thunder rising
(1000+ posts)
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Sat Oct-17-09 05:36 PM
Original message |
| Mr President, do know how many people lived on ramen noodles to get you elected? |
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How many gave up savings? How many people gave up entertainment? How many people sensing the collapse of our financial system literally threw you forward like a Hail Mary pass in hopes that you would act in our best interest; you know, the *people* people of the United States?
I'm now unemployed, uninsured, and foreclosed. All of these issues were addressed in your campaign promises. Do you think we as a group of evermore impoverished plain Americans we can preserver as long as the Democratic Asshole Senators can delay? The proof is in: 122 less voters will be available by tomorrow; 4K by the next election.
And I know that in the Democratic political strategist minds they are thinking; you're broke, so you really don't count anymore.
My employment prospects were sent to India and/or simply filled on site with an H1-B. Do you think we could get some relief on that. At least let us know that you're interested in the plight of the plain everyday Americans that sent those small donations?
Do you think the younger voters that were *so* hyped up about your election are still excited? I was once 18-25 yrs old and I can tell you they are seeing the same old politics of getting served scraps justified with more intellectual arguments. Yes, the crowds love to cheer you--you being a charismatic speaker can work a crowd. However, that glow isn't lasting nearly as long as it used to. There is no "force multiplier". Nobody is going out registering voters or calling their friends. The party is in fact in decline and it's your watch.
The time is at hand ... we need you to work for us now.
(Sry folks, I love that President, but I'm getting frustrated)
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he's a millionaire, YOU are not. His friends are from Goldman Sachs. Yours? He has |
msongs |
Oct-17-09 05:38 PM |
#1 |
 
+1 |
MannyGoldstein |
Oct-17-09 09:51 PM |
#81 |
  
Sadly, we are chumps forever |
n2doc |
Oct-18-09 09:42 AM |
#167 |
  
He is the president,not the Messiah! |
Fire1sKid |
Oct-18-09 03:19 PM |
#224 |
 
True, this. I saw Moore's new movie tonight and see all the Goldman Sachs |
davidwparker |
Oct-17-09 10:10 PM |
#92 |
  
It is disgusting. The fact that Obama can appoint the criminals who created the economic crisis |
debbierlus |
Oct-18-09 12:36 PM |
#202 |
 
Meanwhile, John Edwards cannot run because of his affair. |
JDPriestly |
Oct-18-09 03:23 PM |
#227 |
 
Exactly! |
Maat |
Oct-18-09 03:33 PM |
#232 |
 
This is an excellent article, if you missed it frist time around. |
CrispyQ |
Oct-18-09 04:04 PM |
#240 |
 
Truth. |
Greyhound |
Oct-17-09 10:17 PM |
#98 |
 
+100 n/t |
tonysam |
Oct-17-09 11:13 PM |
#107 |
  
+1000. nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Oct-18-09 10:17 AM |
#171 |
 
well said |
joeycola |
Oct-18-09 09:20 AM |
#160 |
 
I always laughed at the people who really bought the |
JonQ |
Oct-18-09 10:34 AM |
#175 |

Me too. |
bigwillq |
Oct-18-09 10:36 AM |
#177 |

Well said. Mirrors my feelings pretty close. |
earthlite |
Oct-17-09 05:39 PM |
#2 |
 
Me, too |
emsimon33 |
Oct-18-09 02:01 AM |
#141 |

I am heartened by Biden |
Taverner |
Oct-17-09 05:40 PM |
#3 |
 
What about Biden? NT |
Eric J in MN |
Oct-17-09 06:38 PM |
#50 |

Read this week's Newsweek story (yeah, I know, newsweak...) |
Taverner |
Oct-18-09 06:00 PM |
#260 |

Can I get in here and take my crap on him, too? |
cliffordu |
Oct-17-09 05:42 PM |
#4 |
 
Yeah- he made his millions exploiting all those helpless poor unfortunate |
stlsaxman |
Oct-17-09 11:01 PM |
#106 |

That's right, he is a selfish bastard |
cliffordu |
Oct-18-09 01:06 AM |
#127 |

+1 -- You and folks like you are the reason why so many of us |
Tansy_Gold |
Oct-17-09 05:42 PM |
#5 |
 
Hangin' In Is Getting Very Hard To Do! If Things Keep Going Down Hill |
ChiciB1 |
Oct-18-09 10:35 AM |
#176 |

Meet the new boss |
AllentownJake |
Oct-17-09 05:43 PM |
#6 |
 
Bingo. n/t |
OhioChick |
Oct-17-09 05:49 PM |
#10 |
 
Yes. George W. Bush and Barack Obama are the same. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 05:52 PM |
#14 |

This place has gone to shit. |
liquid diamond |
Oct-17-09 07:02 PM |
#54 |
 
Well, I was striking a blow for sarcasm, actually. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 07:39 PM |
#63 |
  
I know you were being sarcastic. |
liquid diamond |
Oct-17-09 10:11 PM |
#95 |
 
If we did get a Democrat, how would we tell? |
salguine |
Oct-18-09 12:06 AM |
#113 |
  
That's easy. |
NoUsername |
Oct-18-09 12:34 AM |
#119 |
 
+1 nt |
ooglymoogly |
Oct-18-09 12:22 PM |
#200 |
 
an officeholder with a (D) is the height of your ambitions? really? |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-18-09 04:22 AM |
#155 |

You attempt at sarcasim failed. Besides to the millions out of work, hungry, living in cars or tent |
rhett o rick |
Oct-17-09 08:06 PM |
#72 |
 
So does everyone here who has internet access and time to waste posting thoughts on a forum. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 09:21 PM |
#79 |
  
enough comfort to realize that there are millions of people who use library computers or those in |
Divine Discontent |
Oct-17-09 10:06 PM |
#90 |
   
I like the OP. I rec'd the OP and I agree with your sentiment. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-18-09 12:52 AM |
#121 |
  
I did not intend insult. I simply wish to emphsise that millions have not seen enough change to feed |
rhett o rick |
Oct-18-09 12:52 AM |
#120 |
 
we have quite few houseless people here. n/t |
Greyhound |
Oct-17-09 10:31 PM |
#105 |

In the case of Bush, simply maintaining a third of his policies is toxic. |
rug |
Oct-17-09 10:01 PM |
#86 |

I guess it's close enough to Halloween to drag out the straw men. nt |
Mithreal |
Oct-18-09 01:02 AM |
#124 |

Ok. Please explain what the phrase "Meet the Old Boss Same as the New Boss" means. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-18-09 01:45 AM |
#137 |

Why did Obama say make me do it? |
Mithreal |
Oct-19-09 05:42 PM |
#274 |

So you don't think things would be WORSE under McCain/Palin? n/t |
pnwmom |
Oct-17-09 05:43 PM |
#7 |
 
Other than a few issues |
AllentownJake |
Oct-17-09 05:45 PM |
#8 |
  
Oh brother... |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 05:50 PM |
#13 |
   
+1 n/t |
malaise |
Oct-17-09 06:00 PM |
# |
   
Evil is still evil |
conscious evolution |
Oct-17-09 06:10 PM |
#29 |
  
So, McCain would have done the same stuff as Obama? Wow! |
cynatnite |
Oct-17-09 05:57 PM |
#19 |
   
Yes! Apparently McCain's votes in Congress (say against the anti-rape bill) were just for giggles |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 06:00 PM |
#20 |
   
I don't see what you are referring to has anything to do with economics |
AllentownJake |
Oct-17-09 06:03 PM |
#23 |
    
The U.S. has ONE president. There's not a President of the Economy and President of the Environment |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 06:07 PM |
#26 |
   
Everything starts with economics |
AllentownJake |
Oct-17-09 06:09 PM |
#28 |
   
Do you consider Jimmy Carter a good president? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 06:12 PM |
#30 |
    
On somethings yes on other things no |
AllentownJake |
Oct-17-09 06:14 PM |
#32 |
     
So Carter, who presided over a terrible economy, gets his presidency judged on his entire effort |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 06:16 PM |
#33 |
    
The world isn't black and white |
AllentownJake |
Oct-17-09 06:20 PM |
#36 |
     
That is a much different sentiment than "Meet the New Boss Same as the Old boss" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 06:21 PM |
#38 |
    
On my key issues he is |
AllentownJake |
Oct-17-09 06:23 PM |
#39 |
    
Let me clarify. I don't mind people who say "I don't like the way he's handling X, Y or Z" |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 06:20 PM |
#37 |
     
+1 |
AusDem |
Oct-17-09 10:27 PM |
#102 |
     
Exactly. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Oct-18-09 02:07 AM |
#142 |
    
this economy is worse than carter's. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-18-09 04:26 AM |
#157 |
    
Too much of a micromanager. However, he's hands down the best ex-president-- |
eridani |
Oct-18-09 01:12 AM |
#129 |
   
Economic Justice.... |
bvar22 |
Oct-17-09 09:15 PM |
#76 |
   
The worst damage |
billh58 |
Oct-17-09 10:10 PM |
#94 |
   
Actually, the worst damage was done during the '90s..... |
bvar22 |
Oct-18-09 10:37 AM |
#178 |
   
+1 NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagall are at the root of this. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-18-09 11:02 AM |
#187 |
   
Too true, |
billh58 |
Oct-18-09 03:06 PM |
#223 |
   
Thanks for that addition. I was not aware. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-18-09 05:27 PM |
#251 |
   
This quote by |
billh58 |
Oct-18-09 05:47 PM |
#257 |
   
It just gets better, doesn't it. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-18-09 05:50 PM |
#258 |
   
The choice was not about McSame ... there was a primary as well. |
thunder rising |
Oct-17-09 06:06 PM |
#24 |
  
The members of the Nobel committee and millions of others around the world |
pnwmom |
Oct-17-09 06:01 PM |
#21 |
   
When you say "Nobel committee", you need to qualify it by saying |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-17-09 06:29 PM |
#42 |
    
Are there more than five members of the Nobel Committee now? Is there another Nobel Committee? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 06:34 PM |
#44 |
    
Why? The decision was unanimous. n/t |
pnwmom |
Oct-17-09 06:57 PM |
#52 |
   
When you say "The members of the Nobel committee... disagree with you", you make it sound |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-17-09 06:36 PM |
#46 |
    
They are called "the Nobel Committee". That is the proper term. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 06:38 PM |
#49 |
   
One word: Kissinger n/t |
n2doc |
Oct-18-09 09:43 AM |
#168 |
  
Yep. nt |
anonymous171 |
Oct-17-09 06:42 PM |
#51 |
  
Not true. Obama has done quite a few good things. However-- |
eridani |
Oct-18-09 01:07 AM |
#128 |
  
You are out of your fucking mind. |
skyounkin |
Oct-18-09 03:27 AM |
#148 |
 
*yawn* |
frog92969 |
Oct-17-09 05:49 PM |
#11 |
 
Presumably things would also be worse under Pol Pot, |
QC |
Oct-17-09 05:55 PM |
#16 |
  
It would only be worse for the intellectuals and professionals. Killing fields and all. |
rhett o rick |
Oct-17-09 08:04 PM |
#71 |
 
Irrelevant. nt |
anonymous171 |
Oct-17-09 06:07 PM |
#27 |
 
Who are McCain and Palin? |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-17-09 06:25 PM |
#40 |
  
Freepers ate lots and lots of pop tarts trying to get McCain/Palin elected |
emulatorloo |
Oct-17-09 06:34 PM |
#45 |
 
With respect pnwmom, for a lot of people it couldnt get much worse. I see it every day. |
rhett o rick |
Oct-17-09 08:03 PM |
#70 |
 
*Sigh* I love you pnwmom, but I'm so tired of this "argument" |
Lorien |
Oct-17-09 08:13 PM |
#73 |
 
Gee, at least he's not Lyndon LaRouche! |
MannyGoldstein |
Oct-17-09 09:54 PM |
#82 |
 
Let's see - PONY! ONLY BEEN X MONTHS! CHESS! |
closeupready |
Oct-17-09 11:46 PM |
#111 |
  
You forgot the especially tired one about 589,998,356-dimensional chess. |
QC |
Oct-18-09 01:29 AM |
#134 |
 
Dammit, you left out PONY!! |
jgraz |
Oct-18-09 01:55 AM |
#138 |
  
Jeez, how could I have forgotten that one? |
QC |
Oct-18-09 02:24 AM |
#145 |
 
+1 |
SammyWinstonJack |
Oct-18-09 10:27 AM |
#173 |
 
"It's all Bush's fault." Funny how we |
DemBones DemBones |
Oct-19-09 07:04 AM |
#270 |
 
That stupid canard is really threadbare, too. Take it out behind the barn and shoot it, will you? |
salguine |
Oct-18-09 12:08 AM |
#114 |
 
That wasn't the point of the OP. The point is, he was elected to give us |
digidigido |
Oct-18-09 04:16 AM |
#154 |
 
worse than 10% unemployment? worse than escalation in afghanistan... |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-18-09 04:24 AM |
#156 |
 
"It could be worse" is not a sufficient reason to support something. n/t |
truth2power |
Oct-18-09 11:20 AM |
#189 |

On a positive note, in New Orleans he said he's just getting started. Keep hope alive! |
timeforpeace |
Oct-17-09 05:47 PM |
#9 |

I am beginning to think that for the next four years all they are doing is shilling |
Mari333 |
Oct-17-09 05:49 PM |
#12 |

This is a really heartfelt post. Thanks for sharing it with us. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-17-09 05:54 PM |
#15 |

It seems to be a trend |
frog92969 |
Oct-17-09 05:55 PM |
#17 |
 
Correct. Even the repukes knew a Dem would be elected after Bush. Any Dem. |
timeforpeace |
Oct-17-09 07:16 PM |
#57 |

good op |
ErinBerin84 |
Oct-17-09 05:56 PM |
#18 |

Increased unemployment, food stamps, ssi, billions in public works |
sandnsea |
Oct-17-09 06:02 PM |
#22 |
 
The problem is that he did not recruit us. A nation of followers lost their leader the day after |
thunder rising |
Oct-17-09 06:14 PM |
#31 |
  
So you are ignoring "Increased unemployment benefits, food stamps, ssi, billions in public works?" |
emulatorloo |
Oct-17-09 06:38 PM |
#48 |
  
What do you want, specifically? I don't get it. |
sandnsea |
Oct-17-09 07:00 PM |
#53 |
 
What do you want...specifically ...... |
AnneD |
Oct-18-09 03:57 AM |
#152 |
 
!!! |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-18-09 09:16 AM |
#158 |
 
! |
bvar22 |
Oct-18-09 12:00 PM |
#194 |
 
$4 billion in TARP profit reported |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 12:48 PM |
#205 |
 
Tarp money paid back.... |
AnneD |
Oct-19-09 10:07 AM |
#273 |
 
There were financial wizards who wer right in predicting the blow-up |
eridani |
Oct-18-09 01:32 AM |
#135 |

Geithner predicted the blow-up |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 11:29 AM |
#190 |

Right. That's why all his fuckbuddies are from Goldman-Sachs n/t |
eridani |
Oct-19-09 05:52 AM |
#269 |

I know MY life went flaming into the crapper right after McCain lost. |
cliffordu |
Oct-17-09 06:06 PM |
#25 |

K&R |
Fumesucker |
Oct-17-09 06:16 PM |
#34 |

Oh give me strength !! |
lamp_shade |
Oct-17-09 06:17 PM |
#35 |

I'm still angry that FDR didn't solve the Depression by the end of his first term. |
TwilightGardener |
Oct-17-09 06:28 PM |
#41 |
 
Compare FDR's first 100 days to Obama's, and you will see a very clear difference between the two. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-17-09 06:37 PM |
#47 |
  
They look almost identical |
sandnsea |
Oct-17-09 07:05 PM |
#55 |
   
Like a firecracker and a howitzer |
MannyGoldstein |
Oct-17-09 10:07 PM |
#91 |
  
There isn't 25% unemployment |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 12:49 PM |
#206 |
  
And after 10 months, he wasn't just "getting started". |
timeforpeace |
Oct-17-09 07:19 PM |
#58 |
  
+1 |
MannyGoldstein |
Oct-17-09 10:05 PM |
#88 |
  
If Obama had come into office in 1932 he might be implementing FDR policies. |
Scarsdale Vibe |
Oct-18-09 03:52 AM |
#151 |
 
So the answer is to emulate Hoover? |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-18-09 09:19 AM |
#159 |
 
In what way is he emulating Hoover? Hoover didn't do any deficit spending. |
Scarsdale Vibe |
Oct-18-09 04:18 PM |
#245 |
 
And he might never have solved it without |
quakerboy |
Oct-17-09 10:06 PM |
#89 |

Bingo. |
NoUsername |
Oct-18-09 12:56 AM |
#122 |

Who is sponsoring the bill? What is the whip count? |
VMI Dem |
Oct-17-09 06:32 PM |
#43 |

Millions are frustrated. You are not alone and the question |
Fire1 |
Oct-17-09 07:08 PM |
#56 |
 
Where the only ones are coming from now, government. |
timeforpeace |
Oct-17-09 07:21 PM |
#59 |
 
There are 6M jobs being filled by H1-Bs for which there are well qualified Americans. Start there. |
thunder rising |
Oct-17-09 07:22 PM |
#60 |

But that would be xenophobic! |
anonymous171 |
Oct-17-09 07:43 PM |
#67 |

I get the distinct impression |
lukasahero |
Oct-17-09 07:27 PM |
#61 |
 
I'm sorry you feel that way (as I look at my orange beanie with the logo "Iowa Perfect Storm") |
thunder rising |
Oct-17-09 07:40 PM |
#64 |
 
I was here. |
bvar22 |
Oct-17-09 09:19 PM |
#78 |
  
Well, if you check the details of the OP, |
lukasahero |
Oct-17-09 10:21 PM |
#101 |
   
"Critical" post, not "whining" post |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 01:56 AM |
#139 |
  
Bwahahaha |
lukasahero |
Oct-18-09 09:26 AM |
#161 |
  
+1, and any minute now someone will call those disappointed, or those that expected exactly what we |
flyarm |
Oct-18-09 02:01 AM |
#140 |
 
LOL. You win! |
bvar22 |
Oct-18-09 10:53 AM |
#185 |
 
We're glad to see renewed interest in national politics and the Democratic Party's role in it all. |
pinto |
Oct-17-09 09:36 PM |
#80 |
  
Gibberish, spoken like a true ward heeler. |
smitty |
Oct-17-09 09:57 PM |
#83 |
 
You assume an awful lot. |
JoeyT |
Oct-18-09 02:48 AM |
#147 |

Doing plenty on the ground as well |
lukasahero |
Oct-18-09 09:27 AM |
#163 |

Good for you |
JoeyT |
Oct-18-09 10:07 AM |
#170 |

You have no name and no value |
Stinky The Clown |
Oct-17-09 07:33 PM |
#62 |
 
Stinky that be *we* in that title. I'm going to start wearing a sportzjacket. |
thunder rising |
Oct-17-09 07:51 PM |
#68 |

It can, indeed, be "we" |
Stinky The Clown |
Oct-17-09 07:59 PM |
#69 |

Yer numbers are wrong |
The Traveler |
Oct-17-09 07:41 PM |
#65 |
 
You're right ... typo .. sry. |
thunder rising |
Oct-17-09 07:42 PM |
#66 |
 
"What is it called when you allow 44,000 people a year to die so you can |
NoUsername |
Oct-18-09 01:17 AM |
#131 |

+1 |
SammyWinstonJack |
Oct-18-09 10:38 AM |
#179 |

Ramen noodle consumption here is way up |
Cherchez la Femme |
Oct-17-09 08:34 PM |
#74 |

"are younger voters still excited?" Just for info's sake: |
emulatorloo |
Oct-17-09 09:14 PM |
#75 |
 
Wait until The Democrats FORCE them to BUY Health Insurance. |
bvar22 |
Oct-17-09 09:17 PM |
#77 |

Baucus version is the only real punitive bill. There are 5 bills out there. Baucus |
emulatorloo |
Oct-17-09 10:05 PM |
#87 |
 
I wish that were true. |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 02:15 AM |
#143 |

Thats TRUE, though MOST don't know that, even at DU. |
bvar22 |
Oct-18-09 10:46 AM |
#182 |

Looks as though ALL the bills are "punitive" |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 12:22 PM |
#199 |

Should employers help pay for health coverage? |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 12:56 PM |
#208 |

The engine that has historically gotten us out of recession has been small business, |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 01:26 PM |
#211 |
 
Small business is exempt and you know it |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 01:42 PM |
#212 |

Depends how you define small business. |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 02:02 PM |
#216 |

Small mom & pop business, the ones struggling |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 02:19 PM |
#218 |

What "tax benefits"? |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 03:19 PM |
#225 |

If you don't know that teensy bit of info |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 03:30 PM |
#231 |

It is a teensy item. "available for up to 3...years" |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 04:11 PM |
#243 |

Should employers help pay for health coverage? |
bvar22 |
Oct-18-09 03:02 PM |
#221 |
 
They do in Canada |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 03:26 PM |
#229 |

Hawaii's employer-provided health care |
billh58 |
Oct-18-09 04:00 PM |
#238 |

Nice article, |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 04:31 PM |
#247 |

Thats gonna be a kick in the shorts for a few |
quakerboy |
Oct-17-09 10:12 PM |
#96 |

When they get a subsidy and can see the doctor |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 01:42 PM |
#213 |

As has been made abundantly clear, only a tiny fraction of current uninsured |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 02:10 PM |
#217 |
 
When people get health care |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 02:26 PM |
#219 |

No, the argument for single payer is different. |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 03:06 PM |
#222 |

Wow, so completely untrue |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 03:23 PM |
#226 |

There are tax benefits for some undefined amount for those people, not subsidies. |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 04:01 PM |
#239 |
 
Sadly, pnhp lies too |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 04:10 PM |
#242 |

Prove it. n/t |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 04:13 PM |
#244 |

I Posted The Legislation |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 04:25 PM |
#246 |

Link? Date? n/t |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 04:32 PM |
#248 |

Self-delete. |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 04:06 PM |
#241 |

And when they dont get any subsidy |
quakerboy |
Oct-18-09 05:29 PM |
#253 |

Maybe you can sell a kidney to someone at Goldman Sachs? |
MannyGoldstein |
Oct-17-09 09:57 PM |
#84 |

Makes me wish somebody would challenge Obama for the Democratic nomination in 2012 |
Kievan Rus |
Oct-17-09 09:59 PM |
#85 |
 
Makes me wish Obama would get out in the front and push |
quakerboy |
Oct-17-09 10:17 PM |
#99 |

But when the "right people" speak up, they're taken away in handcuffs. |
salguine |
Oct-18-09 12:13 AM |
#115 |
 
or their planes mysteriously crash |
FLAprogressive |
Oct-18-09 12:19 AM |
#117 |

The organizing started in June, did you join? n/t |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 01:43 PM |
#214 |

Which organizing are you talking about? |
quakerboy |
Oct-18-09 05:24 PM |
#250 |

I am just shocked! Simply shocked! n/t |
change_notfinetuning |
Oct-17-09 10:10 PM |
#93 |

All those people complaining deserve McCain/Palin... |
HipChick |
Oct-17-09 10:15 PM |
#97 |
 
That "argument" is so weak and stupid in so many ways. n/t |
QC |
Oct-18-09 01:25 AM |
#133 |
 
. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Oct-18-09 10:42 AM |
#180 |
 
We've got 30 years to undo |
quakerboy |
Oct-18-09 05:42 PM |
#255 |

what flavor of ramen noodles did most people live on???? |
spanone |
Oct-17-09 10:17 PM |
#100 |
 
I prefer the chicken |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-18-09 09:28 AM |
#164 |

beef is the only decent one |
quakerboy |
Oct-18-09 05:43 PM |
#256 |

My plan: To look at Obama's campaign promises versus accomplishments. |
davidwparker |
Oct-17-09 10:28 PM |
#103 |

He needs to stop actively covering up evidence of the previous administration's |
ipaint |
Oct-17-09 10:29 PM |
#104 |

Ramen noodles |
existentialist |
Oct-17-09 11:29 PM |
#108 |

Me too |
donheld |
Oct-17-09 11:29 PM |
#109 |

Why are you sorry? It's true - he care less about little people than Wall Street Billionaires. |
closeupready |
Oct-17-09 11:45 PM |
#110 |
 
+1 |
SammyWinstonJack |
Oct-18-09 10:44 AM |
#181 |

Barack's a better quarterback than McCain would have been. |
OnyxCollie |
Oct-17-09 11:52 PM |
#112 |

Geez, it's all about you, isn't it? |
treestar |
Oct-18-09 12:15 AM |
#116 |
 
-1 |
closeupready |
Oct-18-09 02:39 PM |
#220 |

K & R. nt |
earth mom |
Oct-18-09 12:29 AM |
#118 |

Please explain " The party is in fact in decline". |
Patriot 76 |
Oct-18-09 12:59 AM |
#123 |
 
The approval numbers have been steadily declining. Some say independents. I think 18-25s saying WTF? |
thunder rising |
Oct-18-09 01:20 AM |
#132 |

I learned long ago never to make that sort of monetary, time or emotional investment in a politician |
MadHound |
Oct-18-09 01:05 AM |
#125 |

Well he's better than Bush or MaCain or Palin or Hitler or Stalin or Kim Jong Il! Golly Gee Whiz! |
grahamhgreen |
Oct-18-09 01:05 AM |
#126 |

I guess I touched a nerve, positiver and negative. I guess this little rant needed to be written. |
thunder rising |
Oct-18-09 01:16 AM |
#130 |

Rahm Emanuel believes that "grass roots" doesn't win elections. |
scentopine |
Oct-18-09 01:40 AM |
#136 |
 
The DLC using repuke stategy? |
frog92969 |
Oct-18-09 04:10 AM |
#153 |

Who cares. Obama made 'history' last November. That's all that matters. n/t |
newtothegame |
Oct-18-09 02:18 AM |
#144 |
 
Why does that bother you so much? You've posted the same comment over and over and over again. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Oct-18-09 03:30 AM |
#149 |

Because nothing else matters than that we get to tell our kids we voted for the 1st African-American |
newtothegame |
Oct-19-09 04:04 AM |
#268 |

He Doesn't Need You Anymore n/t |
Raejeanowl |
Oct-18-09 02:43 AM |
#146 |

I have and will support the prez, but I do have concerns |
nvme |
Oct-18-09 03:37 AM |
#150 |
 
w00t!! |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-18-09 09:33 AM |
#166 |
 
Get to fucking work! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Oct-18-09 10:48 AM |
#184 |

SAME . nt |
excess_3 |
Oct-18-09 09:27 AM |
#162 |

You have every right to expect the President to get you a well paying job |
AngryAmish |
Oct-18-09 09:28 AM |
#165 |
 
LOL. |
TwilightGardener |
Oct-18-09 10:22 AM |
#172 |

I simply don't believe a word out of Obama's mouth |
placton |
Oct-18-09 09:50 AM |
#169 |

Once again . . . you're mad at the wrong entity. |
HughBeaumont |
Oct-18-09 10:30 AM |
#174 |
 
Obama is a "hostage"? |
bvar22 |
Oct-18-09 12:07 PM |
#195 |

I want to believe he is. |
HughBeaumont |
Oct-18-09 05:58 PM |
#259 |

I am frustrated also. |
WillieW |
Oct-18-09 10:48 AM |
#183 |

Sorry but I'm pleased pink with my President |
madokie |
Oct-18-09 10:54 AM |
#186 |
 
It is a good thing that the banking regulations went into play so soon |
Ruby the Liberal |
Oct-18-09 11:10 AM |
#188 |
 
How long will the "he's just getting started" |
JonQ |
Oct-18-09 12:20 PM |
#198 |

Amen to that. |
nvme |
Oct-18-09 01:52 PM |
#215 |

"Don't look back!" |
Hubert Flottz |
Oct-18-09 11:30 AM |
#191 |

Thank you! |
DailyGrind51 |
Oct-18-09 11:49 AM |
#192 |

LOL. The big donors elected Obama. Give me a break with this weepy crap |
L. Coyote |
Oct-18-09 11:54 AM |
#193 |
 
+1 nt |
ooglymoogly |
Oct-18-09 12:25 PM |
#201 |

I am in the same boat pretty much |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Oct-18-09 12:12 PM |
#196 |

I lost my job with Obama in office. |
BobRossi |
Oct-18-09 12:15 PM |
#197 |
 
That's confused. |
clear eye |
Oct-18-09 12:49 PM |
#207 |

When you run on Yes We Can and all you get is compromise it feels "Hope"less |
EndElectoral |
Oct-18-09 12:45 PM |
#203 |

We've been in a downhill slide since Reagan |
CountAllVotes |
Oct-18-09 12:45 PM |
#204 |

Great title on your piece. |
12AngryBorneoWildmen |
Oct-18-09 01:21 PM |
#209 |

I never expected Obama |
Texasgal |
Oct-18-09 01:24 PM |
#210 |

I don't know how many more of these hand wringing threads I can take |
bluestateguy |
Oct-18-09 03:24 PM |
#228 |
 
are you blind? do you not see how corrupt the entire federal government leadership is? |
natrat |
Oct-18-09 07:12 PM |
#264 |

And the same shits come out of the woodwork |
sharp_stick |
Oct-18-09 03:26 PM |
#230 |

Progressives should get behind third-party candidates in 2010 ... |
Maat |
Oct-18-09 03:37 PM |
#233 |
 
won't happen. why some of you don't get that third parties need to |
cali |
Oct-18-09 03:39 PM |
#235 |
 
Progressives should grow up and become the second party |
sandnsea |
Oct-18-09 03:44 PM |
#237 |

"you're broke, so you really don't count anymore" welcome to the politics of reality |
bobbolink |
Oct-18-09 03:39 PM |
#234 |

You have to send this directly to him |
Christa |
Oct-18-09 03:43 PM |
#236 |

Did Obama not say that things would get worse before they got better? |
elias7 |
Oct-18-09 04:57 PM |
#249 |
 
I try that same tactic whenever I interview for a better job. |
Balbus |
Oct-18-09 07:05 PM |
#262 |
  
Straw man n/t |
elias7 |
Oct-19-09 10:01 AM |
#272 |
 
I would buy that if he even deigned to listen to a progressive expert now and then. |
clear eye |
Oct-19-09 12:20 AM |
#266 |

I don't know in what ways this touched so many DUers. I did not expect this reaction |
thunder rising |
Oct-18-09 05:27 PM |
#252 |

Apparently he doesn't |
backtomn |
Oct-18-09 05:42 PM |
#254 |
 
I guess I'm a "liberal whiner" |
Missy Vixen |
Oct-19-09 01:17 AM |
#267 |

Lived on ramen noodles??? |
Beacool |
Oct-18-09 06:31 PM |
#261 |

they are crooks, they have taken the government-it's that simple |
natrat |
Oct-18-09 07:11 PM |
#263 |

Keep your head up. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Oct-18-09 07:13 PM |
#265 |

I am pretty sure he does. |
quaker bill |
Oct-19-09 07:29 AM |
#271 |

kick |
democracy1st |
Oct-19-09 06:05 PM |
#275 |
| 1. he's a millionaire, YOU are not. His friends are from Goldman Sachs. Yours? He has |
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accomplished some good things in his term. But now that he is an insider and no longer a challenger...well things change don't they?
Msongs
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We are chumps until 2012.
Enjoy the ride!
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| 167. Sadly, we are chumps forever |
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Who's going to challenge Obama, a sitting president? Nobody. And the Repubs will nominate some horror show of a candidate, just like they always have. You will have no choice to change things for the better.
The people spoke last year, like they always do- they love them corporatists, or at least they have been taught to.
I don't know what might break the cycle. A complete collapse is just as likely to lead to a totalitarian state as we are quite a ways there already.
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| 224. He is the president,not the Messiah! |
| 92. True, this. I saw Moore's new movie tonight and see all the Goldman Sachs |
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connections in the current administration.
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| 202. It is disgusting. The fact that Obama can appoint the criminals who created the economic crisis |
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...to LEAD the 'recovery' is vile.
Obama is a fraud. And, his election took the momentum of real change, diffused it, and allowed the corporations to push through policies that would have caused a rebellion, if a Republican President has instituted them.
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| 227. Meanwhile, John Edwards cannot run because of his affair. |
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That leaves Kucinich. At least Kucinich is honest and has his divorces behind him, hopefully.
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I re-registered as a Green shortly after he took office. I no longer believe in the "We can drive the party left" nonsense.
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| 240. This is an excellent article, if you missed it frist time around. |
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Buying Brand Obama By Chris Hedges Barack Obama is a brand. And the Obama brand is designed to make us feel good about our government while corporate overlords loot the Treasury, our elected officials continue to have their palms greased by armies of corporate lobbyists, our corporate media diverts us with gossip and trivia and our imperial wars expand in the Middle East. Brand Obama is about being happy consumers. We are entertained. We feel hopeful. We like our president. We believe he is like us. But like all branded products spun out from the manipulative world of corporate advertising, we are being duped into doing and supporting a lot of things that are not in our interest. more at link: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/04
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(even the good things are scraps/crumbs)
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| 175. I always laughed at the people who really bought the |
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"hope and change" rhetoric.
He's a politician, same as any other. He'll care about your worries only to the extent that it will get him reelected. Otherwise he's beholden to his financial donors.
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| 2. Well said. Mirrors my feelings pretty close. |
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What will they do if we just stay home in 2010...or in VA and NJ...this November? Get rid of Rahm and start working for the people and not the lobbyists.
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| 3. I am heartened by Biden |
| 260. Read this week's Newsweek story (yeah, I know, newsweak...) |
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Apparently the man has been a big part of the "conscience" of this White House...
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| 4. Can I get in here and take my crap on him, too? |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:03 PM by cliffordu
Oh, yeah. he's a SELF MADE millionaire, so if you're going to give the last 20 years of blame to him, at least get your fucking facts straight.
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| 106. Yeah- he made his millions exploiting all those helpless poor unfortunate |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 11:03 PM by stlsaxman
people who read books! and HOW DARE HE NOT hire a ghost writer!?! Guess he wanted all the profits for himself and his family...
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| 127. That's right, he is a selfish bastard |
| 5. +1 -- You and folks like you are the reason why so many of us |
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were and are frustrated. Since 11/25/08, when I first voiced my "concerns" about the Geithner appointment and got flamed for it here on DU, I have said that we the people were being ignored, and they the bankers were getting all the attention. Damn it, thunder rising, I wish to hell this shit hadn't happened to you. I wish to hell it hadn't gone this way for you and so many more like you. It sucks. It just plain sucks. Hang in there. I can't promise it'll get better, nor can I promise it won't get any worse, but hangin' on is about all we can do any more.  and  Tansy Gold
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| 176. Hangin' In Is Getting Very Hard To Do! If Things Keep Going Down Hill |
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Obama owns it! Many don't like to hear this, many keep saying he inherited ALL this and that may be true... but for me, I'm seeing some "selling out" going on! I DON'T LIKE IT and if people like Reid & Baucus and the Blue Dogs aren't reigned in... then WHAT'S THE USE???
Some people just need to be taken to the WOOD SHED and given a stern talking to!! Just how I'm seeing it! I posted something about Goldman Sachs the other day and several of the replies just blew me off because of my concern.
THIS isn't moving the ball forward for the America people, when this administration has so many of these people working on OUR behalf!
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| 14. Yes. George W. Bush and Barack Obama are the same. |
| 54. This place has gone to shit. |
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We get a democrat for president and people here still bitch like Bush was still in office. Some people will never ever be satisfied. It must suck for you people to constantly live under a dark cloud.
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| 63. Well, I was striking a blow for sarcasm, actually. |
| 95. I know you were being sarcastic. |
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I was just calling out the assholes here.
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| 113. If we did get a Democrat, how would we tell? |
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By the (D) behind the name.
If Obama had an (R) behind his name, he would be absolutely lambasted for everything he's doing. But he has a (D) behind his name so it's A-OK.
You obviously need to get with the program.
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| 155. an officeholder with a (D) is the height of your ambitions? really? |
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Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 04:22 AM by Hannah Bell
then these are glory days for you, i guess.
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| 72. You attempt at sarcasim failed. Besides to the millions out of work, hungry, living in cars or tent |
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they dont notice the difference. You live in comfort i assume. you speak like it.
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| 79. So does everyone here who has internet access and time to waste posting thoughts on a forum. |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 09:22 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
I do live in comfort. I recognize that. It's not the insult that you think it is.
Also, you don't speak for the all of the homeless or all of the poor. I work a soup kitchen in Chicago and the vast majority people there are not nearly as angry at Obama as some of the people here on DU.
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| 90. enough comfort to realize that there are millions of people who use library computers or those in |
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college campuses, who otherwise would not be able to get online to post thoughts.
People can be upset with President Obama, and still support him enough to call him Mr. President.
Merely for the sentiment of the OP I rec it. The fact is very true, thousands of people gave up all they had to help get Senator Obama elected president. He should be reminded of that when anyone who did such sees him, and I would expect him to say thank you, because he's a good guy.
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| 121. I like the OP. I rec'd the OP and I agree with your sentiment. |
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I dislike hysterical rants saying that Obama is the same as Bush. Not posts saying that he is the same as Bush on a specific issue (because on some issues, yes, he has kept Bush policies and he should be hammered for doing so) , but outright saying that he is the same as Bush period. I see people who have absolutely nothing. They line up an hour in advance to get a hot meal once a week. They don't get to go to college. They are kicked out of the libraries at night. And if THOSE people are joyful that Obama is president and that he is not Bush(and some of them are downright joyful) then why can't people who live in comfort accept the simple fact that Obama is not Bush?
This doesn't stop criticism of Obama or his policies. I don't know why this is so difficult for people to admit.
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| 120. I did not intend insult. I simply wish to emphsise that millions have not seen enough change to feed |
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themselves or their children.
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| 105. we have quite few houseless people here. n/t |
| 86. In the case of Bush, simply maintaining a third of his policies is toxic. |
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You don't have to match him exactly.
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| 124. I guess it's close enough to Halloween to drag out the straw men. nt |
| 137. Ok. Please explain what the phrase "Meet the Old Boss Same as the New Boss" means. |
| 274. Why did Obama say make me do it? |
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I'd wager, no one here thinks Bush and Obama are the same. I think you may be taking an argument to an extreme. That is why I wrote what I did. I will borrow an argument even though it is somewhat inflammatory. "The fundamental truth about the Obama administration is that it is the Bush administration run by slightly less incompetent, marginally less evil people: * The Iraq occupation will end when Bush wanted it to. * The Bush administration's campaign of eradication of fundamental civil liberties, including the gutting of the 4th amendment and holding people without trial, continues. * The Afghan war continues, and is even being escalated. * The signature issue of "health care reform" is a scheme which will force citizens to buy private insurance which, because of lack of effective controls, will increase in price faster than wages or inflation. * Obama and Geithner have followed the Bush/Paulson financial policies, virtually to the letter, spending trillions bailing out Wall Street and creating a financial sector which has fewer, larger actors with more political power than before. * Obama continues to exert pressure primarily on Progressives rather than on Blue Dogs in order to obtain relatively more conservative rather than liberal bills. (This is not an accident.) The most liberal bill always comes from the House, the conference committee bill is inevitably closer to the more conservative Senate bill. (This is not an accident.) * Unlike Bush Jr, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Reagan, Obama has not replaced the prior administration's district attorneys wholesale, instead leaving in place the majority of the Bush administration DA's who had survived Rove's purges intended to make sure they were loyal Republican apparatchiks. * Obama has not cleaned out the administration in general of Bush-era appointees and plants; indeed he has filled less spots than either Clinton or Bush II had by this point in their terms—and no, it's not because the Senate won't confirm them. * Obama appointees will be forced to resign if the right wing (aka Beck) goes after them hard, but if progressives don't like them, tough luck. * Obama's economic team is filled with people who created the framework which allowed the financial meltdown to occur, who didn't see it coming, and whose solution to it is to give money to their friends and colleagues and try and get another bubble started." http://openleft.com/diary/15113/meet-the-new-boss I don't entirely agree because of all the positive the President has done but he has also done some bad things. I am not saying throw the bum out. I am saying we need to get active and push back. So, yeah, I stand by my earlier statement.
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| 7. So you don't think things would be WORSE under McCain/Palin? n/t |
| 8. Other than a few issues |
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The world would pretty much look the same as it does right now.
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 05:52 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
 If you think that Obama and McCain would be "about the same" you're beyond reason. This is not to say that Obama doesn't need to improve on certain areas or even that Obama isn't merely the lesser of two evils. But my god, Obama is the FAR lesser of two evils.
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whether or not the evil is turned up to elevenses.
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| 19. So, McCain would have done the same stuff as Obama? Wow! |
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McCain would be drawing down troops in Iraq, ordered the closing of Gitmo, changed procedures to the FOIA, reversed Bush's ban on funding to foreign organizations that allow abortions, signed into law easing the federal requirements for filing employment discrimination and signed a law that increased the number of children covered uner SCHIP (which he voted against in the senate, IRRC). McCain would have reversed Bush's policy to use tax dollars for stem cell research, too. Oh, and McCain would have nominated Sonya Sotomayer, too. And let us not forget that the rest of the world would have LOVED McCain almost as much as they hated Bush. To top it off, McCain would have taken on health care reform, too. Wow, I obviously voted for the wrong guy. 
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| 20. Yes! Apparently McCain's votes in Congress (say against the anti-rape bill) were just for giggles |
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And he would be doing about the same things as Obama now.
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| 23. I don't see what you are referring to has anything to do with economics |
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and that is what the OP is referring to.
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| 26. The U.S. has ONE president. There's not a President of the Economy and President of the Environment |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:08 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
a President of Domestic Affairs, A president of Foreign Affairs, etc. etc. etc.
We get one person.
So you cannot say that Obama is the same as Bush or about the same as McCain and expect people to think you are only talking about economic affairs. The quality of a president incorporates all aspects of said presidency.
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| 28. Everything starts with economics |
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and I see the past 30 years of nonsense is preached and embraced by this administration. Although, at a slightly less shrill tone.
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| 30. Do you consider Jimmy Carter a good president? |
| 32. On somethings yes on other things no |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:15 PM by AllentownJake
I'll agree this administrations approach to the empire, is much better than the last administration's.
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| 33. So Carter, who presided over a terrible economy, gets his presidency judged on his entire effort |
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instead of just the economy.
And Obama is the same as Bush because all things start with economics.
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| 36. The world isn't black and white |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:21 PM by AllentownJake
Carter did some good things (efforts in world peace, trying to be honest with Americans about the economic situation, etc). Barack Obama is doing some good things as well. However, on the big issues which will determine the fate of our nation 10 years out he has a very spotty record. On those issues, I see us going in a similar trajectory that we were going before albeit at a slower pace. I hope I'm wrong.
Time will only tell.
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| 38. That is a much different sentiment than "Meet the New Boss Same as the Old boss" |
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or "He's about the same as McCain would have been"
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| 39. On my key issues he is |
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However, those are just my key issues. The country isn't really ready to talk about those issues yet.
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| 37. Let me clarify. I don't mind people who say "I don't like the way he's handling X, Y or Z" |
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There are several issues of my own that fit there. I absolutely cannot stand people who say he's the same as the old boss or he's no better than McCain. That's just foolishness.
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thanks for some level headedness
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Saying he's like Bush or McCain is a prize-winning sort of idiocy.
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| 157. this economy is worse than carter's. |
| 129. Too much of a micromanager. However, he's hands down the best ex-president-- |
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--our country has ever known, with the possible exception of Adams, who went back and served in the House of Representatives.
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...IS the BIGGEST Social Issue. And Working Americans are not getting it.(Economic Justice)
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 10:17 PM by billh58
to the economy, and the trend toward "downsizing" jobs, was well underway before Candidate Obama even decided to run for the Oval Office. The current "depression" started to snowball toward the end of 2007, and became a crisis by the middle of 2008 (just over a year ago). After decades of neoconservative deregulation and failure to enforce anti-monopoly laws, the American economy turned to shit, and took most of the world with it.
I seriously doubt that anyone, or any team of crackerjack economists, could have made much more progress at a recovery by this point than has President Obama and his administration. We have not completed the first part of any triage procedure: stopping the bleeding. Phase II will mainly consist of creating more jobs, and dealing with the millions of foreclosures that are still to come. Phase III will be tied to reinforcing the Dollar, and dealing with the permanent level of higher energy costs.
A single term will most likely not be enough time to complete Phase II, and two terms may not be enough time to even begin Phase III.
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| 178. Actually, the worst damage was done during the '90s..... |
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Bush just happened to be riding the deregulation/FreeMarkets horse when it collapsed.
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| 187. +1 NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagall are at the root of this. |
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Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 03:52 PM by billh58
but the erosion of Glass-Steagall began under Ronny Raygun's "trickle-down" madness in the 1980s, and by the time Slick Willy got his hands on it, it was already toothless: http://news.briefing.com/GeneralContent/Investor/Active... Deregulation began with the Kristol/Raygun/Gingrich neoconservative movement (they fired Volker for not supporting deregulation), and the Bush/Rove/Gingrich/Delay neoconservatives showed their reverence to Raygun by continuing the policy at every opportunity. They have controlled the Congress, the Oval Office, or both, for the better part of the past three decades, and deregulation along with obscene tax cuts for the top 1% in this country, have been their stock-in-trade. I also recognize that Bill Clinton's "triangulation," and the advent of the neoconservative wing of the Democratic Party, the DLC, was part and parcel of this treasonous movement to destroy the Labor Movement and the Middle Class in the USA.
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| 251. Thanks for that addition. I was not aware. |
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Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz (economist) sums it up nicely: "Paul Volcker, the previous Fed Chairman known for keeping inflation under control, was fired because the Reagan administration didn't believe he was an adequate de-regulator. Our country has thus suffered from the consequences of choosing as regulator-in-chief of the economy someone who didn't believe in regulation."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker 
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| 258. It just gets better, doesn't it. |
| 24. The choice was not about McSame ... there was a primary as well. |
| 21. The members of the Nobel committee and millions of others around the world |
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disagree with you. The neo-cons were/are a true threat.
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| 42. When you say "Nobel committee", you need to qualify it by saying |
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THE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE NOBEL COMMITTEE.
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| 44. Are there more than five members of the Nobel Committee now? Is there another Nobel Committee? |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:35 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
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| 52. Why? The decision was unanimous. n/t |
| 46. When you say "The members of the Nobel committee... disagree with you", you make it sound |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 06:37 PM by cherokeeprogressive
as if they're a large body, and not just five white guys from Norwegia, apointed by the Norwegian Parliament and closely matching its political and ideological makeup.
And yes, I know it's Norway.
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| 49. They are called "the Nobel Committee". That is the proper term. |
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If people do not know anything about Nobel Prizes, then I suppose they may think it's a large governing body or maybe even citizens of a country called Nobel. But the poster obviously assumed that people were semi-educated.
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| 168. One word: Kissinger n/t |
| 128. Not true. Obama has done quite a few good things. However-- |
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--right now we need BOLD things on health care, financial regulation and climate change, and we aren't getting them.
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| 148. You are out of your fucking mind. |
| 16. Presumably things would also be worse under Pol Pot, |
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but that sets the bar awfully low, don't you think?
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| 71. It would only be worse for the intellectuals and professionals. Killing fields and all. |
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But for the millions out of work, hungry, and foreclosed, cant get much worse.
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| 40. Who are McCain and Palin? |
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There's a vague memory of having heard their names before, but I don't think I can place them.
This argument is so old that it needs the dust blown off of it every time people like you trot it out.
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| 45. Freepers ate lots and lots of pop tarts trying to get McCain/Palin elected |
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And ever since they have been buying teabags like crazy to de-rail Obama's Marxist Plan To Destroy America.
How could you forget?
Besides, McCain is on TV every day, and Palin has a 400 page autobiography that is "#1 at AMAZON!!!!!!"
How can we forget them when they won't go away?
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| 70. With respect pnwmom, for a lot of people it couldnt get much worse. I see it every day. |
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People, children living in cars and tents. Ask them if it would be worse under McPalin.
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| 73. *Sigh* I love you pnwmom, but I'm so tired of this "argument" |
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one doesn't have to back the opposition to be disappointed in who we elected. No, of course McCain/ Palin wouldn't be BETTER, but for so many of us NOTHING is GETTING BETTER right now. Keeping the status quo isn't helping. We need real change and immediate action.We need what we voted for. Lives depend on it.
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| 82. Gee, at least he's not Lyndon LaRouche! |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 09:59 PM by MannyGoldstein
The "he could suck worse" argument isn't a great one.
Look, Obama made promise he chooses not to keep.
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| 111. Let's see - PONY! ONLY BEEN X MONTHS! CHESS! |
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(Help me here - what did I miss?)
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| 134. You forgot the especially tired one about 589,998,356-dimensional chess. |
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Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 01:46 AM by QC
Oh, also the one about turning around a really, really, really big ship.
And you neglected to accuse anyone of poutrage.
I think that about covers it.
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| 138. Dammit, you left out PONY!! |
| 145. Jeez, how could I have forgotten that one? |
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Does anything say kool kiddie quite like comparing basic human rights to a bratty child's demand for an impossible Christmas present?
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| 270. "It's all Bush's fault." Funny how we |
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did NOT buy that 9/11 was Clinton's fault since it happened nine months into Bush's term. And Clinton did NOT try to blame Mogadishu on Poppy Bush even though it happened right after he took office and Poppy had sent the troops in very late in his term.
Every president inherits problems. Obama made a big deal about all he would do early in his term. What happened to all those promises? So far he's enriched the bankers and is trying to pass a health care bill that would raise premiums and fine people who are uninsured. Those who can't afford insurance damned sure can't afford to pay a fine. Will we have debtors' prisons? Or indentured servitude?
We sure as hell won't have ponies. YES WE CAN. . . DO WITHOUT.
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| 114. That stupid canard is really threadbare, too. Take it out behind the barn and shoot it, will you? |
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Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 12:09 AM by salguine
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| 154. That wasn't the point of the OP. The point is, he was elected to give us |
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"change we could believe in", for "the audacity of hope", and "the fierce urgency of now" And a lot of us worked our asses off to make that happen, and guess what..... it isn't. The issue isn't is he better then McCain and Palin would have been, the issue is there is not a hell of a lot of transparency in his government, the war he spoke out against is getting more involved, and it's an un-winnable war that is plundering our national treasure. Rendition is still going on, Gitmo is still open, and in all likelihood will stay open for a while. There has been no action taken for verified voting, Glass Steagal has not been put back into place, the banks are still too big to fail, and are not lending money. So tell me my good friend, isn't it wonderful that he's going to repeal Don't ask don't tell, wow change I can believe in, I'm sooooo thrilled I sent him money and had my kids go door to door in Nevada for him. Talk is cheap, actions speak. If you're going to inspire and lead then you damn well better deliver or you're going to raise another generation of cynics who won't vote
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| 156. worse than 10% unemployment? worse than escalation in afghanistan... |
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no, i actually don't think it would be worse were mccain in office.
nope, i don't.
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| 189. "It could be worse" is not a sufficient reason to support something. n/t |
| 9. On a positive note, in New Orleans he said he's just getting started. Keep hope alive! |
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Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 05:47 PM by timeforpeace
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| 12. I am beginning to think that for the next four years all they are doing is shilling |
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for votes. and going to the wrong side looking for them. the DC beltway crowd is out of touch.
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| 15. This is a really heartfelt post. Thanks for sharing it with us. |
| 17. It seems to be a trend |
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We can't get a Dem in the White House AND expect them to uphold core Democratic principles.
It has alot to do with that "electable" meme we always swallow hook line and stinker.
My imaginary dog could have beat McSame.
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| 57. Correct. Even the repukes knew a Dem would be elected after Bush. Any Dem. |
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with some crappy, tired replies to it. But good op.
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| 22. Increased unemployment, food stamps, ssi, billions in public works |
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It's not his fault the financial wizards blew up the economy.
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| 31. The problem is that he did not recruit us. A nation of followers lost their leader the day after |
| 48. So you are ignoring "Increased unemployment benefits, food stamps, ssi, billions in public works?" |
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as sandandsea points out, Obama has done that too to help.
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