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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:08 PM
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The LIBERAL MAJORITY and How to WIN With It.
One constant theme which needs dealing with is the idea that the country is more conservative than liberal and that centrists are needed to hold off horrible conservative things from happening.


More than that, this is an argument for oligarchy. What I see is that the majority of people, in poll after poll, want single payer. A huge majority want the public option, yet odds are decent you won't even get that.


When people talk of left-center coalitions the center part include a large number of Senators (like Diane Feinstein) who won't do what the majority of their constituents want them to do. At this point centrist = captured by monied interests.


Odds are if Obama wanted single payer, the House could pass it. It'd be close, but they could get it done. The House is the more representative body of the two bodies, the Senate is deliberately retrograde.


When I look at the US what I see is a banana republic, because it doesn't act like a democracy. I see people who think that the Senate, or even the House, actually does what the American people want. Again and again, Congress does things that the majority disagree with. In 2006 the Dems were elected to end the war in Iraq, for example, and refused to do so (though again, the House at least went through the motion, the Senate didn't even make an effort). Oh, Congress will sometimes do what the majority want—when that's what it was going to do anyway.


The plan to fix this is simple enough and always has been.


Obama was a right wing democrat and this was clear early. This was clear even in the primaries and certainly into the election. Once he was chosen as the nominee the best idea was to not to work for him or give him money, because he could win or lose without netroots or progressive support (it was a drop in the bucket compared to what he was getting elsewhere and was not decisive for him), and to instead take that time and money and spend it on electing progressive members of Congress, where that amount of money and volunteers could be decisive.


People who hold progressive and liberal policy views are a much larger proportion of the population than the right wing crazies are, they are in fact a majority of the population, though you'd never know it from listening to the gnashing of teeth of some folks.


If the right wing crazies could capture the Republican party, liberals and progressives, who already make up the largest block in the House, and who massively outnumber Blue Dogs, can certainly do the same to the Democratic party.


If, of course, they stop telling themselves self-excusing lies about how the country doesn't agree with them on basic issues like healthcare, when, in fact, the country does. Americans may not call themselves liberals, but when you look at their actual policy positions they are more liberal on most (not all, but most) issues than they are conservative. That's a gap in self-perception it should be possible to jump.


It takes real work for the centrists and right wing to keep Liberals and Progressives down. Notice that almost all of Obama's whipping is towards the left, towards progressives, not to the right. The right wing of the Democratic party is more or less doing what he wants (forget the rhetoric, again, look at who he and Rahm whip), it's the left wing he's scared of, because if they got their act together they could stop him from passing anything. The Blue Dogs in the House do not currently have a veto, the Progressives, if they want to use it, do. And that's why they get the back side of Obama and Rahm's hand so often.


The left is the most dangerous force in American politics today. The entire resources of the lobbying industry and of centrist Democratic interests are required to keep it in check, not just during legislative season, but during elections, when the DCCC and the DSCC do their very best to make sure that progressives don't win primaries, and when they do, that they're starved of resources.


So time to spine up. If you're a left wing Democrat, you belong to the scariest force in American politics. The crazy right will have some good cycles yet to come, mainly due to Democratic establishment incompetence and preference for mushy middle candidates but demographics are against them. Don't write Republicans off yet, but they are failing. You—the left—is the rising force, and everyone in the center and the right, is doing everything they can to keep you down.


Don't let them, and don't believe lies about how you're some tiny minority whom the American people don't agree with.


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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:20 PM
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1. K&R....n/t
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:22 PM
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2. What we need is a plan.
The senators don't seem to care about primary or electoral challenges. Not so long as they have that vast corporate war chest to play with.

Obama would probably be even harder to press. He has the capability to manipulate public opinion at will. If he really came out for real health care, and said things he did during his campaign in his speeches, we would see a shift. But he doesn't. How can we make him?
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:42 PM
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4. The feeling I get AFTER I surrendered my vote for a Democratic candidate is the feeling
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 09:45 PM by Segami
of being flipped the bird and the campaign promises won't ever see the light of day. We control the WH, the Senate and Congress and yet, we seem to be spinning our wheels like we're in the minority with the republicans & blue dogs (who are boldly making demands ) being in the majority. The progressives need to start pushing back to get their voices heard. I believe there exists overwhelming PUBLIC support for a single payer and /or public option to which BOTH sides seem to be suppressing.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:40 PM
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3. I don't agree
The majority seem to liberal on social issues, but conservative on fiscal policies.

Health care straddles both.

Fear of cost is what keeps health care from being supported by an overwhelming amount of Americans.

The plan needs to be one that doesn't grow the deficit whatever it is to gain majority support from the people.

And Obama is on point with that saying he won't sign a bill that does. Trouble is not enough people believe him. He needs to convince them and it's over.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:08 PM
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5. lol he needs the money for his wars without end amen nt
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:00 AM
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6. Time to shut down these wars and start taking care of our own people's needs
instead of lining the pockets of the Defense Contractors and their shareholders.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:50 AM
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7. I'm waiting to see when will ' progressives views ' be given
consideration over blue dog drivel in these discussions?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 05:57 AM
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8. Perfect example of our failure to break through the noisemakers. When Democrats don't know
that a single payer system costs far less than we pay now while covering everybody, it is our fault.

Single payer (or non-profit) universal health care is the fiscally conservative position!


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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:28 AM
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10. They just might begin to understand such costs once they tune out the healthscare white noise.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:19 PM
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12. Except a majority of Americans support a public option
Fear of Insurance Industry Cash is what keeps health care from passing.
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GivePeaceAchance Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 05:57 AM
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9. A very empowering article, folks have the power to stop regressive bills in their tracks. Big +1
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 06:05 AM by GivePeaceAchance
The main message here is, stay organized the wind of change is still behind our backs almost regardless of who's Executive office not likely to slow down soon.
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:37 AM
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11. I Agree with you - I will not support anymore centrist that will not support
a single payer or public option. I will not give any more money to DCCC for they do shit for us. I already told them I will not them money unless they support the people.
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