When I was 13, I thought Harrison Ford was the HOTTEST GUY EVER

[WildEyedLiberal]

I'm not that old, so when I was 13, Harrison Ford was in his 50s. But I still thought he was the hottest guy, like, ever. I dreamed about how HOT it would be to do it with INDIANA JONES. I mean, how HOT would that have been? If I'd met Harrison Ford, oh boy! That would've just been the most exciting thing ever. I'd have wondered if he'd think I was cute or charming - if he'd like me too!

None of this changes that fact that, if I HAD met Harrison Ford when I was 13, and all my sexy dreams about him did come true, he'd have been a sick fucking pervert for fucking a 13 year old girl, no matter how star-struck said girl might be. I can't believe that some people here are arguing that 13 year old girls have the emotional or intellectual maturity to consent to sex with adult, grown men.

[BlooInBloo]

1. (thinks back to Cindy Crawford...)

[cliffordu]

45. I'm thinking Sophia Loren.....

"Boy on a Dolphin"

Gonna have to find that movie again.....

[BlooInBloo]

50. Holy crap. Do we need to carbon-date you or something?

:P

[cliffordu]

51. Absolutely. Raquel Welch in 10,000 BC, or whatever that movie was....

Hubba hubba....

And all those busty english birds in all the Hammer horror films, out of England......I could go on......

[BlooInBloo]

53. lol! Point taken...

I've seen pics from the Welch movie you're talking about, I think. Can't argue.

[cliffordu]

55. Watch "boy on a dolphin"

It's a shit movie but she is breathtaking. Absolutely breathtaking. Trust me.

Couldn't act, but according to everyone who ever stood in the same room, didn;t have to.

[KansDem]

90. I saw that movie and must agree with you...

Funny thing though, I don't remember seeing any boys or dolphins...:shrug:

[Forkboy]

56. I don't know anything about the women of Hammer movies.

Why, the names Caroline Monroe, Ingrid Pitt, Ursula Andress, Veronica Carlson, Susan Denberg, Julie Ege, Nastassja Kinski and Kate O'Mara don't ring any bells at all. :shrug:

[cliffordu]

58. Well....

:rofl: :bounce:

You just outed both of us.......

BWAHA AHAHaH AHAh Ah AhAh AH AH a

[Forkboy]

59. Ok, I might have watched a Hammer movie here or there.

:D

[cliffordu]

61. "The brides of Dracula" was the first one I remember...I was about 8.....

[Forkboy]

63. I can't remember which I saw first.

We used to have Creature Double Feature on tv every Saturday afternoon, and naturally I was glued to the screen. Two horror movies back to back? I'm so there! The Godzilla movies were always my fave, but the Hammer movies were right behind them. My first crush was Caroline Munro.

[Hello_Kitty]

2. Oh but see that's a mark of sophistication

To think that 13 year olds can consent to sex with men. They're such little temptresses, you know? Haven't you read Lolita? Americans are such prudes! :sarcasm:

Seriously, this is the kind of crap that makes liberals look really bad.

[Withywindle]

3. Did you read her post?

Or are you just reacting to what you want her to have said?

[Hello_Kitty]

9. Did you miss my sarcasm smiley?

Or do you not notice those things? :shrug:

[Withywindle]

14. I did see it, yeah.

But i couldn't tell where it was pointed.

[sailor65]

4. Of all the apologists in that recent crowd,

Ford was my big disappointment. I only found out today that he is backing Polanski as well.

[WildEyedLiberal]

11. Wow, that is disappointing

:(

[dugaresa]

23. perhaps because Lollipop Head is old enough to be his daughter?

[Maru Kitteh]

41. That is VERY dissapointing. I can't believe anyone would excuse child rape.

It's repellent.

Damn. I liked Ford.


Damn.

[Ian David]

5. A 13 year old girl is no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

[get the red out]

6. We must be about the same age

Ditto on the Junior High Harrison Ford crush. And 13 year olds are NOT mentally adults. And even when adults say "no" and "I want to go home" that puts sex into the rape category, let alone with a 13 year old.

I guess it's just the American way to want to give celebrities the pass on things like this. I just expect that sort of opinion out of people. I'm not that into celebrities. I seiously doubt that some average guy would have many people wanting him to get a pass for the same crime. A minority guy with no money probably would have been sent away quickly and for quite some time for the same crime.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. God damn Harrison Ford raped a 13 year old too?

Fucking hell.

He and George Lucas can eat shit and die.

[Hello_Kitty]

10. Let me guess

You think they should leave poor Roman alone too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. If the victim doesn't care...

I'm not about to get all worked up over it.

[Hello_Kitty]

15. Something tells me that would be the case with you regardless of what the victim said.

And of course, in the eyes of the law, it doesn't matter what the victim thinks now.

[proteus_lives]

48. Rape isn't a big deal to you.

You like his movies too much to care about him raping a 13 year-old girl.

[NNN0LHI]

13. It wasn't rape, rape

The girl brought over a bunch of booze and ludes and took advantage of him after she got him all doped up.

Don

[Dorian Gray]

70. Right...

it's easy for some to believe that SHE took advantage of HIM. A thirteen year old girl. :eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

71. Harrison Ford?

[orleans]

8. tom jones. n/t

[Thickasabrick]

43. LOL.....seriously??? nt

[orleans]

66. and david mcCallum--the man from u.n.c.l.e. AND diana rigg (ala emma peel)

from the advengers

[Withywindle]

16. I'm a little older than you and...

The first three Star Wars movies hit with the exact right timing to take me from "OH WOW SPACESHIPS AND ROBOTS!!" to "Mmmmmmmmmm, tight pants and thigh holster." :9

[WildEyedLiberal]

17. My crush on Harrison started when they rereleased the SW movies in theaters in the late 90s

And.... yeah. :blush:

To this day, no one has done the "rogueish wink-n-grin" quite like Han Solo.

[Withywindle]

18. That's the nice thing about re-releases.

Kids of different generations can experience the same early sexual imprinting. Kind of brings us all together, in a warm fuzzy way. :)


Han SHOT FIRST, by the way.

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. I know!

Fortunately, I rented the VHS tapes of the original releases and saw Han's roguery in its true, untampered form ;)

[Celeborn Skywalker]

19. No, 13 is too young.

However, I do think there are some as young as 15 who are able to emotionally consent to sex with older people. Flame away if you must.

[grace0418]

21. Oh, god, I was right there with you on the Harrison Ford thing. He was my first

celebrity crush. I was 11 when Empire Strikes Back came out, and I had feeling in that movie theater that I had never experienced before. From that moment until I was in high school, I was pretty much obsessed. I thought he was the hottest living creature on the planet, and Raiders of the Lost Ark only made my crush worse.

I know you're making a serious point (and I agree with you) but mostly I wanted to say thanks for the memories.

[dugaresa]

24. i fell in love with him too, he just exudes manliness

[grace0418]

28. And all my friends were super into Luke Skywalker. I thought he was a whiny man-child.

Han Solo was ALL MAN.

[dugaresa]

29. i don't go for that pretty boy type, a guy who has that "i lived life" look is far more attractive

plus he played smartasses and who doesn't love a smartass

[grace0418]

31. I think smartasses didn't use to have the same appeal that they do now. I've always

been drawn to them, but it seems like a lot of the super hot male celebrities in the 70s were just manly men, but not smartass or witty.

[dugaresa]

33. James Garner

now there was a guy who was good looking and a smartass and from a much earlier era.

Granted he is more from my mother's era but boy I can watch the Great Escape over and over again to watch him.

[grace0418]

38. True, there were definitely a few, but I think they were a minority.

Now it seems like everyone's a smartass. Some are better at it than others.

[WildEyedLiberal]

25. Haha, yeah I know - now I'm remembering watching the Star Wars movies for the first time

I'm not sure anyone since has ever equaled the sex appeal of Han Solo.

[grace0418]

30. I still have my list of 5 celebrities (Harrison no longer makes the cut but

he'd probably make an alternate list), but nothing has ever quite matched the intensity of attraction I felt at that time. The weird part is that I'm usually attracted to nerdy sensitive guys. The only other time that came close was when I saw Gladiator. I never thought Russell Crowe was all that before or since, but in Gladiator WOW he rocked my world!

[dugaresa]

32. so is Viggo on your list?

Viggo Mortenson and Daniel Day Lewis have always been high on my list.

[grace0418]

34. Both excellent choices, both would be alternates on my list for sure.

Right now my list is:

-Neil Finn (singer/songwriter)
-Ewan McGregor
-Taye Diggs
-Jason Bateman
-Naveen Andrews (Lost)

[Withywindle]

79. Ooo, Naveen Andrews is so lickable.

My favorite character on LOST, even though Sayid is such an homme fatale - every woman he hooks up with winds up dead.

Still, we all gotta go sometime. I can think of many worse ways. :D

[grace0418]

85. LOL! Worse ways, I can think of many as well.

Of course, I'd rather he whisper sweet nothings with his real (English) accent than the fake Iraqi accent he has to use. He's a hottie for sure. And yes, very lickable. He seems like his skin would taste like cinnamon. And Taye Diggs would taste like coffee and dark chocolate. :)

[Withywindle]

86. Well, I have a couple choices for how I'm going to go out

No health insurance, or if you have some, you'll get dropped. That vague nagging pain in your innards? That's the harbinger of a long drawn-out torturous death in a low-rent clinic where all treatment is overworked and grudging, and you're a smoker so as your insurance company, that you've been paying hundreds a month for, we're licensed to drop you or pillage your elderly parents' retirement money and take their house to pump your IV....OR

You have lots of hot sex with a Naveen Andrews character. Of course, his character is a karmically doomed assassin, so the plot dictates that you must be shot quickly after your ninth orgasm.

Honestly, really. :D It's clear. English accent is just fine; though I'm kind of kinky so his Iraqi torturer role has appeal too.

[WildEyedLiberal]

35. Oh yeah - Russell Crowe in Gladiator

Gerard Butler in 300, even with that ginormous beard

Daniel Craig

Hugh Jackman

Alan Rickman

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

EDIT HOLY SHIT HOW COULD I FORGET VIGGO??? He's been on my list since LOTR.

[intheflow]

44. Mmmmmm... Alan Rickman!

My other four would be:

Johnny Depp

Heath Ledger

John Cusack

Luke Wilson

Yum yum yum!!! :9

[Withywindle]

42. See, this is where that evolutionary-psychology crap fails.

Women don't want the older alpha male who has money and a steady job and is a good provider and is boring.

Women don't want the guy next door who is age-appropriate and polite and is boring.


Harrison Ford threw an evolutionary spanner in the works that geneticists and anthropologists will still be trying to sort out 10,000 years from now.

Ever since 1977, women have wanted HAN SOLO.

Who is probably not the best "provider" considering his dangerous debts. Not much of a "knight in shining armor" either considering how often he needs rescuing himself. Wealth? Eh....the Millennium Falcon is a space beater. Good genes? Well, yeah, looks-wise, but we admire him mostly for his SKILL, which is learned and not hereditary.

But he could really make Leia laugh, and he really did look good in those pants.

[cliffordu]

54. That's how I nailed down my wife....

I made her laugh and looked GREAT in jeans....(looked is very past tense......sob)

[Withywindle]

60. That's all a woman needs, really.

Be friendly, be good company most of the time but a smartass when called for, be kind to children and animals, have a kinky streak in the bedroom, and have a nice bum, those are all good credentials. But being able to make her laugh is NUMBER ONE.

Oh, and when it's necessary, SHOOT FIRST. :D

[cliffordu]

62. Shoot first....

and be ready to reload......

[Withywindle]

75. Because she DOES have more ammo than you. n/t

[cliffordu]

87. Yep - an infinitely larger amount......

And somehow this makes me very happy.

[tblue37]

22. I thought he was super hot, too, btw. nt

[and-justice-for-all]

26. Han was very handsome...nt

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

27. I don't think a 13 year old girl should be allowing any penis inside her

whether that penis is 13 or 30. It's too young and she should be concentrating on school and her future and not having sex.

[WildEyedLiberal]

36. Oh I agree completely

But ESPECIALLY not a grown, adult man. The power and maturity balance is WAY too skewed for it to be anything other than predatory.

[TxRider]

91. Though stats I read say 50% of girls do just that

And half of girls surveyed had had sex by the age of 14.

I would imagine that was also true in my day back in the 70's, and likely true for about all of human history.

[jaksavage]

37. Birkas

I am not a real dad. But I am a real grandpa.
I would love to protect my non children and real grandchild from all that evil.
Sometimes I can understand the Birka thing.
Our morally corrupt nation is over the top with sexual entandra and on the other hand deeply repressed sexuality. Sunday church is like a peep show. Cleavage galore.
It is no wonder kids are confused.

As civilized people we strive to control our animal instincts.
As animals we have instinctual urges.

Youth are beautiful.
Our civilization requires we protect them from the animals among us.
Wish we could do a better job of that.

[Withywindle]

39. Burkas? How about horse blinders and chastity belts for MEN?

If youth are the innocent victims, then THEY'RE not the ones who should be kept in a prison.


Just sayin'. I think WEL's point is that, yes, 13-year-old girls have sexual desires (at least many do). They have fantasies. They love to ogle older men (or women) and they dream of catching that man's (or woman's) eye. This is common, HEALTHY, and NORMAL.

What's also healthy and normal is for adults to exercise their greater maturity and judgment to say thanks, but no thanks, should this ever happen to them. No adult should ever fuck a 13-year-old EVEN IF SHE WANTS IT!

Little kids also want to drive race cars, shoot guns, and jump into the zoo cage to pet the tigers. It's totally fine and normal for them to fantasize about these things. It doesn't mean it's OK for adults to go along with it.

[WildEyedLiberal]

47. Yes, that was my point, and thank you for this reply

That reply had me going WTF and I had no idea how to even begin to respond... so, thanks!

[Withywindle]

52. You're welcome. I didn't get it either.

Seemed like a free-range rant that wasn't really attached to anything you said. Also sounded like someone who thinks the idea of young girls ridden with puberty hormones having sexual fantasies of any kind is something NEW and SCARY that he DOESN'T UNDERSTAND. (I wonder how many 13-year-old girls were haunting the Globe Theatre back in Shakespeare's day to try to meet and nail their favorite actors. Some of whom would have been in drag onstage, no less.)


As for "older men," well, I'm 40, and I still have the occasional private mental time with John Kerry even though he's older than my dad. I think it's because he's **almost** capable of the Han Solo grin. Your sig pic is close. :evilgrin:

[WildEyedLiberal]

64. Ahhhhh yes..... I do remember having many an improper thought about JK

And I'm a little more than half your age :evilgrin: What can I say? There's nothing sexier than a mature, handsome, assertive man with good hair and a rogueish grin ;)

[Withywindle]

65. MM-hhmm. And he's tall, well-traveled, very smart, has nice shoulders, and good liberal principles.

All definitely in the plus column.

Actually, I'm having a certain amount of "OMG I'M OLD" trauma because, well, Obama....he's only 8 years older than me. And I do find him attractive. And this is worrying because I've always thought of the President as a remote, old father figure ("Good father" and "bad father" are both Jungian archetypes, love the POTUS or hate him.)

But Obama is more of the "older sister's boyfriend whom I desperately crave but cannot say so" archetype.


My dad says, "You don't really feel old until the POTUS is younger than you." Happened to him the first time with Clinton.

[ShortnFiery]

40. Whoa! I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit.

I've never considered significantly older men than myself "sexually" attractive.
To each his/her own. :shrug:

[WildEyedLiberal]

46. Okay.... good for you?

I'm not sure why who I find attractive makes you "throw up in your mouth," but okay...

[Withywindle]

49. Really? Truly?

You never had a fantasy or even a brief hot flash about a movie star or musician who's logged a few decades ahead of you?

OK. I believe it (barely). Everyone can only speak to their own experience, after all. I think you're in a minority, though. Not gender-specific either - my last serious boyfriend, a few years younger than me, claimed a place on his 'free list' for Patti Smith, who's older than my mom.

[Missy Vixen]

67. I'm suffering the hot flash for someone younger than I am

Of course, I'm married, and I'm old. If he suddenly developed some kind of interest in smart-mouthed, roly-poly, fortysomething blondes, I'd want to be at the top of his list. He's the only name on mine.

:woohoo:

[Withywindle]

69. Age ain't nothin' but a number.

The latest guy I shacked up with for 6 years was a few years younger than me. He's still a close friend. And he looks way older, WOW there is so much grey in his beard stubble now! He's only 36 but he's wearing it hard!

[cliffordu]

57. This explains many things.

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[Withywindle]

80. That is SO fucking skeezy.

Her point is that, yes, 13-year-old girls might desire and flirt with an older man who's hot and famous. Whoopty. The onus is on the older man, being an ADULT, to sign an autograph for her, kiss her on the cheek, say, "Study hard, pursue your dreams," and walk away.

A 13-year-old boy might love action movies and daydream about starring in one. That doesn't mean it's OK to sign him up for Special Forces and hand him a machine gun, right? No. We frown on child soldiers here in the US, just like we frown on child fucking. If that theoretical child meets his favorite action movie star, that guy should sign an autograph for him, shake his hand, say something like "Study hard, Pursue your dreams," and walk away.

If you happen to be in a position where a 13-year-old is coming on to you sexually (yeah right, like it would ever happen to you), it's simple: say, "Study hard, pursue your dreams," and WALK AWAY.


And, newsflash: any girl you're thinking about nailing? If you suspect there is even the slightest chance she might be underage? It's easy. SAY NO. Really. Not that hard. Try it. I know it's advertised as good for women, but believe it or not, men can do it too. Yes, really.

[Monk06]

82. No I'm not thinking about nailing a 13 y/o and just because all you

Stalinist feminists want to obsess over
Roman Polanski raping a 13 y/o thirty five
years ago doesn't mean I or any males on this
board have listen to you lot accusing all men of
being actual or potential rapists.

I thought your brand of doctrinaire feminism
went out with the emergence of Ann Rice and
Camille Paglia and the demise of Dworkin

But I guess not. For some feminists Misandry
is perfectly OK if it serves to avenge the
sex crimes of every man since the dawn of time.

With that I bid adieu from this thread and this
topic never to return.

[Withywindle]

84. Stalin was no feminist!

I'm "sorry" that I went on at length about how any adult man who'd willingly fuck a 13-year-old child has serious ISSUES.

Anne Rice? You mean the woman who wrote a few half-decent vaguely homoerotic (male) vampire novels and a few historical romances, then got religion and started writing unreadable novels about Jesus? Uhhhh, not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination...she's all about men and God. Camille Paglia is just into her own rantings, and Andrea Dworkin is dead.

There are thousands of worthy living women writers, and I'll bet you can't name a single one of them, can you?

[WildEyedLiberal]

88. I think that post wins the misogyny gold medal

And there's unfortunately some STIFF competition for that prize.

First he bitches about the 13 year old Lolita nymphets so evilly and callously seducing the poor helpless old men... and then goes on a tirade about "Stalinist feminist" (what?) because you pointed out that adults have the responsibility to not fuck kids.

WOW.

[blueamy66]

73. My crush was Steve Perry from Journey.

Heck, he's still my crush. And when I was 13....no telling what I would have done.

[Withywindle]

74. When I was 13, I wanted to bang Jimmy Page and Ritchie Blackmore too

Fortunately for me, the issue never came up.

[kwassa]

76. Sophia Loren? Boy on a Dolphin?

[Mari333]

77. Harrison Ford signed the petition to free Roman Polanski

thats even creepier.

[Withywindle]

78. Yes, they're close friends. It's not shocking.

when RP won the Best Director Oscar for "The Pianist," HF was the one who took it to him.

That has nothing to do with the OP, though.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

81. Well, I had sex with Harrison Ford when I was thirteen...

...and let me tell you, it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Also, he kept on making me call him Deckard, and that was just weird.

[BlooInBloo]

83. And then you woke up?

:P

[WildEyedLiberal]

89. Kinky!

You dog you ;)