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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:45 AM
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Kirk Cameron's 'Origin Of Species' Plan: Ex-Actor To Distribute 50,000 Altered Darwin Books Read m
Kirk Cameron, best known for his role in the 1980s sitcom Growing Pains, now spends much of his time advocating for far-right Christian evangelical causes.

In a video posted recently to YouTube, Cameron lays out a plan to subvert 'Darwin Day' on November 22, 2009 -- a date marking the 150th anniversary of the publishing of Charles Darwin's "Origin of Species." Cameron says that he and like-minded activists plan to deliver 50,000 copies of an altered version of Darwin's book to students at dozens of U.S. universities.

Cameron explains that this "very special" edition of the "Origin of Species" will include an introduction explaining "Adolf Hitler's undeniable connection" to the theory of evolution, and highlighting "Darwin's racism" and "his disdain for women." Cameron's edition also exposes the "many hoaxes" of evolutionary theory, while presenting a "balanced view of Creationism."


Here: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/kirk-camerons-... >

ZOMGitsCriss response is pretty funny too. :rofl:
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:48 AM
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1. it's so sad.... when I was a kid i had such a crush on kirk cameron. uggh.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:30 PM
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45. I am not sure about the copyright on that book but if I was a member
of that family I would hoist his butt.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:50 AM
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2. They have been doing this for years
My bio-egineering friend has the copy of the creationist Textbook they sent to the John Hopkins PHD class.

Each year they get a new book filled with nonsense.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:51 AM
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3. Remember Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron's unintentionally hilarious youtube clip with the banana?
Just look up "atheist banana" or "ray comfort banana" on youtube.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:41 AM
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12. +1. "The banana is proof God exists because it is easy to hold."
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 07:44 AM by FSogol
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:23 PM
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41. the youtube comments are even funnier than the video
lol keyboard spraying funny.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:41 PM
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54. Dear God:
I don't want to tell you how to do your job, but I had a very hard time opening a cow for my dinner last night.

Signed,

A dissatisfied customer
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:53 PM
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42. Commercially cultivated bananas....ANY food cultivated by humans, for that matter,
Have evolved with human assistance to be better food products. The bananas at a Chiquita plantation are not the same as bananas found in the wild 6000 years ago.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:41 PM
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53. My penis is also proof that God exists
It is shaped like a banana and also easy to hold. God wants me to play with myself because he made my pecker in the shape of a banana. Behold God's beautiful creation!!
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:53 AM
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4. He also explains neanderthal skeletons as those of
all those people who lived so long in the bible. Dontcha know that if you live for hundreds of years your bones get thick and your eyebrow ridges become prominent because the bones continue to grow? There you have it.
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:55 AM
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5. "Disdain for women"?
Was it beyond what was normal for a Victorian male of his social status and education? 'Cause other than her Maj., disdain for women was a pretty normal thing in that time and place.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:20 AM
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10. I guess that justifies it.
:sarcasm:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:30 AM
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23. No, but it points out the sheer idiocy of acting as if it's scandalous. (nt)
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:30 AM
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27. you sure got wound up on that one eh?
I don't think she was either displaying idiocy or suggesting it was scandalous, she did appear to be laying a little blame at religions doorstep for it though.
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:30 AM
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24. Just sayin'
We are all products of our time and environment. Attitudes and opinions of Darwin--as well as anyone in the past--must be viewed in the context of their times and the knowledge and information that would have been available to the person.

I'm reading the PDF of the new introduction. Only about 8 pages in, and its hinting that 3 of Darwin's kids were cut down young by God to punish him.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:56 AM
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28. While what you say is of course true
organized religions have historically set the rules and a case could be made in I think that they have prevented more intelligent social norms from developing sooner.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:15 PM
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29. You guess that justifies what, exactly?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:20 PM
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30. Oh don't worry about it. nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:22 PM
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31. Don't worry about what, exactly?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:31 PM
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35. if you insist
I disagreed with some criticism here of the video reply to Cameron posted at the article. If you watch that video I think you would get it. I think the person that did the video reply did a fine job at it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:39 PM
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36. Who do you think criticized the video reply?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:50 PM
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37. never mind my mistake.
speed misreading.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:55 AM
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6. And to think the other kid was named "Boner."
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:48 AM
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18. I could never figure out how they got away with the name "Boner" on primetime.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 08:49 AM by TwilightGardener
In the '80s, no less.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:01 PM
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43. Richard "Boner" Stabone:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0462809 /

The actor, Andrew Koenig, is the son of Walter Koenig, who played Chekov.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:34 PM
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51. Didn't Boner Become Leader of the House Republicans?
No?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:57 AM
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7. A "balanced view" that contains a tinkering sky ghost?
If religion makes you a more spiritually aware and fulfilled person, do what you like, be what you want to be and all that.

Uh, but leave science and evolution the hell out of that party . . . savvy? The two have ZILCH to do with each other, Mike Seaver.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:43 PM
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55. A "tinkling" sky ghost?
That explains rain to a creationist!! Oh sorry, you said "tinkering"!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:15 PM
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58. Yeah . . . it's quite alright for THEIR "Jesus" to rain on the poor.
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:02 AM
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8. Well, gosh, Kirk
are you saying Darwin's book has evolved over the last 150 years to the version you are handing out? :evilgrin:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:16 AM
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9. That youtube video response was f'in great!
loved it.

Hope it goes totally viral.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:24 AM
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11. It must be a sad life to be so insecure in your beliefs that you feel
so threatened.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:43 AM
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13. OK, university DUers. Get as many of these as you can.
Try saying, "Gosh, all the people in my Bible study would love one of these. Could I have ten? or more?" Thank them profusely and then proceed directly to the nearest recycle bin.
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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:43 PM
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49. Why throw away perfectly good copies of "Origin of Species"?
Just rip out the 50 pages and then give them away to friends and family. :D
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:19 AM
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14. 50,000 copies?
Just think how many food banks could be stocked with the money it takes to print those books. How wasteful.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:40 AM
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15. Kirk is bananas...
pun intended.

Sid
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:40 AM
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16. Quick, no one issue an unaltered version of the bible
highlighting the parts used by hitler, racists, and misogynists.


I'm serious, don't do that.

Really, don't.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:47 AM
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17. Why couldn't he just be a typical child star and get into drugs
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:04 AM
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21. Well, religion is kind of like a drug
certainly mind altering with pervasive long term effects.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:02 AM
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26. Unfortunately Betty Ford doesn't have a wing for it.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 10:02 AM by Stevenmarc
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:13 PM
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50. Kind of like a drug?
It's the DEADLIEST drug.
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poiuytsister Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:49 PM
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57. "the opiate of the masses" n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:52 AM
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19. What a nut......
Fundamentalism is like an infectious disease..... :crazy:
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:55 AM
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20. Crocoduck!
Guys, don't you get it? Cameron has already proven that evolution is false, because there has never been a crocoduck! What an elegant refutation of a century of evolutionary science!

http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Crocoduck






(Do I really need to label this as sarcasm? Okay, then: :sarcasm:
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:28 AM
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22. This is a "we are too stupid to understand Evolution...
so we are just going to crayon the pages."

"Adolf Hitler's undeniable connection" to the theory of evolution"... :eyes: The Origin Of Species was written long before Hitler showed up and his view on Evolution was fucked up.

Kirk Cameron is an annoying hack.

PS: Dawkins new book is out "The Greatest Show on Earth"..get a copy!!
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:42 AM
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25. Here is a simple truth: Evolution has, is and well continue to happen....
whether Cameron and his friends like it or not.


Tikki
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:22 PM
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32. "Disdain for women" = right-wing codespeak for "gay"
It has to be that, because American evangelicals hardly have room to complain about someone else being sexist. They've been trying to subtly plant the Darwin Was Gay seed for a looooong time now. As if being gay would somehow make him less credible as a thinker and a scientist.

Fundies, meet Alan Turing--a gay scientist and thinker who saved ALL of our asses once upon a time.

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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:26 PM
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59. He was hot. I'd do him.
This isn't hot guys.com? :blush:
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:27 PM
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33. In other news, Cindy Brady will be lecturing on interplanetary travel at Yale.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:50 PM
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38. and Donny Osmond will host a fractal symposium at MIT. (nt)
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:35 PM
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52. Tina Yothers Will Be Lecturing on Cold Fusion
Wow, TV show kids have really done well for themselves.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:28 PM
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34. This guy is a growing pain
:eyes:
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:55 PM
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39. duzy!
:rofl:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:22 PM
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40. A comment at Pharyngula, refuting Darwin's supposed racism, is well worth a look:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:12 PM
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44. Some nice debunking at: Darwin's Connection to Nazi Eugenics Exposed (Primate Diaries)
... Creationists are fond of laying the blame for Nazi eugenics on Charles Darwin ... The main connections that all three authors make between Darwinism and eugenics is that Francis Galton, an early proponent of eugenics, was Darwin's cousin and that Ernst Haeckel, a German biologist who championed evolution and maintained a long correspondence with the English naturalist, was a primary source for Nazi eugenic policies ... The Galton connection is quite obviously baseless, for surely no one can be held responsible for something their cousin promotes ... The second claim, about Haeckel's foundation for Nazi race biology, is simply wrong ... The reality is that, while one German academic named Heinz Brcher did argue that Haeckel's Darwinism meshed with Hitler's racial attitudes, this view was immediately quashed by the guardians of party doctrine. Gnther Hecht, official representative for the National Socialist Party's Department of Race-Politics (Rassenpolitischen Amt der NSDAP), insisted in the Reich's official scientific journal: The party and its representatives must not only reject a part of the Haeckelian conception--other parts of it have occasionally been advanced--but, more generally, every internal party dispute that involves the particulars of research and the teachings of Haeckel must cease. The reason for this rejection may have been the fact that Haeckel stood out among his contemporaries for his expression of Judenfreundschaft (friendliness toward Jews) or because of his criticisms of the military during the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-1871. A more important reason is probably the fact that Nazi racial views had no connection with specific evolutionary concepts like transmutation of species or the animal origins of human beings ...

http://scienceblogs.com/primatediaries/2009/07/darwins_...

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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:04 PM
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46. Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not bear false witness"?
Amazing how those who supposedly revere the Bible can't seem to follow it's simplest concepts. Hypocrites.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:33 PM
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48. You don't have to pay attention to the Big Ten if you're working directly for the Big Man.
It's that new kind of Xianity and the ends justify the means.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:44 PM
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56. Big Ten, ain't that a college football conference?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:08 PM
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47. No, he's best known for this...
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:35 PM
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60. Lots of things have a racist past
It is well known that Darwin would be considered a racist by today's standards. It wasn't considered racist back then, they were just trying to figure out how people got to be the way they were.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:12 AM
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61. Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:39 PM
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62. Little Kirky's just pissed because Alex Keaton was in a better show than him.
... is a better actor, and got the role of Marty McFly.

I can just imagine him in bed at night... "God! I hate Michael J Fox!"
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:42 PM
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63. I would really love to run into Kirk face to face...
But I'm the type who invites Jehovas Witnesses into my home for a nice long talk about conversion... Of them.. ;)
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