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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:01 PM
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The "eliminationist" rhetoric from the right wing does not stop. Bishop Jackson at Values Summit.
The term comes from David Neiwert's book called "The Eliminationists".

The full title from the Progressive Book Club is The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right

McCain and Palin shortly began ratcheting back their rhetoric, especially after polls showed that such tactics were losing rather than gaining votes. But the fuse had been lit: threats and intimidating behavior continued to be reported around the country. In Ohio, a barn covered with pro-Obama signs was vandalized twice, the first time with racial epithets. In Sacramento, vandals scrawled White Power, KKK and Nigger over the front of a large homemade Obama display. In Idaho Falls, a large Obama sign had a Nazi swastika painted on it. In Tennessee, two neo-Nazi skinheads were arrested for plotting to assassinate Obama; according to federal agents, they planned to kill 102 black people in a murderous spree that would culminate in a suicidal attack on Obama.

As of the date of this writing, nothing indicated that the elections outcome would put this fuse out. Indeed, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported that it had recorded more than 200 hate-related incidents sparked by Obamas election in the weeks immediately following.

These seemingly disparate incidentsthe shooting in Kentucky and the increase of hateful speech in the campaignreceived prominent coverage in the national news, but few noted the deep and significant connection between them. After all, what does yet another random lone wolf shooting spree in a public venue have to do with election-year rhetoric on the presidential campaign trail?

What connects them is that they are both manifestations of one of the most troubling aspects of modern American politics: the impulse to demonize our political adversaries, and the consequences of that demonization on our discourse and our body politic.....But more particularly, both episodes reflect a trend that has manifested itself with increasing intensity in the past decade: the positing of elimination as the solution to political disagreement. Rather than engaging in a dialogue over political and cultural issues, one side simply dehumanizes its opponents and suggests, and at times demands, their excision. This tendency is almost singularly peculiar to the American Right.


If you don't like them, get rid of them. Get them out of your sight. Eliminate them.

At the recent "Values Voters Summit" which really has more to do with hate than with values....Bishop Harry Jackson mentioned some others who should be eliminated....liberals and gays in particular.

From Right Wing Watch:

Harry Jackson reached some new personal lows of offensive rhetoric.

1) Gays and liberal Christians are enemies of God who deserve to be struck down. Jackson cited verses from Psalm 68 saying let God arise, let his enemies be scattered.let the wicked perish at the presence of God. He described God striking dead a person who wasnt following instructions about how the Ark of the Covenant should be moved. Who are the wicked? Gays, certainly, but also folk who are Christians in name only but are just asking to be struck dead by God for not following His ways.




How dare he, a man of God supposedly, call for the elimination of those who don't agree with him? How did we get to this point in our country. How did we get to the point that this guy who pretends to be a spokesperson for American Americans says they are in an "ideological plantation."?

2) Jackson said repeatedly of people who dont support his agenda that there are people in our culture who are easily led. Do you remember the outcry from the Religious Right when the Washington Post said the same thing about them? But nobody batted an eye when Jackson suggested that African Americans who dont support him are in an ideological plantation and easily led to believe the worst character assassination about white conservative evangelicals. Thats why, he said, right-wing activists need to tone down their attacks on Obama. In the fight to keep same-sex couples from getting married, he said, he cant win if my own black brothers see me as a traitor.


From Neiwert at Alternet...how we got to this point.

Eliminationist Rhetoric Poisons Our Discourse

terrorists. But it doesn't take a Dalai Lama to recognize that this kind of dehumanization is part of what brought us to this pass in the first place. And it only takes a historian to point out where it is likely to take us.

This is, in fact, classic eliminationist rhetoric: speech designed not merely to dehumanize and demonize other human beings, but to create the conditions for, and ultimately provide permission for, the actual elimination of those elements from society. As Kalkaino points out, Ferguson's description of Middle Eastern terrorists is nearly indistinguishable from from Nazi prewar propaganda about the "filthy Jewish vermin."

Of course, there is an essential difference there as well: the Jews in reality posed no threat to Germany whatsoever, and so any danger they represented was concocted almost entirely in the imaginations of anti-Semites. Middle Eastern terrorists, of course, are very much a real threat, though almost certainly not the dire existential threat that the Fergusons of the world make them out to be.

But Nazi Germany hardly provided the only example of eliminationist rhetoric and its toxic effects -- the American historical landscape is littered with them as well: the genocide of Native Americans, the lynching era, "sundown towns," and perhaps most tellingly in this case, the campaign against Asian immigrants and its culmination in the incarceration of 120,000 Japanese Americans during World War II.


Manzanar...seldom spoken of now...but it should never be allowed to happen again in this country.

Neiwert is quoted at American Prospect as to how this movement has developed so strongly, and how the hate is part of our mainstream now.

From the American Prospect:

How hate groups went mainstream

We can guess who facilitated their rise.

But Neiwert argues that these tall tales are not confined to (or spread by) the fringe. "Transmitters" like Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing media figures circulate such conspiracy theories to a wider audience. The result is a feedback loop of paranoia and hysteria, as the transmitters "inject extremist ideas into the mainstream and bring the two sectors closer together."

He offers the example of the Patriot movement, which thrived in the Northwest in the 1990s. According to Neiwert, the movement "provided most of the early audience for The Clinton Chronicles," a conspiracy documentary about Bill Clinton's alleged involvement in the death of his aide Vincent Foster as well as drug-running and murder in Arkansas. Although easily debunked, the wild accusations bounced around in the right's outer reaches long enough "that the claims obtained currency in the mainstream." That symbiotic relationship between shadowy fringe and conservative mainstream has only deepened in recent years, thanks to the rise of the Internet, a more entrenched right-wing echo chamber, and an even more rigidly ideological GOP caucus.

"The Eliminationists" attempts a grand theory of the right-wing mentality. "What motivates this kind of talk and behavior is called eliminationism: a politics and culture that shuns dialogue and the democratic exchange of ideas in favor of the pursuit of outright elimination of the opposing side, either through suppression, exile, and ejection, or extermination," he writes. Calling eliminationism "a signature trait of fascism," Neiwert offers a deft and scrupulous synthesis of academic research on fascism, which has been drained of its meaning from both liberal overuse (as Neiwert admits) and conservative up-is-downism.

Neiwert's commentary is depressingly timely. While paranoid and anti-intellectual rhetoric has long defined conservative media, the latest strain seems to be louder, meaner, and more pervasive. Where once the kind of hate talk Neiwert describes was confined to the fringes, it's now part of daily programming at Fox News.


The scary part is that much of it arises from groups that are supposedly Christian in background. They are using it to push a narrow agenda. I doubt some of them meant for it to be that way...but they allowed their religion to be co-opted by radicals.

Neiwert had a great post up at Crooks and Liars in June. He called it Eliminationism on Parade

He speaks of Coulter, Joe the Plumber, and a military chaplains' leader wish for the deaths of four senators. The chaplain wished for "four US Senators should be be "arrested, quickly tried and hanged!!!"...

He also featured the words of Anne Coulter.

I'm not justifying it, but I understand when you take democracy away from people, some of them will react violently. The total number of deaths attributable to Roe were seven abortion clinic workers and 40 million unborn babies.

... I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?

Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one.


and Joe the Plumber.

Wurzelbacher has a reputation for being a blunt, politically incorrect speaker. Referring to Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., more than once, Wurzelbacher asked, "Why hasn't he been strung up?




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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:12 PM
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1. Eliminationism is all about shutting down debate and the dehumanizing
of people you oppose. It is dangerous and a trademark of fascism. If not curtailed, it leads to worsening sporatic acts of violence. There needs to be, at some point, real legal challenges to political lies and hate speech, especially under the cover of news. With a down economy, it is a toxic mix.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:26 PM
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2. And it is not being curtailed here because people fear Beck and Limbaugh.
They fear the attacks from the vicious right wing bloggers also.

So we let it go on because no one knows how to stop it.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:34 PM
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4. At some point, we are going to have to fight it.
I no longer have an Obama sticker on my car because twice, someone tried to run me off the road while giving me the finger. My truck was vandalized by either a knife or razor blade. I have received phoned in threats on my answering machine for some of the things I have written that made the paper. I've had damn enough of it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:41 PM
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24. The only sticker we still have on the car
is the DFA bumper sticker. It's safe because most folks around here don't know the group. The Obama stickers had to go just before the election.

Yes, eventually we will have to fight.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:26 PM
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3. Hate is not a family value.
An oldie but goodie.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:34 PM
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5. You are so right.
Not sure how it got this bad.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:37 PM
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6. The thing is--it won't stop because it is an unspoken part of the platform.
Maybe it was always a sub rosa part of the GOP furniture--maintaining that the options open to the formally oppressed in civil rights legislation didn't actually become a boring obligation on the part of the (*ahem*) middle class who would actually experience increased competition for jobs or would have to face their "franchise" being smaller because it was shared--in other words, openly segregationist, race-baiting bullshit. Or the old sport of Red-baiting--of more recent decades more honored in the breach than the observance, but back with a malarial temperature.

I'd like to think it was always just rhetoric before--the cynical manipulation of a paranoid and gullible base by hucksters like McCarthy and Atwater. They gin up interest regardless of facts or sense, and mostly just to cover the spread for their "hometeam" ideologues in lection years.


But the eliminationism seems less like a tool now, than a guiding purpose for some. The eliminationist insistence on purity even within the whited sepulchre of the GOP might backfire, splitting the conservative "movement" (which hasn't actually been going anywhere for awhile) between the "true believers" and the "reality-based". But in the meanwhile, the people who have any kind of pulpit still encourage a state of mind that isn't patriotic or even Democratic--just angry and hateful. And that can even get people killed.

The only thing I could offer to any of them is--there just isn't profit in hate. If people were called to hate, for example, gays instead of African Americans, let's say--then they would hate one group just a bit more than the other, but they would still find hate acceptable. But that's all. The better thing to spread is love and understanding. Like the old Native American proverb says, have people walk a mile in the other man's shoes. And maybe talk of lynching and violence would be heard no more, when that talk no longer finds a pulpit.

The worst thin going about any of this is that the hater feels rewarded--happy in hating the "right" people. It's as true of Stephen Anderson's haters as it would be true of the Phelpses. It's a nice gift from the recently departed Irv Kristol, who knew only that liberals were always ideologically wrong, and considered his epiphany that that was all he needed to know.

Too many on the right only think they are "cool" if they subscribe to the gangster omerta of Reagan--"never speak ill of another Republican". So instead, they talk trash. To libs.

It's lame, but I think that is how it goes.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:52 PM
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7. "the cynical manipulation of a paranoid and gullible base by hucksters"
Good point, and it has gotten out of control.

Good post.
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absyntheminded Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:12 AM
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14. Well put....
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:59 PM
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8. I called up his office and told them they were a hate group. The guy who answered nonchalantly
said, "Okay." No, "Sorry you feel that way." or "No we aren't , we're just speaking the Biblical truth." it was simply "Okay."

This was after he, the DC City Asshole Marion Barry, and assorted other pillars of the community stood out in the street talking stupid hateful shit about gay people.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:01 AM
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9. People need to read up on how hate radio caused the Rwandan Genocide.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:51 AM
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10. I can believe that, though I had not realized it.
hate spread that way can accomplish a lot of bad things.

The Republican Noise Machine is still going strong.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:03 PM
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19. Absolutely
Several media personalities from Rwanda have been convicted of war crimes,crimes against the peace and crimes against humanity by the International Criminal Court for their part in inciting the Rwandan genocide.

A media figure from NAZI Germany.Julius Striecher, was also convicted during the Nuremberg Tribunals for poisioning the German peoples minds.
Josef Goebbels,Nazi Germanys riechminister of propoganda would most likely have been tried,convicted and executed if he had not taken the cowards way out by committing suicide.

Someday I hope to see rush,beck,o'liar and murdoch,along with the board of directors for the major media conglomerates,face such justice for their crimes against humanity.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 01:57 AM
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11. This line from Jackson is disturbing.
"Jackson, who borrowed a line from fellow Religious Right figure Rick Scarborough to say, Im not a Republican or a Democrat, Im a Christocrat, ended his speech by leading the crowd in chanting
Let God arise and his enemies be scattered.


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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:02 AM
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12. And THAT would be the difference between us and them.
They want us dead, we want them to do better and be better people. So confusing.

Will the real Christian please stand up?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:06 AM
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13. Good point about real Christianity.
They are intolerant.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:17 AM
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15. Real Christians stand up all the time.
However, since liberals don't own much media, no one hears us.

It's kind of like the tree falling in the lonesome woods.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:50 PM
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17. That's very true.
The media gives too much attention to the hate-filled ones.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:48 PM
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21. The real Christians who stand up are just as much a target as the rest of us. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 12:17 PM
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16. Bishop Jackson says God is stirring up the tea party movement.
"The tea party movement, on the other hand, is a movement that God is in the background stirring up.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/harry-jackson-rel...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:58 PM
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18. You can read his Eliminationism posts (extended series) at his blog...
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/12/eliminationism-in-...

That's where I learned about it a few years back.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:46 PM
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20. I read a lot of that also.
I am glad he pulled a lot together into the book. I got it through the Progressive Book Club.

I have just read portions of it, while I am reading portions of The Family at the same time.

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:38 PM
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22. The Bishop has forgotten what we learned in Bible School: Jesus Christ is supposedly
the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Christians are supposed to follow what Jesus preached, not what Jeremiah or Moses or Elijah or the psalmists said.

What ever happened to the lesson about the Samaritan? What ever happened to forgiving someone seven times seven times? What ever happened to turn the other cheek?

Like Pat Roberts, John Hagee, Creflo Dollar, Jerry Falwell, and hundreds of others, this Bishop is just another egotistical bastard spouting off whatever he feels like to justify anything he wants to justify. And the sheeple nod, shout and sing AMEN.



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jasi2006 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:48 PM
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25. "..And a new commandment I give you, that ye love one another..." nt
Jesus...is reported to have said this. Was he just talking about his disciples or was it meant for all Christians? At any rate, Jackson and his ilk may as well have lived with Moses. Under the "law" even would not measure up.
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RadicalGeek Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:24 AM
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23. It's all the same thing
The need for an "Outgroup".
Almost any right-wing movement needs one. To the "Value Voters" it's women, gays, other religions and those who don't share their flavor of Christianity (UCC, etc).

Also-madfloridian, does the name TAFKAD or Dralion_20001 ring a bell?
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 06:39 PM
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26. Someone should remind Mr. Jackson that one can find a Bible verse to support just about anything.
Like, say, the one about "the children of Ham" (blacks) being inferior to "the children of Japhet" (whites), which was used by many bigots over the centuries to enslave Mr. Jackson's ancestors.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:41 PM
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27. Thanks madfloridian!
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 07:43 PM by tnlefty
I have an appt. tomorrow evening with a college student for an essay, persuasive essays is the title of the assignment, and this is more ammo. for the discussion of Dem values vs. the right wing's so-called values. :hi:

edit for clarification: it's the student's essay assignment, and I'm the most outspoken Dem woman that she knows, so she thought I'd be persuasive, lol.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:54 PM
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29.  Now that sounds interesting.
Our values are by far the best, but they have the machine to get their message of bigotry out.

We have got to work on that.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:14 PM
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31. I'm looking forward to it!
I think it will be an interesting discussion, as she is a young woman and about 6 months older than my oldest, and I hope that the discussion will help her with her essay.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:42 PM
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28. These people are just like the Taliban
The only difference is they read a different book and 8,000 miles.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:05 PM
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30. Exactly.
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RadicalGeek Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 06:45 AM
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32. True
I've always found it odd that while we're fighting "Religious Extremists" in Iraq, etc so much of our own country is under control of "Religious Extremists"
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Tsar_Bomba Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 11:36 AM
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33. Funny, I feel the same way about them.
Christian conservative better prey they don't run into me. I have no problem with showing them the save hate they show me. I would return it a thousand fold.
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