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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:00 PM
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Anyone Else Getting The Wisdom Of Letting The Nutbags Blow Their Wad In Aug?
Just wondering how many get it.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:02 PM
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1. They do get hysterical don't they? nt
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:07 PM
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2. Oh, right. Chess.
Still not buying it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:13 PM
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4. More like... paintball? n/t
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:31 PM
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12. Paint ball!
BWAHWHAHWHHAAAAAAA
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:52 PM
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13. IOW You Don't Get It
Got it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:53 PM
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14. Okay... hang gliding? n/t
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:55 PM
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16. Politics
Ring a bell? Strategy, tactics. I know, simple minds find these concepts hard to grasp.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:57 PM
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17. Okay. I got it. Naked Twister! n/t
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:09 PM
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19. I'll Take "Posters Who Are Bitter Douchebags"
For 1000 Alex.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:21 PM
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24. You're right I'm sorry. Oh, wait... Badminton? n/t
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:06 PM
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25. Simple Minds
Simple games
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:13 PM
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22. It's becoming increasingly clear Obama doesn't understand politics.
:crazy:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:09 AM
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41. Clearly Obama won't win a single state in the general election.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:11 PM
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3. Ah, this was not planned
Sometimes things happen. There is no overridding plan, no chess moves involved. The situation evolved based on what was going on at the time.

It would have been much, much better if health care had passed earlier in the year.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:54 PM
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15. That's Your Opinion
Nah, no politicians ever strategize, unheard of.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:13 PM
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34. I agree
this so-called "strategy" theory is utter fucking nonsense
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:38 PM
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35. That is a conspiracy theory of a sort
and a nice, comforting one that sort of supposes that someone with near supernatural powers is in charge of things. It supposes someone with more than human attributes that can see much farther than anyone else. Maybe that comforts some folks. I find that scary as hell, but I can see where it would comfort a few people.

Human beings make mistakes. Everyone, from Presidents on down, makes mistakes. Some mistakes are fatal, some are not. Smart human beings, smart in the ways of human nature and in seizing opportunities and recovering from adversity can take second chances and do something.

But it is highly doubtful that we have supernatural beings around who "know" what is going to happen or play cosmic chess with the lives of so many people.

Isn't the other, more human explanation full of enough courage and wonder and interest for you? Why the need to explain something so human, like politics, with explanations that are "other" and imbue folks we elect with qualities that are not available to mere humans? Isn't that anti-democratic in a way? Doesn't it place power and ability outside of the reach of too many people? Isn't that thought damaging to the very Republic we all hold so dear?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:15 AM
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43. Because Politicians Never Strategize?
Really? You don't think they plan out how they are going to approach things and handle expected opposition? That's pretty naive to think that sort of planning doesn't happen.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:42 PM
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36. I agree
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:18 PM
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5. The sad thing is that a lot of nice elderly people are now terrified.
Today I was at my town Civic Center and it's in the same building as the Senior Citizens Ctr. I saw my neighbor Doris and her friends and they were very concerned. They don't have computers and cable so they really depended on those town meetings to help explain what HCR meant to them. They were upset because the screaming teabaggers stopped them from hearing information they needed to understand. I tried to reassure them but they are worried that their supplemental insurance will be changed and that they might have to change doctors.

They aren't against reform but because of these screaming fools they don't understand what reform is and what the different options are. Now that's what I think is unfair.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:23 PM
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28. Exactly. Them Dems were caught flat footed and ended up on the defensive.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:21 PM
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37. Unfortunately, a lot of these nice elderly are the most vulnerable...
When it comes to the MSM corporate propoganda machine. Many of them spend a lot of time in front of the tube getting bonbarded with the likes of Hannity and Beckkk telling them Obama is trying to take away their medicare and send them to the death panels. Many of the elderly grew up in the age of Morrow and Cronkite and implicitly believe what is said on the "news" is true.

Door-to-door salesman selling them fraudulent insurance, televangulist convincing them to send their retirement savings for a prayer cloth and Hannity telling them that our black president is trying to take away their medicare, all equivalent examples.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:18 PM
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6. I'll wait to see what impact the MadAsHellDoctors have
before drawing any conclusions.
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appamado amata padam Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:20 PM
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7. Let them blow their wad whenever-
the Dems need to get their sh*t together, and just move on without them.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:21 PM
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8. I think this is a preamble.......
wait until the immigration debate starts again in earnest.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:58 PM
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30. LOL...I can't wait to seem them screwing their heads into the pavement then !
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:25 PM
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9. Reid is starting to make noises like a real Senator now....
I'm hoping he's not all talk.

mark
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:28 PM
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10. I don't think it was planned, but I'm glad they rolled with it. effective--and VERY amusing. nt
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:30 PM
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11. Some of us got it up front.
The idiots are worn out, their crazed fear tactics have become tired, and Obama now has the stage to himself.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:07 PM
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18. A by-product of Obama's consensus-building strategy is
that all parties involved get enough time to expose themselves.

Worked like a charm during the primaries when Hillary was driven to expose her dark side for everyone with eyes to see. Same with the motley crew of fools and parasites that's left of the GOP.



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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:09 PM
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20. Oh I get it
It worked for the birthers too :)
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:11 PM
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21. Common sense.
Whether planned or not it would have been a waste of time to start the BIG PUSH to get something passed and then take off the month of August. They had no real choice but to wait.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:14 PM
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23. ROPE A GOP
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:12 PM
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26. I got it then and get it now....The Prez has pulled this tactic with
Hillary during the primary, and the Big John and Bible spice during the general 0-




He waits till the noise hits infantile and then steps up like the only adult in the room.

Fucking guy is a geeenius in this regard.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:22 PM
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27. It was a big mistake. Obama & the Dems let the wingnuts
rule the dialog. I spent a few years carefully educating the wingnut members and borderline members of my family & freinds about single-payer and health care reform. I then had to go back and re-educate them about the public option. In August my inbox became full with republican drivel from said family & friends totally freaking out. I manage to convince about 2/3rds of them to stay the course, the other third (about 15 people) told me to never email them about politics again.

What you don't get is that some people are willing to swing from reasonable to nutbag.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:52 PM
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29. Nope
Your personal anecdote notwithstanding. Obama controls the dialogue at the most crucial moment.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:01 PM
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32. And how long have you been pounding the pavement for reform?
I'm not the only one with this experience. Support for universal care/single-payer/public option has sunk from nearly 75% to just over 50%. In one frickin' month. Pelosi has stepped up her game but she is getting an earful from well-organized constituents.

As far as dialog goes, specifically, what dialog is Obama controlling?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:04 AM
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42. I Guess You Haven't Been Paying Attention
To what's been going on recently.
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dem mba Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:59 PM
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31. if anything that was a plan B
but yea, it seemed like a decent strategy. very Sun Tzu-ish of him.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:08 PM
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33. Good strategy! If your goal is to deliver mandated corporate insurance.
Well played, indeed!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:54 AM
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38. Too old, too out of shape and too easily distracted to hold onto the rage for more than six weeks.
Yeah, it's a shame they are so terrified, but that's not our fault. We asked 'em to change the channel and find another station, but they wouldn't listen.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:05 AM
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39. It is not tough to figure out
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 05:12 AM by quaker bill
It is the same play he ran over and over again to end up in the Whitehouse. His opponents only begin to catch on after a defeat or two, and generally by then it is too late.

In general, he does not respond until "the stupid, it burns", then he drops on it. The most glaring example was in the general. McCain's general antics were not enough, even the selection of Palin was not enough for him to pounce. By not challenging and rebutting up front, he gives apparent license to his opponents to go farther, and they generally oblige. At some point, an "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" moment happens, then he drops promptly and full bore. Choosing the right moment to start the argument can dictate the outcome. It always does, but it is unusual to find a politician that knows this and has a true sense of timing for it.

edited to add:

BTW, it is not Chess, or paintball, it is basketball or football. Lots of head fakes to draw the opponent toward over commitment.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:46 AM
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40. K&R for Rope a Dope
He don't have a pic of Muhammad Ali for nothing. ;)
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