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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 11:24 PM
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ACORN Versus Serious Criminals
First let's put the crusade to defund ACORN in context:



Among recipients of government money already convicted of serious misconduct, ACORN (had it been so convicted) wouldn't make it onto the list of the top 100. In fact, ACORN could receive 100 times the funding it does and still not make it onto the list.

And you'll notice something else about the top 10 criminal companies receiving government contracts: they're all recipients of military contracts. They've sold weapons to national enemies, leaked radiation, poisoned the environment, defrauded the government, bribed officials, recklessly endangered soldiers, and dozens of other offenses. But they've also all been part of our largest illegal enterprise: wars of aggression, during which various contractors have engaged in rendition, torture, murder, assassination, prostitution, the production and use of illegal weapons, and a variety of other serious crimes.



Here's a different chart. This one lists the top criminal contractors ranked by the dollar amount placed on their misconduct. Here we have, again, military contractors, now including oil companies. And three of the top five are health industry companies. I imagine their crimes would begin to be talked about if we ever had a national discussion of healthcare reform.

Oh, wait.

Why are they not talked about?



This might help explain it. A list of the all-time top campaign "contributors" includes some familiar names. I've added ACORN to the list, but it doesn't seem to fit. Not only does ACORN not give money to candidates, but ACORN doesn't do much else that other government contractors engage in. For example, ACORN doesn't do any of this:



But ACORN does a lot of this, and this, and this, and this, and this.

ACORN is unlike most government contractors and unlike most other organizations. It mobilizes the working poor for better streets and schools and neighborhoods, better loans, better housing, decent transportation, a living wage and equal rights. ACORN Housing Corporation recieves government funding to provide loan counseling, much of it aimed at keeping predatory loans out of neighborhoods while getting good loans in. If the government had availed itself of some of this counseling, it could have prevented the crash of Wall Street and the need to bail it out. So, perhaps closer oversight of ACORN is indeed called for. Senators and Congress members who knew something about the lives of the poor would be a welcome change. But if we're going to start defunding companies, I don't see why we should start at the bottom rather than the top.


PHOTO: David Swanson

David Swanson was communications coordinator for ACORN from 2000 to 2003 and is the author of the new book "Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union" by Seven Stories Press. You can order it and find out when tour will be in your town: http://davidswanson.org/book .
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 11:34 PM
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1. I have seen conservatives say that ACORN is worse than the Mafia
That's really telling, about the conservatives anyway.
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obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 12:35 AM
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2. Child prostitution!
I don't give a rat's ass who blows the whistle!
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 01:11 AM
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5. yeah that point keeps getting overlooked for some reason
personally im the same as you i dont care if cheney himself was the one to blow the whistle for me its unforgivable.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:04 PM
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22. What point was over-looked? I hope you mean the point that
this was an outrageous lie not to mention a violation of the law in two states, not by ACORN btw. You must know by now that these two students of Karl Rove were reported to the police by at least two of the offices they visited. A third saw right through what they were doing and gave it back to them by playing their game. They stupidly fell for it and published HER prank, that she had murdered someone, as FACT, making idiots of themselves, Rove and Hannity, NONE of whom reported this 'murder' to anyone.

It's really sad to see how quickly the 'left' is willing to believe Rovian dirty tricks about those who are on their side without even investigating.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:12 PM
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26. All one need do in America these days is mention something like this- regardless of the truth
and 100 million+ people's reasoning and critical thinking processes blow a circuit.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:50 PM
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27. So true, but at least a few years ago, on democratic blogs
at least, airc, most people would never have fallen for anything coming from sources like these. People on the 'left' were far less willing to just accept the word of anyone in any way associated with Rove et al, as O'Keefe is, and definitely if it came from Fox/Hannity/Limbaugh, it was investigated thoroughly before being given any credibility.

Now we have this attitude on 'left' blogs, that we must show the right what 'good little citizens we are' as if we should care what the far right fringes of society think, or as if they will ever give credit to anyone on the 'left' for anything.

This new attitude is giving them power that they do not have and if Dems don't start fighting back, they will be back in charge in 2010 and the same people who jump on the bandwagon will be wondering what happened.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 01:31 AM
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7. Doctored video tape! Sound bites! Gullibility!
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:40 AM
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8. I think the worst part is the right admiring people that propose setting up and operating -
houses of child prostitution.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:49 AM
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10. Didn't ACORN report the "child prostitute pimp"?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:55 AM
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16. Yes, they did. They played along and then called the cops. n/t
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:17 AM
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11. um, those other companies actually KILL children
not just lie about it in order to make a bad sting operation.

I'd think that would mean something: actual, heinous crimes against TEH CHILDRENS! vs something made up by FOX to make Acorn look bad.

But I guess I was wrong.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:21 AM
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12. Children were prostituted??
When?? Where??
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:40 AM
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14. What child prostitution??
There was no child prostitution!

Good god...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:54 AM
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15. WTF are you talking about??? n/t
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:53 AM
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19. Are you being sarcastic or haven't you heard....
Acorn reported that incident to the police.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:55 PM
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20. Please supply your evidence of Acorn being involved in
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 06:09 PM by sabrina 1
child prostitution? It's certainly laudable to be outraged over vile crimes like child prostitution so long as it is not a figment of the imaginations of the far right fringes of the Republican Party.

But from my research on this latest Rovian smear, the only people advocating child prostitution were O'Keefe and Giles, for which they were reported by ACORN in at least two of their offices, to the police.

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G Gordon Libby Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 03:22 PM
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29. Isn't that kind of like Whoopi Goldberg saying
...it wasn't RAPE-rape!" in the case of Roman Polanski?
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 12:36 AM
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3. I think your title should reference graphic images...
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 12:36 AM by armyowalgreens
You know since you posted a dead beat up body.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:38 AM
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13. actually that's a
liberated Iraqi

get with the program, bub

I do see your point, but we paid for it, we should see it
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djp2 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 01:06 AM
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4. Well done!!
Thanks!
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 01:14 AM
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6. K & R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:47 AM
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9. Tell it.
Recommended.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:45 AM
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17. K&R nt
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:48 AM
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18. All the makers of murdering machines are on the list I see.
Pity we only punish the poor and not the rich.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:00 PM
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21. Well done
:applause:
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:50 PM
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23. K&R -
Another one of those, "Quick! Looky over here!" moments brought to you by the GOP ... I'm getting so sick of the propaganda and bullshit, thanks for keeping it real David.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:05 PM
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24. Great Work, David, thank you. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:10 PM
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25. Democrats never learn- they let Republicans pull the rug out from under them every time
And here they're carrying Republican water- and screwing their own constituencies and themselves in the process!

It's lose/lose to the point of being pathetic. Meanwhile thousands- probably tens of thousands of banksters, fraudsters and food poisoners -who've violated multiple federal statutes are laughing all the way to the bank- and to their McMansions.

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 03:44 AM
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28. Excellently put into proper perspective!
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 03:45 AM by Turborama
Thank-you David. Too late to rec but here's a well deserved kick back to the top of the page.

:kick:
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