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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:39 PM
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Treat drug addiction, but don't always use prisons as the treatment.
I don't know if it's the same everywhere in the country as it is in PA., but one of our biggest growth industries is building prisons to house people for drug use and dealing in drugs. So many people are in for non-violent drug offenses that the prisons are over crowded which necessitates the need for more prisons. It's a never ending cycle that the taxpayers are subsidizing.

This is a LTTE written by the CEO of a treatment center which makes sense but will probably go unheeded.



The governor and the state Legislature have reduced the amount of funding for drug and alcohol treatment year after year. There have been proposals for another 24 percent cut in state treatment dollars this year. This is despite the fact that hundreds of state and federal research studies have shown that on average, taxpayers save about $7 in costs for every $1 spent on drug treatment.

Treatment, not incarceration, gives us our best return on tax dollars, and yet our solution to the problem remains punitive, and the Department of Corrections budget grows dramatically each year, squeezing out money available for education, the elderly and for the real and permanent change that drug-addicted citizens can make if they have a chance at treatment.

Blair County is rationing care today because there is very little treatment money available.

If you have a drug problem and have taken the critical step to ask for help, chances are you will be put on a waiting list.

Read more of the LTTE here. http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/522762.html?nav=737

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:41 PM
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1. Here's a thought: decriminalize, provide treatment for those who want it,
and then leave people alone to make their choices (land of the free, etc. etc.)? :shrug:
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:56 PM
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4. decriminalize, tax, educate and warn, treatment on demand.
but that would require a rational society.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:41 PM
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2. The most popular illegal drug is nowhere near as addictive as alcohol..
Does everyone who drinks a beer or a glass of wine or even a cocktail need to be treated for alcoholism?

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:45 PM
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3. Alcohol is not addictive; nicotine is.
Alcoholics are such due to genetic reasons.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:56 PM
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5. Eh, you can *die* from alcohol withdrawal..
Alcohol is most certainly addictive..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

Alcoholism is a term with multiple and sometimes conflicting definitions. In common and historic usage, alcoholism refers to any condition that results in the continued consumption of alcoholic beverages, despite health problems and negative social consequences. Modern medical definitions<1> describe alcoholism as a disease and addiction which results in a persistent use of alcohol despite negative consequences. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, alcoholism, also referred to as dipsomania<2> described a preoccupation with, or compulsion toward the consumption of, alcohol and/or an impaired ability to recognize the negative effects of excessive alcohol consumption.

Although not all of these definitions specify current and on-going use of alcohol as a qualifier for alcoholism, some do, as well as remarking on the long-term effects of consistent, heavy alcohol use, including dependence and symptoms of withdrawal.

While the ingestion of alcohol is, by definition, necessary to develop alcoholism, the use of alcohol does not predict the development of alcoholism. The quantity, frequency and regularity of alcohol consumption required to develop alcoholism varies greatly from person to person. In addition, although the biological mechanisms underpinning alcoholism are uncertain, some risk factors, including social environment, stress,<3> emotional health, genetic predisposition, age, and gender have been identified. For example, those who consume alcohol at an early age, by age 16 or younger, are at a higher risk of alcohol dependence or abuse. Also, studies indicate that the proportion of men with alcohol dependence is higher than the proportion of women, 7% and 2.5% respectively, although women are more vulnerable to long-term consequences of alcoholism. Around 90% of adults in United States consume alcohol, and more than 700,000 of them are treated daily for alcoholism.<4> Professor David Zaridze, who led the international research team, calculated that alcohol had killed three million Russians since 1987.

...

Alcohol withdrawal differs significantly from most other drugs in that it can be directly fatal. For example it is extremely rare for heroin withdrawal to be fatal. When people die from heroin or cocaine withdrawal they typically have serious underlying health problems which are made worse by the strain of acute withdrawal. An alcoholic, however, who has no serious health issues, has a significant risk of dying from the direct effects of withdrawal if it is not properly managed.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:25 PM
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10. See my Post # 9.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:07 PM
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7. Don't know where you get you facts
But they are not correct! Alcohol is a "drug" just like any of others, and it's the oldest know drug, and most widely abused drug! Anyone, and I am one, who has stopped using alcohol and cleans their system of the "drug" knows how bad withdrawal is! I have been clean and sober now for almost 24 years, I have a degree in chemical dependancy counseling, I have see how people get "addicted" to alcohol, and many do not have a history of alcoholism in their family! If you want to "pretend" that alcohol is not addictive it's your choice, but you are wrong!
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:24 PM
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9. I said NOTHING about withdrawal, which I agree is an extremely difficult problem.
Where I get my facts:

Addiction is a biogenic (i.e., physical) disease that ultimately affects every area of the victim's life.

The dysfunction of the genetically altered central nervous system causes the erratic behavior of the alcoholic.

Research into the neurochemical basis of addiction points to the dysfunction of one or more of six major neurotransmitter types as being the basis of the symptoms of addiction, withdrawal, and drug cravings. Studies have shown strong genetic predisposition to some types of chemical dependency regardless of social environment.


Addiction is an eminently treatable disease that can be arrested like diabetes or hypertension, but not “cured.”

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/DiseaseOfAddictionSynopsis.htm

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/DrMilamPositionPapers.htm



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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:31 PM
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13. yes and how does that show that alcohol is not addictive?
If this data is buried in your links, then perhaps you ought to exhume it.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:43 PM
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14. MOST people
would NEVER become addicted to alcohol (as distinguished from cigarettes/nicotine, which are/is inherently addictive, I believe.)

Concerning alcohol, those with the genetic predisposition, discussed in my links, will likely become addicted to alcohol with what might be considered normal, social introduction to it.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:57 PM
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15. Ok, but that is a claim quite different from "alcohol is not addictive".
Your new claim appears to be alcohol is not as addictive as nicotine. I even question that assertion. You seem to be conflating physical dependency and addiction on one side of your equation, and then separating them on the other. ('Nicotine is addictive' conflates physical dependency and addiction while 'Alcohol is not addictive' separates them.)

Alcohol will cause physical dependency in anyone who uses it frequently enough. It will only cause addiction, in the sense that addiction is separate from physical dependency, in a small minority of those people. Nicotine causes physical dependency again in anyone who uses it frequently enough, with the frequency of dosage required to cause dependency being alarmingly short compared to almost all other substances. However when one defines addiction as separate from physical dependency, as in:

"Addiction refers to a complex behavioral syndrome including abnormal importance of the drug or activity; use of the drug or activity to an extreme and often harmful degree; continued use or activity despite negative consequences; psychological defenses of denial, rationalization, minimization and projection of blame; and personality changes and life disruption as a consequence of use or activity."

It is arguable that nicotine does not, or only partially qualifies as addictive, while even when only a minority, and a small minority of alcohol users exhibit addiction, they most certainly do exhibit exactly the qualities in the definition above.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:08 PM
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16. My claim is that alcohol is not inherently addictive,
while nicotine (and probably other things) are. Physical dependency on alcohol only occurs in those who are genetically predisposed for such. I would NEVER become physically dependent on alcohol; someone close to me DID, as soon as he began drinking.

'Research into the neurochemical basis of addiction points to the dysfunction of one or more of six major neurotransmitter types as being the basis of the symptoms of addiction, withdrawal, and drug cravings. Studies have shown strong genetic predisposition to some types of chemical dependency regardless of social environment.'

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/DiseaseOfAddictionSynopsis.htm
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:28 PM
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18. But that is true of just about all drugs..
Some people are easily addicted to some drugs while others are not.

I've seen people that can put down cigarettes with very little effort after decades of heavy smoking, my father was one such, quit cold turkey after about thirty years of several packs of non filtered cigs per day and it never really bothered him. Other people suffer agonies trying to quit cigarettes.

Have you consumed enough alcohol to become physically dependent? If not then you really don't know whether you would be physically dependent or not.

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:22 PM
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21. The physical dependency is a given: consume enough with
enough frequency and you will develop a physical dependency to alcohol or any of the other similar sedative-hypnotic drugs, and have medical issues of varying severity on withdrawal.

Addiction has been separated out of its prior meaning of 'physical dependence' to include all the other common traits of addiction without requiring physical dependence.

"Ethyl alcohol, like other sedative-hypnotic drugs in its class, can cause physical dependence in anyone who consumes enough of it for a sufficient period of time. The withdrawal syndrome from ethyl alcohol is identical to that for other drugs in the same class such as Valium, Librium, Xanax, Ativan, phenobarbital and other barbiturates(Nembutal, Seconal, Amytal &etc.). Individuals who have been regularly exposed to any of these drugs may develop the following physical symptoms upon abrupt discontinuation or drastic reduction of dosage:

Anxiety, restlessness, irritability and insomnia

Elevated blood pressure, temperature, pulse and respiration

Confusion, hypervigilance and disorientation

Visual and auditory hallucinations, acute psychotic behavior

Grand mal seizures

Infrequently, sudden death

Physical dependence and withdrawal symptoms from sedative-hypnotic drugs such as alcohol will develop in anyone exposed to the drug long enough, regularly enough and in a sufficient dosage if intake is suddenly curtailed."
http://www.bma-wellness.com/addictions/Alcohol.html

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:29 PM
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22. You've got it backwards.
If I were alcoholic, I WOULD be physically dependent. I am NOT either. I have consumed enough through my life to know that I will NEVER be physically dependent.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:34 PM
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23. The poster at #21 immediately above you disagrees..
I do too, you consume enough alcohol for a long enough time and you will become physically dependent.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:36 PM
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25. Please read documents which I've cited above.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:53 PM
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26. I already did look at them..
I'm not impressed by someone trying to sell an expensive "treatment" program.

Alcohol is both physically and psychologically addictive, there is a large genetic variation in people's susceptibility to such addiction but physical addiction at least is a given if sufficient alcohol is consumed over a long enough period.

There is indeed a large genetic variation in the susceptibility to addiction to most, if not all, drugs, not just alcohol.

It is an open and shut case that cannabis is far less addictive than alcohol, which was my original point.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:31 PM
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30. Unfortunately you have failed thoroughly to examine the varied aspects of
I provide the following to show what I have learned about alcohol and alcoholism. About 30 years ago, a very good friend attended a 2-week in-hospital alcohol-abuse program. The program's chief resource for helping patients was Under the Influence, by Dr. James Milam. I studied along with my friend, and since that time the wisdom of Dr. Milam's studies has been confirmed to me.

Under The Influence

A Guide to the Myths and Realities of Alcoholism

Dr. James R. Milam and Katherine Ketcham

Selected excerpts from the book address many long-held myths about alcoholism and its treatment. Also included are definitions of alcohol treatment terminology.

The Myth and the Reality
Separating myth from reality is not an easy task. Myth is, in fact, reality for many people; to suggest another reality exists is to turn their world upside down. But if the truth about alcoholism is ever to be understood, the myths must be attacked and destroyed. Only facts can destroy myths; and facts are the backbone of this book.

Myth: Alcohol is predominantly a sedative or depressant drug.

Reality: Alcohol’s pharmacological effects change with the amount drunk. In small quantities, alcohol is a stimulant. In large quantities, alcohol acts as a sedative. In all amounts, however, alcohol provides a rich and potent source of calories and energy.

Myth: Alcohol has the same chemical and physiological effect on everyone who drinks.

Reality: Alcohol, like every other food we take into our bodies, affects different people in different ways.

Myth: Alcohol is an addictive drug, and everyone who drinks long and hard enough will become addicted.

Reality: Alcohol is selectively addictive drug; it is addictive for only a minority of its users, namely, alcoholics. Most people can drink occasionally, daily, even heavily, without becoming addicted to alcohol. Others (alcoholics) will become addicted no matter how much they drink.

Myth: Alcohol is harmful and poisonous to the alcoholic.

Reality: Alcohol is a normalizing agent and the best medicine for the pain it creates, giving the alcoholic energy, stimulation, and relief from the pain of withdrawal. Its harmful and poisonous aftereffects are most evident when the alcoholic stops drinking.

Myth: Addiction to alcohol is often psychological.

Reality: Addiction to alcohol is primarily physiological. Alcoholics become addicted because their bodies are physiologically incapable of processing alcohol normally.

Myth: People become alcoholics because they have psychological or emotional problems which they try to relieve by drinking.

Reality: Alcoholics have the same psychological and emotional problems as everyone else before they start drinking. These problems are aggravated, however, by their addiction to alcohol. Alcoholism undermines and weakens the alcoholic’s ability to cope with the normal problems of living. Furthermore, the alcoholic’s emotions become inflamed both when he drinks excessively and when he stops drinking. Thus, when he is drinking, and when he is abstinent, he will feel angry, fearful, and depressed in exaggerated degrees.

Myth: All sorts of social problems—marriage problems, a death in the family, job stress—may cause alcoholism.

Reality: As with psychological and emotional problems, alcoholics experience all the social pressures everyone else does, but their ability to cope is undermined by the disease and the problems get worse.

Myth: When the alcoholic is drinking, he reveals his true personality.

Reality: Alcohol’s effect on the brain causes severe psychological and emotional distortions of the normal personality. Sobriety reveals the alcoholic’s true personality.

Myth: The fact that alcoholics often continue to be depressed, anxious, irritable, and unhappy after they stop drinking is evidence that their disease is caused by psychological problems.

Reality: Alcoholics who continue to be depressed, anxious, irritable, and unhappy after they stop drinking are actually suffering from a phenomenon called "the protracted withdrawal syndrome." The physical damage caused by years of excessive drinking has not been completely reversed; they are, in fact, still sick and in need of more effective therapy.

Myth: If people would only drink responsibly, they would not become alcoholics.

Reality: Many responsible drinkers become alcoholics. Then, because it is the nature of the disease (not the person), they begin to drink irresponsibly.

Myth: An alcoholic has to want help to be helped.

Reality: Most drinking alcoholics do not want to be helped. They are sick, unable to think rationally, and incapable of giving up alcohol by themselves. Most recovered alcoholics were forced into treatment against their will. Self-motivation usually occurs during treatment, not before.

Myth: Some alcoholics can learn to drink normally and can continue to drink with no ill effects as long as they limit the amount.

Reality: Alcoholics can never safely return to drinking because drinking in any amount will sooner or later reactivate their addiction.

Myth: Psychotherapy can help many alcoholics achieve sobriety through self-understanding.

Reality: Psychotherapy diverts attention from the physical causes of the disease, compounds the alcoholic’s guilt and shame, and aggravates rather than alleviates his problems.

Myth: Craving for alcohol can be offset by eating high-sugar foods.

Reality: Foods with a high sugar content will increase the alcoholic’s depression, irritability, and tension and intensify his desire for a drink to relieve these symptoms.

Myth: If alcoholics eat three balanced meals a day, their nutritional problems will eventually correct themselves.

Reality: Alcoholic’s nutritional needs are only partially met by a balanced diet. They also need vitamin and mineral supplements to correct any deficiencies and to maintain nutritional balances.

Myth: Tranquilizers and sedatives are sometimes useful in treating alcoholics.

Reality: Tranquilizers and sedatives are useful only during the acute withdrawal period. Beyond that, these substitute drugs are destructive and, in many cases, deadly for alcoholics.

Under The Influence

A Guide to the Myths and Realities of Alcoholism

Dr. James R. Milam and Katherine Ketcham

Selected excerpts from the book address many long-held myths about alcoholism and its treatment. Also included are definitions of alcohol treatment terminology.

The Myth and the Reality
Separating myth from reality is not an easy task. Myth is, in fact, reality for many people; to suggest another reality exists is to turn their world upside down. But if the truth about alcoholism is ever to be understood, the myths must be attacked and destroyed. Only facts can destroy myths; and facts are the backbone of this book.

Myth: Alcohol is predominantly a sedative or depressant drug.

Reality: Alcohol’s pharmacological effects change with the amount drunk. In small quantities, alcohol is a stimulant. In large quantities, alcohol acts as a sedative. In all amounts, however, alcohol provides a rich and potent source of calories and energy.

Myth: Alcohol has the same chemical and physiological effect on everyone who drinks.

Reality: Alcohol, like every other food we take into our bodies, affects different people in different ways.

Myth: Alcohol is an addictive drug, and everyone who drinks long and hard enough will become addicted.

Reality: Alcohol is selectively addictive drug; it is addictive for only a minority of its users, namely, alcoholics. Most people can drink occasionally, daily, even heavily, without becoming addicted to alcohol. Others (alcoholics) will become addicted no matter how much they drink.

Myth: Alcohol is harmful and poisonous to the alcoholic.

Reality: Alcohol is a normalizing agent and the best medicine for the pain it creates, giving the alcoholic energy, stimulation, and relief from the pain of withdrawal. Its harmful and poisonous aftereffects are most evident when the alcoholic stops drinking.

Myth: Addiction to alcohol is often psychological.

Reality: Addiction to alcohol is primarily physiological. Alcoholics become addicted because their bodies are physiologically incapable of processing alcohol normally.

Myth: People become alcoholics because they have psychological or emotional problems which they try to relieve by drinking.

Reality: Alcoholics have the same psychological and emotional problems as everyone else before they start drinking. These problems are aggravated, however, by their addiction to alcohol. Alcoholism undermines and weakens the alcoholic’s ability to cope with the normal problems of living. Furthermore, the alcoholic’s emotions become inflamed both when he drinks excessively and when he stops drinking. Thus, when he is drinking, and when he is abstinent, he will feel angry, fearful, and depressed in exaggerated degrees.

Myth: All sorts of social problems—marriage problems, a death in the family, job stress—may cause alcoholism.

Reality: As with psychological and emotional problems, alcoholics experience all the social pressures everyone else does, but their ability to cope is undermined by the disease and the problems get worse.

Myth: When the alcoholic is drinking, he reveals his true personality.

Reality: Alcohol’s effect on the brain causes severe psychological and emotional distortions of the normal personality. Sobriety reveals the alcoholic’s true personality.

Myth: The fact that alcoholics often continue to be depressed, anxious, irritable, and unhappy after they stop drinking is evidence that their disease is caused by psychological problems.

Reality: Alcoholics who continue to be depressed, anxious, irritable, and unhappy after they stop drinking are actually suffering from a phenomenon called "the protracted withdrawal syndrome." The physical damage caused by years of excessive drinking has not been completely reversed; they are, in fact, still sick and in need of more effective therapy.

Myth: If people would only drink responsibly, they would not become alcoholics.

Reality: Many responsible drinkers become alcoholics. Then, because it is the nature of the disease (not the person), they begin to drink irresponsibly.

Myth: An alcoholic has to want help to be helped.

Reality: Most drinking alcoholics do not want to be helped. They are sick, unable to think rationally, and incapable of giving up alcohol by themselves. Most recovered alcoholics were forced into treatment against their will. Self-motivation usually occurs during treatment, not before.

Myth: Some alcoholics can learn to drink normally and can continue to drink with no ill effects as long as they limit the amount.

Reality: Alcoholics can never safely return to drinking because drinking in any amount will sooner or later reactivate their addiction.

Myth: Psychotherapy can help many alcoholics achieve sobriety through self-understanding.

Reality: Psychotherapy diverts attention from the physical causes of the disease, compounds the alcoholic’s guilt and shame, and aggravates rather than alleviates his problems.

Myth: Craving for alcohol can be offset by eating high-sugar foods.

Reality: Foods with a high sugar content will increase the alcoholic’s depression, irritability, and tension and intensify his desire for a drink to relieve these symptoms.

Myth: If alcoholics eat three balanced meals a day, their nutritional problems will eventually correct themselves.

Reality: Alcoholic’s nutritional needs are only partially met by a balanced diet. They also need vitamin and mineral supplements to correct any deficiencies and to maintain nutritional balances.

Myth: Tranquilizers and sedatives are sometimes useful in treating alcoholics.

Reality: Tranquilizers and sedatives are useful only during the acute withdrawal period. Beyond that, these substitute drugs are destructive and, in many cases, deadly for alcoholics.

Under The Influence

A Guide to the Myths and Realities of Alcoholism

Dr. James R. Milam and Katherine Ketcham

Selected excerpts from the book address many long-held myths about alcoholism and its treatment. Also included are definitions of alcohol treatment terminology.

The Myth and the Reality
Separating myth from reality is not an easy task. Myth is, in fact, reality for many people; to suggest another reality exists is to turn their world upside down. But if the truth about alcoholism is ever to be understood, the myths must be attacked and destroyed. Only facts can destroy myths; and facts are the backbone of this book.

Myth: Alcohol is predominantly a sedative or depressant drug.

Reality: Alcohol’s pharmacological effects change with the amount drunk. In small quantities, alcohol is a stimulant. In large quantities, alcohol acts as a sedative. In all amounts, however, alcohol provides a rich and potent source of calories and energy.

Myth: Alcohol has the same chemical and physiological effect on everyone who drinks.

Reality: Alcohol, like every other food we take into our bodies, affects different people in different ways.

Myth: Alcohol is an addictive drug, and everyone who drinks long and hard enough will become addicted.

Reality: Alcohol is selectively addictive drug; it is addictive for only a minority of its users, namely, alcoholics. Most people can drink occasionally, daily, even heavily, without becoming addicted to alcohol. Others (alcoholics) will become addicted no matter how much they drink.

Myth: Alcohol is harmful and poisonous to the alcoholic.

Reality: Alcohol is a normalizing agent and the best medicine for the pain it creates, giving the alcoholic energy, stimulation, and relief from the pain of withdrawal. Its harmful and poisonous aftereffects are most evident when the alcoholic stops drinking.

Myth: Addiction to alcohol is often psychological.

Reality: Addiction to alcohol is primarily physiological. Alcoholics become addicted because their bodies are physiologically incapable of processing alcohol normally.

Myth: People become alcoholics because they have psychological or emotional problems which they try to relieve by drinking.

Reality: Alcoholics have the same psychological and emotional problems as everyone else before they start drinking. These problems are aggravated, however, by their addiction to alcohol. Alcoholism undermines and weakens the alcoholic’s ability to cope with the normal problems of living. Furthermore, the alcoholic’s emotions become inflamed both when he drinks excessively and when he stops drinking. Thus, when he is drinking, and when he is abstinent, he will feel angry, fearful, and depressed in exaggerated degrees.

Myth: All sorts of social problems—marriage problems, a death in the family, job stress—may cause alcoholism.

Reality: As with psychological and emotional problems, alcoholics experience all the social pressures everyone else does, but their ability to cope is undermined by the disease and the problems get worse.

Myth: When the alcoholic is drinking, he reveals his true personality.

Reality: Alcohol’s effect on the brain causes severe psychological and emotional distortions of the normal personality. Sobriety reveals the alcoholic’s true personality.

Myth: The fact that alcoholics often continue to be depressed, anxious, irritable, and unhappy after they stop drinking is evidence that their disease is caused by psychological problems.

Reality: Alcoholics who continue to be depressed, anxious, irritable, and unhappy after they stop drinking are actually suffering from a phenomenon called "the protracted withdrawal syndrome." The physical damage caused by years of excessive drinking has not been completely reversed; they are, in fact, still sick and in need of more effective therapy.

Myth: If people would only drink responsibly, they would not become alcoholics.

Reality: Many responsible drinkers become alcoholics. Then, because it is the nature of the disease (not the person), they begin to drink irresponsibly.

Myth: An alcoholic has to want help to be helped.

Reality: Most drinking alcoholics do not want to be helped. They are sick, unable to think rationally, and incapable of giving up alcohol by themselves. Most recovered alcoholics were forced into treatment against their will. Self-motivation usually occurs during treatment, not before.

Myth: Some alcoholics can learn to drink normally and can continue to drink with no ill effects as long as they limit the amount.

Reality: Alcoholics can never safely return to drinking because drinking in any amount will sooner or later reactivate their addiction.

Myth: Psychotherapy can help many alcoholics achieve sobriety through self-understanding.

Reality: Psychotherapy diverts attention from the physical causes of the disease, compounds the alcoholic’s guilt and shame, and aggravates rather than alleviates his problems.

Myth: Craving for alcohol can be offset by eating high-sugar foods.

Reality: Foods with a high sugar content will increase the alcoholic’s depression, irritability, and tension and intensify his desire for a drink to relieve these symptoms.

Myth: If alcoholics eat three balanced meals a day, their nutritional problems will eventually correct themselves.

Reality: Alcoholic’s nutritional needs are only partially met by a balanced diet. They also need vitamin and mineral supplements to correct any deficiencies and to maintain nutritional balances.

Myth: Tranquilizers and sedatives are sometimes useful in treating alcoholics.

Reality: Tranquilizers and sedatives are useful only during the acute withdrawal period. Beyond that, these substitute drugs are destructive and, in many cases, deadly for alcoholics.



http://www.lakesidemilam.com/UnderTheInfluence-Guide.htm


I have nothing more to say on the subject.



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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:40 PM
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32. These, the first two points, contradict each other..
Myth: Alcohol is predominantly a sedative or depressant drug.

Reality: Alcohol’s pharmacological effects change with the amount drunk. In small quantities, alcohol is a stimulant. In large quantities, alcohol acts as a sedative. In all amounts, however, alcohol provides a rich and potent source of calories and energy.

Myth: Alcohol has the same chemical and physiological effect on everyone who drinks.

Reality: Alcohol, like every other food we take into our bodies, affects different people in different ways.


For some people alcohol is a sedative drug even in small quantities, for others it is a stimulant even in large quantities.

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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:57 PM
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20. What is the precursor to withdrawl?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. The abrupt
discontinuation/separation or a decrease in dosage of the intake of medications, recreational drugs, and/or alcohol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:13 PM
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27. Addiction perhaps?
Since the ridiculous claim was made alcohol wasn't addictive, how can one enter into withdrawal from it?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:14 PM
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28. You obviously have failed to read my following statements about alcohol addiction,.
Please do so.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:39 PM
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31. 'Alcohol is not addictive, nicotine is'
Either you want to defend that statement or not. I could care less about your other posts. You made the statement, back it up. Not that you can. I don't blame you for trying to change the subject. You can remain as obtuse as you like, and believe alcohol isn't addictive. It really doesn't matter to me.

I just hope there aren't people reading it that take it even remotely seriously.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:44 PM
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33. I would modify that statement to the extent, as I've said elsewhere,
that alcohol is not inherently addictive, while nicotine is.

'Alcohol is selectively addictive drug; it is addictive for only a minority of its users, namely, alcoholics. Most people can drink occasionally, daily, even heavily, without becoming addicted to alcohol. Others (alcoholics) will become addicted no matter how much they drink.'

http://www.lakesidemilam.com/UnderTheInfluence-Guide.htm


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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:29 PM
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12. I think you are wrong about alcohol addiction.
first: frequent use of alcohol causes physical dependence and withdrawal from alcohol dependency can cause physical complications including death. second: some people physically dependent on alcohol will progress to addiction, for which there appears to be a strong genetic link, which is probably what you are referring to. That doesn't make alcohol non-addictive, it just means that there is a genetic predisposition to addiction.
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:00 PM
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6. I gave up all of the fun stuff years ago because I tend to have an addictive lean.
However, if people want to drink or use various drugs, I feel that as long as they don't harm anyone else, who cares. Let's face it, most people willingly use these for whatever reason. It's not like dealers hold a gun to their head and force them to buy their goods anymore than bartenders force someone to drink. There have been a hell of a lot more people killed by drunk drivers around here than by someone that police find has $10 worth of drugs in their car.

Yet we have special task forces that even the police that I've asked say are a complete waste of time and money. Every time they make a large arrest involving 30 or 40 people, they proclaim that they are winning the "War on Drugs".

News flash..... as long as people around here are looking to buy drugs, someone will always be there to sell it to them.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:08 PM
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8. I favor a plan of Full Scale Harm Reduction. That involves the legalization of all drugs.
It's time to admit the futility of trying to prevent lemmings from drowning themselves in a sea of drugs. Treatment is not effective until the person admits that they have a problem. A court taking this critical first step for them is Equally futile and therefore a waste of precious resources.
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:29 PM
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11. 100% Agree.
One of the biggest problems is the ever popular NIMBY. A lot of people who actually do want help end up having to drive some distance just to find a center. A lot of the proposed treatment centers around here have been blocked by people who say that they want the people to find help, just as long as it's in another town or county.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:07 PM
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17. What you want all those 100k per year guards to be out of work?
Prison teaches violence to people who come out as violent felons. Nice system.. not.
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:28 PM
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29. We can keep the guards.
Instead of putting people with non-violent drug offenses in like sardines, I think that it might be time to start using the prisons for politicians, lobbyists, CEO's and anyone else who enables the corruption, war crimes and just plain evil that is our government.

I don't mean the "country club prisons" either, put them in a real prison with the general population and let them learn what it's like to be treated the way that they deserve.

Man, I sound as though I'm in a real pissy mood. That's probably because I just watched the evening news and that pisses me off almost every time.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:44 PM
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19. How do we treat alcoholism or sex addictions
That's a place to start. In general I believe there is no significant drug problem that wouldn't mostly go away if drugs weren't criminal.
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