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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:20 PM
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Whoopi On Roman Polanski: It Wasn't 'Rape-Rape'
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 12:24 PM by Cash_thatswhatiwant
This morning on The View, the ladies took it upon themselves to untangle the Roman Polanski affair, because that's their job. In the process, we learned about Whoopi's strange and fascinating moral universe, which includes the concept of "rape-rape."

First: there probably aren't two people out there who have studied this case and agree exactly on what should happen to Roman Polanski, so let's get that out of the way before this conversation spirals down the way it did on The View this morning. There are certainly gray areas to be found here, even if they're only concerning a biased judge. But Whoopi Goldberg, in a condescending rant ostensibly about clarifying exactly what Roman Polanski was charged with (as if that matters, when nobody is denying that he drugged and had sex with a child), can't seem to find them. She seems obsessed with the actual charges to which Polanski pleaded guilty (sex with a minor), and refers to the case as a "suit," as if it's a civil lawsuit about a roach in a box of french fries.

The other ladies try to get a word in edgewise while Whoopi distracts them with her crusade of literal legal language — could it be because Whoopi's own daughter got pregnant at 15? That fact, while seemingly salient (especially when Whoopi says "Would I want my 14-year-old daughter having sex? Not necessarily."), is never mentioned. So close, ladies! Why didn't you jump on her then?

Then it's time for Whoopi to take us into her fantastical moral universe where there's something called "rape-rape," and where it seems perfectly reasonable to her that a man facing jail charges for a crime to which he pleaded guilty would simply leave the country to avoid them. You know it's a good episode of The View when Sherri Shepherd makes the most sense.

Whoopi: "I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like "You know what this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail I'm not staying, so that's why he left."

Oh yes, of course. Duh. Case closed.

What is worrisome about Whoopi's argument is that she refuses to call a 43 year old man having sex with an unconscious 13 year old girl "rape". She may have personal, possibly guilty-parent reasons for not accepting this, but as tangled up as this case is, the fact that it was rape is one of the least controversial things about it. Roman Polanski admitted to drugging and having sex with a child, and in the country in which he did it, that is rape. (Though nice try Whoopi with the "Europeans have sex with children all the time!" argument, or whatever that was.)

It's noble of Whoopi to try to clarify the facts before arguing about a case (her line: "I don't like when we're passionate about something and we don't have all the facts" should be blown up to poster size and placed in front of the ladies for the duration of every show), but a plea agreement isn't necessarily, and often bears no resemblance to, what really happened. People who kill people while drunk driving often cop a plea of manslaughter, when everyone knows it's murder, and Roman Polanski pleaded guilty to a lesser charge than child rape, but it was child rape.

But I will say something about Whoopi Goldberg and the entire discussion on The View today: none of the ladies tried to justify Polanski's actions with the "defense" that he's a genius artist who made groundbreaking movies and should therefore be immune to punishment. Because make no mistake: those people are flat-out saying they would refuse to give up a few good movies to prevent the rape of a child. Whoopi may have been wrong today, but at least she wasn't that wrong.



VIDEO AT LINK: http://jezebel.com/5369395/whoopi-on-roman-polanski-it-wasnt-rape+rape
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:22 PM
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1. She wasn't wrong-wrong?
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:23 PM
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3. She's dumb-dumb.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:24 PM
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4. no does = rape. nt
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:23 PM
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2. Will more date rapists try to use the "Whoopi" defense now?
"I raped her, your honor, but I didn't RAPE-rape her."

Disgusting.
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:28 PM
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6. The double standard that famous people get a pass is disgusting as well. nt
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:25 PM
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5. "I don't like when we're passionate about something and we don't have all the facts"
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 12:25 PM by Matariki
That should be in 72px font at the top of every page on DU as well.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:33 PM
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7. So why is Whoopi famous?
I know her politics and mine are the same...but really she's one of those folks who I cannot really figure out why she is famous.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:34 PM
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8. She was a hell of a comedian in her day. nt
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:40 PM
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11. I saw some of her HBO stuff. Really not my cup of tea. Didn't seem to be the bomb back then either
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 12:44 PM by YOY
And it doesn't get brought up religiously like Eddie Murphy's "Delirious", George Carlin's "Carlin on Campus", Chris Rocks "Bigger and Blacker", or even the atrocious "Dice Man Cometh" by Andrew Dice Clay.

I mean I don't personally dislike the woman but kind of like a few others you have to ask: "Why are they as famous as they are?"
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:52 PM
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24. Not mine either. But she had a real fan base. Got on Trek. Color Purple. nt
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 12:52 PM by Captain Hilts
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:40 PM
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12. Dupe
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 12:40 PM by YOY
n/t
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:44 PM
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15. Stand up comedy...
the movie The Color Purple...
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:45 PM
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16. I did like that movie.
n.t.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:45 PM
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17. You've never seen the Color Purple?
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 02:04 PM
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32. Because she refused to be in _Shakes the Clown_?
:shrug:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 02:34 PM
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34. "As soon as that camera is off, he gonna fuck that little dog."
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 02:37 PM by YOY
That flick has some seriously timeless quotage...I'll spare DU the "Peanut Butter Pussy" one.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:35 PM
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9. What is "rape-rape", then?
Let's see, an adult gave a 13 year old girl drugs and alcohol, and then had sex with her despite her asking him to stop. As far as I can tell, this would be "rape-rape" even if she wasn't 13.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:41 PM
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13. ding ding ding
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:44 PM
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14. I presume the distinction she's trying to draw is "non-statutory".
FWIW, I think that "not rape-rape" is probably a fair way to describe a 18-year-old having consensual sex with a 17-year-old somewhere where 18 is the age of consent - it may legally be rape, but I don't think that a conviction necessarily implies having done anything morally wrong, whereas non-statutory rape is always, without exception, morally wrong.

I think a 43-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old clearly doesn't come into that category, though, whether or not he drugged her or she consented (my understanding is that those are both disputed, although I may be wrong, but frankly I don't think it makes much difference either morally or legally, given her age).

So yes, I think that "not rape-rape" probably is a meaningful category, but that what Polanski did definately was rape.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:38 PM
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10. I had already lost a lot of respect for Whoopi
When she defended Michael Vick's dogfighting.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:47 PM
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18.  I should expect this from someone who tried to excuse Michael Vick's actions
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 12:49 PM by Mike Daniels
as being a product of his culture or whatever BS justification she used.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:48 PM
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19. She was unconscious? All I know is that when I was 13 I was getting high
all the time (by choice) and having lots of sex (by choice) and wasn't too picky about the guy's age. Not saying that was how it happened to them, but it IS a possibility. :shrug:


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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:49 PM
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20. So, a 43 year old man plying a 13 year old girl with champagne and Quaaludes
and then anally raping her may be rape, but it is not "rape-rape". I assume "rape-rape" is the classic "complete stranger jumps out of the bushes, grabs woman, rapes her, woman fights back, plenty of blood and scratches" scenario that Neanderthals tend to think of as the only "true" kind of rape.

I would have expected better from Oprah. Seems like the artistic elite is really sticking together. If Billy Bob Nobody from Mississippi drugged and raped his 13 year old niece, I wonder if Oprah would be defending it as not "rape-rape"?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:50 PM
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21. Whoopi is Hollywood. Polanski was Hollywood. n/t
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:51 PM
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22. DUMB BIATCH!
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CocoaBeachCoco Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 01:42 PM
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31. Nothing defends womanhood like calling a woman a dumb bitch, right?
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:00 PM
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37. the video in your signature is hilarious!
omg wow.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:51 PM
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23. OK...How about, Sex w/ a minor-Sex w/a minor.
Illegal-Illegal.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:54 PM
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25. She is correct. It wasn't "rape-rape." It was just plain rape
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 01:01 PM
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26. It seems like it was statutory rape, date rape and "regular" rape...
but the guy didn't work as a clown, boy scout leader, or catholic priest, so it wasn't "rape-rape".
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 01:13 PM
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28. He hit the trifecta!
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 01:05 PM
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27. She also doesn't have much of a problem with dog-fighting for profit either.
She made some argument that it was some type of cultural difference. :eyes:

Thumbs down, Ms. Goldberg. Here's to hoping that no one ever "rape-rapes" any of your female relatives or friends....guess, if you only have to repeat it once, if and when anything that horrific occurs in their life, that they will suffer no scars (physical or emotional), deserve no justice and everything will be A-OK in your book!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 01:26 PM
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29. Dumb x2
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 01:35 PM
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30. It seems that Whoopi is only looking at what he admitted to through the Plea Deal and doesn't
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 01:35 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
know the details, nor had ever read the grand jury testimony of the girl.

It would have been rape, no matter age the girl was.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 02:13 PM
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33. I just lost any respect I had for her.
Sex with a 13 year old - even if she was stone cold sober and awake and a "willing" participant -

it would STILL BE RAPE!

RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE! RAPE!

no sorta, kinda, maybe, excusable, in any way, shape, or damn form.

It's RAPE. PERIOD.

That bastard should be incarcerated for his CRIME.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 02:37 PM
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35. celebrities stick together. They think the law doesn't apply to them
and sadly, a lot of other people think so too. See: Michael Jackson, the first OJ trial, etc.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 03:43 PM
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36. Unlike Polanski, MJ was declared NOT GUILTY
Don't dare throw him in the same bowl as Polanski. :grr:

Big name celebs didn't stand up for Michael. Polanski has shitload of them, SICK!

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:02 PM
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38. Black folks found acquitted is the same as white folks convicted. You must be new to America.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:21 PM
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39. Whoopi is Stupid-Stupid!
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