Yet Another Sex Scandal Rocks Famous Film Director

[Orwellian_Ghost]

Multiple US Missile Strikes Kill A Couple Dozen in Waziristan

Drones kill Pakistan 'militants'

At least nine suspected militants have been killed in two US drone attacks in Pakistan's troubled Waziristan region.

The strikes came just hours apart, the first in South Waziristan, the second near the main town in North Waziristan.

Houses used by militants were hit in both cases, local officials say. At least eight insurgents were injured.

Hundreds of militants and civilians have been killed in dozens of such attacks in the past year, including top Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud.

In the first attack on Tuesday, the house of a well-known militant was hit in the Sararogha area of South Waziristan, officials said.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8280971.stm

ISLAMABAD, Sept 30 (Reuters) - A missile-firing U.S. drone aircraft killed eight militants, including some foreigners, on Wednesday in Pakistan's North Waziristan region on the Afghan border, Pakistani intelligence officials said.

It was the fourth drone strike in northwest Pakistan since Monday evening and came as the United States was weighing options for how to deal with an intensifying Taliban insurgency in neighbouring Afghanistan. Two missiles hit a vehicle and a nearby compound in a village 20 km (12 miles) east of Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan, a Taliban and al Qaeda militant hotbed, the officials said.

"We have eight dead from the vehicle but we're not sure if anybody was in the compound at the time or anybody was killed there," said one of the security officials, who declined to be identified.

Among the dead three were Arabs, three Pakistanis a Chechan and an Uzbek, another Pakistani intelligence agency official said. There was no word on the nationality of the Arabs or the identity of any of the dead.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSISL499996

N Waziristan drone attack death toll rises to 12

MIRANSHAH: The death toll from the US drone attack in North Waziristan rose to 12 on Friday. Two US drones fired four missiles late on Thursday at Abdul Manan alias Ahmed’s group in Danday Darpa Khel, which is five kilometres north of Miranshah, killing 10 Taliban and wounding two others. Two of the injured died of their injuries on Friday. "We are collecting information about the identity of all those killed in the attack," a senior security official in the area told AFP. "We believe that all the 10 men killed in the strike were Afghans as the compound belonged to the Haqqani network," he added.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C09%5C26%5Cstory_26-9-2009_pg7_32

[JuniperLea]

1. Well played...

:thumbsup:

[laconicsax]

2. You know, I was thinking of making a very similar post to this earlier today.

Outstanding, K&R.

[aquart]

3. Contempt, Insult, and Misrepresentatation.

If you have something to communicate, you will not succeed by using the above three methods.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

9. NATO air strike kills six children and three women

KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Civilians, including women and children, were killed in an airstrike by coalition troops in southern Afghanistan, NATO's International Security Assistance Force said Thursday.

The airstrike occurred Wednesday when NATO-led forces were targeting militants at a compound in Helmand province, according to an ISAF statement.

Local villagers said 11 civilians were killed and no Taliban militants were killed.

"ISAF received reports of a number of persons killed in the compound, including women and children," the statement said.

"Also, a number of civilians with injuries reported to ISAF troops and were given immediate medical attention or were transported to an ISAF hospital for treatment."

...

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/10/01/afghanistan.nato.airstrike/index.html

6 Children and 3 Women Killed During NATO Raid in Afghanistan
The new accidental killing of civilians was reported by Daud Ahmadi, spokesperson of the provincial governor.

Kandahar - Six children and three women were killed during a NATO air raid in the province of Helmand, southern Afghanistan. The new accidental killing of civilians was reported by Daud Ahmadi, spokesperson of the provincial governor. The raid, which claimed the life of 4 armed Taliban, was ordered as a reply to an attack against a convoy of NATO and Afghan forces in a village located in the Nad Ali district.

The male wounded civilians were admitted to a NATO hospital. ISAF confirmed the air raid, but not the number of victims, explaining that it was decided following an extended armed clash with guerrilla forces barricaded in the raided house. On September 4 dozens of civilians (30, according to the government investigation) died during the explosion of two tankers hit by NATO jets after that they had been seized by the Taliban.

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/10/01/6-children-and-3-women-killed-during-nato-raid-in-afghanistan.html

[ShortnFiery]

17. Are you sure those women and tots weren't just "terrorists in disguise?"

:crazy: We must have our pound of flesh, ya know?

[ShortnFiery]

4. Summary Executions by Drone: The USA is Judge, Jury and Executioner for the WORLD.

:thumbsdown:

We must have declared war on all these countries where we send our DRONES to KILL?!?

Is this "the rule of law" or PLAYING GOD?

Does anybody WONDER why the rest of the world community HATES our government?!?

[geek tragedy]

7. It's not the rest of the world that hates the US, just you.

Most people aren't outraged by dead Taliban.

[ShortnFiery]

12. I love my country. I proudly served in the US Army. But we have gone ASTRAY.

Wake the hell up and realize that sending in DRONES to kill "suspects" is only going to foment more terrorism.

Although I hold a masters in the field, it's BASIC Psychology that most anyone with logical reasoning skills can appreciate.

[geek tragedy]

41. I saw what you call 'reasoning' in your apologia for

Polanski.

[Hannah Bell]

48. NATO air strike kills six children and three women

KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Civilians, including women and children, were killed in an airstrike by coalition troops in southern Afghanistan, NATO's International Security Assistance Force said Thursday.

The airstrike occurred Wednesday when NATO-led forces were targeting militants at a compound in Helmand province, according to an ISAF statement...



broken eggs in the killing of "taliban" i.e. former us allies during the proxy war in afghanistan v. the russians.

[rhett o rick]

57. You must be joking. You think the drones kill only Taliban. How many innocent children are you

willing to sacrifice to get one Taliban? I am surprised you are calling for carpet bombing the whole country.

[rhett o rick]

58. The rest of the world hates America and our imperialist policies. Where you been? In a cave?

And pray tell, what's to love about America? Give me some examples. We have the highest infant mortality rate. We torture and sexually abuse children. We invaded a country illegally for oil. We, the only modern country, allow over 44,000 people to die each and every friggin year for lack of decent, repeat decent health care. I can go on and on. Give me a reason to be proud of America.

[Freddie Stubbs]

39. If we can't arrest a fugative in France, we probably can't do it in Waziristan either

[geek tragedy]

5. Presumably the OP thinks that the Taliban are the victims

of evil American oppression.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

13. See post 9

It's called murder. Please defend it.

Can't wait to hear more of your Rumsfeldian gibberish.

[ShortnFiery]

No, we should appreciate that God is on OUR SIDE. Everyone else deserves our judgement.

No arrest, no trial, just EXECUTION. Where in anyone's conscious does the foregoing actions serve as "justice?"

[Hannah Bell]

49. our former allies the evil 'taliban', you mean?

[dysfunctional press]

6. so who's the director in question...?

your links don't match your subject line. :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

25. ....

They DON'T That's the point. ;) :hi:

[dysfunctional press]

44. so where's the story about the director and the sex scandal...?

do YOU have a link to it...? :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

8. Smart marketing - for the life of me, I don't understand such celebrity obsessions.

:shrug:

[Lucy Goosey]

10. I see what you did there...

Thanks for the info.

[xchrom]

11. ...

:applause:

[Buzz Clik]

14. Give it a rest! It was over 30 years.... er, what?

Where oh where to vent my outrage?

[Raine]

15. Deceptive advertising nt

[Botany]

16. but Dick Cheney said Obama was making us less then safe.

"Among the dead three were Arabs, three Pakistanis a Chechan and an Uzbek ...."


Here is the deal if you leave your home country to train to kill Americans and our friends and if we find out where you are
then we will kill you. Just that simple. And unlike the previous unelected idiot and his gang do you notice there are no press
conferences, no swagger, and a very low profile.
Obama is actually listening to the military ..... Oh and BTW didn't this happen as he was going to Copenhagen and according to
some ass-hats he was taking his eye off the ball?

[Orwellian_Ghost]

19. Maybe Obama

could actually do something to "make us safe" (paternalism?) by advocating for single-payer. Creating more enemies and blowing up women and children is "making us safe?" That's quite something you are defending there.

[Botany]

27. Look if the people who are dead left their homes to train to be radical ...

.... terrorists and they got killed that is fine by me. As for the women and children killed I feel awful about that
and wish they were still alive.


"Among the dead three were Arabs, three Pakistanis a Chechan and an Uzbek ...."

BTW I support single payer too.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

30. Think about what you are defending

Some supposed "militants" are killed on the open road, in a sneak attack; not engaged in combat, not posing an imminent threat to anyone at the time, not been charged with any crime. This kind of thing is ordinarily regarded as murder. Certainly, if you or I killed someone in this way – or paid someone to do it – then we would find ourselves in the dock, facing life imprisonment or our own execution.

Also, re-read the articles. The spokesperson states that they are looking further into the identity of the dead. What does that tell you?

Random killings from the sky and you believe a State Department hack? Not to mention it's an illegal occupation. How in the hell are so-called liberals supporting this slaughter.

[Botany]

34. It is a very complex issue w/ lots of areas of grey in it too.

A good friend's son is a ranger on duty about xx miles from the Afghan / Paki border
now some of these very same people come across the passes and try to kill him and his
unit ...... sorry I want them dead first.

Yes the innocents that are killed no doubt will lead to more hate, death, grief, pain, terror, and fighting.

The Taliban are nasty people who have hurt and killed many. They think the 13th Century was to advanced.

Obama was left w/ a shit sandwich w/ Afghanistan and I don't see a lot of good coming coming out of
"it" r.e. our forces being there .... the Brits, the Turks, the Russians, the Indians, and the Mongols all got bloodied
there.


Waziristan is a lawless brutal place where many nasty people have made their home base. If you had real time
actionable intel that some terrorists are in a house what would you do?


You are right we are in the business of killing people and there is no way to sugar coat that.

If some of these people are left alone there is a 100% that other innocent people will die too.

lots of tough choice and tough questions.

[Hannah Bell]

50. "train to be radical"... you think the US gets to bomb anyone in the world who's

"training to be radical"? with a little collateral damage you "feel awful about"?

i wish sometimes that some people could have the same logic applied to their own neighborhoods.

i believe you'd be singing a different tune if china decided to bomb american neighborhoods they decided contained people "training to be radical".

my neighborhood has mexicans, russians, & an arab. i guess any foreigner in afghanistan is a terrorist, so you won't mind if the chinese apply the same logic here.

gee, i feel awful about botany & his family, but gosh darn it, there were people "training to be radical" there.

it's laughable. those people aren't real to you.

[ShortnFiery]

20. Yes, WHO gets to determine who's on tap for Summary Execution? This is sick and it will

NOT make us safer. :grr:

Obama is "a tool" for the Military Industrial Complex. They want another attack so they can LOCK DOWN completely on our civil rights ... and with these DRONE Summary Executions in sovereign Muslim nations, that tragically may be what we foment.

Is it any wonder that the Muslim world both FEARS and LOATHES the USA?

[Botany]

33. Is it any wonder that the Muslim world both FEARS and LOATHES the USA?

Please in Cario the fruit sellers call their very best dates Obamas



Obama in Turkey



Muslims in Sudan celebrating Obama.

And yes i know that many in the Islamic world still hate us and Obama but the world is far more complicated
than just black and white.

[ShortnFiery]

52. That doesn't translate to our warmongering. When these people are educated about

the continuing assault via Predator Drones in their sovereign nations, the initial (and understandable) admiration of The Man, will fade fast.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. "we will kill you. Just that simple."

Um... ok. There are no press conferences, no swagger, and a very low profile because we're killing just as many civilians as they did.

[ShortnFiery]

26. But what are the odds that for every innocent civilian we kill, there's a family member

who, after a grieving process, will VOW for the big get even? Again, we're CREATING more terrorists than we are killing. Just like during Vietnam. Same INSANE methodology, different time and country ... with modern pretty weapons. :(

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. You are right, and I don't believe the current administration is making us ANY safer.

n/t

[bertman]

18. I'M BUSTED!!!

I love it, Ghost. Do you think if we put this stuff on Nancy Grace's show and added a segment to Dancing with the Fascists it would encourage Americans to think about something besides entertainment, scandals, and sex?

Recced for PsyOps maximum effect.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

21. People are defending

outright murder here. It's disgusting.

Remember the movie "Network?"

[ShortnFiery]

24. I know, it's sad to see what eight years of FEAR-mongering will do to Americans.

We've become a nation of self-centered KILLERS. Like during Vietnam, we degrade our enemy as being less than human.

It's VILE. I'm not saying there's not evil within these Tribal People's leadership. However, we the God Almighty USA should withdraw and let "the natives" sort out the mess.

[RC]

28. I'm with you. We are murdering too many innocent people and saying they are terrorist.

No way is this tactic making us, U.S. safer. I guess they finally ran out of # 2 terrorists over there.
Just how do we determine from an air-conditioned room in California or where ever who is in those buildings before they release their computer game destruction. Or do they even bother?

[AuntPatsy]

40. I haven't always agreed with you of late but on this...I can't see any excuse..it comes down to

acceptable losses...who died and made us gods that we get to decide who lives and who dies...there is no gray area..bottom line is we humans will continue to fight bullshit wars some worthy some not but in the end..innocent lives will be lost and we will simply ignore it and find again a way to give such actions over to the tired adage...in war acceptable losses is what it is...


and your right...in the end...what is the difference....an innocent person loses their lives....in society we do call such murder...what a crazy and pathetic world we have created....

[Swamp Rat]

22. k&r

[Ignis]

29. It's because the missle makers read Nietzsche!

If only our weapons engineers would eschew bohemian lifestyles, those Pakistani children would be alive today.

:banghead:

[MajorChode]

32. I used to think the unrecommend feature was useless

[Orwellian_Ghost]

36. How is it useful here?

You don't find arbitrary bombing from the sky repugnant? Or do you not find fixation of the masses on scandal du jour also repugnant?

[MajorChode]

43. I just found another previously underused useful feature. It's called "Hide Thread"

I'm sure you feel that people should be spending 100% of their time on whatever cause you currently feel righteously indignant. I'm also sure you feel that if someone doesn't, they must support the napalming of children or some other BS appeal to emotion that you're trying to make. It's not that much different from those who say those who don't support the war must hate the troops. Same BS song, different tune. I don't answer the loaded questions from those morans either.

No reply is required as I will now have the thread hidden and won't see it, but if you feel you must have the last word, have at it.

Have a nice day.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

51. Small children do a similar thing

The last word.

[spanone]

35. k&r.....

[yodoobo]

37. Didn't work..I skim till I find the sexy part

Didn't read a complete sentence till this one.

unrecommended.

[JackRiddler]

38. k&r

[The Midway Rebel]

42. Perhaps, in the future, famous and sex scandalous movie directors

will be taken out by drone attack.

[leftstreet]

45. K&R

[cliffordu]

46. Great work. Got me too. K&R

[LTR]

47. Lemme give you a recommend

Since I almost hit the 'X' lest it be yet another Lollapolanski thread.

[timtom]

53. Thank you.

We so needed a slap in the kisser like this. (I have never weighed in on that infamous scandal). There is such a preoccupation in America with the nonessential.

The ongoing illegal occupation of two countries, the preposterous "debates" over universal health care (not insurance), the crumbling of America's infrastructure are, by far, the more palpable issues that need to remain our focus.

Thank you again.

[Buzz Clik]

54. k&r

[bertman]

55. Everything in our culture mitigates against our awareness of these atrocities. First, who

among us really has the time to spend researching this stuff day in and day out? Very few of us have the time or resources for that task. Those of us who work for a living or who are not independently wealthy find our lives filled to the brim with the requirements of daily living. We are dependent upon the "media" to do the work for us.

Second, the mere "mention" of these drone attacks is all we ever get from our media. Are there ever in-depth stories run on our major corporate networks that delve into the death, destruction, and damage wreaked upon these civilians by our robotic weaponry?

Third, the great American noise machine of teevee, sports, and shock radio with its relentless focus on superficiality numbs our already overloaded brains into insensitivity regarding what is happening to PEOPLE---INNOCENT PEOPLE in these faraway places we CHOOSE to wage our wars.

Fourth, the pro-Military-Industrial-Intelligence Corporate Complex propaganda masters constantly cajole us to understand that "this is what happens in war", as if it's some inevitable and unchangeable reality of our existence as an imperial power. It is not inevitable or unchangeable. But the cries for sanity and compassion cannot be heard over the din of the apologists who want us to know that we really don't WANT TO KILL INNOCENTS, but it's something that HAS TO BE DONE TO KEEP US SAFE. Now that our government has adopted the strategy of censoring news from the front and of "embedding" reporters with our troops, the likelihood that we will get the REAL picture of these atrocities is reduced almost to zero.

Finally, the argument is posited that we must use these remote control killing machines in order to SAVE THE LIVES OF AMERICAN TROOPS. And while that is true in the purest sense--more troops WOULD likely be killed if they tried to go into these remote areas--the broader mental malfunction is the assumption that we have to involve our military in the battle for power in Afghanistan in the first place. Of course, this is just a "logical?" extension of our culturally-ingrained belief that whenever America is involved in a war the methodology tactical methodology of that warfare is legitimate, regardless of the impact on the civilian population.

[lame54]

56. mmmm - this looks familiar...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5933921