Polanski NOT a pedophile

[subcomhd]

the correct term is:

Ephebophile: An adult, usually male, who is sexually attracted to young people about the age of puberty. It is sometimes used as a synonym for "hebephilia."

[BuyingThyme]

1. It doesn't matter what you call it. He ran away from the law and now he's fucked.

[subcomhd]

6. I agree. But throwing the word around wrongly

blurs the very important distinction.

[BuyingThyme]

10. Pedophiles like to have sex with children.

The girl was a child. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of unanswered questions. Just semantics and opinions.

[subcomhd]

11. semantics are important.

a pedophile is attracted to PREpubescents.

[BuyingThyme]

14. Or children in general.

Semantics are important.

[subcomhd]

16. the American Psychiatric Association draws the distinction

[BuyingThyme]

21. Dictionaries don't. Many here don't. The laws probably differ, if use the term at all.

It's just a question of semantics.

[quiller4]

29. Pedophiles seek sex with prepubescent youth. The difference

is more than semantic. There is a significant difference in the criminal code in most states. There is also a different diagnostic label in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. There is a difference between 3 year olds and 13 year olds. In this case were are dealing with a 13 year old who looked far older. She would not have attracted a true pedophile who is repelled by anyone of either sex who is past puberty.

[BuyingThyme]

30. Just semantics.

[marshall]

45. Typically law enforcement uses the word more broadly than psychologists

Law enforcement uses the term to refer to any adult who seeks sexual gratification through a minor. The vernacular use of the term is similar.

[TorchTheWitch]

53. she looked 13

No one who's seen her photo believes she looked older or even far older. She looked like the average 13 year old girl she was. I don't give a flying fuck whether or not a true pediphile would have found her attractive. She looked 13, was 13, and was raped by a creepy pig in his 40's that is attracted to young teenage girls.

[kath]

55. She did NOT look "far older" - see the photo at age 13 posted in another thread.

Rape is rape, BTW>

[MattBaggins]

12. Important distinction?

Is that like the pedophiles that like little girls who look down on the pedophiles that like little boys?

You "important distinction" is anothers "mincing of words".

[subcomhd]

13. no. they are two different things.

[Fire1]

38. Isn't the statute of limitations up on that charge? n/t

[Milspec]

49. Not for flight from sentencing

He already had plead guilt to raping (vaginally and anally) a 13 year girl after giving her liquor and Drugs and after she said no.
This is not the case at hand, it his flight from justice for these many years. I hope this drags on in the justice system for years, I doubt if bail will be granted with such a flight risk.

[d_b]

2. i bet he rocks out to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jItz-uNjoZA

[MineralMan]

3. Actually, he's a filthy rapist who drugged his victim.

Then, he raped her vaginally and anally.

How's that?

[WonderGrunion]

4. Thanks for the correction

:eyes:

[subcomhd]

8. you are welcome

it is an important distinction

[bigwillq]

5. Free Polanski!

:rofl:

[subcomhd]

9. that's sick - i hope you are being sarcastic

[LSparkle]

18. Well, I'M not being sarcastic ...

Yeah, 30 years ago he did a bad thing. But now we
want to lock him up? Is he really a danger to society?
Some of his more recent movies have sucked, but come
on, people -- this is simply a cry for VENGEANCE, not
for real justice. The woman in question has forgiven
him; what the hell is wrong with all of you on DU?

[bigwillq]

20. .....

:thumbsup:

[Pavulon]

28. Word???

you are kidding right.

[bigwillq]

19. Totally am.

Just having some fun. Polanski is a scum-bag rapist who should pay for his crimes. But I could care less about him and, quite frankly, the victim too. It's not like he's the only man that has ever raped, and she the only girl to have been raped. Horrific crime, indeed. People are so outraged by Polanski now because it's in the news now. Where was all the outrage last week about him on DU? The month before? It's like the Michael Jackson case. Kick a man when's he down or dead and then act all houlier than thou about it, all up on their bully pulpit. Give me a freaking break.

[pnwmom]

7. You're right. He's just a rapist.

He's just a guy who drugged and gave alcohol to a 13 year old girl, then raped her orally, vaginally, and anally.

[stray cat]

15. still illegal

[subcomhd]

17. who said it wasn't?

[Canuckistanian]

22. The law makes no distinction between the two terms

And that's what matters.

[subcomhd]

25. usually the law DOES distinguish, though I doubt statutes use either term

but YES they distinguish. Do you think if P had sexually assaulted a 5 year old he would be in no more trouble than he is?

[Canuckistanian]

36. I guess that depends on the local statute

Here in Canada, a minor is a minor. The law makes no real distinction between a 5 year old and a 13-year old.

At least not where statutory rape is concerned.

[subcomhd]

37. in Texas 14 = statutory rape

<14 = sexual assault of a child.

[Canuckistanian]

43. Ah

I see now.

[quiller4]

31. In my state the law makes a distinction and the penalties are

much more severe for sexual attacks of very young children than they are for sexual assaults of teens or adults.

[Canuckistanian]

34. Really? Different laws for different ages of minors?

I never knew that.

[madmusic]

48. But isn't/wasn't the age of consent 14 in Canada?

Is so that would mesh to a degree, except in the states the age of consent varies. In California is it 18, but under 14 is more serious. So the difference would be that in Canada 14 and over wouldn't be a crime at all, while in California it would be. In California, like Canada, there is not much distinction on the age if under 14, except now there is a mandatory 15 to life if the child is under 12. That is a recent law.

[Cleita]

23. Whatever the word is, he's scum.

That girl isn't his only teenage sex object. He also dated then 15 year old actress Nastassja Kinski right after he fled to Europe on those rape charges. It seems he is a serial something or the other. I wonder about how many others there were who never made the news.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

24. I don't care what he is, you just don't fuck kids

I have been propositioned by extremely young women, some quite aggressively. The fact a young girl might potentially be an extremely enthusiastic participant doesn't make it any less WRONG.

Laws exist to protect the young from their own stupidity and those who might prey upon it.

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Curiously, that could be worse...

if we say pedophilia is a pathology that needs a cure more than punishment, but the cradle-robbing of sexually active teens isn't a disease so much as a rude form of debauchery.

[Odin2005]

27. I already pointed that out elsewhere. Doesn't make it any less wrong.

[Mosby]

32. Yes he IS a pedo

The term pedophilia, however, has also been used colloquially to refer broadly to any sexual interest in minors below the legal age of consent, regardless of their level of physical, mental, or psychological development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

[subcomhd]

33. problem with the vernacular

is that a person would or would not have a psychiatric disorder depending on what state they are in.

[MarjorieG]

35. Not to excuse behavior, but questioning case and what was 13 year old doing in photoshoot, mother's

consent and subsequent payoff, as affecting case and her liability.

[kstewart33]

39. He should be prosecuted as if the alleged crime happened yesterday.

If you killed a guy 30 years ago, is the crime less heinous than if you killed him yesterday?

Don't think so.

Stop it with all the sorrow about this guy. If guilty, he's a child rapist. He should pay.

[pipi_k]

42. What about the victim? Doesn't she get a say in how much more attention this gets?

She's clearly said she doesn't want this whole thing brought up again. She's a grown woman now, capable of forming an opinion.

why insist on victimizing her yet again?

[CBGLuthier]

40. accuracy is not important here.

Too much trouble to be accurate, better to anger up the mob with badly applied terms like pedophile.

[Mixopterus]

41. No kidding

[seabeyond]

47. i havent used pedophile once. only he raped a girl. if it was pedophile he raped a really little

girl.

[AngryAmish]

44. amen

[seabeyond]

46. he raped a girl. i dont need to call it anything but what it is. no prettying it up. nt

[bhikkhu]

50. Regardless, the law is the law.

I'd say a whole lot of people need to get over it.

[varelse]

51. He raped a 13 year old child

count me as yet another person who utterly fails to find your erudition relevant or meaningful.

[madeline_con]

52. Does child rapist work for you? n/t

[kath]

54. "scumbag" works just fine for me.