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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:51 PM
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I just unsubbed from the Whitehouse newsletter and gave the reason as my disappointment with the
president's refusal to push for something better than a give-away to insurance companies. I did this over the last week from 3 of the 4 email addresses at which I was receiving them. I had merely intended to unsub, as I am concentrating all my political email into a designated account, but when they asked for my reason, I thought it was just one more place to maybe get a progressive voice heard.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:53 PM
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1. Aren't you special. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:05 PM
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8. no, just a realist
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:10 PM
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:01 PM
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11. So what have you done to make anything better?
You snark a lot. Does that make you special? You tote the largest collection of pom poms on the board. Doest that make you special?

I think he has a good idea. If a couple of thousand of us did the same thing, there is no way the message would be lost. Obama is my president. I helped get him hired. I think that was worship enough. Now, if he isn't going to do the job I hired him for, I think he should hear about it. You keep on with the big old kisses and hugs. I'm sure that will get him to change.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:49 PM
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13. Apparently snark's a good way to rack up more than 117,000 posts in just five years.
It's probably hard to manage much in the way of substance when one must throw up nearly 2,000 posts a month, sick or well, rain or shine.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:23 AM
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:01 PM
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37. Lots of pom pom litter from throwing them at half the DUers. nt
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dolphindance Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 04:47 AM
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51. Funny coming from you, the master of 1 and 2 liner dismissals. (n/t)
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:40 AM
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31. +1
:thumbsup:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:54 PM
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38. +1 n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:55 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:50 AM
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 03:48 AM
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21. K&R Thanks for sharing, it's an example I will probably copy. nt
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:08 PM
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45. What I said before. /m
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 10:53 AM
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50. I guess that I'm special too.
That is, if telling our own party's politicians that I don't agree with their tacks on certain issues makes one special.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:53 AM
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56. Welcome to the club!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:55 PM
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2. i bet he's thinking about quitting now. i'll wait till i have something to be disappointed about
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:51 PM
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5. In fact, it's been widely reported that pressure from the left has had the effect of strengthening
the resolve of many democrats and the president to stand firm against repuke gutting of the bill.

I'll bet if enough people unsubdued and gave a reason that we are disappointed with the seeming willingness of the Prez and the Dams to give in to Republican and Blue dog pressure to gut the bill, it would be noted.

One can always resub.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:43 PM
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10. You are correct.
We call regularly and we make our feeling well understood.

If it was just you... nope, would be pissing in the ocean... but it is many of us who are putting pressure from multiple fronts.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:02 AM
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23. Quitting? No, you're thinking of Sarah Palin?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:55 PM
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3. Last I heard no law had been passed. Nor is there a final bill yet
If you are protesting because of the Baucus Bill, that hunk of junk will never move on as is.

There are 4 or 5 bills floating around. It is still being negotiated. Harkin is pretty confident the final bill will be close to Kennedy's bill. There is a thread on that out in GD.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:57 PM
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4. "Harkin sees passage of Kennedy-backed health plan"
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:04 PM
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7. It has been widely reported that mounting pressure from the left has been influential in what the
the White House and the hill see as viable. Unsubbing from the newsletter is, obviously, a small gesture, but one that would not fail to be recognized if enough lefties did it.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:15 AM
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24. Its been widely reported that President Obama
was born in Kenya!

I don't believe that either.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:50 PM
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42. Ha! Funny...but irrelevant.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:54 AM
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36. Sure.
And all that screaming and yelling from RW parents kept Pres. Obama from "indoctrinating" their children with Marxist slogans. Funny how when they use BS to take credit for how things are going it's crap, but when we do it, its Gospel.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:52 PM
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43. So, we should stop writing, calling, and protesting altogether? Nothing we do matters? Well, that
saves me a lot of time and effort. Thanks for the heads up.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:53 PM
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6. I did the same thing Lib
About a month or two ago.

Peace
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:04 PM
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12. Attention-seeking poutrage noted.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 11:06 PM by BlooInBloo
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:50 PM
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14. I guess that is an indication of why you post to DU. Not me. Just suggesting a group action that
might register.

No pouting involved. No rage.

What, no better posts on the board you could lend your oh-so-important judgment to? I've read lots of your posts, and you're often rude and bullying. No surprise here.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:31 AM
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29. Next time you want to tell someone to screw themselves...
...do it straight up without all this sneaking around.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:02 AM
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16. Thanks for letting us know of another way to have our voice heard.
Let's hope someone is listening.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:09 AM
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17. Yeah, every little bit helps. And thanks for seeing the point of my post.
Apparently a few DUers are just looking for an excuse to show off their lame snark.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:55 AM
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19. What a coincidence
I just got home from making phone calls at my local Democratic Party/OFA headquarters asking people where they stood on health care; asking them to call their reps and the WH and demand real health care reform, and to speak out if they support a public option and are pissed about give-aways to the health insurance industry; asking them if they had questions about the health care reform sausage mill we're witnessing; and asking whether they are interested in volunteering locally, since we have important midterm elections coming up next year.

Maybe it's just me, but, seemed the productive thing for me to do.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 03:58 AM
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22. Thanks! I hope you were able to stir up some action. I've never written and called my
congress critters more than I have over the past few months. I often do wonder if it makes a difference. We don't have money to give now (though we did to Obama), so I try to believe that every little bit helps.

We hadn't ever been involved in politics in the past, but my husband and I volunteered locally. We haven't been contacted since the election, and have been overwhelmed with extended family obligations, so haven't checked in, either. Hopefully we'll become available by the time they are ready for us.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:45 AM
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27. Slowly, but surely people are starting to want to get back involved, it seems
The holidays are coming, so less people will stay involved, probably.

And I, too, wonder whether all the calls and declarations with signatures that are sent to our congress critters matter. I get frustrated, because I feel like we're spinning our wheels. A lot of people are confused about the health care/insurance stuff. Many express that it's not going the way they had envisioned - that they want public option and not these crap bills.

Last night, I discovered another astroturf group who's fighting health care reform - they've got some doctors involved - I posted about it. Come to find out, the group backing them have mailed over 1 million signatures to congress. We have a lot of opposition - and they are out there in force, fighting against us by making their voices heard. So I guess, I need to try to help get our voice heard. :hi:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:22 AM
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20. K&R
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:28 AM
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25. K&R.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:37 AM
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26. You've brought the administration to its knees
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 07:38 AM by Jeff In Milwaukee
:boring:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:25 AM
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:36 AM
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30. Why not at least wait to see what the final bill is? Maybe tell them that you'll leave if there's no
strong public option but I see no reason to take yourself out of the loop at this point.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:58 PM
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39. In the past, the truly big and important bills - IWR, the Bailouts, etc -
Get suddenly propelled through Congress in a "Here's the 1,000 page bill and it's an emergency so don't bother reading it, just vote for it" style (Naomi Kliein calls this the "Shock Doctrine")

Obama has already said this has to get DONE NOW! (Though what IT is, we don't know. Could be the Baucus bill, could be the Baucus bill with some deferential items put in it to appease Snowe, could be another bill.)

So we cannot wait, really. If we wait, the bill will be passed right in front of our noses, with no time to object.




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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:07 PM
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44. As I explained, I unsubbed from 3 of the 4 email addys where I was getting it, 4-3=1. And
I believe that threatening to do something is far less effect than actually doing it. Again, anyone who unsubs can resub. It's the unsub that will get notice.
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positrac Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:42 AM
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32. I did too recently because I'm angry the admin has failed to keep DADT and DOMA reform
in the works or even publicly discussed.

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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:10 PM
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46. I mentioned that as well, along with a few other things.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:51 AM
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34. huzzah!11!! and? are we supposed to be impressed or something?
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 09:51 AM by dionysus
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:51 AM
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35. Whatever makes you feel better. n/t
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:08 PM
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41. +1 K&R nt
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:20 PM
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47. Attention haters. Read this before posting. The standard of snark so far has left something to be
desired. Please think hard and try to come up with something more impressive than:

Aren't you special. nt
i bet he's thinking about quitting now.
Attention-seeking poutrage noted.
You've brought the administration to its knees
huzzah!11!! and? are we supposed to be impressed or something?


Come now, surely you can do better than that! Bring on the hate!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:32 PM
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48. Anyone who pulls the plug on their ObamaLove gets rough treatment around here,
so I wouldn't let it bother me, lib. I did the same thing a few days ago.

A lot of us are still working hard for the change we want even if we are telling the administration that we are fed up.

Good for you for your stance.


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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:50 AM
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55. Interesting. I thought it was just Rs who said you couldn't criticize the president, and then only
when it's an R president. Most surprising, however, is the venomous nature of the response from the few objectors. I thought it was just freepers who got that treatment.

So, I guess I already did let it bother me. }( But thanks for the reply. :)
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dolphindance Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 04:48 AM
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52. Obama is who we got. Take it or leave it. Best to work with him for 4 years. (n/t)
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:35 AM
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57. Did you mean to say, "America: Love it or Leave it?" I worked with the Obama campaign. I continue
to work with him, with actions both great and small, especially when he is working with the progressives who worked so hard to get him elected. At this time, I'm still hoping I'll be supporting President Obama into early 2017.

However, I, like most progressives, believe it's undemocratic to not speak up when we disagree with our leaders. So, I'll continue to do that as well.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:04 AM
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58. As Teddy Roosevelt said
" To announce that there should be no criticism of the President, or that we should stand by the President right or wrong, is not only servile and unpatriotic, it is morally treasonable to the American public."
Which word do you like best? Servile is the one I really think fits.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:22 AM
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59. Both words fit well
I am a little perplexed by the suggestion in some posts here since we elected President Obama we should now go quietly away and let his administration and our legislators do whatever they want without expressing any opinions. I think the difference between Democrats and Republicans is that we do not, generally, follow the leaders of our party unquestioningly down whatever path they go.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:29 AM
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60. It is just stupid
They think that in politics, with the opposition screaming hyperbole, filling the streets and airwaves, that we should sit quietly and await a pat on the head from on high? No, I think they stand with the baggers, their gig here is to shut us up so the baggers have the stage to themselves. That is the only reason to tell Democrats to shut up, so that Republicans can be heard. So they snark and shush for the GoP.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 05:51 AM
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53. Damn, too late to unrecommend
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:45 AM
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54. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:54 AM
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61. Thanks. We need our folks to keep up the pressure for single payer public option.
I just read something about what a master strategist BO is, and I hope he is getting ready to hoist the republicans by their own petards, esp. on healthcare.

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