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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:27 PM
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MSNBC is blaming foreigners for several college shootings
Going back to the 1991 attack in Iowa all the way to the preliminary reports that today's gunman was an Asian male.

Give me a fucking break. Stop blaming somebody else. This is symptomatic of so many larger problems HERE IN THE GOOD OLE US of Fuckin A.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:28 PM
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1. I heard that


...and I am so fucking pissed.
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chihuahua_mama Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:31 PM
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9. No mention of Columbine Shooters
Nora didn't mention the Columbine shooters--white. Inexcusable race baiting.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:28 PM
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2. We don't need any help
sadly
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:29 PM
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3. they learned nothing from the IMUS firing
not a fucking thing!!!!!!!
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:31 PM
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In the ensuing time period is MSNBC reporting how many people
have been shot in Amercia by Americans? Or how many people Americans have shot in foreign lands?

Honestly, just when you think their whoredom can not go any lower they grab a shovel and dig deeper.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:31 PM
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8. Blaming minorities works
It's the rappers fault. Minorities did it too. Minorities are to blame for everything. They absolutely learned from the Imus firing.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:29 PM
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4. I'm sure...
MSNBC's blaming Asians, Dobbs is going to blame Mexicans, freepers are going to blame muslims, Joe's going to blame video games, gun nuts are going to blame the lack of guns, and everybody's going to blame rap music.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:34 PM
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13. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:51 PM
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20. Uh oh! Did I just hear that he was wearing a Mariner's cap?
Breaking News...Snow-delayed baseball games motivation for mass-shooting...massive Low sweeping across the nation found to psychologically affect sports fans.

After listening to MSNBC blaming this on immigration policies for the past half-hour or so, I think I've flipped a bit, myself.

A moment of silence for the victims of this horrible tragedy. Families must be devastated at this point, with so much conflicting and truly nasty newscasting going on.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:54 PM
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24. I blame mimes.
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 01:55 PM by youthere
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:29 PM
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5. xenophobia
They have to play the blame game. Personally, the MSM and Bush policies seem to encourage insanity.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:31 PM
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6. So how do they explain
Harris and Klebold?
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:32 PM
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10. they throw out the numbers that dont fit their argument
they only mentioned a few college shootings.
That Clint Van Zandt needs to go home and shut up.

Why is it always blame blame blame?
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:34 PM
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11. Wish I knew
Shameful.

ps I also despise Van Zandt.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:31 PM
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7. I heard this several times too, I thought this has been debunked?
Why do they keep perpetuating this?

I just switched to CNN.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:39 PM
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16. MSNBC commentary during the past half-hour was disgusting...
I've just switched over to CNN, also.

The objectivity in the reporting of this tragedy seems to be seriously lacking this morning.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:34 PM
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12. But, but but
He's born in the USA.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:36 PM
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14. It is easier than admiting we have internal terrorism
It is THAT simple
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:39 PM
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15. They mention his nationality because people want to know who was the gunman.
Not who as in his/her name but what nationality. Sad isn't it?
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:39 PM
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17. So, does it really matter?
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 01:42 PM by greyghost
He may very well be Asian, so what?

Charles Whitman had blonde hair, blue eyes, and was as American as apple pie, and this poor lost soul blew his head count away.

What a tragedy.

In the coming days I'm sure his whole life story will be revealed.

My question is, why wasn't the campus locked down immediately?
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:42 PM
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19. My guess is that a college campus
is a bit tricky to lock down, considering there are any number of buildings scattered over several or many acres. I doubt there's anything equivalent to a k-12 school's PA system which would allow informing everyone at once. Depending on exactly what kind of security there is -- and I don't think most colleges have security guards in every building with immediate access to what's going on everywhere.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:51 PM
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21. They had
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 01:54 PM by greyghost
hours to work with, HOURS.

I've lived in VA for many years and am familiar with the campus. It seems from what they're reporting that someone dropped the ball.There is going to be a true shit storm over this, as well there should be.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:40 PM
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18. goes directly to the immigration phobia n/t
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:53 PM
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22. At least it wasn't the rappers. Sharpton, Jackson
It's always a window to hate that MSM opens - with every piece of news. There's nothing bad enough they don't make worse with their ugly spin!
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:54 PM
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23. Maybe the "Asian Male", was a born & raised American?
My daughter in law is of Filipino descent but was born & raised in CA, USA. Do they consider her a "foreigner"?

But because of his race he is tabbed a a "foreigner".
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:56 PM
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25. Actually...
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 01:57 PM by youthere
He was Chinese enrolled in the University of Iowa PHd program. Gang Lu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Lu

not that it makes those idiot freeps correct.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 01:57 PM
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26. No, he was a student from China. Here's MSNBC's list of previous campus shootings:
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:00 PM
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27. I suspect most foreigners watching on CNN International are asking,
"You have a list of 'deadliest school-campus shootings'? What the fuck is wrong with you people?"
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:12 PM
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29. Bingo

....I bet that is exactly what they are saying.


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:14 PM
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30. That's about the long and short of it
Unfortunately, the majority of Americans are too ethnocentric to think about this (or other issues) that way.
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cory817 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:04 PM
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28. I saw that too
Edited on Mon Apr-16-07 02:05 PM by cory817
They were trying to make a point that foreign students may feel alienated and also under more self imposed pressure to do well because of cultural differences, and also that they may take things in a more insulting way that weren't intended to be. Not that I agree with that at all, thats just how it seemed they were trying to frame it.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:17 PM
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31. I heard it - they didn't blame, they stated fact on the number of foreign shooters
with a high number of them being of asian decent.

The profiler even backed it up but was careful in his delivery. Said it was something he wanted to study further ...or something like that.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:25 PM
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32. List of Campus Shootings: 9 total; two oriental/asian; today and '91
Culture might be a factor, as shame over failure is considered worthy of suicide. Also of interest is that Virginia was involved in two of these incidents (W. VA separate) and CA in two (although a much larger state.)

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Apr16...
A List of Deadly Campus Shootings

Monday, April 16, 2007
By The Associated Press

A list of some fatal shootings that took place at U.S. colleges or universities in recent years. Monday's campus shooting at Virginia Tech was the deadliest in U.S. history.
___
_April 16, 2007: A gunman kills 21 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va.

_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.

_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.

_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.

_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.

_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.

_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.

_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.

_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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