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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:09 PM
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Playing With Matches

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Dave Neiwert has an excellent piece up at Crooks and Liars tonight rebutting a critique of his book and various and sundry other other things pertaining to eliminationism. In the post he excerpts this speech:

In this country we cherish and guard the right of free speech. We know we love it when we put up with people saying things we absolutely deplore. And we must always be willing to defend their right to say things we deplore to the ultimate degree. But we hear so many loud and angry voices in America today whose sole goal seems to be to try to keep some people as paranoid as possible and the rest of us all torn up and upset with each other. They spread hate. They leave the impression that, by their very words, that violence is acceptable. You ought to see -- I'm sure you are now seeing the reports of some things that are regularly said over the airwaves in America today.

Well, people like that who want to share our freedoms must know that their bitter words can have consequences and that freedom has endured in this country for more than two centuries because it was coupled with an enormous sense of responsibility on the part of the American people.

If we are to have freedom to speak, freedom to assemble, and, yes, the freedom to bear arms, we must have responsibility as well. And to those of us who do not agree with the purveyors of hatred and division, with the promoters of paranoia, I remind you that we have freedom of speech, too, and we have responsibilities, too. And some of us have not discharged our responsibilities. It is time we all stood up and spoke against that kind of reckless speech and behavior.

If they insist on being irresponsible with our common liberties, then we must be all the more responsible with our liberties. When they talk of hatred, we must stand against them. When they talk of violence, we must stand against them. When they say things that are irresponsible, that may have egregious consequences, we must call them on it. The exercise of their freedom of speech makes our silence all the more unforgivable. So exercise yours, my fellow Americans. Our country, our future, our way of life is at stake.


That was President Bill Clinton after Oklahoma City. The right whines and drools about how that speech was some sort of call for government censorship, but it was no such thing. He was simply pointing out that decent people have a responsibility to call violent, hate filled rhetoric what it is.

He was right. This isn't about civility. In fact, too many people are far too civil about this. We have a faction in American politics that is once again driving its followers into such hysteria that there is every likelihood that we will see this again:






That didn't come out of nowhere.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:58 PM
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1. No comment? What's up with that? nt
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:07 PM
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2. Damnit! Crooks & Liars is offline.
Good piece (as usual) from Digby.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:45 PM
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3. I see a contradiction there
I am not sure if that is Digby's comment or Neiwerts or yours.

Clinton: "If they insist on being irresponsible with our common liberties, then we must be all the more responsible with our liberties. When they talk of hatred, we must stand against them. When they talk of violence, we must stand against them. When they say things that are irresponsible, that may have egregious consequences, we must call them on it. The exercise of their freedom of speech makes our silence all the more unforgivable. So exercise yours, my fellow Americans. Our country, our future, our way of life is at stake."


That was President Bill Clinton after Oklahoma City. The right whines and drools about how that speech was some sort of call for government censorship, but it was no such thing. He was simply pointing out that decent people have a responsibility to call violent, hate filled rhetoric what it is.

He was right. This isn't about civility. In fact, too many people are far too civil about this. We have a faction in American politics that is once again driving its followers into such hysteria that there is every likelihood that we will see this again:"


"Too many people are far too civil"??? :wtf: That sounds like a call to hatred and violence to me.

It seems like that person is reading Clinton to say "When they talk of hatred (of us) we must answer with hatred (of them). When they talk of violence (against us), we must talk of violence (against them). When they say things that are irresponsible (about us) then we must say things that are irresponsible (about them).

Too much of what we talk about is our own hatred, violence and irresponsibility. I think it is irresponsible to scoff at civility. You can stand against hatred without using hatred of your own.
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