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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:58 PM
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Are many of the uninsured really illegal immigrants?
A favorite argument of HCR opponents is that a significant number of the oft-quoted 47 million uninsured are illegal immigrants. Is there any credible source to support this claim? Or is it just another made-up "fact"?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:00 PM
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1. where's their link?
or source?
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MidwestRick Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:11 PM
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8. Here it is...
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:33 PM
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19. nope, not there
:shrug:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:02 PM
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2. Probably, but I doubt anyone know how many. People do get sick or hurt in
accidents of some kind. It doesn't matter where they were born. They're human!
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:02 PM
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3. Some people say......
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:07 PM
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6. Yep...
I'm still looking for a verifiable number of "illegals"...some say 6 million, others 12...seems like every group makes up a number to prove a point.

Deal is how can you give a number when you have no way of really identifying those who are UNDOCUMENTED...other than to pull numbers out of one's behind.

The upshot is "illegals" do use emergency rooms now...and the cost is passed on to everyone. That's not going to change as long as those who hire the "illegals" can get away with the cheap labor and not have to cover the taxes and other benefits. Wanna make healthcare real cheap? Tax those who hire "illegals" $3,000 per illegal hire with that money going into a pool to pay for healthcare.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:21 PM
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13. the number of illegals is down due to the recession
that much we do know.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:18 PM
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12. bingo
:toast:
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:04 PM
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4. Many illegals are uninsured, but they are NOT in the 47 million number.
They're not in the figures at all.

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rmp yellow Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:07 PM
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5. 9.7 million of the 45 mil total are immigrants, both legal and illegal
One estimate has the illegal number at 5.7 million.

So it's safe to say that roughly 10% of the uninsured are undocumented immigrants.



http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/the-real-uninsured /
http://www.nihcm.org/pdf/NIHCM-Uninsured-Final.pdf

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:22 PM
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14. Interesting. Both sites refer to Census data, and...
the CPS (and ACS, fwiw) do ask for country of origin, citizenship status, and whether or not you have health insurance so that part is fairly accurate. But, both the finding enclaves of immigrants to interview, and the methodology of calculating how many non-citizens are illegal present problems. I'm not sure I would entirely trust these numbers.

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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:38 PM
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16. Thanks for the links.
I assume most undocumented immigrants are uninsured, but I wasn't sure if they were included in the 47 million figure (which is likely even higher now).
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:08 PM
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7. Of course there are, but nobody knows the exact numbers...
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 01:08 PM by TreasonousBastard
just like nobody really knows how many undocumented immigrants are here, or how many of the total population are really uninsured.

But, we're already treating many of them in emergency rooms, so what's the point of asking?





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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:13 PM
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9. how many INSURED are undocumented immigants? seems like
it would only be fair for them to offset each other.




:hi:
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:16 PM
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10. Obama supports the claims...
Or did people not notice when he started saying "illegal immigrants will not be covered"...

He also dropped the number of uninsured in speech to 30 million...
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:16 PM
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11. It doesn't really matter.
When someone who is uninsured goes to the trauma center, he or she is treated. Most likely that person is unable to pay the bill. So in the end Society picks up the check.

The sooner we come to grips with the fact that Society ultimately pays, the sooner we can start talking about a Single-Payer system.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:33 PM
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15. +1
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:42 PM
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17. Simple solution. Make them "legal" and let them buy insurance.
Or, make them legal and let them join other taxpayers in paying for single-payer.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:42 PM
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18. Doesn't matter. Every person deserves healthcare.
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