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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:32 AM
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Sharon Tate Crime scene photos: Warning:Graphic

http://vanessawest.tripod.com/crimescenephotos.html

I wonder how some here would deal with your expecting wife being hacked to death, slowly.

Yeah, Polanski is guilty. Yeah the girl was 13 and possibly appeared and acted 16, and she was drunk and carrying drugs but technically he raped her. She forgave him many years ago. And she is now probably more wealthy than a lot of republicans.

I dare you to look at the police photos of his very pregnant wife. Then tell me whether or not some compassion is called for in the courts.

Minimum sentence, all things considered.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:34 AM
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1. lol the old dont sentence me for the murder of my parents as im now an orphan
what next the chewbacca defence....
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:30 AM
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65. Without taking sides on this, the analogy is off base,
I understand the point you are trying to make; being a victim in one crime does not absolve you of another.

But Roman Polanski is not a widower as a result of murdering his wife, which is what your statement would imply.

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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:14 AM
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104. Isn't that the Luke Skywalker defense? n/t
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:36 AM
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2. Why on earth would you post that crap here?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:40 AM
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4. I posted a link. n/t
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:41 AM
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5. I know you posted a link. What the hell are you bringing that crap here for?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:43 AM
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7. What crap. Something horrible that took place. Wake up
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:47 AM
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11. Duh!
I know something horrible happened. A lot of horrible things happened. The Bush administration for a start. What good
does reviewing the Tate killing photos accomplish. I don't want to wake up. I want to go back to sleep but can't
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:51 AM
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12. Apologies, donheld. I did include a warning.
And used a link so that anyone opening the post didn't see the photo. I tried.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:53 AM
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15. Yes I know
I just don't understand why anyone whould want or need to review that crap.
Why even point out the photos are on line. And no I did not go to that site.
We've all seen enough hacked up bodies. Why look at more?
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:23 AM
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ROFL
I'll be sure to run it by you next time I want to post a thread on an anonymous message board; wouldn't want you to get all up-in-arms at me :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:37 AM
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Dupe-Delete.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 03:38 AM by proteus_lives
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:37 AM
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3. Doesn't matter.
So his wife's brutal murder is an legitimate excuse for him raping a 13 year-old girl?

Not buying it. More apologist bullshit.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:42 AM
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6. There is no excuse, and we all need a nice teevee trial again.
Because lets face it, war and criminal trials are entertainment now.

But I still say leniency in this case.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:51 AM
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75. I agree, especially since I took the time to learn a bit more
about this case. Even the prosecutor was outraged over the way this case was run, together with the girl herself, who said she was harmed far more by what happened to her in court than the incident itself, and much more information that is available, this is a waste of time, imo.

And a minor point for the law-and-order types, rabid for revenge, rather than justice. He was NOT convicted of rape, so it is a lie to keep repeating that. The law is the law, as they keep reminding us, and the case has been decided, and rape was not the crime.

It's interesting too, that when his wife and child, (named Paul), and three of their friends, plus a fifth person were so brutally murdered on their property, Polanski was accused in the press of having murdered them. More knee-jerk behavior that he had to wait five months before being able to refute it.

Sometimes I feel like I'm on a rightwing site when I come here.

America has a long way to go before we catch up with the rest of the civilized world. This lust for revenge, in a situation that has been settled for years between all the parties, and is no longer our business, is really disturbing.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:06 AM
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98. Thank you, Sabrina1. It is a disturbing trend.
I didn't present my case well in my OP, but the info you bring to this thread is excellent.
I completely forgot to mention the three friend murdered there as well.

People think that celebrities always have it easy. Imagine having the world believing for some time that you brutally murdered your wife, baby, and friends. And then imagine being constantly being reminded of the murders through the media for decades.



This lust for revenge you speak of is rearing it's ugly head all over this country and especially on the right. But seing it here is indeed disturbing.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:45 AM
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8. Nope- no circumstances can be taken into accout in the pursuit of retribution
Can't let anything get in the way of the quest for a pound of flesh.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:46 AM
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10. Yeah, we get it.
Rape's not a big deal to you. :eyes:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:51 AM
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13. You're still at it with the false attributions
Tough dealing with obsessives, because the tendency is to go to any lengths to justify the object (or abstract idea) of the obsession- including ridiculous smears regarding attitudes toward various crimes.

You really should read Les Mis- it's a long book, but one of the most rewarding I've ever read.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:58 AM
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23. I have and you're right it's a great book.
But you're pissing on it by connecting it to the defense of a kiddie rapist.

I'm obsessive? You're the one going to any lengths to give this man a pass for rape. Why is that?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:21 AM
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46. It's very much the same deal Hugo was writing about
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 04:22 AM by depakid
An obsession with vengeance via some sort of twisted sense of duty. Did him in in the end- much as it's collectively caused adverse economic consequences that have taken California to the brink of bankruptcy.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:45 AM
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9. Proteus, doncha know murders turned famous director into kiddie raper! LOL n/t
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:06 AM
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32. For the record, I don't think Polanski HIMSELF ever cited his wife's murder as a defense
n/t.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:46 AM
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86. Agreed n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:53 AM
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14. Wow, those photos really made me feel like raping a 13-year-old.
I guess it will be OK if I just find one who might get rich in a few years...
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:54 AM
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17. Which is why you are not a Judge.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:56 AM
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21. Do you think the photos would make a judge rape a 13 year old?
What the hell is wrong with you?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:00 AM
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25. I should have used the sarcasm thingie.
I get that you don't follow the arguement very well.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:06 AM
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34. Actually, you should have used the brain cell thingie
Preferably before you put up this bizarro OP.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:09 AM
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35. I had a partial lobotomy. Seriously.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:11 AM
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38. OK, you win the weird-out contest.
I'm going to go eat some glass.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:13 AM
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40. Ok. If you do eat glass, just remember...
Do NOT go to the bathroom!
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:12 AM
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39. I still know how to read.
It's amazing how many posters are insisting that I am calling for acquittal.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:37 AM
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152. So about a decade after his wife being murdered Polanski should
be sympathized for because of what he did to a 13-year old?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:54 AM
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16. YUK, yeah, she was raped but she is probably rich now so lets forgive the rapist
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:56 AM
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19. I don't believe I wrote anything about forgiving him. eom
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:56 AM
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20. I care much more about the prosecution of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc
Is that ever going to happen?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:58 AM
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22. Of course not. They been doing this stuff since the eighties.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:51 AM
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68. The victim did. eom
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:55 AM
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18. what did the 13 year old girl have to do with his wife's murder ?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:05 AM
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31. Who the hell knows?
Apparently, somewhere between the slaughter on Cielo and Auschwitz lies pubescent buggery. Damned if I know why.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:00 AM
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24. The rape of the 13 year old happened 7 years after

the tate murders. What? He gets a free pass for life?

My great-great-grandfather died in World War 1, can I have my free pass please?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:02 AM
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26. Were you married to your great-great grandfather?
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:03 AM
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28. that's not very logical
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:04 AM
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30. No logic needed n/t
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:03 AM
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29. No, but I'm still broken up about it
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 04:04 AM by Confusious
Can I have my free pass please?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:10 AM
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36. Sorry about your loss. I never wrote about a "free pass", did I?
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:14 AM
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41. He should go to jail,

for the time he was suppose to serve. Anything else is a free pass ( and a double standard. One law for the poor and obscure, another for the rich and famous. Is That your motto?)

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:02 AM
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27. so let me get this straight
Roman's wife, who he fucked around on, is stabbed to death, so that should mitigate him drugging and raping a 13 year old girl?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:06 AM
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33. You didn't get it. I am not suggesting a free pass by any means.
But I do think a good judge would take Polanski's history into account.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:11 AM
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37. You're suggesting a free pass

If someone goes out and rapes someone after his wife dies, he should get a free pass.

I'll hold you to that.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:15 AM
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42. I am?
If you oppose the Patriot Act and the war, then you are for the terrorists.

How am I pro-rapist in my op, or anywhere else?
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:18 AM
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43. What is the point of the OP then
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 04:21 AM by Confusious
Just to show some gruesome pictures?

You're probably not pro-rapist, you're pro-double standard. One for the poor and obscure, and another for Polanski.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:30 AM
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47. I was a crime victim once. The criminal didn't ask for leniency.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 04:31 AM by Cetacea
The judge, though relayed the guy's past and after hearing it, I agreed with the reduced sentenced.

Of course it was no where near as serious as what we are discussing here.
Oh yeah, he was poor, too. And black. And he was no Kennedy.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:42 AM
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48. who hasn't had something tragic happen in their lives
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 04:44 AM by Confusious
My grandfather died, my dog died, my step-mother died, my grandfather died, every two years, from Jan 1, 1999, dec 2001, jan 2003, dec 2005.

Doesn't mean I get a pass for my speeding tickets.

And what he did is a "hell of a lot worse" to paraphrase your words.

The murders didn't happen in childhood. It happened when he was in his 30's. Other people have had family members murdered and carried on without raping someone.

I could go for your defense, but 7 years is just to long to be out to lunch. If you're that far gone, you're a danger to society and yourself and should be sitting in a padded room.


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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:06 AM
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62. He very well could have been a "danger to himself and others" at the time.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:18 AM
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64. Don't really think so

once or twice and never again shows that he was in control. Again, 7 years is to long to be out to lunch. I'm not going to go overboard, like you, to excuse his actions.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:47 AM
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66. Once again, you say that I am excusing his actions..
Live up to your name, Confucious.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:54 AM
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53. A history of fleeing from prosecution -- yeah, a good judge is going to take that into account. nt
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:49 AM
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67. Because a lousy judge reneged on a plea bargain...eom
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:19 AM
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44. That is NOT a reason to give him a pass.
March, 1977 Grand Jury Testimony of Polanski's victim: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskia1.html

Read this account that was given close to the time of the event.

If his trauma made it likely that he would snap and commit crimes, then he should have been put in a psychiatric ward. He was now a danger to people because the trauma has made him unstable at times. That is the conclusion of this line of thinking.

I bet you can find a lot of awful crimes people witnessed even when very young. The crime scene photos would be horrendous. They just don't make the front pages or happen to be famous people.

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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:21 AM
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45. I was going to write that
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 04:22 AM by Confusious
Couldn't get it out right though. :)

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:42 AM
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49. I'm in Los Angeles was here at the time of the
killings but had never seen those graphic pictures before, violent death is not pretty ... nothing more I can say. :-(
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:46 AM
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50. He is not the only man to have his wife gruesomely murdered. Dear God, I taught English to a Rwandan
man who saw his wife and two daughters raped and killed before his eyes.

Sorry, but getting a 13 year old girl drugged up and raping her in the ass after she repeatedly says "no" is not the result of having your wife murdered 8 years ago.
Being forgiven by the victim doesn't exonerate him.
Nor does her wealth.
That's not how our laws work.

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:50 AM
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52. What a tragedy! This world is so past gone.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 04:52 AM by Cetacea
I wonder how he is doing? I can't imagine going through life after witnessing that without the help of a lot of drugs.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:59 AM
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96. Thank you for posting that...
This poster has serious issues and the more people who post their own experiences the better. I was disgusted by the apologists last night, but this is beyond...just beyond.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:35 AM
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115. I don't use my own horrific past to win arguements.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:50 AM
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51. Sorry, not giving him a pass. But thank you for the link!
I'd seen several of the photos on that site before, but there were many I haven't. (Elizabeth Short's mutilated body is a lot harder to look at than the coroner pictures from Sharon Tate's autopsy.... and slightly OT but was that really an American flag afghan, and was it hung upside down by her killers or was it already that way?)

He knew her age -- he knew she was a minor, he had spoken with her mother. Where do you get that she was carrying drugs? The testimony and the charges indicate he was the one who gave her the Quaalude AND the champagne.

And in her testimony, she said no. "Technically" doesn't come into it, that is rape.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:57 AM
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55. Likewise. You're welcome.
I suppose the picture becomes worse when you take into consideration the details of the murder.
I read somewhere in another thread that she was carrying drugs. I know Polanski gave her a quarter of a Qualude. People did a lot of drugs back then. Where was her mother?
I am not for giving him a free pass. He technically raped her.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:16 AM
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63. I wish you'd leave out "technically".
When a person says no, it's not a rape because of a technicality.

I know a person who knowingly had sex with a minor -- two months before her 16th birthday. She told me herself that she wanted to have sex with him and was a very willing participant. One of the people at the party didn't think it was right (I agree, it wasn't) and told her father. He pled guilty to keep her from having to testify, served his time, and has maintained his registration as a sex offender. That's a situation where I might use "technically" -- and in his case, it was technically sexual assault in the 4th degree.

He raped her. There is no technicality in it.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:03 AM
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60. Exactly
It wasn't like she was a willing 13 year old girl. She repeatedly said "no" and indicated she was afraid of him. That makes him guilty of BOTH statutory rape and old fashioned forcing someone whom doesn't want to have sex with you rape rape.

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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:56 AM
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54. What does the murder of his wife
have to do with his subsequent rape of a 13 year old girl. She repeatedly told him no. Then he fled to avoid sentencing. And avoided the US ever since. His actions don't show that he's remorseful at all for his crime.

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:00 AM
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58. I once agreed to a reduced sentence after learning the party's past.
Judges have the right to take a person's past into consideration. I actually agreed with the judge despite being the victim.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:41 AM
Response to Reply #58
71. That's fine, but
I don't know how the murder of his wife give equivocation to his rape of a 13 year old.

I'm interested in seeing how this case plays out now, and whether his fleeing will contribute to a longer sentencing.

Being part of the peanut gallery, the murder of Sharon Tate doesn't really make me sympathetic to his crime, though.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:43 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. Thank you for your measured response.
I wish more could actually discuss this like yourself.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:02 AM
Response to Reply #72
76. Well, I certainly understand the emotionality
behind the responses. Reading her Grand Jury Deposition is quite shocking, and I don't think that, after reading it, there is any doubt that he is guilty of raping a girl who repeatedly said no about this. I also agree with the posters who are outraged at the idea that his fleeing for 30+ years is a reason for leniency.

I guess I don't want to be confrontational about it, though. I recognize that the case is complex, and his victim doesn't want to pursue it anymore. I have mixed emotions about it all, though I do vehemently disagree with posters who think that a desire to see justice in this instance is a result of vengeance-seeking blood lust. (Paraphrased, of course, but I've seen that argument put forth in a few threads on this topic.)

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #76
78. I have mixed emotions about it myself, given the case's complexity.
And I understand the emotional responses. Thanks. I should have thought this one out a bit more before posting it.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:57 AM
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56. One of the most inane posts I have ever read on DU
congratulations!
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:02 AM
Response to Reply #56
59. Thank you. Possibly the greatest "unrecommended" thread in DU history!
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #59
94. You are welcome
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 08:14 AM by spiritual_gunfighter
Posts with links to crime scene photos trying to support an idiotic point are among my favorite posts on DU, I wish there were more of them. I think I might post some links to some crime scene photos of the Night Stalker murders and then contend that from now on all future traffic violations given to any of their families should be excused because as you contend, they have suffered enough.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #94
105. The old patriot act/ support the troops double bind.
If you were either against both or just undecided about both you were then for the terrorists.

Almost every poster here is using analogies similar to yours when I never wrote that I excuse him from a sentence.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #105
125. What?
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 08:48 AM by spiritual_gunfighter
Just admit it was a silly post and move on. Coming to the defense of a person that raped a 13 year old girl won't win you a lot of support on DU or anywhere else for that matter.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #94
126. You must be getting something from this.
Again, another post totally misconstruing what I wrote.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #126
166. I am a paid operative for
Democratic Underground's Justice For Rape Victims.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:58 AM
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57. Oh yeah, I know if that happened to me the first thing I would go out and do...
... is rape a drugged and drunk 13 year old. I admire his restraint for waiting as long as he did. :sarcasm:

I swear, some people are fucking shameless when it come to apologetics for celebrities.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:04 AM
Response to Reply #57
61. Again, that is why you and many others wouldn't qualify to be a real judge.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:30 AM
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69. Are you serious??
What does his wife being murdered have to do with him raping and sodomizing a 13 year old girl?

Compassion my ass!

You're really sick.

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. Thank you. Discussion equals personal insults.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 06:45 AM by Cetacea
I love you more.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:44 AM
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73. What crime should his victim be allowed to commit?
Since you would pardon Polanski for committing an egregious act of violence against her when she was 13 because he himself was a crime victim, what crime against another could Polanski's victim be pardoned for? If she beats up a child, should she be allowed to get away with it because this bad thing happened to her? Is she free to steal, rape, murder? What? Then what crimes can we give her victims a pass for?

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #73
74. "Since I would pardon" . A reduced sentence is not a pardon, or a free pass.
Otherwise I agree with many of your points.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:03 AM
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77. I am dealing with my husband being shot.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 07:12 AM by ScreamingMeemie
I have yet to rape a child and I don't get many passes for being the widow of a horrific death. In fact I couldn't get out of a freaking speeding ticket.

What a joke.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:17 AM
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:34 AM
Response to Reply #79
80. My husband is dead. Your "misguided post" original post was more
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 07:36 AM by ScreamingMeemie
appropriate. Since you asked, my husband's funeral was a closed casket. How dare you.


And, on edit, this is disgusting...this, what would you call it...comparison? I hope to whatever powers there may or may not be that you get some help if you think this is 1. funny or 2. a valid argument.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #80
82. In all fairness, you didn't state that he was dead. In any case, I apologize.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #82
83. "In all fairness"... What the heck is wrong with you?
There is no fairness here. This entire thread was ill thought out and ridiculous. Your original post to me was correct. The edit you made? Enough to make me vomit. You wish for me to agree that Sharon Tate's death is far worse than my own husband's horrific (yes, I used horrific because I'm not in the emotional frame of mind to callously recount with details the day my life ended along with my husband's--which should be enough for you to get a clue)death? Sorry.

See the above? That is the proper (or at least acceptable) response to the loss of a loved one...even a horrible, gruesome, unexpected, bloody, one. Raping a child is not a proper response. As I said before, I have yet to rape a child.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:49 AM
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #87
90. What is wrong with me?
My husband is fucking dead. My son cries every night for him. That is what is wrong with me.

Again, you should have stuck with "I'm sorry for the misguided post." Now...you're just a jerk.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #90
107. Again, you didn't inform me that your husband was dead, which started this
ridiculous argument. When you did inform me, you just kept...screeming at me. It's just a communication breakdown.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #107
109. Cetacea, you really need to go fuck yourself. You can't salvage this.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #109
124. I just did salvage this. Notice how the original meme post was edited.
She changed "my husband being shot" to me comparing his horrific death to Tates, which I did not do as I did'nt know he was murdered. She knows I am right and that's why she edited the original post.

I don't know why I am even responding to your vulgar and misinformed self.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #124
129. Just stop. It isn't working. You need psychiatric help. And,
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 09:07 AM by salguine
since you say you don't know why you're responding to my "vulgar and misinformed self", I'll help you out. It's because you're one of those people who just doesn't know when to stop. You can never, never admit when you're so glaringly in the wrong, and you'll twist yourself into the most unbelievable knots to avoid simply acknowledging that you said a shockingly horrible, insensitive thing to someone. Then, when you're called out on it, you respond with another statement even more breathtaking in its callousness. Look at the listing of responses to this thread and how your name weaves all through them like a rash. Virtually everyone who's responded to this has told you in no uncertain terms how out of line you are, and instead of thinking, "wow, maybe 100% of respondents have a point; maybe I need to think about what I said," you're determined to fight with each and every one of them.

You're a sick person. You need to just stop.

Just shut.

The fuck.

Up.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #129
136. Because you think I would actually humilate someone whose husband was killed?
I have done nothing wrong as the person in question went back and edited her posts to make it appear that way. I would NEVER ridicule someone who has lost a love one. I refuse to be accused of something that I did not do.

Again, her original post said nothing about how he was killed. I was not aware of his death.
It's called being set up.
Go back and look how many edits ther are.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #136
138. No the set up was your original, sort of nice post Cetacea.
You and I know that the word widow was there the whole time. I did not change my sigline once. The edit was to take out the gunshot wound to the head, and you know it... but go on ahead. BTW, I have had the same sigline for 2 years and 1 month. But thanks, thanks a lot. You're a sweetheart.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #138
149. You really believe I would ridicule the death of your husband?
Or anyone here? I have nothing against you nor anyone else here. I have apologized at least three times now and am with each apology you come back with more vengeance. Maybe I misread your original post. Believe me, it's not a pleasant experience being accused of minimizing the death of anyone.
It's just not me.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #124
137. No the original post said he was shot in the head (I saw it)
It doesn't excuse your distasteful display.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #137
140. Thank you, thank you, thank you...for saying that you saw it...
I know I shouldn't let it get to me, but to have this person say I edited my post and hadn't mentioned the fact that my husband was gone is just crazy. People are crazy. Thank you tammywammy...so very much.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #140
143. To suggest that I would ridicule someone here who lost a loved one is ridiculous.
So either I misread your post or you edited it and some others.

AGain, knowing what I know now, I sincerely apologize and am sorry for your loss.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #143
145. My sigline says "I miss you forever"...
My original response edit was to take out "shot in the head". I had posted that I was a widow, and I left that part in.

It is only sad that you would edit your original "misguided" post for the comparison "did he have his guts carved out". I wasn't even intended to come back to this thread until that happened.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #145
159. I am sorry I didn't read your sig line. But my response was still mean.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #140
150. Yes, well I saw it this morning before I left the house.
:hug:
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #137
142. Can you produce that post?
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #142
148. No, because I don't screenshot every page on DU
I read it this morning before I left the house.

I was going to reply to you when you said you didn't realize he was dead by saying "well, when someone says their husband was shot in the head, they usually don't survive" but then chose not to.

But go ahead and try to defend yourself.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #148
151. I can tell you that I would never attack someone who has lost a loved one.
You've been around for awhile. You should know that about me. I probably missed it in the original thread and I regret it.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #151
157. It's pretty obvious what you said was callous and downright mean.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 09:50 AM by Blue Diadem
Your response even if you didn't, as you claim, know that her husband died, was cold hearted.

Even if she only said her husband was shot, do you really think this is an appropriate response?

Was his stomach with baby inside carved up with dinner ware?






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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #157
160. No, you are correct.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #87
101. Unbelievable.
You seriously need to step back.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #82
84. Though I see that apologies don't get responses here.
You should be apologizing.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #84
85. You will never receive an apology. You don't deserve one.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 07:46 AM by ScreamingMeemie
I'll say it again. How dare you. Roman Polanski isn't the only sufferer of horrendous loss. And most of us manage not to commit heinous crimes in response.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #85
89. Thanks. I really don't think you warrant one, to be honest.
Isn't this fun?
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #89
91. No. It's cruel and disgusting. You stuck your foot in it big time, and using
the time honored tradition of message board participants over the years...you deny it.

and then you summon up the "it happened to me too..." lie. I'm done here. You're filth.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #91
93. Bye!
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #85
153. I meant my apology to you.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #82
106. Wow, I thought your original post was assholish, but you just left it in the dust.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #106
116. She went back and edited her original post. Neat little trick
She didn't mention that he died, or died a horrific death. That was added just now. She then goes on to say that I was comparing Tate's death to her husbands! How could I do that if I din't yet know he was dead?

Sorry, mate. I am not the asshole here.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #116
121. maybe you lack empathy, but i read and immediately thought .... loss.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 08:45 AM by seabeyond
then read your post and immediately thought, ... so very fuckin inappriate. kinda exactly like your original post of sharons death as yes, an excuse, for the rapist
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #121
130. Well, you could put me on ignore.
Since I am no longer the empath that I was once noted for being.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #121
131. The word widow was in both posts, just to keep things clear.
The only thing I had edited out was the fact that he was shot in the head...because it was too troublesome for me to contemplate. This person knew that because his original post was admitting to the fact he was misguided. The only edit was because it was too much for me to post, but I don't like being called a liar.

Thank you for your support. You have no idea how much it means to me.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #131
135. you dont need to explain, clarify, anything. i took it as loss. and the op is insensitive, at the
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 09:14 AM by seabeyond
least.

not just with you but sharons gruesome death. with a 13 yr old who was raped. but damn, if he doesnt have empathy, a whole lot of sensitivity for the rapist.

three females, fuck em

a man

hooyah
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #135
139. Kangaroo court.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #79
100. Wow, that was tacky.
Really fucking low.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #79
103. first thought, what a creep. read further, fuck.....
this is a joke?

ha ha

type

funny

you have a sense of inappropriateness all the way around. but good to lecture du on how to behave
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #103
110. And with that, I bid my fans good day.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:42 AM
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117. Deleted message
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #117
123. ah.. so attack some more. cause nuthin like digging it deeper, kiddo.
read post dude.

evident to me initially she was talking loss. called empathy. it is there in her first post

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #117
133. OMG. How long have you been here and you don't know her story?
Honestly, I am only a casual reader of DU and I am familiar with her story which she has shared with us over the years. You totally owe her an apology and you are a complete and total ass.

And her point is quite true. Horrible things happen to horrible people all the time and they don't get a pass for their subsequent actions.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #133
141. I don't know everyone's personal lives here. Do you?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:39 AM
Response to Original message
81. If she was 15 and the rapist shot an arrow into the groin of a Saddam Hussein dummy
he'd have a career in the Repugniconvict "liberal" media ...
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:49 AM
Response to Original message
88. What happened to his wife was horrific, but he is still responsible
for what he did to that girl.

He should be held accountable.



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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #88
92. Agreed.
Thanks for your civil response.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #92
99. I don't feel very civil after reading your responses to
ScreemingMeemie.

You give Polanski more compassion than you do her. IMO, you owe her a genuine apology.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #99
108. I did apologize. She rejected it. And I was unaware of the details when I posted that.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #108
127. Because she didn't write that he was killed. Until the edit.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #127
132. I wrote that I was a widow. The only thing I took out is where my husband
was shot... because I have a hard time posting it. It is disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #132
146. You accused me of comparing Tates death to your husbands when I didn't know.
If you wrote that you are a widow in your original post than I am truly sorry. I would never do that to anyone, especially here unless there was a mistake.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:57 AM
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95. It makes perfect sence to publish that here.
Who would set him or herself up as monitor?

"You should . . ." coming from every corner of the culture 24-7. The vast imperative mentality jumping from bumperstickers and (where else) Fox News.

Geez.
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colinmom71 Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:03 AM
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97. I have seen those crime scene photos...
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 08:30 AM by colinmom71
Years ago. And it has nothing to do with Polanski's criminal actions several years later. Nothing...

Even PTSD does not give a person license to harm another person without consequence. I've endured traumas, and I refuse to harm another person and give them that sense of harm that I know...

So now I must ask, have you ever actually read the victim's witness statement? Seriously? Because I have.

*Polanski* provided the drugs to that 13 year old girl, chased with alcohol. He then undressed her and raped her vaginally, then turned her over and sodomized her while she was in a drug induced haze. Reading that account was horrible and heartbreaking. And yes, I understand why she wants to just "be done" with the whole ordeal.

But, Polanski ran from prosecution. He ran away rather than face trial for his crime. His choice. And his victim, she had no choice. Whatever consequence that occurs to Polanski's arrest, it will happen directly as a result of his choices...

P.S. - I do understand having sympathy for trauma victims. Really, I do. But Polanski's actions were reprehensible and truly worthy of prosecution (both the criminal act and his attempt to flee justice)...

Post edited to add the PS...
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:12 AM
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102. FFS....that doesn't have anything to do with drugging and raping a child.
:puke:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:23 AM
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111. I think you need help
for even thinking this is relevant.

It was a horrific crime, no doubt. But to say that it caused him to snap and entertain little girls, no. That doesn't work.

Many people have horrible things happen in their lives, yet those events don't cause them to then commit still more horrible acts. Polanski is responsible for Polanski's behavior.

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:31 AM
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113. But when they do go on to commit crimes, it is taken into consideration.
It's just standard procedure. It's up to the judge, really. I know this from experience. I am not exusing Polanski.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:42 AM
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119. We do that for children
because their brains aren't sufficiently wired that they know the consequences of what they do.

Polanski was a grown man, 44 at the time. This was plenty of time to get his head screwed on straight. He should have been of sufficiently sound mind and body to deal with the tragedy of his wife's and friends' deaths. The fact that he chose not to is telling.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:28 AM
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112. He raped a child
I don't care why.

The defense of a child rapist on DU. Thought I'd seen it all!!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:34 AM
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114. There is NO excuse for rape.
He could have cured AIDS and he would still be a sick child rapist.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:42 AM
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118. As someone who was molested at 13, I don't care why the person did it.
I just know that he did do it. And it was wrong.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:43 AM
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120. "Overlook me raping a 13 year old...my wife was murdered."
Did I get that right?

:shrug:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:44 AM
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122. That sums it up
*sigh*
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:01 AM
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128. No, you didn't get it right.
I was merely presenting what a defence attorney will probably introduce with my own opinion on the matter.

This is based on my own experience of agreeing to a reduced sentence owing to the past of the person who committed the crime.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:12 AM
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134. No one is saying that wasn't disgusting.
But people go through ugly things in life daily. There is never any excuse to rape a child. Ever.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:26 AM
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144. Could it be possible that maybe he was just a sick fuck, even before
his wife was murdered? Most people don't react to something awful by suddenly having pedophilic/rape urges. I'll bet that was in him all along, as an adult. Just took a while before he finally acted on it. Who knows what he would have done to his child had it lived.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:42 AM
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155. Could be. The murders and all of the publicity may have been the straw.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 09:42 AM by Cetacea
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:32 AM
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147. One of the dumbest posts I've seen here in a long time
Yes, of course there is compassion for the victims of the Tate murders. That was also, what? 1969? and Polanski raped a 13-year old girl in 1978. So for the rest of Roman's life because his wife was murdered in 1969 we should excuse his criminal behavior when it occurs? The guy had 30 years as a wanted fugitive and now its time for him to pay for his crime. You also seem to be blaming the victim by saying "she was drunk and carrying drugs but TECHNICALLY he raped her." So 50 something year old Roman was taken in by a drunk and drugged out 13-year old girl?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:39 AM
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154. Reading comprehension can be your friend, too. But yeah, it was a dumb post.
I have aasked the mods to delete it.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:43 AM
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156. No I read what you said and drew my conclusions. You want him pitied because
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 09:44 AM by WI_DEM
his wife was brutally murdered. You also imply that the girl was somehow at fault when you write that he "technically" raped her and oh, yes...she was on drugs and alcohol. And then you throw in the old "she looked 16". Now you are back pedaling in responses by saying "oh, I'm just setting it up as to what his defense would be", but no where in your original post do you say that.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:52 AM
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158. I admit the OP was poorly written and most likely my last.
Three days without sleep has taken it's toll. It was a mistake to post this.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:59 AM
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161. Thank you Cetacea.
Thank you very much.

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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:00 AM
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162. and don't make it your last post.
just go get some sleep.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:06 AM
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165. Thank you so much. Now I think I can sleep.
Please accept this :hug:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:04 AM
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164. that is all.
lack of sleep does that.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:18 AM
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167. No need to make it your last
Everyone makes mistakes, and lack of sleep can certainly help with that.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:02 AM
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163. I'll let a judge decide Polanksi's sentence for the rape, but I hope he gets big time for fleeing.


I'd be ok with a year in prison for every year he failed to surrender himself for sentencing.

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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:30 AM
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168. loads of people have bad lives but don't use it as an excuse
Polanski survived the Holocaust. his mother did not.

That experience alone could have ruined him, but he went on to lead a successful life.

His wife was murdered, and that was traumatic and awful, but committ a crime? I think that someone who as a child survived the Holocaust wouldn't let the murder of his spouse push him to rape. If anything, one would think it would make him less likely to inflict pain on someone else.

I think Polanski was just a rich, successful, guy who likes his women young. He likes young beautiful women and in fact while married to Tate, his wanderlust was a source of contention.

He got caught but he ran away. He could have just faced the music and probably done a bit of time and been off making films and have been free to move around. But no, he ran away to Europe because he could afford that luxury.

Funny how a man could be so successful in many aspects but cherry pick how his past may have caused him to rape a young girl.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:50 AM
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169. Locking
at thread starter's request.
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