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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:59 PM
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When is torture justified?
I thought torture was something that was never condoned, especially by progressives. I've noticed some crimes though that always seem to have people calling for torturing the perpetrator whether or not they've even been convicted. Such as:

- hurting / killing an animal
- hurting / killing a child

For what other crimes do you think torture is justified?

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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:00 PM
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1. It isn't. Ever.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:03 PM
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6. Correct.
:thumbsup:
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:00 PM
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2. Being Glenn Beck?
Even then, perhaps not.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:01 PM
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3. Well, back in 1980 my new girlfriend talked me into going to a Barry Manilow concert.
That was torture, but I considered it justified.
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ezgoingrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:05 PM
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7. You wore a citrus fruit covered
Copacabana hat, didn't you?

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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:25 PM
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32. No, but I did sulk through the whole thing.
I mean, the guy only has four songs - different names, a few different words, same chords, same songs. Somebody explain to me why he was even on the radio!

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:02 PM
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4. Spawn killers/campers in small games. I hate those fuckers! nt
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Twinguard Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:06 PM
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8. LOL
It sounds like Zombie needs to be a little more L33T. Don;t get dead, and you don't have to worry about spawn campers.

Just out of curiosity, what game?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:23 PM
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31. Battlefield: Bad Company for PS3. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:03 PM
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5. Never. Never. Never.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:07 PM
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9. I think it would only be
justified in the most extreme possible of situations, basically if someone absolutely, positively knows a nuke is about to go off in some downtown and a tight lipped someone knows where it is. That is the only time I think it could be considered justified given the extreme rareness of the situation. Of course, such an episode of "24" like situation, despite what the Bush torture apologists might say, is not happening every other weekend. So for 99.9 percent of the rest of time torture is not justified.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:09 PM
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10. Running a marathon.
It was torture.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:11 PM
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11. Never
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:13 PM
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13. Fuckin hippy.
Haven't you ever watched a Jack Ryan movie?

THE BOMB IS IN PLAY!!!!

:hide:
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Zix Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:13 PM
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12. When you're REALLY REALLY REALLY pissed off and NOONE messes with YOU.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 06:14 PM by Zix

Then you can torture whoever you like. Particularly if you're the good guys. Good guys can do what they want. It's only bad guys that aren't allowed to do bad things.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:13 PM
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14. When one of my grandchildren is in harm's way.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:19 PM
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17. That falls under the hurting / killing a child category
where typically many call for torture.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:31 PM
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20. I know---just had to put in my 2 cents worth :-)
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:34 PM
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23. Thanks!
:hi:
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Zix Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:21 PM
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30. You are sick.

Sick to the fucking core.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:14 PM
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15. When you're also willing to go to jail or face execution for committing the torture.
But that only counts if you turn yourself in and plead guilty.


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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:18 PM
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16. Torture is never acceptable. It cannot be justified.
And it is ineffective to boot.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:19 PM
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18. Never.
Even if it a terrorist group has bombs planted in every major city in the US.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:21 PM
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19. Many DUers believe torture is wrong - except when THEY want to do it.
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appamado amata padam Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:31 PM
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21. none, never eom
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:32 PM
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22. Torture is never justified
period
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:48 PM
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24. If a persons life is hanging in the balance and torture of the perpetrator -
- would bring them home safe, then I've no problem with it. Do what it takes to bring them home safe, IMO.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:52 PM
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25. +1
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:53 PM
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Never.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:53 PM
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26. Never. nt
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:53 PM
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27. Whenever capital punishment is justified.
(Never.)
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Indy Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:00 PM
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28. None.
Torture is never justified.

This should not be confused with causing injury or even death if it is necessary to stop a crime in progress.

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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:12 PM
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29. No, this is after a crime has already been committed
such as someone hurting your pet. Thanks.
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