
   That's confused.  clear eye   Oct-18-09 12:49 PM   #207 
   When you run on Yes We Can and all you get is compromise it feels "Hope"less  EndElectoral   Oct-18-09 12:45 PM   #203 
   We've been in a downhill slide since Reagan  CountAllVotes   Oct-18-09 12:45 PM   #204 
   Great title on your piece.  12AngryBorneoWildmen   Oct-18-09 01:21 PM   #209 
   I never expected Obama  Texasgal   Oct-18-09 01:24 PM   #210 
   I don't know how many more of these hand wringing threads I can take  bluestateguy   Oct-18-09 03:24 PM   #228 
   are you blind? do you not see how corrupt the entire federal government leadership is?  natrat   Oct-18-09 07:12 PM   #264 
   And the same shits come out of the woodwork  sharp_stick   Oct-18-09 03:26 PM   #230 
   Progressives should get behind third-party candidates in 2010 ...  Maat   Oct-18-09 03:37 PM   #233 
   won't happen. why some of you don't get that third parties need to  cali   Oct-18-09 03:39 PM   #235 
   Progressives should grow up and become the second party  sandnsea   Oct-18-09 03:44 PM   #237 
   "you're broke, so you really don't count anymore" welcome to the politics of reality  bobbolink   Oct-18-09 03:39 PM   #234 
   You have to send this directly to him  Christa   Oct-18-09 03:43 PM   #236 
   Did Obama not say that things would get worse before they got better?  elias7   Oct-18-09 04:57 PM   #249 
   I try that same tactic whenever I interview for a better job.  Balbus   Oct-18-09 07:05 PM   #262 
   Straw man n/t  elias7   Oct-19-09 10:01 AM   #272 
   I would buy that if he even deigned to listen to a progressive expert now and then.  clear eye   Oct-19-09 12:20 AM   #266 
   I don't know in what ways this touched so many DUers. I did not expect this reaction  thunder rising   Oct-18-09 05:27 PM   #252 
   Apparently he doesn't  backtomn   Oct-18-09 05:42 PM   #254 
   I guess I'm a "liberal whiner"  Missy Vixen   Oct-19-09 01:17 AM   #267 
   Lived on ramen noodles???  Beacool   Oct-18-09 06:31 PM   #261 
   they are crooks, they have taken the government-it's that simple  natrat   Oct-18-09 07:11 PM   #263 
   Keep your head up.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-18-09 07:13 PM   #265 
   I am pretty sure he does.  quaker bill   Oct-19-09 07:29 AM   #271 
   kick  democracy1st   Oct-19-09 06:05 PM   #275 
 
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:38 PM
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1. he's a millionaire, YOU are not. His friends are from Goldman Sachs. Yours? He has
accomplished some good things in his term. But now that he is an insider and no longer a challenger...well things change don't they?

Msongs
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 09:51 PM
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81. +1
We are chumps until 2012.

Enjoy the ride!
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 09:42 AM
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167. Sadly, we are chumps forever
Who's going to challenge Obama, a sitting president? Nobody. And the Repubs will nominate some horror show of a candidate, just like they always have. You will have no choice to change things for the better.

The people spoke last year, like they always do- they love them corporatists, or at least they have been taught to.

I don't know what might break the cycle. A complete collapse is just as likely to lead to a totalitarian state as we are quite a ways there already.
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Fire1sKid (146 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 03:19 PM
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224. He is the president,not the Messiah!
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 10:10 PM
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92. True, this. I saw Moore's new movie tonight and see all the Goldman Sachs
connections in the current administration.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 12:36 PM
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202. It is disgusting. The fact that Obama can appoint the criminals who created the economic crisis

...to LEAD the 'recovery' is vile.

Obama is a fraud. And, his election took the momentum of real change, diffused it, and allowed the corporations to push through policies that would have caused a rebellion, if a Republican President has instituted them.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 03:23 PM
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227. Meanwhile, John Edwards cannot run because of his affair.
That leaves Kucinich. At least Kucinich is honest and has his divorces behind him, hopefully.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 03:33 PM
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232. Exactly!
I re-registered as a Green shortly after he took office. I no longer believe in the "We can drive the party left" nonsense.

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-18-09 04:04 PM
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240. This is an excellent article, if you missed it frist time around.
Buying Brand Obama
By Chris Hedges

Barack Obama is a brand. And the Obama brand is designed to make us feel good about our government while corporate overlords loot the Treasury, our elected officials continue to have their palms greased by armies of corporate lobbyists, our corporate media diverts us with gossip and trivia and our imperial wars expand in the Middle East. Brand Obama is about being happy consumers. We are entertained. We feel hopeful. We like our president. We believe he is like us. But like all branded products spun out from the manipulative world of corporate advertising, we are being duped into doing and supporting a lot of things that are not in our interest.

more at link: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/04

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 10:17 PM
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98. Truth.
(even the good things are scraps/crumbs)

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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 11:13 PM
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107. +100 n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-18-09 10:17 AM
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171. +1000. nt
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 09:20 AM
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160. well said
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 10:34 AM
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175. I always laughed at the people who really bought the
"hope and change" rhetoric.

He's a politician, same as any other. He'll care about your worries only to the extent that it will get him reelected. Otherwise he's beholden to his financial donors.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 10:36 AM
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177. Me too.
My feelings exactly. :thumbsup:
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earthlite (33 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:39 PM
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2. Well said. Mirrors my feelings pretty close.
nt
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emsimon33 Donating Member (248 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 02:01 AM
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141. Me, too
What will they do if we just stay home in 2010...or in VA and NJ...this November? Get rid of Rahm and start working for the people and not the lobbyists.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:40 PM
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3. I am heartened by Biden
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:38 PM
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50. What about Biden? NT
NT
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 06:00 PM
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260. Read this week's Newsweek story (yeah, I know, newsweak...)
Apparently the man has been a big part of the "conscience" of this White House...

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:42 PM
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4. Can I get in here and take my crap on him, too?
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:03 PM by cliffordu
Oh, yeah. he's a SELF MADE millionaire, so if you're going to give the last 20 years of blame to him, at least get your fucking facts straight.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 11:01 PM
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106. Yeah- he made his millions exploiting all those helpless poor unfortunate
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 11:03 PM by stlsaxman
people who read books! and HOW DARE HE NOT hire a ghost writer!?! Guess he wanted all the profits for himself and his family...
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 01:06 AM
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127. That's right, he is a selfish bastard
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 05:42 PM
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5. +1 -- You and folks like you are the reason why so many of us
were and are frustrated.

Since 11/25/08, when I first voiced my "concerns" about the Geithner appointment and got flamed for it here on DU, I have said that we the people were being ignored, and they the bankers were getting all the attention.

Damn it, thunder rising, I wish to hell this shit hadn't happened to you. I wish to hell it hadn't gone this way for you and so many more like you. It sucks. It just plain sucks.

Hang in there. I can't promise it'll get better, nor can I promise it won't get any worse, but hangin' on is about all we can do any more.

:thumbsup: and :hug:



Tansy Gold
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 10:35 AM
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176. Hangin' In Is Getting Very Hard To Do! If Things Keep Going Down Hill
Obama owns it! Many don't like to hear this, many keep saying he inherited ALL this and that may be true... but for me, I'm seeing some "selling out" going on! I DON'T LIKE IT and if people like Reid & Baucus and the Blue Dogs aren't reigned in... then WHAT'S THE USE???

Some people just need to be taken to the WOOD SHED and given a stern talking to!! Just how I'm seeing it! I posted something about Goldman Sachs the other day and several of the replies just blew me off because of my concern.

THIS isn't moving the ball forward for the America people, when this administration has so many of these people working on OUR behalf!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 05:43 PM
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6. Meet the new boss
The same as the old boss
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:49 PM
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10. Bingo. n/t
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:52 PM
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14. Yes. George W. Bush and Barack Obama are the same.
Exactly. Thank you.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (543 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 07:02 PM
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54. This place has gone to shit.
We get a democrat for president and people here still bitch like Bush was still in office. Some people will never ever be satisfied. It must suck for you people to constantly live under a dark cloud.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 07:39 PM
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63. Well, I was striking a blow for sarcasm, actually.
As evidenced down below.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (543 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 10:11 PM
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95. I know you were being sarcastic.
I was just calling out the assholes here.
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salguine (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 12:06 AM
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113. If we did get a Democrat, how would we tell?
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NoUsername (205 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 12:34 AM
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119. That's easy.
By the (D) behind the name.

If Obama had an (R) behind his name, he would be absolutely lambasted for everything he's doing. But he has a (D) behind his name so it's A-OK.

You obviously need to get with the program.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 12:22 PM
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200. +1 nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 04:22 AM
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155. an officeholder with a (D) is the height of your ambitions? really?
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 04:22 AM by Hannah Bell
then these are glory days for you, i guess.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 08:06 PM
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72. You attempt at sarcasim failed. Besides to the millions out of work, hungry, living in cars or tent
they dont notice the difference. You live in comfort i assume. you speak like it.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 09:21 PM
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79. So does everyone here who has internet access and time to waste posting thoughts on a forum.
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 09:22 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
I do live in comfort. I recognize that. It's not the insult that you think it is.

Also, you don't speak for the all of the homeless or all of the poor. I work a soup kitchen in Chicago and the vast majority people there are not nearly as angry at Obama as some of the people here on DU.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 10:06 PM
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90. enough comfort to realize that there are millions of people who use library computers or those in
college campuses, who otherwise would not be able to get online to post thoughts.

People can be upset with President Obama, and still support him enough to call him Mr. President.

Merely for the sentiment of the OP I rec it. The fact is very true, thousands of people gave up all they had to help get Senator Obama elected president. He should be reminded of that when anyone who did such sees him, and I would expect him to say thank you, because he's a good guy.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 12:52 AM
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121. I like the OP. I rec'd the OP and I agree with your sentiment.
I dislike hysterical rants saying that Obama is the same as Bush. Not posts saying that he is the same as Bush on a specific issue (because on some issues, yes, he has kept Bush policies and he should be hammered for doing so) , but outright saying that he is the same as Bush period. I see people who have absolutely nothing. They line up an hour in advance to get a hot meal once a week. They don't get to go to college. They are kicked out of the libraries at night. And if THOSE people are joyful that Obama is president and that he is not Bush(and some of them are downright joyful) then why can't people who live in comfort accept the simple fact that Obama is not Bush?

This doesn't stop criticism of Obama or his policies. I don't know why this is so difficult for people to admit.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #79
120. I did not intend insult. I simply wish to emphsise that millions have not seen enough change to feed
themselves or their children.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 10:31 PM
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105. we have quite few houseless people here. n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 10:01 PM
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86. In the case of Bush, simply maintaining a third of his policies is toxic.
You don't have to match him exactly.
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 01:02 AM
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124. I guess it's close enough to Halloween to drag out the straw men. nt
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 01:45 AM
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137. Ok. Please explain what the phrase "Meet the Old Boss Same as the New Boss" means.
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct-19-09 05:42 PM
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274. Why did Obama say make me do it?
I'd wager, no one here thinks Bush and Obama are the same. I think you may be taking an argument to an extreme. That is why I wrote what I did.

I will borrow an argument even though it is somewhat inflammatory.

"The fundamental truth about the Obama administration is that it is the Bush administration run by slightly less incompetent, marginally less evil people:

* The Iraq occupation will end when Bush wanted it to.
* The Bush administration's campaign of eradication of fundamental civil liberties, including the gutting of the 4th amendment and holding people without trial, continues.
* The Afghan war continues, and is even being escalated.
* The signature issue of "health care reform" is a scheme which will force citizens to buy private insurance which, because of lack of effective controls, will increase in price faster than wages or inflation.
* Obama and Geithner have followed the Bush/Paulson financial policies, virtually to the letter, spending trillions bailing out Wall Street and creating a financial sector which has fewer, larger actors with more political power than before.
* Obama continues to exert pressure primarily on Progressives rather than on Blue Dogs in order to obtain relatively more conservative rather than liberal bills. (This is not an accident.) The most liberal bill always comes from the House, the conference committee bill is inevitably closer to the more conservative Senate bill. (This is not an accident.)
* Unlike Bush Jr, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Reagan, Obama has not replaced the prior administration's district attorneys wholesale, instead leaving in place the majority of the Bush administration DA's who had survived Rove's purges intended to make sure they were loyal Republican apparatchiks.
* Obama has not cleaned out the administration in general of Bush-era appointees and plants; indeed he has filled less spots than either Clinton or Bush II had by this point in their terms—and no, it's not because the Senate won't confirm them.
* Obama appointees will be forced to resign if the right wing (aka Beck) goes after them hard, but if progressives don't like them, tough luck.
* Obama's economic team is filled with people who created the framework which allowed the financial meltdown to occur, who didn't see it coming, and whose solution to it is to give money to their friends and colleagues and try and get another bubble started."

http://openleft.com/diary/15113/meet-the-new-boss

I don't entirely agree because of all the positive the President has done but he has also done some bad things. I am not saying throw the bum out. I am saying we need to get active and push back.

So, yeah, I stand by my earlier statement.
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:43 PM
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7. So you don't think things would be WORSE under McCain/Palin? n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Other than a few issues
The world would pretty much look the same as it does right now.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. Oh brother...
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 05:52 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
:eyes:

If you think that Obama and McCain would be "about the same" you're beyond reason. This is not to say that Obama doesn't need to improve on certain areas or even that Obama isn't merely the lesser of two evils. But my god, Obama is the FAR lesser of two evils.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:00 PM
Original message
+1 n/t
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #13
29. Evil is still evil
whether or not the evil is turned up to elevenses.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:57 PM
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19. So, McCain would have done the same stuff as Obama? Wow!
McCain would be drawing down troops in Iraq, ordered the closing of Gitmo, changed procedures to the FOIA, reversed Bush's ban on funding to foreign organizations that allow abortions, signed into law easing the federal requirements for filing employment discrimination and signed a law that increased the number of children covered uner SCHIP (which he voted against in the senate, IRRC). McCain would have reversed Bush's policy to use tax dollars for stem cell research, too.

Oh, and McCain would have nominated Sonya Sotomayer, too. And let us not forget that the rest of the world would have LOVED McCain almost as much as they hated Bush.

To top it off, McCain would have taken on health care reform, too.

Wow, I obviously voted for the wrong guy.

:sarcasm:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Yes! Apparently McCain's votes in Congress (say against the anti-rape bill) were just for giggles
And he would be doing about the same things as Obama now.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. I don't see what you are referring to has anything to do with economics
and that is what the OP is referring to.

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:07 PM
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26. The U.S. has ONE president. There's not a President of the Economy and President of the Environment
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:08 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
a President of Domestic Affairs, A president of Foreign Affairs, etc. etc. etc.

We get one person.

So you cannot say that Obama is the same as Bush or about the same as McCain and expect people to think you are only talking about economic affairs. The quality of a president incorporates all aspects of said presidency.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Everything starts with economics
and I see the past 30 years of nonsense is preached and embraced by this administration. Although, at a slightly less shrill tone.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:12 PM
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30. Do you consider Jimmy Carter a good president?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. On somethings yes on other things no
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:15 PM by AllentownJake
I'll agree this administrations approach to the empire, is much better than the last administration's.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:16 PM
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33. So Carter, who presided over a terrible economy, gets his presidency judged on his entire effort
instead of just the economy.

And Obama is the same as Bush because all things start with economics.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 06:20 PM
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36. The world isn't black and white
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:21 PM by AllentownJake
Carter did some good things (efforts in world peace, trying to be honest with Americans about the economic situation, etc). Barack Obama is doing some good things as well. However, on the big issues which will determine the fate of our nation 10 years out he has a very spotty record. On those issues, I see us going in a similar trajectory that we were going before albeit at a slower pace. I hope I'm wrong.

Time will only tell.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. That is a much different sentiment than "Meet the New Boss Same as the Old boss"
or
"He's about the same as McCain would have been"
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. On my key issues he is
However, those are just my key issues. The country isn't really ready to talk about those issues yet.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Let me clarify. I don't mind people who say "I don't like the way he's handling X, Y or Z"
There are several issues of my own that fit there. I absolutely cannot stand people who say he's the same as the old boss or he's no better than McCain. That's just foolishness.
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AusDem (162 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 10:27 PM
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102. +1
thanks for some level headedness
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #37
142. Exactly.
Saying he's like Bush or McCain is a prize-winning sort of idiocy.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 04:26 AM
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157. this economy is worse than carter's.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #30
129. Too much of a micromanager. However, he's hands down the best ex-president--
--our country has ever known, with the possible exception of Adams, who went back and served in the House of Representatives.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #28
76. Economic Justice....
...IS the BIGGEST Social Issue.
And Working Americans are not getting it.(Economic Justice)
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billh58 Donating Member (904 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 10:10 PM
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94. The worst damage
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 10:17 PM by billh58
to the economy, and the trend toward "downsizing" jobs, was well underway before Candidate Obama even decided to run for the Oval Office. The current "depression" started to snowball toward the end of 2007, and became a crisis by the middle of 2008 (just over a year ago). After decades of neoconservative deregulation and failure to enforce anti-monopoly laws, the American economy turned to shit, and took most of the world with it.

I seriously doubt that anyone, or any team of crackerjack economists, could have made much more progress at a recovery by this point than has President Obama and his administration. We have not completed the first part of any triage procedure: stopping the bleeding. Phase II will mainly consist of creating more jobs, and dealing with the millions of foreclosures that are still to come. Phase III will be tied to reinforcing the Dollar, and dealing with the permanent level of higher energy costs.

A single term will most likely not be enough time to complete Phase II, and two terms may not be enough time to even begin Phase III.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #94
178. Actually, the worst damage was done during the '90s.....
Bush just happened to be riding the deregulation/FreeMarkets horse when it collapsed.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #178
187. +1 NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagall are at the root of this.
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billh58 Donating Member (904 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-18-09 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #187
223. Too true,
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 03:52 PM by billh58
but the erosion of Glass-Steagall began under Ronny Raygun's "trickle-down" madness in the 1980s, and by the time Slick Willy got his hands on it, it was already toothless:

http://news.briefing.com/GeneralContent/Investor/Active...

Deregulation began with the Kristol/Raygun/Gingrich neoconservative movement (they fired Volker for not supporting deregulation), and the Bush/Rove/Gingrich/Delay neoconservatives showed their reverence to Raygun by continuing the policy at every opportunity. They have controlled the Congress, the Oval Office, or both, for the better part of the past three decades, and deregulation along with obscene tax cuts for the top 1% in this country, have been their stock-in-trade.

I also recognize that Bill Clinton's "triangulation," and the advent of the neoconservative wing of the Democratic Party, the DLC, was part and parcel of this treasonous movement to destroy the Labor Movement and the Middle Class in the USA.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #223
251. Thanks for that addition. I was not aware.
:hi:
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billh58 Donating Member (904 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-18-09 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #251
257. This quote by
Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz (economist) sums it up nicely:

"Paul Volcker, the previous Fed Chairman known for keeping inflation under control, was fired because the Reagan administration didn't believe he was an adequate de-regulator. Our country has thus suffered from the consequences of choosing as regulator-in-chief of the economy someone who didn't believe in regulation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker

:hi:
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 05:50 PM
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258. It just gets better, doesn't it.
*sigh*
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thunder rising (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:06 PM
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24. The choice was not about McSame ... there was a primary as well.
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:01 PM
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21. The members of the Nobel committee and millions of others around the world
disagree with you. The neo-cons were/are a true threat.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:29 PM
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42. When you say "Nobel committee", you need to qualify it by saying
THE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE NOBEL COMMITTEE.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:34 PM
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44. Are there more than five members of the Nobel Committee now? Is there another Nobel Committee?
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:35 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:57 PM
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52. Why? The decision was unanimous. n/t
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:36 PM
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46. When you say "The members of the Nobel committee... disagree with you", you make it sound
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:37 PM by cherokeeprogressive
as if they're a large body, and not just five white guys from Norwegia, apointed by the Norwegian Parliament and closely matching its political and ideological makeup.

And yes, I know it's Norway.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:38 PM
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49. They are called "the Nobel Committee". That is the proper term.
If people do not know anything about Nobel Prizes, then I suppose they may think it's a large governing body or maybe even citizens of a country called Nobel. But the poster obviously assumed that people were semi-educated.
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168. One word: Kissinger n/t
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51. Yep. nt
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 01:07 AM
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128. Not true. Obama has done quite a few good things. However--
--right now we need BOLD things on health care, financial regulation and climate change, and we aren't getting them.
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skyounkin (462 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 03:27 AM
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148. You are out of your fucking mind.
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:49 PM
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11. *yawn*
Did you say something?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:55 PM
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16. Presumably things would also be worse under Pol Pot,
but that sets the bar awfully low, don't you think?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 08:04 PM
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71. It would only be worse for the intellectuals and professionals. Killing fields and all.
But for the millions out of work, hungry, and foreclosed, cant get much worse.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 06:07 PM
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27. Irrelevant. nt
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:25 PM
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40. Who are McCain and Palin?
There's a vague memory of having heard their names before, but I don't think I can place them.

This argument is so old that it needs the dust blown off of it every time people like you trot it out.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:34 PM
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45. Freepers ate lots and lots of pop tarts trying to get McCain/Palin elected
And ever since they have been buying teabags like crazy to de-rail Obama's Marxist Plan To Destroy America.

How could you forget?

Besides, McCain is on TV every day, and Palin has a 400 page autobiography that is "#1 at AMAZON!!!!!!"

How can we forget them when they won't go away?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 08:03 PM
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70. With respect pnwmom, for a lot of people it couldnt get much worse. I see it every day.
People, children living in cars and tents. Ask them if it would be worse under McPalin.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 08:13 PM
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73. *Sigh* I love you pnwmom, but I'm so tired of this "argument"
one doesn't have to back the opposition to be disappointed in who we elected. No, of course McCain/ Palin wouldn't be BETTER, but for so many of us NOTHING is GETTING BETTER right now. Keeping the status quo isn't helping. We need real change and immediate action.We need what we voted for. Lives depend on it.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-17-09 09:54 PM
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82. Gee, at least he's not Lyndon LaRouche!
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 09:59 PM by MannyGoldstein
The "he could suck worse" argument isn't a great one.

Look, Obama made promise he chooses not to keep.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 11:46 PM
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111. Let's see - PONY! ONLY BEEN X MONTHS! CHESS!
(Help me here - what did I miss?)
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 01:29 AM
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134. You forgot the especially tired one about 589,998,356-dimensional chess.
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 01:46 AM by QC
Oh, also the one about turning around a really, really, really big ship.

And you neglected to accuse anyone of poutrage.

I think that about covers it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 01:55 AM
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138. Dammit, you left out PONY!!
That's my favorite.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 02:24 AM
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145. Jeez, how could I have forgotten that one?
Does anything say kool kiddie quite like comparing basic human rights to a bratty child's demand for an impossible Christmas present?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-18-09 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #134
173. +1
:evilgrin: :thumbsup:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-19-09 07:04 AM
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270. "It's all Bush's fault." Funny how we

did NOT buy that 9/11 was Clinton's fault since it happened nine months into Bush's term. And Clinton did NOT try to blame Mogadishu on Poppy Bush even though it happened right after he took office and Poppy had sent the troops in very late in his term.

Every president inherits problems. Obama made a big deal about all he would do early in his term. What happened to all those promises? So far he's enriched the bankers and is trying to pass a health care bill that would raise premiums and fine people who are uninsured. Those who can't afford insurance damned sure can't afford to pay a fine. Will we have debtors' prisons? Or indentured servitude?

We sure as hell won't have ponies. YES WE CAN. . . DO WITHOUT.

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salguine (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 12:08 AM
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114. That stupid canard is really threadbare, too. Take it out behind the barn and shoot it, will you?
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 12:09 AM by salguine
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digidigido (422 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 04:16 AM
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154. That wasn't the point of the OP. The point is, he was elected to give us
"change we could believe in", for "the audacity of hope", and "the fierce urgency of now"
And a lot of us worked our asses off to make that happen, and guess what..... it isn't.
The issue isn't is he better then McCain and Palin would have been, the issue is there
is not a hell of a lot of transparency in his government, the war he spoke out against
is getting more involved, and it's an un-winnable war that is plundering our national treasure.
Rendition is still going on, Gitmo is still open, and in all likelihood will stay open for a
while. There has been no action taken for verified voting, Glass Steagal has not been put
back into place, the banks are still too big to fail, and are not lending money. So tell
me my good friend, isn't it wonderful that he's going to repeal Don't ask don't tell, wow
change I can believe in, I'm sooooo thrilled I sent him money and had my kids go door to
door in Nevada for him. Talk is cheap, actions speak. If you're going to inspire and lead
then you damn well better deliver or you're going to raise another generation of cynics
who won't vote
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 04:24 AM
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156. worse than 10% unemployment? worse than escalation in afghanistan...


no, i actually don't think it would be worse were mccain in office.

nope, i don't.
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-18-09 11:20 AM
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189. "It could be worse" is not a sufficient reason to support something. n/t
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:47 PM
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9. On a positive note, in New Orleans he said he's just getting started. Keep hope alive!
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 05:47 PM by timeforpeace
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:49 PM
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12. I am beginning to think that for the next four years all they are doing is shilling
for votes. and going to the wrong side looking for them.
the DC beltway crowd is out of touch.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:54 PM
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15. This is a really heartfelt post. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:55 PM
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17. It seems to be a trend
We can't get a Dem in the White House AND expect them to uphold
core Democratic principles.

It has alot to do with that "electable" meme we always swallow
hook line and stinker.

My imaginary dog could have beat McSame.
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 07:16 PM
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57. Correct. Even the repukes knew a Dem would be elected after Bush. Any Dem.
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ErinBerin84 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 05:56 PM
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18. good op
with some crappy, tired replies to it. But good op.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:02 PM
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22. Increased unemployment, food stamps, ssi, billions in public works
It's not his fault the financial wizards blew up the economy.
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thunder rising (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:14 PM
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31. The problem is that he did not recruit us. A nation of followers lost their leader the day after
the election.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-17-09 06:38 PM
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48. So you are ignoring "Increased unemployment benefits, food stamps, ssi, billions in public works?"
as sandandsea points out, Obama has done that too to help.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile