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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:08 AM
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Poll question: Does being disgusted by gay sex make one homophobic?
This was the premise of another thread, but I wanted to see if it was actually a widely-held notion or not.

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:18 AM
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1. There are a lot of people of ALL genders & orientations I don't want to think about fucking.


However, I think making a big, honkin' POINT of stating "I'm disgusted by gay sex" might CERTAINLY indicate that one is a raging homophobe.

Different strokes for different folks. Tolerant, open-minded grown-ups can usually deal with the fact that other people may do things in the privacy of their bedrooms that they, themselves, might not want to do or watch. And I'm willing to bet no one is making them.
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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:29 AM
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6. But I am sure as fuck Poppy-getting-it on-with-his-wife phobic. Ewww
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:16 AM
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53. Wha..GHW Bush is gay?
I didn't know he married George Washington! But I admire him for coming out. Good for him!
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:21 AM
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2. Yes it does. And the results of this poll thus far do not surprise me.
I have seen many instances of insensitivity to gay issues here.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:24 AM
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3. Or more precisely, "defines one" as homophobic.
And being disgusted by the notion of sex between old people is ageist. Which is not the same thing as making fun of sex between old people -- even though the impulse is coming from the same place.

For me the difference is whether you can say "I don't choose to have sex that way, but I don't care if you do" versus "I don't choose to have sex that way and the notion that you do repulses me."
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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:24 AM
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4. I find gay sex, Budweiser, sauerkraut, and voting republican disgusting.
But I think you should still be able to get married if you happen to disagree.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:30 AM
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8. You are facing your bigotry and can recognize it.
That is a first step.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:48 AM
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11. Bigotry?
You should be free to drink what ever kind of beer you prefer :beer:
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:01 AM
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14. I was referring to the homophobia.
But you knew that.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:18 AM
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16. Yes,,,,and no.
I see a man stating his 'taste' or his preference(?). Just because something is not right for me doesn't mean it's not right for some one else. Right? O8)



I mean let's face it rotting cabbage-does anyone like that junk?
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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:45 AM
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21. What homophobia?
Do you think I would shun friends who have gay sex? Or eat sauerkraut, for that matter?
No, people do things that make me go ewww.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX_5zIXxKEU&feature=rela...
That's their thing. More power to them.

Oh, and some things I like that disgust other people : sen sen, single malt scotch, my brewers yeast health drink, straight espresso.

And hey, let's not forget straight sex. I used to work for a gay man at a video store. When it was time to rearrange the "romance" section, I was generally called in for that job. The trashy covers featuring sultry women just made him go "eww". Perhaps he was "heterophobic". Eh, didn't bother me any. I didn't throw any labels at him just because he wasn't into the same things as me. Perhaps you could learn to do the same.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:25 AM
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5. Yes it does.
If a person cannot separate themselves from the sex acts of others, such person needs to check himself.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:29 AM
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7. I'm confused by the question -
does it mean that watching gay people have sex disgusts some people?

Or is it just the notion that gay people have sex?

Because, if you're watching and it disgusts you, you probably should ask yourself why you're watching it.

If it's just the idea of people doing something that gives the pleasure that upsets you, you might want to think about what the fuck it is to you?

But, honestly, I'm not sure that either makes someone a homophobe. There may very well be a very visceral reaction to the idea of the physical act itself, while the person who experiences that reaction has an intellectual belief, and stands by it, that gays must have equal rights, and would never characterize him- or herself as homophobic.

Complicated matter that, in my opinion, anyway, cannot be reduced to a simple question..................................
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rebecca_herman Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:41 AM
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9. yes what is the question exactly
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 02:45 AM by rebecca_herman
I am not grossed out by the fact that people that are not me have gay sex or any other sex act. However, if I were accidentally to see gay porn, I would be disgusted by it - but then again I'm also disgusted by straight porn as well so whatever. For the most part I just don't want to hear about other's sex lives in general. So maybe that just makes me a prude lol.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:06 AM
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67. that's what I want to know
If you are saying that two gay guys are going to come do the nasty in my kitchen and I have to watch, then yes.

The idea that gays are having sex, then no.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:43 AM
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10. No.
Thinking the physical act is repulsive does not make you a homophobe. Thinking that gay people are disgusting does.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:23 AM
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18. but that's the problem
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 04:09 AM by Duppers
I think a majority of homophobic people do not separate the two.

If one believes that something is disgusting, do they therefore, in their subconscious, not think that the person doing the deed is disgusting?


And then there are those hypocrites who squinch their faces up and absolutely curse anal sex. I once ask one of them if they ever had anal sex with their spouse and they reluctantly admitted they had. Busted!

So it seems that some people will use any rationale to justify their phobias.

Needless to say, I have a problem with homophobes, hypocrites, and prudes.




Edited to add this quote:

"The important thing is not the object of love, but the emotion itself."
~ Gore Vidal

...Which I take to mean: it's not the gender of who you love, but that you love.

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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:51 AM
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12. No, I don't think so.
The idea of having sex with someone of the same sex is just as disgusting to me as the idea of having sex with the opposite sex is to a gay person, i would imagine. Just because I, myself, could not engage in such an activity does not in any way mean that I think someone else shouldn't. Gay sex in and of itself is not disgusting to me, it's the idea of me engaging in it myself that is.

Now, does the fact that I could not engage in gay sex myself make me homophobic? I don't think so, but perhaps others may think that way of me. Interesting question.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:07 AM
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35. Great answer! nt
nt
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:47 AM
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38. great answer
If any gay person finds straight sex disgusting, the question becomes mute.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:51 AM
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13. no
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 02:52 AM by ccharles000
I would never want to watch straight porn not because I hate straight people,but because I would not be into it.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:01 AM
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15. I find that most homophobes I know are disgusted by gay sex ...
and they also have issues with ANY sex that mildly deviates from the missionary method.
I call them prudes! There seems to be a whole subculture of very religious, sexually phobic people in the south. Conservatards.



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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:26 AM
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19. They are repressed individuals tormented by their own hidden desires...
They compensate for their insecurity by overly asserting their control and understanding of a situation.

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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:22 AM
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17. From what I've experienced, being disgusted with something often means...
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 03:22 AM by armyowalgreens
there is a yet to be understood intrigue.

There is a difference between not enjoying gay sex and being disgusted by the thought of it.

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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:40 AM
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20. That idea is....
almost (but not quite) on the same footing as re-educating gays for a straight life.



Repugnant, no?
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:46 AM
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22. Huh? How is that in any way the same as gay re-education?
That's basic psychology.

We repress feelings that we consider to be deviant (for whatever reason; society disapproves, etc.). We remain insecure about these feelings because we feel like we are doing something bad by simply having them. In turn, we overcompensate in an attempt to cover up our true feelings.

I'm completely failing to make a connection with your comparison.

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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:34 AM
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30. Really?
They seem like mirror images to me.


Both suggest that the other side needs to be repair instead of accepted. (Best I could do in a few words, bed is calling-east coast you know.)
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:40 AM
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31. "Mirror image" implies that two things are reversals of each other.
It means that two things are the exact opposite of each other. Just an FYI.

As far as the rest of your argument, I am still failing to understand. It seems incoherent and pointless.

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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:54 AM
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23. I have to agree. I never have liked the idea of "everyone is bi but just repressing it"
It's total bullshit. People get off on different things for reasons that have nothing to do with repression.
This goes the same whether you are saying that a straight person is repressing his gay desires or a gay person should at least have some straight desires that he's repressing.
Not everyone meets in the middle.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:55 AM
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24. Where did I suggest that everyone was bi?
I said no such thing.

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rebecca_herman Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:05 AM
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25. I'm disgusted by mushrooms and fish...
does this mean I'm supressing a secret longing to eat lots of mushrooms and fish?
sometimes someone is just plain not into something and it's as simple as that with no deeper psychology needed.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:09 AM
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29. You don't like the taste. If you are "disgusted" by them, you are suffering from a mental block...
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 04:09 AM by armyowalgreens
And if you noticed from my original post, I never said that every disgust= intrigue.

Learn to read or stop responding.
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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:05 AM
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26. Sure. Whatever.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:05 AM
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27. LOL. I haven't heard that come back since high school.
Nice job.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:04 AM
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34. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:52 AM
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59. which was like, last year
:rofl:
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:19 AM
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40. The two posters above who have replied to you
are missing a vital distinction.

They're assuming that all straight people are disgusted by the idea of gay sex and vice versa. In fact some (if not most) people are just neutral, they're not attracted to it but they aren't disgusted by it either.

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:32 AM
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49. What CJ Said!
I'm not disgusted by it all. I'm not interested in it at all, either.

Anybody else's sex is irrelevant to my wife and i.
GAC
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:38 PM
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92. Indeed. Most heteros are NOT offended by gay sex.
These folks who assume that all or most heteros find gay sex disgusting or offensive really tip their hand.

Disgust is a much stronger word than "dislike." It goes well beyond "not for me, thanks." It is a statement of revulsion and rejection.

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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:50 AM
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51. So are you intrigued by 2 girls, 1 cup?
fascinating.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:48 PM
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83. Yah. Olives gross me out. Therefore I must secretly yearn for olives....
What a wonderful addition to the field of philosophy you'll make. (facepalm)
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:07 AM
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28. I think disgusted is too strong a word
It grosses me out to some degree to visualize or see gay sex. But that does not make me a homophobe, It also grosses me out to think of my grandparents having sex, but I am delighted that they do it. I think it's awesome.

So distaste for the actual act is, in my opinion, unrelated to homophobia.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:40 AM
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32. I promise not to be disgusted if you promise not to make me watch
I agree that many straight people use the "gay sex is disgusting" idea to justify homophobic attitudes.

My own view is that what happens between consenting adults in private is none of my business.

I also believe that people don't choose their sexual orientation. It's in your genes.

In any case, discrimination based on sexual orientation cannot be justified.

P.S. Does being aroused by seeing two women kissing make me pro-lesbian? :eyes:
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:52 AM
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33. I don't think about anyone in a sex act
That is disgusting to me.

If two men or two women or one man and one woman have sex, I say more power to them. My wish is for everyone to love and be loved, but I won't think about them doing it. It's not my business, and to think about the act does gross me out.

Now, if two men or two women or one man and one woman are walking down the street holding hands, and give one another a peck on the cheek - I find that endearing.

Life is too precious to waste on thinking about sexual acts, unless they're my own.



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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:25 AM
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36. Often this "disgust"
is used to simply mask bigotry.
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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 05:46 AM
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37. But then why the bigotry?
Isn't it easier to rail against a sin when you have absolutely no temptation to it? Kind of like a man with no fingers railing against pickpocketing.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:37 AM
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41. Not really. Why do so many RWers say it's a choice
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 06:38 AM by CJCRANE
and why do they say they were "tempted" by the other guy when caught having gay relationships?
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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:11 PM
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107. They are tempted because they like to think that they are straight...
... and all straight people are tempted by teh gay secs. Don't you see? They would be cured if only they prayed hard enough! :D
Seriously, I'm talking about the straight guys here. See, if it's a choice then the straight guys are not tempted because they are so strong in their faith that it's easy to avoid temptation. :eyes:
Besides, if it's not a choice then they would be picking on people for who they are, not the sin they do, and we can't have that, can we?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:15 AM
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39. No, but that'd be the way to bet.
Obviously you can't make snap judgements based on one (1) factor; a person isn't automatically homophobic because that person is "disgusted by gay sex"; obviously that person might be uncomfortable with sex, period.

But in my experience, if a person acts all grossed-out over The Very Idea of same sexer's doing the nasty, that person's likely got issues with same-sexers in general.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:47 AM
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42. heck no
i am repulsed by seeing gay men have sex.

i am also disgusted by seeing extremely obese people having sex.

and men having sex with women when the men have very hairy backs

etc.

that doesn't mean i think any of the above are immoral, or should have less legal rights.

it's a matter of aesthetics.

i am sure there are some people who think that if you have any revulsion towards two men schtupping, that yer a homophobe. imo, that's absurd.

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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:01 AM
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64. Oh, you like your men smooth.
Maybe the poster up-thread WAS correct about intrigue.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:22 PM
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100. that's the typical response
it tries to eliminate honest debate by using the "oh, you must be covering something up/denying tact"

but you could at least have done it in a funny way.

and no, i don't like my men smooth. i like their BACKS smooth.

hth

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:50 AM
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43. I'm straight and I don't even like watching straight porn
Sex is something personal that I do with women that I'm attracted to. Anyone else having sex is disgusting.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:27 AM
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44. Yes.
Straight people perform the same sex acts as gay people on a regular basis. If you are disgusted at the thought of people of the same sex performing them together, then yes you are a homophobe.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:33 AM
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45. Other: I don't really know.
Perhaps you've got the relationship between the two wrong. Perhaps being "disgusted by gay sex" is an effect of homophobia, rather than a cause.

Perhaps there are some who are disgusted because of prudery in general.

:shrug:
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:13 AM
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46. ALL sex is NASTY and DISGUSTING!!!
The ONLY proper way to reproduce is ASEXUALLY!

That's how Ozzie and Harriet did it! That's how Rob and Laura did it!
The twin beds must NEVER touch!

This whole thread is pointless, because ALL sex is NAUGHTY!

Check out Perversion for Profit, a 1965 film produced by the MOST
MORAL MAN IN THE WORLD, Charles Keating. That'll set ya right!

Perversion for Profit Part 1
Perversion for Profit Part 2

SEX... YUK!



Tee-shirts, buttons and other crap at
Laugh City!


President Evil Online has risen from the grave!
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:26 AM
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55. I've been asexual plenty of times
But unfortunately, my hand doesn't harbor an egg or uterus to grow a human fetus in!! LOL!!
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:48 AM
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58. Harry Monroe, meet Harry Palms!
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:23 AM
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47. Yes. There's a BIG difference between not liking something
and being "disgusted" by it.

If the dislike is so strong that it has become "disgust" (which is a MUCH stronger term than "dislike," implying an aversion so strong as to make a person physically sick) then there's most likely some degree of homophobia at the heart of it, either consciously or not.

I always find it interesting that we can FINALLY admit that all white people are, to some degree, racist (and we ARE--our psyches are constructed that way by our idiotic society) but if someone makes a tentative claim that all straight people are, to some degree, homophobic, then everyone gets pissed-off, righteously indignant, and offended.

God knows our society oppresses gays in the same manner that it oppresses non-whites, and there are many of the same constructed-from-childhood bigotries involved, so why the disparity? Why can't we just admit that someone who feels intense emotions like "disgust" at the idea of gay people having sex is probably reacting out of the same kind of subconscious prejudice toward gays that all white people feel toward non-whites, even if they make a sincere effort to combat it with logic and reason? It doesn't mean that the person feeling it is a terrible, evil person, or even a sick person. Subconscious racism and homophobia do not make a person "evil" unless that person embraces them and allows them to dictate his or her actions toward, and interactions with, gay people and non-whites.

Frankly, I could add another category to that list--gender--but I suspect that I'm going to get yelled at just for saying *this*. It never ceases to amaze me how vicious people can be when they feel that they're being accused of bigotry, even when the perceived "attack" is actually just an attempt at rational, honest discussion of uncomfortable ideas. I think that thread posted the other day really made a good point--some people really DO act as if having their own prejudices pointed out is somehow worse than being a victim of prejudice. It's frustrating as hell, because such behavior absolutely destroys any hope of having a meaningful discussion.

:shrug:
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:40 AM
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50. It's rational to say
That all white people are racist to some degree?

I would say all people are racist to some degree. Other races don't get a free pass on that.

We're all programmed to see people not like ourselves differently, I don't see it as societal but rather an aspect of our evolution and survival instinct. An instinct that has likely outlived it's usefulness. "Us" vs "them" has been around as long as humans have, as it exists in many areas of nature.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:29 AM
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48. I think that most outspoken homophobes are terminally obsessed with gay sex
take Ted Haggard and Ted Stevens for instance...both rabidly homophobic in the public venue, and yet in private...well, you know. I contend that those who are most outspoken in condemning the gay lifestyle do so not out of disgust or hate, but in response to an overwhelming attraction to gay sex.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:09 AM
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52. Yes. Disgust, a powerful reaction, is often accompanied by contempt or anger...
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 09:10 AM by VOX
Such as, "You people disgust me." And that is a judgement, and it's homophobic.

IMO, a non-homophobe is one who, when thinking of gay sex, finds that the idea is just something nice that two consenting adults share, or, at the very least, feels nonchalant about it.

But to react with disgust is to reveal some kind of emotional attachment or fixation with the act of gay sex-- and the formation of judgement is sure to follow, i.e.: "Gay sex is disgusting! How can anybody do something so horrible? They must be defective!"

And it's off to the races.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:29 AM
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57. +1
And to dig even further, what do such reactions, when examined, actually reveal given that misogyny is the cornerstone of homophobia?
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:23 AM
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54. Man on man or woman on woman?
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 09:24 AM by Harry Monroe
Straight hetero checking in here. I have watched lesbian porno. Does that make me gay? Man on man porno wouldn't do it for me though. Just have no interest in watching 2 guys go at it. But whatever they want to do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is their own damned business and none of mine!!
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:27 AM
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56. Come on liberals
Don't you know that you have to be accepting of EVERYTHING on this board or you are a homophobic, sexist, racist or whatever the OP is fishing for.

btw, I don't find gay sex disgusting. I do find this push for having to accept everyone's agenda disgusting.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:06 AM
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66. Which agenda would that be?
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Milk Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:00 PM
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106. That was an interesting choice of words
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:56 AM
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60. It depends
I think it depends on the specifics of what actually "disgusts" the person. If it's just the actual sight of two people of the same sex having relations I'd have to say no, not necessarily. But, if it's an obsession about what others are doing in private I'd have to say yes. For example, my nutty sister in law lived next door to a gay couple and she would just sit there and foam at the mouth about what "those queers next door were doing to each other". It got worse at night after she had a few drinks.

As for me, I have no problem with how anybody wants to live or what they want to do. I fully support equal marriage rights and equality for all, but, I do not want to see two guys having sex and I don't think that makes me a homophobe.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:14 AM
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69. That sound like my neighbor's boyfriend.
At one of my (mostly gay) parties, he commented to my other straight neighbor about "how many guys in this room have had c*cks in their mouths." He constantly makes statements like that but gets "disgusted" at any mention of gay sex.
He refuses to marry his long time girlfriend because his mother "doesn't approve" and he constantly shows up at my boyfriend and my door when he's really drunk and wants to share a bottle of wine.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:58 AM
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61. i doubt very many straight people would enjoy watching it, but the word disgusted is loaded.
i suppose if someone strapped me to a chair clockwork orange style and forced me too, i suppose.

but straight people, i would hazard a guess, don't as a practice watch it.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:51 AM
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76. Let's just put it this way. It wouldn't appeal to me.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:10 AM
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78. me neither, that's why i think it's an absurd post. because unless you are gay, you probably won't
ever find yourself watching it.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:08 PM
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112. Oh yeah, I'm sure somebody needs to strap you down to watch Jenna Jameson go at it
with Asia Carrera. :evilgrin:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:36 PM
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116. now, now, we're talking dude on dude. but here's a question for you.
does that mean girls would like to see 2 guys going at it? that'll make for a short lived DU poll...
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:59 AM
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62. In general, people don't have to show their disgust. It too is a personal matter.
When I am eating dinner with others and someone eats something that "grosses me out", I don't comment on it and ruin their meal.

What disgusts me is my business and I wouldn't share it if it hurt others' feelings.

People shouldn't go around policing other people's minds to find out what they find disgusting.

"Keep your hands off my brain" would be an appropriate way to put it, I think.
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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:13 PM
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113. Exactly!
Different things for different people.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:59 AM
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63. What's your view?
And I'm glad my thread got you to finally post something interesting. :hi:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:03 AM
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65. Does being disgusted by interrcial sex make one a racist?
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:12 AM
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68. Apparently not around here.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:18 AM
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71. Going by the reactions of a few I've known, yes. It's "disgusting" precisely b/c of mixed ethnicity
... er, at least to those who perceive and react that way.

Although there's a much stronger reaction of hatred/fear/disgust over male homosexuals b/c it entails a sense of cultural/gender role betrayal re man's feminine side, which is supposed to be kept within a very narrow, culturally-established and perpetuated range of "traditional" acceptability.

The old idea was, dumb, unthinking men (authoritarian, John Wayne machismo) make much better work horses and soldiers. Namby-pamby, willy-nilly men who actually have a wide range of emotions, and ask a lot of pesky questions only tend to interfere with the Profits Over People agenda.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:18 AM
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72. Only if they're gay.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:20 AM
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73. Some racists are EXCITED by interracial sex. nt
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:10 PM
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86. Among decent people, yes. Among DUers, apparently, not at all. n/t
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:41 PM
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93. Definitely does make one a racist.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:17 AM
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70. Folks who are disgusted by gay sex
should stop downloading it!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:35 AM
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74. no...is that the right answer? cause the sample is rather push-poll'y
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:44 AM
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75. Why should anybody be obsessed with what other people are doing sexually in the first place?
That said, I see the homophobes are ruling this poll.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:57 AM
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77. That's the key to this debate.
To be disgusted with the idea of people having gay sex is certainly homophobic.

But to be otherwise disgusted by anybody having sex within your comfort zone, whatever that comfort zone may be, is something else entirely.

But for the sake of this nonsensical debate, we'll just have to pretend we're all talking about the same thing.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:15 AM
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81. i wonder what the OP really means.
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 11:16 AM by dionysus
is he disgusted by the mere notion of gay people having sex...

or does he propose a hypothetical; if a straight person was subjected to viewing gay sex, and was disgusted...

but let's be honest, it's another Loz push poll, which means it's bullshit just as sure as Oasis is still the shittiest band in rock history.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:12 AM
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79. So much wrong with this thread, so little time.
Yes, disgust is an indicator of homophobia. Disgust is a powerful emotion, and the "disgust" for gay sex in culture and society is usually a coded expression for two men having sex. Somehow, lesbianism often gets a pass in these conversations. The fact that two women together is a cultural staple in heterosexual porn while two males together is often accompanied by strong aversion and disdain should be the giant blinking light that these attitudes are rooted and grounded in culture, just as racism and other forms of bigotry are a part of our cultural conditioning.

Notice how, somehow, most LGBTers you talk to don't run around screaming about heterosexual displays of affection. Why? We're conditioned to accept them. They're everywhere, we see them practically every single day, it generally doesn't phase people. There's a vast, vast difference between "This does nothing for me" and "OMG, it's horrifying!" The former is an expression of personal sexual taste. The latter is oftentimes a negative, condemnatory judgement.

The "ick" factor also denotes a cultural and sexual immaturity in the person expressing the sentiment. Sexually mature adults can see or hear of various sex acts and register indifference or lack of preference. But the "Eek! A sexual mouse!" accompanied by rhetorical leaping onto a chair is the mark of an adolescent mind unprepared to accept or suffer diversity or the concept that people come in all shapes, sizes, and expressions. It's the mark of timid thinking and undeveloped sexual progress.

The fact people need to bounce around and look for reassurance for their attitudes is just reinforcement of this stuff.

This thread depresses me. And you know what's really depressing? So many LGBTers would be all over this thread, but now so many are gone, that conversations like this can just go on and on without much gay imput at all. That dream where mainly heterosexuals could skip around and arbitrarily declare what is and is not appropriate about different orientations has finally come to pass on this site. Congratulations, I guess.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:44 PM
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105. threads like this make me wonder
why I'm still here. I AM DISGUSTED to borrow a word
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:15 AM
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80. Only if being disgusted by straight sex makes one heterophobic. n/t
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:33 PM
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82. Wow.
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 12:34 PM by SacredCow
So DU is now a haven for the lame-ass excuse "Oh, I don't mind that you're gay. I just think that what you do in bed is disgusting." Thus perpetuating the notion that straight people should be characterized by many factors (their actions, compassion, humility, ethics, etc...). Gay people, on the other hand, are defined solely by what they do with their genitalia.

Not that it really surprises me anymore.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 12:59 PM
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84. As if heterosexuals haven't done, and still do, every single sexual thing that gay folks do.
Many such straights have made gay folks the repository of their own sexual fantasies and behavior.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:14 PM
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87. Perhaps we need to issue a PSA to all "disgusted" straight people:
Gay people do NOT have an extra hole or appendage.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled heterosexual German midget scat dungeon porn, for your non-disgusted viewing pleasure.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:03 PM
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85. I prefer not to think about myself having sex,
much less anybody else. Although I will say this,
isn't having sex with yourself gay sex? Not that I
think about it.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:16 PM
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88. "Disgusted" is a word that means "to loathe." That's homophobic when applied here.
There's a lot of dancing around in this thread, but we all know there's a vast difference among these options:

1. Complete acceptance of gay people, including their sexuality and sex acts.

2. Acceptance of gay people, but lack of comfort about some or certain gay sex acts.

3. Disdain, disgust, or revulsion at gays and gay sex acts.


DISGUST is not a sugar coated word. It says "you make me SICK." It is a word of condemnation.


Say you're not comfortable watching gay sex acts, say you find thinking about such acts troubling, but don't say they disgust you. Say you can't handle them. Only perception makes them offensive, and that's all in your head.
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CocoaBeachCoco Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:23 PM
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90. I was writing as much at the same time of you. The frame of mind of the pollster is CRYSTAL clear.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:50 PM
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96. How did you determine my frame of mind? n/t
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CocoaBeachCoco Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:21 PM
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89. What does being disgusted by this small-minded poll make one?
Surely I would have thought that any thinking person would realize that being gay is an orientation of affection, not only sex. To attribute the strongly emotive "disgusting" speaks volumes of the pollster as well as those who voted nay. TRULY disgusting.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:54 PM
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97. The word "disgusted" was not my choice of terminology. n/t
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:24 PM
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91. wow, just wow. nt
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:42 PM
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94. What if your OK with the "gay sex" but disgusted by the
cuddling that goes on afterward?
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:43 PM
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95. This poll serves to verify the vibe I get regarding gays on this site.
Sad.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:59 PM
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98. Why would one be any more disgusted about gay sex than about hetersexual sex?
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:00 PM
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99. I'm disgusted by this thread. (nt)
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:26 PM
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101. As a lesbian, watching hetero sex in films doesn't "disgust" me
So why should who I have with disgust straight people? It's not like I wanna have hetero sex but I don't find it disgusting... It makes one wonder why so many straight people think that gay sex is disgusting. Sex, in and of itself, is kinda gross if you really think about it.

Whether it makes one homophobic, I think the answer is yes and no. Some people, who are vocally disgusted by even the idea of gay sex, are homophobic. Some people who are disgusted by the idea of gay sex are just close-minded.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:34 PM
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110. +1
If the person finds it disgusting to watch sex of others that may have nothing to do with homophobia. However, I've yet to meet a person who felt the need to proclaim disgust at gay sex who wasn't also willing to deny rights to gays. Something about declaring it disgusting works for them as a justification. I think it's tied to the obsession of limiting gay identity to sex acts rather than admitting that sexual identity is just a part of the whole person.


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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:28 PM
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102. I thought homophobic was a "fear" of gay people?
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 03:20 PM by TxRider
I fall into that category for fear of gay men, but not really by choice.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:31 PM
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103. Maybe it's the people who don't have ANY sex are the ones who are disgusted?
Like this guy.............

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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:26 PM
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115. Now, that's a dude magnet there!
:rofl:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 02:36 PM
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104. No.
I have no interest in seeing two dudes go at it. Just like they most likely wouldn't want to watch me and a lady in action.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:18 PM
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108. Depends
If the person is also disgusted by straight sex then perhaps said person is just not a fan of sex.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:20 PM
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109. Only if it's Tom DeLay fucking Dick Cheney
And then, the disgust has nothing to do with the gay aspect of it.
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Piwi2009 Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:05 PM
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111. If you mean anal sex

I think involving THAT body part in sex IS pretty disgusting, for straights/gays alike. I wish gay guys had an orifice besides THAT one so they could-er um well YOU KNOW.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:15 PM
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114. This poll explains a lot about this place lately.
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 04:15 PM by Starry Messenger
There are answers here that would fit right in on Free Republic. I can't wait for the day that gay people have their civil rights and can be free and open. I hope it just curdles every hater who has to keep their mouth shut or be condemned by civilized society.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:39 PM
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117. Two dudes is disgusting
two chicks is HOT!

Does that mean only half homophobic?
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:45 PM
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118. Locking
Although there is some reasonable discussion here, we have concluded that the framing of this issue in the OP is inflammatory. It is generating bad feelings, suspicion and arguments which greatly detract from any reasonable discussion.

cbayer
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