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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:50 AM
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Who Is Afraid of Sibel Edmonds? The November 1st issue of The American Conservative Now Online.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 07:52 AM by mmonk
Sibel Edmonds has a story to tell. She went to work as a Turkish and Farsi translator for the FBI five days after 9/11. Part of her job was to translate and transcribe recordings of conversations between suspected Turkish intelligence agents and their American contacts. She was fired from the FBI in April 2002 after she raised concerns that one of the translators in her section was a member of a Turkish organization that was under investigation for bribing senior government officials and members of Congress, drug trafficking, illegal weapons sales, money laundering, and nuclear proliferation. She appealed her termination, but was more alarmed that no effort was being made to address the corruption that she had been monitoring.

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But on Aug. 8, she was finally able to testify under oath in a court case filed in Ohio and agreed to an interview with The American Conservative based on that testimony. What follows is her own account of what some consider the most incredible tale of corruption and influence peddling in recent times. As Sibel herself puts it, If this were written up as a novel, no one would believe it.

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SIBEL EDMONDS: During my work with the FBI, one of the major operational files that I was transcribing and translating started in late 1996 and continued until 2002, when I left the Bureau. Because the FBI had had no Turkish translators, these files were archived, but were considered to be very important operations. As part of the background, I was briefed about why these operations had been initiated and who the targets were.

Grossman became a person of interest early on in the investigative file while he was the U.S. ambassador to Turkey <1994-97>, when he became personally involved with operatives both from the Turkish government and from suspected criminal groups. He also had suspicious contact with a number of official and non-official Israelis. Grossman was removed from Turkey short of tour during a scandal referred to as Susurluk by the media. It involved a number of high-level criminals as well as senior army and intelligence officers with whom he had been in contact.

http://amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006 /

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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:59 AM
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1. American Conservative has discovered Sibel Edmonds?
My heart! My heart! Jesus, I'm comin' to join you!
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:16 AM
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2. They couldn't resist that lesbian Dem
I had a feeling that would confuse the rw.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:13 PM
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23. wtf,...
,...incredible,...

I doubt there is any confusion, now, HUH! :freak:
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:19 PM
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25. What did I say??
You really should listen to her testimony,
it's good stuff.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:17 AM
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3. Philip Giraldi has always been informed by the particulars of her case.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:14 AM
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42. We'll both go, if the MSM will actually report
on this. If this story gets half of the media attention it
deserves then Americans can use it, if they will, to get a
lot of legislation passed. Publicly financed elections would
be a great place to start. Hopefully prosecutions will also
follow, Feith and Perle as well as Marc Grossman should be
prosecuted (along with many others) for Treason at least.
This story should cause a complete overhaul of Congress and
its rules. That includes some impeachments. Even the
progressive that is involved.
Personally, I think this is grounds for a peaceful (hard in a
police state) revolution. Actually, our constitution demands
it. Also, now we know why so many bush decisions have stood
and what role "Rahm" plays in this administration.
We must hold President Obama's feet to the fire and force him
to represent us and not the wealthy/connected, obviously we
have to do the same to our Congress and all Representatives
of "the people." This story makes Watergate look
like a sideshow. It proves that our government and our
security are compromised.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:20 AM
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4. Let's make this thing fly this time!
kcik
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:23 AM
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5. You've got the right idea.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:03 AM
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6. Though I spend 90% of my political posting time here,
my diaries at Dkos are received better (just a personal observation, especially when dealing with this subject). I do hope people will take the time to read the article and disseminate it. It's been a long hard road for her to get to this point. And still, the msm is mum and some well known bloggers on the left have decided to defer on all things Sibel and have become apologists to the silence on these issues except, of course, Brad.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:09 AM
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8. Hey, mmonk, do you have any insight as to why leftie bloggers
are deferring on Sibel's revelations?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:21 AM
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9. I suspect some, like the mainstream media, may have been
told to leave it alone or they may lose access to some that give them information or quotes.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:31 AM
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11. BTW, I'm a fan of Sick For Profit. If you are on facebook,
you can see that on my wall.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:56 AM
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13. Excellent! Have you gotten any comments from your FB friends about it? n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:01 AM
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14. Not yet. It's only a mention on my wall.
I will share a link on it to generate more attention soon.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:19 AM
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35. mmonk, I totally agree
I have been pushing everyone I know and come into contact
with, to read Sibel Edmonds testimony on bradblog.com. It is
the most amazing proof of how fucked up our politics and
politicians are. America has no reasonable choice rather than
publicly finance our elections if we want to take greed and
money out of the equation. It will also force our politicians
to represent us instead of corporations. It is ridiculous when
you realize that most of our representatives join Congress,
relatively middle class. Within a short amount of time, they
are millionaires and richer. If we have any hope of saving
our country, we must take greed out of the equation. Either
that or let our country complete its metamorphosis into
Fascism. I am not talking about our president as much as our
Congress.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:40 AM
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47. Well said.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:49 AM
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37. My google alert on "Sibel Edmonds" has been returning more
and more responses, and not all of them from Armenian publications, lately.

I think corpomedia will be unable to ignore this forever. The question is when, and under what cirumstances, will they decide to let it fly. Since there are both Dems & Repugs implicated, I suspect they are waiting for some point where it will best serve Corporate interests.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:54 AM
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48. Yes, it seemed to just be Armenian Weekly for a long time.
Maybe it will gain more traction.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:05 AM
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7. Recommended.
Thanks for posting this.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:23 AM
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10. You're welcome, of course.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:57 AM
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16. re-recommended
k and r
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:23 PM
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18. Can always use those as well.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:48 AM
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12. K&R
This is important.
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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:55 AM
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15. She's not a big fan of Obama, that's why they like the story
EDMONDS: Well, even during Obamas presidential campaign, I did not buy into his slogan of change being promoted by the media and, unfortunately, by the nave blogosphere. First of all, Obamas record as a senator, short as it was, spoke clearly. For all those changes that he was promising, he had done nothing. In fact, he had taken the opposite position, whether it was regarding the NSAs wiretapping or the issue of national-security whistleblowers. We whistleblowers had written to his Senate office. He never responded, even though he was on the relevant committees.

As soon as Obama became president, he showed us that the State Secrets Privilege was going to continue to be a tool of choice. Its an arcane executive privilege to cover up wrongdoingin many cases, criminal activities. And the Obama administration has not only defended using the State Secrets Privilege, it has been trying to take it even further than the previous terrible administration by maintaining that the U.S. government has sovereign immunity. This is Obamas change: his administration seems to think it doesnt even have to invoke state secrets as our leaders are emperors who possess this sovereign immunity. This is not the kind of language that anybody in a democracy would use.

The other thing I noticed is how Chicago, with its culture of political corruption, is central to the new administration. When I saw that Obamas choice of chief of staff was Rahm Emanuel, knowing his relationship with Mayor Richard Daley and with the Hastert crowd, I knew we were not going to see positive changes. Changes possibly, but changes for the worse. It was no coincidence that the Turkish criminal entitys operation centered on Chicago.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:21 PM
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17. Not meaning to shoot you down or anything,
but Giraldi I believe voted for Obama over McCain. Sibel's opinions were from an informed perspective on the issue through observations. The story carries its own weight.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:56 PM
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19. K&R...

wish I hadn't read that about the "Turkish criminal entity's operation centered in Chicago". No wonder so many lefty journalists won't touch this.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:59 AM
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40. Sibel has mentioned the Chicago connection on several occasions.
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 07:37 AM by leveymg
Anyone know the identity of the "Turkish criminal entity"? Is it connected with this person Sibel mentions: "The central figure in this scandal was Abdullah Catli. In 1989, while most wanted by Interpol, he came to the U.S., was granted residency, and settled in Chicago, where he continued to conduct his operations until 1996."

There was the Chicago-Saudi nexus through the bin Laden-bin Mahfooz-Muslim Brotherhood (al-Baraka Bank, National Commercial Bank of SA) connection there through Yassin al-Kadhi (al-Qadi), who was the US moneyman and Director of Global Diamond Resources. He also had connections with Saudi charities, (Blessed Relief, al-Haramain, Literacy Institute) that funded al-Qaeda and other militant Islamist groups around the world.

That nexus has long been the focus of FBI and Fitzgerald's interest. The corruption of Hastert and other GOP Congressman, and the Grossman cabal at State, and then there is the Bush family Arbusto-First Republic Bank of Houston-Carlyle Group bribery and fraud cases, seems to have happened in spite of all the wiretaps. A lot of dirty Middle East money seems to flow through Chicago, San Diego and Houston.

No wonder nobody in the corporate media wants to talk about this. It implicates their bosses. Who do you think owns Citibank, NewsCorp, Viacom, etc., anyway?
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Selena Harris Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:26 AM
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49. Saudis buy into NASDAQ
No objection to Mideast stakes in Carlyle, Nasdaq?


Sep 21, 2007 ... will buy 20% of Carlyle Group, valuing it at $20 billion. ... Arm and arm with the saudis,giving a plane ride to bin laden's family ...
www.bloggingbuyouts.com/.../no-objection-to-mideast-sta... - Cached - Similar__________________________

Now,wasn't Bernie Madoff the head of NASDAQ ,also? Ofcourse, this transaction was BEFORE he did his mea culpa...


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Selena Harris Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:48 AM
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50. Ebb and flow of $$$$
"A lot of dirty Middle East money seems to flow through Chicago, San Diego and Houston."

Isn't it interesting that these are all port cities? And even MORE interesting that the Saudis wanted to buy the US ports a while back?

But then the public outrage quelled the deal and AIG bought the port deal,instead.

Maybe it isn't just money flowing in or out of those ports.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:59 PM
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53. Abdullah Catli was a "Gray Wolves veteren"...
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 05:48 PM by AntiFascist
http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-59-the-turki... /

I wonder how well-connected someone like Chicago-based Talat Othman is.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 05:19 AM
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54. Othman connected to BCCI, Abdullah Bakhsh, Harken Energy, G.H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Gulf War
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 06:15 AM by leveymg
Re: Turkish espionage-linked "Chicago criminal entity" investigated by Sibel Edmond's FBI national security translation unit. Reference to Talat Othman, long-time Bush family benefactor and BCCI figure?

Also, note the names of the Bush family retainers and allies Sibel names: James Baker III, Brent Scowcroft. They pop up over and over again in connection with their dealings with bin Laden family members and other Saudi eminences and dealmakers over the years.

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From Mother Jones, "Harken Energy And Insider Trading"
by Stephen Pizzo, Mother Jones, September / October 1992

:

Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh, in turn, was a business associate of BCCI front man Ghaith Pharoan; he bought a chunk of Harken's stock and placed his representative, Talat Othman, on Harken Energy's board of directors.

Did Junior or any of the other Harken Energy executives trade on the Bush name in these speculative business deals? None of the principals will answer questions. But this much is known: after the Harken-Bahrain deal was settled, Othman was added to the list of fifteen Arabs who met with President George Bush and National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft three times in 1990 -- once just two days after Iraq invaded Kuwait -- while serving on Harken's board of directors.


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The Wall Street Journal - Page A1 Thomas Petzinger Jr., Peter Truell and Jill Abramson December 6, 1991

Two years ago, Talat Othman didn't have the president's ear. But since August 1990, the Palestinian-born Chicago investor has attended three White House meetings with President Bush to discuss Middle East policy.

Mr. Othman's political access coincides with the remarkable ascendance of a little Texas oil company on whose board he serves alongside George W. Bush, the president's oldest son. That company, Harken Energy Corp. -- though it had never drilled a single well overseas or in water -- recently won the rights to drill potentially lucrative offshore wildcat wells in a contract bestowed by the government of Bahrain.

When the Harken deal was announced in January 1990, it attracted only perfunctory notice. More recently, a number of publications have written about the case, raising questions about whether Bahrain might have chosen Harken in part because a presidential son sat on its board.

Now, George W. Bush is emerging as a principal adviser to his father. He was a lead player in the campaign to oust White House Chief of Staff John Sununu, and was cited by his father yesterday as among those who will play "key roles in the reelection effort." Thus, the issues surrounding the Harken deal take on fresh importance.

The White House says there is nothing questionable in this story of petroleum, politics and the presidential son. "There is no conflict of interest, or even the appearance of conflict, in these business arrangements," says spokesman Marlin Fitzwater. The matters had been reviewed and disclosed, he said, adding, "They are legitimate business undertakings."

Indeed, an investigation by this paper has not revealed evidence of wrongdoing or influence-peddling by George W. Bush or anyone else connected to Harken. Yet what does emerge is a complex pattern of personal and financial relationships behind Harken's sudden good fortune in the Middle East, raising the question of whether Bahrainis or others in the Middle East may have hoped to ingratiate themselves with the White House. Even more intriguing, there are numerous links among Harken, Bahrain and individuals close to the discredited Bank of Credit & Commerce International, a banking empire that used Mideast oil money to seek ties to political leaders in several countries.

The mosaic of BCCI connections surrounding Harken Energy may prove nothing more than how ubiquitous the rogue bank's ties were. But the number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken -- all since George W. Bush came on board -- likewise raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presi- dential son.

Among those relationships:

-- Sheik Khalifah bin-Salman al-Khalifah, the prime minister of Bahrain and a brother of the country's ruling emir, is identified on an October 1990 shareholder list as one of the 45 investors who own parent company BCCI Holdings (Luxembourg) S.A. The emir played a role in approving the Harken transaction.

-- Sheik Abdullah Bakhsh, a major Harken shareholder represented by Mr. Othman on the company's board, has been a co-investor in Saudi Arabia with alleged BCCI front man Ghaith Pharaon, and used Khalid bin-Mahfouz, until recently a principal BCCI shareholder, as his banker.

-- Harken's investment bankers helped BCCI gain its foothold in U.S. banking, and they also arranged for a Swiss bank to help rescue Harken from its debt woes in 1987 -- a Swiss bank that was at the time a joint-venture partner with BCCI.

-- Harken's consultant on the Bahrain deal counts Kamal Adham, a principal owner of BCCI, as a close friend and has had a long acquaintance with BCCI's Mr. Pharaon.

As a candidate and later in the White House, President Bush vowed to avoid even the appearance of any conflicts of interest in his administration. He instructed Secretary of State James Baker to cable all U.S. embassies to warn against the appearance of preferential treatment for Bush family investments overseas. The president has also moved to distance himself from the BCCI scandal, denouncing a former aide who recently went to work as a lawyer for BCCI's Mr. Adham, and who resigned in the ensuing furor.

George W. Bush, a managing partner of the Texas Rangers baseball team, declined to be interviewed. He did provide brief responses to written questions through an intermediary. Asked whether his involvement with the Dallas energy company lent it added credibility in the Arab world, he said to "ask the Bahrainis."

Every individual involved denies any influence peddling. Mr. Othman, George W. Bush and people involved in setting up the White House meetings on the Mideast say the president's son had nothing to do with Mr. Othman's being included among the Arab-Americans invited. "Not by any stretch of the imagination," Mr. Othman says.

And Harken investor Mr. Bakhsh rejects any suggestion that his links, past and present, to Messrs. Pharaon and binMahfouz mean he is in any way associated with BCCI. He says through his New York lawyer that he bought Harken stock (in 1987) because it looked like a good investment in a depressed industry.

Harken officials say they resent any suggestion their company somehow has ties to BCCI. They dismiss the circumstantial links to it as purely random and say they were shocked to learn of them. And, in fact, BCCI has proved adept at insinuating itself into centers of influence without the knowledge of those occupying the seats of power.

Harken says it won the Bahrain drilling deal purely on merit, through painstaking geological research and deft negotiating. It says Mr. Bush played no role in clinching the deal.

As for Bahrain, it says it chose tiny Harken partly because it didn't believe a large company would be so fully committed to the project. Other Harken officials, while denying that the Bush name played any specific role, acknowledge that having him on their board is an asset. "You'd have to be an idiot not to say it's impressive," says Alan Quasha, former Harken chairman and its second-largest shareholder. (The largest, with 24.5%, is a Harvard University investment fund.)

Mr. Bush's affiliation with Harken came at the end of a failed attempt to follow in the footsteps of his father. Like him, George W. launched a career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, and like his father he chose a Spanish name for it: Arbusto Energy Inc. "Arbusto" is Spanish for " bush"; the president's company was Zapata Petroleum Co.

Among George W.'s investors was James R. Bath, a Houston aircraft broker who had a flourishing aviation business with sheiks of the Saudi peninsula. Mr. Bath owned a piece of a Houston bank in which Mr. Pharaon, the BCCI front man, had been a controlling shareholder.

Mr. Bath also invested money in the U.S. for Mr. bin-Mahfouz, the Saudi banker who would go on to become a leading shareholder in BCCI. According to Mr. Bath's personal financial statements, produced in unrelated litigation, Mr. Bath invested $50,000 with George W. Bush, becoming a 5% partner in Arbusto. Mr. Bush says he was aware Mr. Bath was representing Saudi investors but that at the time "had never heard of BCCI."

In the oil-patch depression of the mid1980s, Mr. Bush's company merged with another concern, becoming Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. But its fortunes didn't improve. "We lost a lot of money in the oil business," says Philip Uzielli, a director of Spectrum 7 and friend of Mr. Bush . "We had a lot of dry wells. . . . Things were terrible. It was dreadful."

Finding a buyer wasn't easy. But in September 1986, Harken Energy swapped some of its own shares for the shares of Spectrum 7. Mr. Bush's cut was worth roughly $600,000. "Getting Harken stock at that point turned out to be very good," Mr. Uzielli recalls. In addition to becoming a Harken stockholder, Mr. Bush became a director and a consultant at $120,000 a year, later reduced to $50,000. (In mid-1990, Mr. Bush sold two-thirds of his Harken holdings at a significant profit; his remaining stake could still be worth millions if Harken hits a gusher in Bahrain.)

What looked like a dull investment soon looked brighter. The company needed a cash infusion, and Mr. Bush, whose consulting contract listed "equity placements" among his duties, was there when Harken officials got together with Little Rock's Stephens Inc., one of the largest U.S. investment banks outside of Wall Street.

He needed no introduction to Jackson Stephens, having known him since the 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign. Mr. Stephens's wife, Mary Anne, would soon become Arkansas co-chairman of the Bush for President campaign, while Mr. Stephens would donate $100,000 to Team 100, a GOP group that collected money for the campaign. Stephens Inc. kicked in another $100,000 to the Bush dinner committee last May.

But on that spring day in Little Rock, cash for Harken was the topic. Ultimately, Stephens put a rescue plan in motion: Union Bank of Switzerland, which ordinarily didn't invest in small U.S. firms, would make an exception, giving Harken $25 million in exchange for a stock interest.

At the time, UBS was a joint-venture partner with BCCI in a Geneva-based bank. And although Harken officials, including Messrs. Bush and Quasha, say they were unaware of it, Mr. Stephens was also well acquainted with BCCI. In fact, he suggested to BCCI in the late 1970s that it try to take over what is now Washington, D.C.'s biggest bank company, First American Bankshares Inc., according to court records produced in connection with the takeover attempt. Mr. Stephens was among the defendants in that suit, aimed at preventing a First American takeover by BCCI founder Agha Hasan Abedi, BCCI principal Kamal Adham and Abdullah Darwaish, chief financier for the royal family of Abu Dhabi. Mr. Stephens declined to be interviewed for this article.

The Harken financing Stephens was arranging hit a last-minute snag. To comply with U.S. banking laws, the deal assumed a complex new structure, and UBS decided to unload its shares to a third party at the first chance, according to Mr. Quasha. UBS says it planned to sell the shares all along. In any case, Stephens brought in a new patron: a real-estate magnate from Jedda, Saudi Arabia, who bought most of Union Bank's Harken shares. He was Abdullah Bakhsh.

Mr. Bakhsh for several years was chairman of Saudi Finance Co., a Luxembourg-based holding company for Swiss and French financial enterprises. He sold his interest in 1983. Who bought it isn't clear, but corporation records in Geneva show that by 1989 it had come partly under the control of the Gokal family, Pakistani shipping magnates who were early BCCI shareholders and who, according to BCCI's auditors, have failed to service more than $700 million of borrowings from BCCI.

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We know. And for that matter, so does everybody in Washington. Psyop Samurai Jul-22-08 01:20 AM #1
We know, but it's good to be reminded of the original reports, every now and then. K&R leveymg Jul-22-08 09:38 AM #2
Psyop Samurai (873 posts) Tue Jul-22-08 01:20 AM
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1. We know. And for that matter, so does everybody in Washington.
This democracy stuff is tricky business, isn't it?


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leveymg (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 09:38 AM
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2. We know, but it's good to be reminded of the original reports, every now and then. K&R
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 10:00 AM by leveymg
There's a wealth of detail here that's worth reconnecting with what we've learned since. For instance, it wasn't revealed until recent years that then CIA Director George H.W. Bush made a political deal in mid-1976 with the head of Saudi external intelligence, Prince Turki al-Faisal, to allow the Saudis to finance and run the sort of covert operations that the Democratic Congress banned after the Church Committee hearings. That deal with code-named, Safari Club. BCCI was the funding vehicle for that illegal operation. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/280

The result was a series of massive financial rip-offs, development of a Saudi paramilitary capability that became al-Qaeda, and the AQ Khan nuclear network, all of which the Bush wing of the CIA quietly facilitated. The Safari Club was also the start of Saudi penetration of the US political and banking systems, and huge support of the GOP.

What's useful is to look at the details of old news reports, since the corporate media used to actually report a lot of useful details. For instance, after he was fired as CIA Director by President Carter in early 1977, Bush was appointed Director of Houston-based First International Bankshares, owned in part by Joe Allbriton, with foreign offices in London and Luxembourg. BCCI had its major offices in the same locations. After Bush became VP, Allbriton sold out his shares in First Interbank to his crony, Jim Baker III, who owned Republic Bank. The merger went bankrupt a few years later, which became the largest financial bail-out in US history. That set the model for the S&L rip-off, which was also centered in Southwest bank chains in whch BCCI and the Bush clan had a vested interest. Allbriton went on to buy DC-based Riggs Bank, that along with UBS and other BCCI-linked banks, dispersed much of the funds held in diplomatic accounts by the Saudi Embassy in the name of the wife of Prince Bandar (an old friend of the Bush family) to support al-Qaeda cell members in the U.S. who attacked the US on 9/11. It's a small world, after all.

Thanks for posting that.
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In 1987, Stephens Inc. invested tens of millions to rescue Harken Energy, a struggling Texas oil company with George W. Bush on its board. Over the next three years, BCCI-linked investors and advisers are brought into Harken deals. One of them, Abdullah Bakhsh, purchases $10 million in shares of Stephens-dominated Worthen Bank.

Accused al-Qaeda financer, the Bin Mahfouz family, was part of the BCCI Harken "bailout" for George W. Bush. See, http://www.thedubyareport.com/bushbin.html


"Among W.'s consulting responsibilities were "equity placements." When Harken needed an infusion of cash, Bush turned to family friend and investment banker Jackson Stephens of Little Rock, AK. The firm of Stephens Inc. was at the time one of the largest investment banks outside Wall Street. (The Stephens family was also active in Republican circles: Jackson Stephens would later contribute at least $200,000 to the Bush for President campaign, and his wife would become the Arkansas campaign chair.) Stephens rescue plan was to obtain $25 million in investment capital from Union Bank of Switzerland -- a joint venture of BCCI and the Banque de Commerce et de Placements in Geneva. UBS did not normally invest in small U.S. companies, but it made an exception in this case.

As originally structured, the deal apparently did not comply with U.S. banking regulations, according to the Asian Wall Street Journal. In the course of restructuring the deal, UBS decided to sell its shares as soon as possible, and Stephens obligingly found a new buyer: Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh, a Saudi Arabian real-estate magnate. Bakhsh's representative is Talat Othman, a Palestinian born Chicago investor.

For several years Bakhsh was chairman of Saudi Finance Co., a holding company based in Luxembourg that operated French and Swiss financial enterprises. Bakhsh sold his interest in Saudi Finance Co. in 1983, although it is not clear to whom. By 1989 the firm was under partial control of the Gokal family of Pakistan -- shipping magnates who were BCCI shareholders. Bakhsh conducted business with the most prominent people in Saudi Arabia, reportedly including two oil ministers and members of the Saudi royal family. Among his notable co-investors was Ghaith Pharaon; Khalid bin Mahfouz was Bakhsh's banker. Bakhsh's stake in Harken was 17.6% in 1991, making him the third largest shareholder. The first, with 24.5%, is a Harvard University investment fund..."

Khalid Bin Mahfouz is also named in the 9-11 suit, as a defendent. So are Prince Turki, Prince Sultan, & the Saudi Binladen Group.

"Baker Botts, Sultans law firm, for example, still boasts former secretary of State James Baker as one of its senior partners. Its recent alumni include Robert Jordan, the former personal lawyer for President Bush who is now U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

An internal list of other law firms retained in the case, reviewed by NEWSWEEK , reads like a veritable whos who of the U.S. legal community. Among those firms and their Saudi clients are: Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering (Prince Mohammed al Faisal); Kellog, Huber, Hansen, Todd & Evans (Prince Turki al Faisal); Jones, Day (the Binladin Group); Ropes & Grey (Khaled bin Mahfouz); White & Case,(the Al-Rajhi Banking Group); King & Spalding (the Arab Bank and Youssef Nada); Akin Gump (Mohammed Hussein Al-Almoudi); and Fulbright & Jaworski (Nimir Petroleum.)"

James Baker, Prince Sultan, and the Bushes are all business partners in the Carlyle Group. Also "The financial assets of the Saudi Binladen Corporation (SBC) are also managed by the Carlyle Group."

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:33 PM
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59. I also note that Othman donated to the campaign of Jan Schakowsky....

this may not mean anything, but if I were Schakowsky I wouldn't try to dismiss this story so easily, especially since she is an important member of the Select Committee on Intelligence. After all, she was bold enough to call for the impeachment of Cheney.

Thanks for the detailed background info!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 02:52 PM
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60. I notice that your DU journal entry here....

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/347

mentions The Safari Club and cites an article mentioning The Gray Wolves, relating to oil pipeline deals.

"I knew that Roger had spent a lot of time in Turkey promoting his Armenian pipeline, and that he had met Prime Minister Ciller on at least one occasion. Our embassy in Ankara had reported that the Turkish ultranationalist group, the Gray Wolves, made the introduction."
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 04:44 AM
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64. That was Bob Baer.
Pick up his autobiography. I very informative read. I don't agree with everything he concludes, but I think he basically tells it as he sees it.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:33 AM
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36. Has the conservative magazine interview
already been released? Is there an on-line link to it or do we
have to buy the magazine (yuck)? Whatever it takes, I have to
read the interview...
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:48 AM
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39. Link to the interview is given in the OP
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:01 PM
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52. You might find this one interesting - Found in Translation
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/jan/28/00012 //

Her allegations are not insignificant. Edmonds claims that Marc Grossmanambassador to Turkey from 1994-97 and undersecretary of state for political affairs from 2001-05was a person of interest to the FBI and had his phone tapped by the Bureau in 2001 and 2002. In the third-highest position at State, Grossman wielded considerable power personally and within the Washington bureaucracy. He had access to classified information of the highest sensitivity from the CIA, NSA, and Pentagon, in addition to his own State Department. On one occasion, Grossman was reportedly recorded making arrangements to pick up a cash bribe of $15,000 from an ATC contact. The FBI also intercepted related phone conversations between the Turkish Embassy and the Pakistani Embassy that revealed sensitive U.S. government information was being sold to the highest bidder. Grossman, who emphatically denies Edmondss charges, is currently vice chairman of the Cohen Group, founded by Clinton defense secretary William Cohen, where he reportedly earns a seven-figure salary, much of it coming from representing Turkey.

After 9/11, Grossman reportedly intervened with the FBI to halt the interrogation of four Turkish and Pakistani operatives. According to Edmonds, Grossman was called by a Turkish contact who told him that the men had to be released before they told what they knew. Grossman said that he would take care of it and, per Edmonds, the men were released and allowed to leave the country.

Edmonds states that FBI phone taps from late 2001 reveal that Grossman tipped off his Turkish contact regarding the CIA weapons proliferation cover unit Brewster Jennings, which was being used by Valerie Plame, and that the Turk then informed the Pakistani intelligence service representative in Washington. It is to be assumed that the information was then passed on to the A.Q. Khan nuclear proliferation network.

Edmonds also claims that Grossman was instrumental in seeding Turkish and Israeli Ph.D. students into major American research labs by godfathering visas and enabling security clearances. She says that she reviewed transcripts in which the moles in the U.S. military and academic community involved in nuclear technology reportedly carried out several transactions involving the sale of nuclear material or information relating to nuclear programs every month, with Pakistan being a primary buyer. In the summer of 2000, the FBI recorded a meeting between a Turkish official and two Saudi businessmen in Detroit in which nuclear information stolen from an Air Force base in Alabama was offered: We have a package and were going to sell it for $250,000, the wiretap allegedly recorded. The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States, Edmonds told the Times.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:21 PM
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20. You know what they say
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:03 PM
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21. kcik
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:10 PM
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22. K&R
Very interesting read.
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KatherineEgan Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:34 PM
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24. This needs to
be put in the faces of TPTB. Heads need to roll.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:37 PM
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26. How about the reference to "pleural" bin Ladens, not Osama bin Laden
What a great relationship. They were compliant with all manner of CIA operations right up until 9/11. Where's Osama? Look at Langley Virginia.

Why do we have to wait to read this in Pat Buchanan's conservative magazine to understand about the State Dept and Pentagon having access to individual personnel files, illegally accessing information, then blackmailing who they could while using the Turks as middlemen to foreign agents?

K&R
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:50 PM
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27. KandR.
peace~
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:17 PM
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28. This kind of information can start revolutions against corrupt governments. nt
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:26 PM
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29. A lot to read and digest here - I will give it a second read tomorrow....far reaching implications

Interesting what she said about Obama

GIRALDI: And, of course, none of this has been investigated. What do you think the chances are that the Obama administration will try to end this criminal activity?

EDMONDS: Well, even during Obamas presidential campaign, I did not buy into his slogan of change being promoted by the media and, unfortunately, by the nave blogosphere. First of all, Obamas record as a senator, short as it was, spoke clearly. For all those changes that he was promising, he had done nothing. In fact, he had taken the opposite position, whether it was regarding the NSAs wiretapping or the issue of national-security whistleblowers. We whistleblowers had written to his Senate office. He never responded, even though he was on the relevant committees.

As soon as Obama became president, he showed us that the State Secrets Privilege was going to continue to be a tool of choice. Its an arcane executive privilege to cover up wrongdoingin many cases, criminal activities. And the Obama administration has not only defended using the State Secrets Privilege, it has been trying to take it even further than the previous terrible administration by maintaining that the U.S. government has sovereign immunity. This is Obamas change: his administration seems to think it doesnt even have to invoke state secrets as our leaders are emperors who possess this sovereign immunity. This is not the kind of language that anybody in a democracy would use.

The other thing I noticed is how Chicago, with its culture of political corruption, is central to the new administration. When I saw that Obamas choice of chief of staff was Rahm Emanuel, knowing his relationship with Mayor Richard Daley and with the Hastert crowd, I knew we were not going to see positive changes. Changes possibly, but changes for the worse. It was no coincidence that the Turkish criminal entitys operation centered on Chicago.

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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:41 AM
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31. 9/22/09: WH To Set Higher Bar For State Secrets
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Obama to Set Higher Bar For Keeping State Secrets
New Policy May Affect Wiretap, Torture Suits

By Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 23, 2009

The Obama administration will announce a new policy Wednesday making it much more difficult for the government to claim that it is protecting state secrets when it hides details of sensitive national security strategies such as rendition and warrantless eavesdropping, according to two senior Justice Department officials.

The new policy requires agencies, including the intelligence community and the military, to convince the attorney general and a team of Justice Department lawyers that the release of sensitive information would present significant harm to "national defense or foreign relations." In the past, the claim that state secrets were at risk could be invoked with the approval of one official and by meeting a lower standard of proof that disclosure would be harmful.

That claim was asserted dozens of times during the Bush administration, legal scholars said.

The shift could have a broad effect on many lawsuits, including those filed by alleged victims of torture and electronic surveillance. Authorities have frequently argued that judges should dismiss those cases at the outset to avoid the release of information that could compromise national security.

The heightened standard is designed in part to restore the confidence of Congress, civil liberties advocates and judges, who have criticized both the Bush White House and the Obama administration for excessive secrecy. The new policy will take effect Oct. 1 and has been endorsed by federal intelligence agencies, Justice Department sources said.

"What we're trying to do is . . . improve public confidence that this privilege is invoked very rarely and only when it's well supported," said a senior department official involved in the review, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the policy had not yet been unveiled. "By holding ourselves to this higher standard, we're in some way sending a message to the courts. We're not following a 'just trust us' approach."

The policy, however, is unlikely to change the administration's approach in two high-profile cases, including one in San Francisco filed by an Islamic charity whose lawyers claim they were subjected to illegal government wiretapping. That dispute, involving the al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, provoked an outcry from the American Civil Liberties Union and other public policy groups this year after the Obama Justice Department followed the Bush strategy and asserted "state secrets" arguments to try to stop the case.

The Obama administration will announce a new policy Wednesday making it much more difficult for the government to claim that it is protecting state secrets when it hides details of sensitive national security strategies such as rendition and warrantless eavesdropping, according to two senior Justice Department officials.

The new policy requires agencies, including the intelligence community and the military, to convince the attorney general and a team of Justice Department lawyers that the release of sensitive information would present significant harm to "national defense or foreign relations." In the past, the claim that state secrets were at risk could be invoked with the approval of one official and by meeting a lower standard of proof that disclosure would be harmful.

That claim was asserted dozens of times during the Bush administration, legal scholars said.

The shift could have a broad effect on many lawsuits, including those filed by alleged victims of torture and electronic surveillance. Authorities have frequently argued that judges should dismiss those cases at the outset to avoid the release of information that could compromise national security.

The heightened standard is designed in part to restore the confidence of Congress, civil liberties advocates and judges, who have criticized both the Bush White House and the Obama administration for excessive secrecy. The new policy will take effect Oct. 1 and has been endorsed by federal intelligence agencies, Justice Department sources said.

"What we're trying to do is . . . improve public confidence that this privilege is invoked very rarely and only when it's well supported," said a senior department official involved in the review, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the policy had not yet been unveiled. "By holding ourselves to this higher standard, we're in some way sending a message to the courts. We're not following a 'just trust us' approach."

The policy, however, is unlikely to change the administration's approach in two high-profile cases, including one in San Francisco filed by an Islamic charity whose lawyers claim they were subjected to illegal government wiretapping. That dispute, involving the al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, provoked an outcry from the American Civil Liberties Union and other public policy groups this year after the Obama Justice Department followed the Bush strategy and asserted "state secrets" arguments to try to stop the case.

The policy will also severely limit the government's ability to claim that the very subject of some lawsuits should trigger the state secrets privilege, except when necessary to protect against the risk of significant harm.

It is unclear how the new policy will affect pending legislation on Capitol Hill, where Democrats in the House and Senate Judiciary committees have introduced bills that would give judges more authority to sift through sensitive evidence when the government has invoked the legal privilege. The legislation would raise the standard for state secrets to instances when the release of material "would be reasonably likely to cause significant harm to the national defense or the diplomatic relations of the United States."

That standard closely tracks language in a memo drafted by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. laying out the new state secrets policy.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), a co-sponsor of one state secrets bill, said reforms are a "priority . . . to bring a greater degree of transparency and accountability to a process that has been shrouded in secrecy."

The Justice Department officials said Tuesday that their agency would give regular reports on their use of the state secrets privilege to oversight committees on Capitol Hill and that the attorney general would pass along "credible" allegations of wrongdoing by government agencies or officials to watchdogs at the appropriate agencies, even if the administration had decided to invoke the legal privilege in sensitive cases.

The new policy was welcomed by Gary Bass, executive director of OMB Watch, a nonprofit that promotes government transparency. He said it was "enormously consistent with open-government recommendations" from himself and other advocates.

Since February, a Justice Department task force of eight lawyers has been sifting through about a dozen pending cases in which state secrets arguments have been made.

So far, they have reversed course in only one lawsuit -- a bizarre case in federal court in the District in which a former agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration accuses the State Department and the CIA of installing listening devices in a coffee table in his home.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:53 AM
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38. Do you have this posted on Latest Breaking? It should be. . n/t
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Selena Harris Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:56 AM
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51. Chicago Mercantile Exchange
I'm surprised that the CME wasn't referred to. Go to the search engine of your choice and enter Chicago Mercantile Exchange and Goldman Sachs,or Chicago Mercantile Exchange and Rahm Emmanuel .

And ofcourse,let's not forget the extensive ties between Chicago Mercantile Exchange and China-but that's a whole other kettle o' fish.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:04 AM
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33. Talking about invading Iraq, 'FOUR MONTHS BEFORE 9/11'!
EDMONDS: The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz, and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish region. The three Defense Department officials said that would be more than they could agree to, but they continued daily communications to the ambassador and his defense attach in an attempt to convince them to help.

Meanwhile Scowcroft, who was also the chairman of the American Turkish Council, Baker, Richard Armitage, and Grossman began negotiating separately for a possible Turkish protectorate. Nothing was decided, and then 9/11 took place.


But the War in Iraq was sold to the American people BASED on 9/11! Why is the media ignoring this? This proof, assuming she has evidence to back up these claims, the war in Iraq was planned well before 9/11 as has been suspected. All they needed was an 'event of the magnitude of Pearl Harbor' to put their plans into action! And up to now, all claims that the war was planned in advance of 9/11 have been denied.

Where is Congress? Were they all being taped and black-mailed?

I have not read the entire article, but it seems to be very fair to me so far.

The problem is there is so much to absorb it almost needs to be broken down into segments to be able to focus on the significance of each claim.

Thank you for posting this ~ it is amazing the silence of the press, that no one in the US media has contacted Sybel according to Brad. They must all be scared to death of something because there is no other reason why this is not headlines in every major newspaper.

And Scowcroft, this puts his intense dislike for Ledeen into perspective, he wasn't really against the war, he just was against the way they were going about it.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:05 AM
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41. I agree. This is the real bombshell in the story. Neocons plotting the Iraq invasion pre-9/11.
All the events that follow sort of flow naturally from that.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:45 AM
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44. Another bombshell: the FBI folded the Turkish file in with the Israeli Embassy file. All connected.
GIRALDI: What kind of information was Grossman giving to foreign countries? Did he give assistance to foreign individuals penetrating U.S. government labs and defense installations as has been reported? Its also been reported that he was the conduit to a group of congressmen who become, in a sense, the targets to be recruited as agents of influence.

EDMONDS: Yes, thats correct. Grossman assisted his Turkish and Israeli contacts directly, and he also facilitated access to members of Congress who might be inclined to help for reasons of their own or could be bribed into cooperation. The top person obtaining classified information was Congressman Tom Lantos. A Lantos associate, Alan Makovsky worked very closely with Dr. Sabri Sayari in Georgetown University, who is widely believed to be a Turkish spy. Lantos would give Makovsky highly classified policy-related documents obtained during defense briefings for passage to Israel because Makovsky was also working for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

GIRALDI: Makovsky is now working for the Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy, a pro-Israeli think tank.

EDMONDS: Yes. Lantos was at the time probably the most outspoken supporter of Israel in Congress. AIPAC would take out the information from Lantos that was relevant to Israel, and they would give the rest of it to their Turkish associates. The Turks would go through the leftovers, take what they wanted, and then try to sell the rest. If there were something relevant to Pakistan, they would contact the ISI officer at the embassy and say, Weve got this and this, lets sit down and talk. And then they would sell it to the Pakistanis.


GIRALDI: ISIPakistani intelligencehas been linked to the Pakistani nuclear proliferation program as well as to al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

So the FBI was monitoring these connections going from a congressman to a congressmans assistant to a foreign individual who is connected with intelligence to other intelligence people who are located at different embassies in Washington. And all of this information is in an FBI file somewhere?

EDMONDS: Two sets of FBI files, but the AIPAC-related files and the Turkish files ended up converging in one. The FBI agents believed that they were looking at the same operation. It didnt start with AIPAC originally. It started with the Israeli Embassy. The original targets were intelligence officers under diplomatic cover in the Turkish Embassy and the Israeli Embassy. It was those contacts that led to the American Turkish Council and the Assembly of Turkish American Associations and then to AIPAC fronting for the Israelis. It moved forward from there.

GIRALDI: So the FBI was monitoring people from the Israeli Embassy and the Turkish Embassy and one, might presume, the Pakistani Embassy as well?

EDMONDS: They were the secondary target. They got leftovers from the Turks and Israelis. The FBI would intercept communications to try to identify who the diplomatic targets intelligence chief was, but then, in addition to that, there are individuals there, maybe the military attach, who had their own contacts who were operating independently of others in the embassy.


GIRALDI: So the network starts with a person like Grossman in the State Department providing information that enables Turkish and Israeli intelligence officers to have access to people in Congress, who then provide classified information that winds up in the foreign embassies?

EDMONDS: Absolutely. And we also had Pentagon officials doing the same thing. We were looking at Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. They had a list of individuals in the Pentagon broken down by access to certain types of information. Some of them would be policy related, some of them would be weapons-technology related, some of them would be nuclear-related. Perle and Feith would provide the names of those Americans, officials in the Pentagon, to Grossman, together with highly sensitive personal information: this person is a closet gay; this person has a chronic gambling issue; this person is an alcoholic. The files on the American targets would contain things like the size of their mortgages or whether they were going through divorces. One Air Force major I remember was going through a really nasty divorce and a child custody fight. They detailed all different kinds of vulnerabilities.

GIRALDI: So they had access to their personnel files and also their security files and were illegally accessing this kind of information to give to foreign agents who exploited the vulnerabilities of these people to recruit them as sources of information?

EDMONDS: Yes. Some of those individuals on the list were also working for the RAND Corporation. RAND ended up becoming one of the prime targets for these foreign agents.

GIRALDI: RAND does highly classified research for the U.S. government. So they were setting up these people for recruitment as agents or as agents of influence?

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 03:06 PM
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61. How is that a bombshell? It's been reported for years. n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:25 AM
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65. First time confirmed this plotting was taped by the FBI - that's a bombshell.
Means the tapes should still be on the shelf in some vault in the FBI Bldg. I'd love to hear them played in court.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 04:10 PM
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66. There is no confirmation of any such thing. n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:46 AM
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34. why was her gag order lifted? just to testify at a trial in ohio?
why? and who lifted the gag order?
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:22 AM
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43. K&R
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:59 AM
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45. Not a mystery
It's pretty clear why AmCon picked up this story.

Hint: Israel

I'm glad they picked up the story, but I don't think it will go anywhere, for the same reason.
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singingbiscuit Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:33 AM
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46. Wish I could recommend
but it's past the 24 hour cutoff time. Dammit!

Kick it all the way to the MSM - in their face.
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Czar One Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 07:17 AM
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55. I see
No mention of Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, et al. At least, not in the text itself. Just those dastardly (Muslim) Turks!

Why am I not surprised?

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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 07:24 AM
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56. C'mon people!
Where is your natural skepticism about Edmond's story? As I read her story it seems more questions pop up than answers. For example, who can really believe this bit,
"Because the FBI had had no Turkish translators, these files were archived."

I find it beyond belief that the FBI would have NO turkish translators until the arrival of Sibel Edmonds. That statemnet does not pass the smell test.
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think Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 08:36 AM
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57. She was GAGGED by BUSH under STATE SECRETS
You can knit pick with your disbelief over how many translators the FBI had but she was hired 5 days after 9/11 as they obviously didn't have enough Turkish translators. But you don't have a gag order put on you under the guise of state secrets unless someone is afraid the testimony you give will be damaging to the government......
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 08:51 AM
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58. My point is simply that as Edmond's allegations are being slowly revealed,
that a very healthy dose of skepticism is in order. It is important to remind folks that so far Edmond's has produced zero hard evidence about any of her public claims beyond her word. I am all for an investigation and the lifting of any gag order to get this out in the open for scrutiny. She could be telling the truth as far as I know, but her story as known today does have bits that do not make any sense whatsoever or are contradicted by other evidence.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 10:28 PM
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63. Yes, she surely meant 'insufficient', so only the most urgent documents were translated.
and the rest archived
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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 10:19 PM
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lefty369 Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 05:00 PM
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67. Just kooky konspiracy stuff.
Like Osama worked for the FBI and the government was behind it all.........PLEASE!!!
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