Gun went off at a gun show in Mesa, AZ grazed a woman in the neck.

[lonestarnot]

Mexican delegation there to "learn" from the show. :rofl:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/mesa/story/PD-Woman-child-injured-as-weapon-fires-at-Mesa/Adu5UVs1wUybPmIne4ifpw.cspx

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Well, at least we know that one was in working order.

No sense buying something that's defective.

[lonestarnot]

2. Snort.

:evilgrin:

[aikoaiko]

3. It would be nice if the paper published the name of the dealer and business so that people could..

...stay the heck away.

This guy is an idiot and there should be repercussions.

[lonestarnot]

5. He's apparently well done. Ousted, outcast, jerked.

[aikoaiko]

7. Still, I'd like to know who it was.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Was the shooter licensed to carry?

[lonestarnot]

6. who knows, innocently digging through a gun bin.

[Hangingon]

25. Why would that matter?

Licensed carriers do get some training, but many gun owners are not licensed to carry. It is not required to shoot at a range or hunt. In Texas, you do not need a license to carry when you travel.

[Treo]

8. Interesting

Every gun show I go to requires that all guns for sale be zip tied in such a way that they can't be loaded or fired. In any case it seems clear that the thing to do here is ban all private fire arms ownership.

[Hangingon]

26. The shows around here do not allow any loaded guns.

This incident sounds like the dealer brought a loaded gun into the show and did not have it on the table (?). I doubt he will be allowed back to a reputable show in this area. You are righht about the zip station. They inspect weapons and put on the zip tie.

[petronius]

28. Clearly!

:rofl:

[Xenotime]

9. What about the RW nutjob sayings that "guns are safe" and "a gun can't go off by itself."

Ha. Evidence to the contrary.

[Tim01]

12. The dealer brought it in loaded. Someone else pulled the trigger.

Totally the dealers fault. It didn't just go off by itself. And most people SHOULD have enough sense to check a gun before they pull the trigger in a crowded bldg.

The dealers financial life is about to get very bad. He will be ostracized in the gun community and probably forced out of business.

[Statistical]

15. Do you have proof it went off on "it's own".

Most likely someone pulled the trigger and it fired.

If it was a dealer firearms he should lose his FFL license.
If it was someone personal firearm and they had a carry permit they should lose their license.

Firearms don't just "go off". The fire when you pull the trigger no matter if you mean to or not.

[aikoaiko]

17. What part of "Someone later pulled the trigger of the gun," didn't you understand from the article.

:shrug:

[rd_kent]

19. And how does any of that apply to this case?

An idiot brought a loaded, ready to fire weapon into the show and someone "pulled the trigger". Knock your own strawman down.

[Pavulon]

32. Mechanical engineering is not your friend..

guns do not go off by themselves. This involved a person pulling the trigger.

[Tim01]

10. Last time I heard about someone getting shot at a gun show it was a uniformed cop that messed up.

He decided to reload his glock while in the bldg. Some genius at the door had put a zip tie around his trigger instead of through the action. So when the cop inserted a mag and and operated the slide, the trigger was already pulled. Bullet through an old mans leg.

[DefenseLawyer]

11. Two tickets to the gun show

[mgc1961]

13. That's an interesting story.

The reason I find it interesting is that defense of gun carry is often a defense of a carrier's ability to not shoot other people. What about carriers who accidentally shoot themselves? Two examples: Plexico Burris and my great uncle who also shot himself in the leg but was so embarrassed and/or afraid of trouble with his father that he concealed the wound until it became so infected an amputation was required to save his life.

[Statistical]

16. Plaxico wasn't legally carrying, and likely neither was your uncle.

[mgc1961]

18. And your point is?

[rd_kent]

20. Whats yours?

[mgc1961]

21. Legal carry permits are no guarantee of safety.

I honestly don't know whether my uncle was legally carrying or not. That was about 90 years ago. At that time, in that part of country, they may not have even entertained the idea of what it meant to legally carry a gun. However, I'm quite sure he wasn't a novice to handling a gun. His father surely wasn't and neither am I.

[Treo]

31. What is the number of permits V. the number of accidents involving a permit holder?

Permit holders, by and large don't touch their carry weapon unless they need to, they are aware that it is loaded. In this case a dealer (the article never states that he was a permit holder)broke, the rule against bringing a loaded firearm to a gunshow and the rule against leaving a loaded firearm unsecured. Another person broke the rule against touching a weapon W/out personally clearing it and the rule commonly known as "keep your boogerhook off the bang switch". So two idiots broke four rules, how is that an indictment against me ?

[Ian David]

14. From my cold, dead clumsy hands! n/t

[FarCenter]

22. Rule number 1 -- never point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot!

Assume all guns are loaded and ready to fire.

[DFW]

23. This reminds me of a car dealer who got a complaint from an idiot customer who had an accident

She was selling high-end cars here in Germany (her dad ran a BMW dealership, and she worked there for a while).

Soon after the ABS was introduced, one customer ordering a particularly expensive model came in soon after picking up
his new car. he was all upset and huffy about how he had plowed into the rear of some other car, and demanded to know
why his Anti-Blocking System hadn't stopped his car in time to avoid the collision. The woman patiently tried to
explain to guy that the ABS system was installed to allow drivers to retain more control of their car under certain
suddenly appearing adverse weather conditions. She told him that the ABS in no way protected against stupid and dangerous
driving habits.

She said he didn't very much appreciate her explanation. Guys who drive like that rarely do, I guess.

[Generic Brad]

24. You can't lay blame on anyone for this happening

Sure, someone loaded the gun with live ammo. Sure, someone accidentally pulled the trigger. But once those bullets leave a gun, it's like they have a mind of their own. It's not like anyone caused the accident. Innocent bystanders should be more careful about where they stand. :sarcasm:

[Hangingon]

27. I think the blame can be layed to the people who inspect

guns brought into the show and on the dealer. The dealer will suffer most. His business will take a big hit because he won't be allowed ito other shows. I have never been to a gun show with an AD but I have heard of them happening. It is rare and will impact the shows insurance.

[Treo]

29. From the article

He won't be invited back to this gun show" said Bob Templeton, who runs the gun show. "We just had a guy here who didn't think he had to follow the rules."

"We just had a guy here who didn't think he had to follow the rules."

didn't think he had to follow the rules."

follow the rules."

There are rules in place at every gun show that prohibit loaded fire arms in the venue. Just like every other restriction on firearms they only work until someone who's willing to break the rules shows up. What I don't understand is why this idiot's refusal to follow the rules has any bearing on my RKBA?

[BillDU]

30. Law of averages

How many people were at the gun show?
How many people are attending all gun shows.
This is one incident.
The ratio of attendees to incidents seems to indicate that for the most part, people handle guns responsibly at gun shows. Of course nothings perfect and never will be.