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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:16 PM
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Warning to gays: Religious Right going to stop being so darn nice
If you have followed what Religious Right leaders have been saying about gay people for, oh, the past 30 years, youd be stunned to learn that Religious Right leaders say the key to resisting the homosexual extremist movement is to stop being so nice and polite when it comes to the gays.

About 100 activists at the How to Take Back America conference attended the workshop on How to Counter the Homosexual Extremist Movement. Workshop speakers Matt Barber and Brian Camenker urged people to be loud rabble-rousers when opposing the teaching of tolerance or sex ed in public schools. They said not to worry about being nice or polite or liked, but to push Gods anti-gay agenda forcefully. Christ wasnt about being nice, said Barber. Camenker bragged about having once sent two congregations to scream outside a targeted legislators home.

The workshop was largely a parade of horror stories about gay activists using the schools to recruit children and undermine the values taught by conservative Christian parent an exhortation for people to tell the truth about homosexual extremists.

Barber employed Nazi imagery, with gay propaganda goose-stepping along and trampling anyone who disagrees. He also strung together the most adjectives Ive yet heard applied all at once to President Obama, declaring that this president is a secular humanist, a radical socialist moral relativist.

Workshop MC Jayne Schindler, from Eagle Forums Colorado chapter, complained about the influence of gay-rights activists in the state, which she and others attributed to the influence of gay businessman and activist Tim Gill. Another questioner complained about transgender activism in the state, and claimed that high school guys thought it was great to be able to go into girls bathrooms by saying they were getting in touch with their feminine side.

There was some small disagreement about how much people should rely on religious arguments in the public sphere, with Matt Barber urging people to focus on the ick factor around gay sex and on claims that homosexuality is a health threat, which he called the movments Achilles heel.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/warning-gays-reli...
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:20 PM
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1. small correction
should be "teh gays", not "the gays"

hey charles, the people quoted in this article are so friggin' ridiculous it sounds like The Onion

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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:22 PM
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2. Oh, great.
Just great.

:puke:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:23 PM
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3. I like to focus on the "ick" factors of bigotry and lying.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:24 PM
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4. That's a shame. I guess we will have to stop being so nice to the religious right.
They push, we push back harder.


Let's make their lives a fucking nightmare.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:25 PM
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5. Maybe I don't understand, since I'm not a "Christian", but what SPECIFICALLY did Jesus say re: Gays?
Funny, I can't remember anything. Must be because I don't know the Bible, huh?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:38 PM
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14. Jesus said: "Teh Gays are fabulous! Hey, isn't that Kathy Griffin?"
Ru Paul 5:17. Look it up.

;)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:43 PM
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51. LOL
I'm sure Ru Paul had a much better book than any of the ones written by Paul.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:56 PM
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20. And better off for not having read the bible!!!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:54 PM
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36. Actually, I have read it.
And I consider most of it utter gibberish.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:21 PM
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38. Agree!!!
I read the Book of Revelations once... sounded like drugged-out rants and raves to me...
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:21 PM
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31. He said nothing about them
Fundies base their hatred on the Old Testament, which has all sorts of fun arcane laws that they like to pick and choose to rant about.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:54 PM
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35. I know.
Maybe my snark wasn't apparent enough, there?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:16 PM
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37. well he said he was Gay


He said that when you see a person who is without a home, or is hungry there you see him.


By application he was saying wherever you find those oppressed by the inhumanity of man you will find him, i.e. when you see a Gay person feeling the pain of hatred you can see him.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:37 PM
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43. Absolutely nothing nt
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:25 PM
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6. Christ wasnt about being nice, said Barber.
:wtf:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:29 PM
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9. Well he wasn't nice with the Saducees

The Saducees were the ones that ran the temple and profited from the infamous money changing tables.

They were the people in power who compromised with the military might of the Roman Empire to enhance their own personal position.

Later they conspired with the Romans to have Jesus killed.

By the time the New Testament was written the temple was gone and so were the Saducees.


Now who does the Saducees remind you of?

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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:23 PM
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32. The 700 Club
When Jesus returns, he'll probably kick Robertson's ass live on the air.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:30 PM
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41. He well might have a sore foot by the time he's finished kicking ass - there are so many!
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 09:32 PM by RKP5637
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:42 AM
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57. I'd pay food money to see that. Hopefully, it will be on pay-per-view. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:25 PM
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7. Well that always was a big point of the Lord Jesus Christ - be less nice!!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:27 PM
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8. Yes. Scholars who TRULY understand the Sermon on the Mount realize that the true subtext
amounted to "Stomp The Queers". :crazy:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:30 PM
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10. "Blessed be those who stompeth teh Gay" its in their somewhere.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:33 PM
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11. Some gays already know the answer...
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:21 PM
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30. When backed up against a wall you loose the choice of being nice...
Given how outrageous these gay bashers have become I can certainly see why people would join. Years ago I had a friend that always carried a permitted/licensed concealed handgun to bars. He had run into problems in parking lots leaving late at night.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:34 PM
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12. These are the same pseudo anti-christs who had no problem with slavery, segregation, and racism
We are dealing with some very sick people

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:58 PM
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23. Yes, akin to the KKK if not the same...
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:35 PM
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13. "How to Take Back America?" - Oh yeah, right - to the dark ages
Freakin' idiots.
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buzzycrumbhunger Donating Member (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:43 PM
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15. There's an "ick" factor, all right. . .
Unfortunately, it would seem they're up to their eyebrows in it and don't recognize where it's really coming from. :thumbsdown:

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:01 PM
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25. Some people don't think their sh** smells!!!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:51 PM
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16. Good Old American Hatred in the Name of Jesus and God!!!
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 07:54 PM by RKP5637
These people are so evil, they, are the devil in disguise. I don't see why more don't call them out for what they are... Use the God word in America and many give you a free pass no matter what BS you sling. Disgusting! Too bad Reagan ended the state hospitals and now these people are on the loose. These people make America a joke. They remind me of the KKK reborn!!! And the likes of Fox News, for example, is so pleased to make money off of them... I resent being forced to have Fox News on my cable.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:52 PM
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17. Nice to see they haven't thrown in the towel in their battle against The Onion.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:55 PM
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18. Christ would turn his back on these people. nt
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:26 PM
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34. And they'd call the cops
"Oh my lord.....a vagrant has come into my neighborhood!!!!"
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:29 PM
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40. A long haired smelly hippie - arrest him and throw the book at him.
Jesus would be persecuted again by these people... From my days in church these people represent everything Jesus was against. They are so damn evil and practice their evilness under the banner of God. It is ridiculous and disgusting.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:55 PM
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19. *facepalm*
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:56 PM
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21. Using Nazi Imagery to Describe Teh Gayz?
That makes as much sense as describing a black man as being like Hitler. Where do they think that the Pink Triangle symbol came from?

:argh:
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:57 PM
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22. "Christ wasn't about being nice"
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 08:01 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
I apparently was lied to every Sunday morning when I was a kid if THAT is true. :eyes: :wtf:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:59 PM
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24. people who believe in a values system based on fairy tales can't be rational about gays nt
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triple point Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:07 PM
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27. Or rational about anything else...
:shrug:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:03 PM
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26. Aren't we supposed to end the divisiveness with these people?
They just have a different set of legitimate opinions, after all. We are supposed to LISTEN to them.

At least that's what I keep getting told.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:16 PM
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28. I've listened. There is nothing to hear.
Just unrelenting bullshit and endless hate. They cannot be reached, period. Religious people, especially the fundie wackos, appear to be the most negative, bitter, hateful people on the planet. If this is what religion does to your mind, then I thank GOD I'm not religious. I say just ignore them and MOVE ON already!
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:19 PM
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29. So now they'll just openly admit to wanted them executed?
Well, at least they'll be honest. :sarcasm:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:28 PM
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39. That's no joke...

if they want to find Nazis (or at least those who aspire) all they have to do is look in the mirror.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:24 PM
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33. Speaking of religion
It's almost Sunday. Time to watch my favorite sermon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNy6ziOyxoA
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:35 PM
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42. The Religious right....why don't they just fucking die already
"Christ wasn't about being nice,

Is that a fact? All those years of Catholic upbringing and grade school never preached about a Christ that would tolerate that shit! Nope...not ONCE did I hear about anything so vile

Why can't these fucking people just rapture themselves? and get the FUCK OFF MY PLANET!!!!!!!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:41 PM
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44. I feel sorry for their kids...
It must be dreadful growing up around these people if young and you have a clue about what idiots they are...
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:36 PM
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46. yeah...I agree
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:02 PM
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45. These wackos did the same crap with health care
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:58 PM
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47. Warning to Religious Right: Many GLBT are not as passive as you think
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 11:00 PM by TheWatcher
And more of us are armed than you would EVER feel comfortable with.

Don't bite off more than you can chew.

You Have been warned. :)
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:06 PM
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49. Everyone is not a limp wristed pansy to be bullied!
I get so tired of these fucktards thinking every gay person in the world can be pushed around by them!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:59 PM
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48. "Adults of the Corn?" rather than "Children of the Corn," Stephen King's movie...
I was just watching "Children of the Corn" ... I was just thinking, an older cast, change the name to "Adults of the Corn," and we well might have Religious Right!
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BillDU Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:23 PM
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50. Wow!
I'm completely flabbergasted!
When were they nice?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:48 PM
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52. These people are such idiots.
Jesus never said ANYTHING about gays, at least not in the Gospels as I've read them.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:57 PM
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53. I find that I'm incredibly intolerant of intolerant people...
... and I'm fine with that.

I have gay friends. I'm as protective of them as I am of all my friends. Somebody tries to hurt them, they're going to have a straight size 10 1/2 straight up their asses.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:16 AM
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54. Figures.
You know, I've had it. I just told off an older friend who occasionally sends near right-wing emails, you know support the troops yada yada. I've let it slid because they weren't that bad. Today, I get pictures of "A tea party" with all those conservative assholes. They toss in a token black conservative in the pictures I notice--just to prove they aren't racist you understand, a black face or so in all that sea of white.


I saw NO log cabin repuke type photos, no doubt, because these people believe, devoutly, that Gay people are going to burn in hell.

Sick, sick sick way to think, sick way to feel, sick way to express faith in ANY fucking thing--celebrating the eternal torture of a human being. They aren't nice. They've never been nice. They're disgusting motherfuckers who have caused, and continue to cause incredible damage to society. They know neither real love of others, nor true enlightened faith, nor the courage of progressive change or even have the ability to challenge what is wrong. They hide behind bizzare sexual obsessions and dim and distorted definitions of morality. They have a damaged ego-in-a-loop, one that never allows genuine altrulism. They are unable to even imagine peace on earth, no matter what their little decorations say at Christmas. In fact, they don't WANT peace, not in any way I can see. They live for dissension and what they love, if you want to call it that, is strive and war and hate and division--any division. Probably constantly creating an 'other' is the only way they have of individuation. Shit.

Somehow, these sociopaths (yes they are; oh yes they are)Have gained far too much support from people who should know better. People who don't want to think, and are afraid to feel.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:19 AM
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55. Who did Jesus call out and get pissed at?
The religious hypocrites.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:43 AM
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56. Gee, how much more 'not nice' can they get, hope it backfires like it did at a local park here
Edited on Sun Sep-27-09 12:44 AM by ShadowLiberal
Lets see here, when you already call gays an abomination, think it's ok to do hate crimes against gays (I mean what else can you conclude by their opposition to including gays as a group protected by hate crimes), and treat gays like a pariah how much less 'nice' can you get?

The religious right would be wise to observe that in the media age being too cruel and mean can blow up in your face. A few years ago in my area there was a group of antigay people who ended up making their side looking really bad in the news. You see there was a public park where a church had paid money years ago to put a big statue of the ten commandments. So the antigay people wanted to put up statues saying some really horrible stuff about gay people, stuff so awful they even disgusted local churches who didn't favor stuff like gay marriage. The antigay people sued and got a court to rule that the park had to allow all speech in the statues or none. So then the church willingly moved it's statue of the ten commandments onto their own property so the park wouldn't have to let others put up statues saying really hateful things. So in the end lots of locals were really disgusted by the antigay bigots, and the antigay bigots failed to accomplish anything meaningful, except ironically pushing religion out of public parks in the area.
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BillDU Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:33 PM
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59. Agreed
I agree.
Its better to be for something than against something.
If people promoted heterosexuality and then just didn't worry about those that weren't on board then they might be alot more respectable. It's their tendency to play God and punish those that don't agree and do something different that gives them an ugly face. Sort of like wanting to rid society of pizza eaters because you personally think people should eat steak.
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GirlAfire Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:19 AM
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58. How I Adore the Reich-Wing
Homosexual Extremist Movement = Teaching of tolerance

Duh.

And LOL @ "Christ wasnt about being nice"
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