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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:20 PM
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My Health Care Story.
I've now been inactive here for so long that most of you have probably forgotten who I am. The birth of our daughter back in the summer of 2007 led to a drastic decline in the amount of free time I had to piss away on the internet, and then I sort of went on sabbatical from politics after Obama's inauguration. I'm still not sure why. I just lost my desire to put the time and effort into my political writing. Who knows, maybe I just needed a rest.

But, like just about everyone else in the USA, I have a health care story. It's not one that I have had a particularly burning desire to tell. It's unlike most other health care stories in that it doesn't have a lot to do with the insurance industry per se. But I do think it might offer some insight into why it's health care, in particular, that seems to have popped the top off this country's can of carbonated craziness.

This past spring, as our daughter PJ approached her second birthday, my partner and I started talking about having a second child. It had always been our plan for me to carry #2. We knew this would involve fertility treatments because since the age of 18 I had had a condition called polycystic ovarian syndrome, one of the symptoms of which is that you don't ovulate regularly. So I went to the doctor, and he sent me off to do a series of tests. Based on the results of the first test I was scheduled for an endometrial biopsy. My ob-gyn assured me at the time that it was probably just hyperplasia (overgrowth of the uterine lining, something I already knew I had) and not cancer, because after all I was only 40 and endometrial cancer is a disease of older women.

A few days later my ob-gyn called with the results of the biopsy. And that was the end of my life before cancer.

A few weeks later I was unconscious in the OR while a five-armed robot removed my uterus, cervix, and ovaries. For a month after that I was not able to do much apart from lie there and try to heal. I had been directed not to lift anything heavier than 5 pounds for 4 weeks, which of course would rule out lifting my 25-pound toddler. That was very difficult for both of us, but we got a calendar and we marked off every day until we got to the first post-operation checkup. The doctor said I had healed well, and that I could pick her up now, and that in a couple weeks I could resume all my normal activities.

Throughout the whole process, my doctor was very pleased with how everything went. My ectomied organs indicated that the cancer had not progressed beyond the lining of the uterus, and that it was almost certainly entirely removed by the operation. The operation itself apparently went perfectly. I healed up with no complications. All of this, of course, was an immeasurable relief to both of us. We got a lot of support from family and friends and from our church. All of this makes me very lucky. That, and the fact that I have health insurance.

My insurance paid for about 95% of all this. I am still, however, out several thousand dollars, what with deductibles and copays and medication and whatnot. This is worth pointing out. Your insurance, typically, will pay *most* of your medical bills. It does not pay all of them. If I had been living closer to the brink of ruin, as many people are these days, this crisis would have created some serious financial problems for me on top of the existential ones.

What existential ones, you say. Well, here's the main one: I've finally realized that I'm going to die.

I'm most likely not going to die of endometrial cancer. Endometrial cancer has a very good survival rate and mine was caught early. But going through what I went through around this brought me face to face with mortality in a way that nothing else ever had. Intellectually, of course, I always knew that humans are mortal and that I will not live forever. But I didn't understand it emotionally and psychologically until now. And I have to say, I'm finding it surprisingly difficult to integrate this knowledge into my regular life. Being aware, as I am now, that my life is of unknown but definitely finite duration, ought to make me more dedicated to making every moment of it count. And yet, I still have to go to work, I still have to cook and take care of PJ and pay bills, I still have to do all that stuff we do because we are thinking of the future and which little by little steals the present moment away from us. I mean look at me now, sitting here typing up this thing.

What's even worse: everyone I love or care about is going to die too.

It seems like since I got my diagnosis, the whole world is coming down with cancer. An old friend of mine has had a breast cancer recurrence after 8 years. An old friend's father has suddenly been diagnosed with Stage 4 melanoma. An old friend of my mother's is dying of lymphoma. And on and on. Some of them will recover and some of them won't. But we'll all be living the rest of our lives in Cancerland, where the illness we're surviving--for the time being--hisses through our brains in all its metaphorical malice, reminding us that no matter where we are or what we're doing or how we feel, deep within our bodies, death can always break out. And one day, it will.

Anyway, going through this mess while the health care debate is going on has suggested to me something that I don't think I've seen anyone talk about yet: that as much as we all talk about money, at the bottom of it all, a lot of the craziness around health care reform has to do with Americans' collective and, I think, peculiarly intense fear of death.

The panic about "death boards" is perhaps the most concrete example of this. But I think that underneath a lot of the resistance to "rationing" (yes, I know, private health care is rationed too, you don't have to convince me, moving on now) health care is driven by panic about the end of life. I think that one of the elements of our culture's dominant capitalist belief system is the deluded assumption that if you spend enough money, you need never die. As long as you can afford the best health care money can buy, then your body can be kept alive indefinitely. Spare no expense, and you can always extend your time one more week, one more day.

Of course many people realize they don't have that kind of money, right now. But that doesn't matter. Politics are what they are in this country because so many of those without money identify so strongly with those who have money. They believe that one day, they too will become rich. And even if they donn't, surely when it came to a crisis like this, the money would somehow be found to pay for that expensive life-saving treatment. The only thing to fear would be a system in which that magical treatment was not available to them because the evil government was trying to enforce its socialist pseudo-equality by preventing people from paying for special expensive live-saving treatments not covered by the government's diabolical insurance plan.

It sounds crazy, perhaps. But I think there are a lot of Americans out there convinced that right now they can buy eternal life, and that if health care becomes a public rather than a private enterprise, then eternal life won't be for sale any more. Because we all know that in a government-run economy, all the *good* stuff gets forced into the black market.

It's not an idea that can have any political utility; and maybe that's one reason I haven't been wanting to write about politics these days. It's a purely philosohpical argument: that our culture would be wiser, and our politics healthier, if we all truly understood what it means to be mortal. But that's what I've been thinking about, while I sit here not posting.

I'll tell you what I do know, coming out of this, which I think does have a political application.

Some cancers have good survival rates and some are pretty much going to kill you. But for cancers that start out in organs that aren't considered vital--the uterus, the cervix, the breasts, the ovaries, the skin--it's always better for the patient (and, for those who care, cheaper for the system) if you detect it early, before it spreads and when it's still operable. The only way you are going to detect these cancers early is by getting regular checkups with your doctors and going through regular screenings for cancers that you're at risk for. And if you cannot afford routine medical care, as most people who are uninsured or underinsured can't, and you develop cancer, it's a good bet you will not find it until it's no longer curable. And that's before we get into the question of how, if you're uninsured or underinsured, you pay for cancer treatment even if you *do* find it in time.

I'm alive now, and almost certainly cancer-free, because I have health insurance. If I had been unemployed last year, I would never have found this in time and it might well have killed me. And that's just fucking wrong. Why should I live, and someone else with the same cancer die, just because I have a job with benefits and she doesn't?

I hear a lot of talk about single payer this and public option that and Republican support my ass and so on and so forth. I have not yet had the patience or fortitude to dedicate myself to following the conversation closely enough to enter it. All I can say is what I know: We cannot defeat death, but it's not impossible that someday we may eventually defeat injustice. Universal health care would be a big step. And as far as I'm concerned, if the business of health care remains in the hands of private insurance companies and for-profit hospitals, then whatever changes are made, that will not be "health care reform." That will come under the heading of "yet more of this bullshit."

It's my hope, anyway, that Obama's team recognizes this and that they will pull through in the end. Meanwhile, I have to figure out how to make the rest of my finite life meaningful, and that's a job in itself. But I'm still here, and I'm not dead yet, and I hope the rest of you are well.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:27 PM
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1. Plaidder! Let me be the first to welcome you back!
Wish it were under happier circumstances. :(
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:28 PM
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2. it's good to hear your voice again.
And I'm so glad you are here.

:hug:


blu~
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:29 PM
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3. I think you're absolutely right that it's the fear of death that make people crazy in talking about
this -- and I'd add that the ignorance or denial that we're all going to die is one of the things that makes people so greedy and terrible. If you're ever feeling low on compassion, spend a day thinking in the back of your mind that every person -- every person you love, dislike, interact with, talk to on the phone, see on television, listen to on the radio -- is dying. We're all dying. All the time. Right now. And because of that, we should treat each other as kindly as possible.

You're in my thoughts. This was well said.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:30 PM
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4. My dear Plaid Adder!
I'm truly grateful that you're still here, even if only fitfully. And of course, you are right on target with your remarks.

We cannot defeat death, but it's not impossible that someday we may eventually defeat injustice. This sentence has so much truth to it. I salute your clear, sensible thinking.

And you know, I had not considered our fear of death to be such a motivating factor in our health care, but what you've said makes a whole lot of sense.

Thank you for your contributions to our mental health!

K&R

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:31 PM
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5. Holy crap, did your thread just rock my world.
First, I am so happy you are ok now, and yeah, I remember you well...welcome back. Second, although Ted Kennedy was not a personal friend, I took his death hard. You are correct, that we think if we get medical coverage, we'll live forever. At least that's what I thought until Ted was taken from us. Granted, he was 77, but with all his wealth and care, he could not survive cancer. His death hit me harder than my own mother's death from cancer and my dad's from a cerebral hemorrhage.

Thanks for writing this because what you wrote has been on my mind since August but you were able to bring it out and describe it brilliantly.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:32 PM
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6. Glad you're okay
Give Little Plaid a hug for me, and stay well!

:hug:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:34 PM
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7. What an ordeal. I'm so sorry that you had to go through it and I'm very glad that you are well.
Fortunately, it sounds like you had very good insurance. Many of us, myself included, have no infertility coverage on our insurance and may never have had those preliminary tests.

My very best wishes as you continue to heal both physically and emotionally.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:36 PM
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8. Thank you for your post
you have been missed. :hug: to you and yours.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:36 PM
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9. Good post. Damn, I've missed you.
:hug:
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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:38 PM
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10. Thanks for sharing your story.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:39 PM
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11. Welcome back and you are correct as to the
fear of death with Americans... it is part of the culture...

Me... I am not afraid of it, but I grew up in a culture where we give skulls to each other on the day of the death...

And death is ever present.

But the US... it is distant, it is to be feared and you are correct, part of the problem is this incredible fear of what happens to all of us... and it starts happening ten seconds after you are born. I guess the first ten are more like breath, you got to breath now... oh god it is BRIGHT AND COLD.

Oh and hug your daughter for me, and no, not all of us have forgotten you.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:41 PM
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12. Who could forget you when your writing shimmers with jewels like this:

"We cannot defeat death, but it's not impossible that someday we may eventually defeat injustice."

Welcome back.
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:48 PM
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13. First of all, best wishes for your future well being.
It is amazing what a near death experience or a serious and chronic illness can do to the psyche. You're 100% about the ability of greedy insurance companies, paid for politicians and our health care system in general to decide who lives and who dies. I lost my job a year ago and employers don't exactly line up to hire a 53 year old with heart disease and neurological problems. If my wife didn't still have a job that provides insurance, I wouldn't be able to get regular check ups and the medicines that I need to take the rest of my life. We're still better off than so many Americans cast aside by the healthcare system that is in place in the US. The value of human life has been replaced by sheer economic considerations. Okay, now I'm starting to get too pissed off to think about what I want to say after reading your story and knowing what it is like firsthand.
Once again; continued health for you after your experience.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:59 PM
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14. Best wishes to you, Plaid and thanks for sharing your story .
You are so right about the goal of defeating the injustice of the current health care system.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:03 PM
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15. As you get stronger, you will have so much to share with all of us
Good wishes in your recovery.. :hug:
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:05 PM
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16. Welcome back.
:thumbsup:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:10 PM
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17. Welcome back, Plaid Adder!
:hug: I definitely missed reading you.

So glad that you are healthy now and can enjoy lifting PJ again.
We cannot defeat death, but it's not impossible that someday we may eventually defeat injustice.

Amen, sister. :applause:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:18 PM
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18. Welcome Back! Thank you for the story.
I'm glad you are now cancer free and have been able to resume your life again.

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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:20 PM
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19. welcome back, wishing all of you healing and good health
wonderfully thoughtful post. :hug:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:20 PM
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20. Your contribution to this board is exceptional and meaningful.
Do not underestimate its value and the effect that you have already had upon others.

:hi: :hug:
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:22 PM
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21. Like we could forget you! Good to see you again.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:23 PM
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22. Welcome back. Happy you got through this!
:hug:
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:27 PM
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23. I see you still have a way with words that makes my spirit soar and my Heart Feel.
:)
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:38 PM
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24. Welcome back!
Had it not been for my Medicare I wouldn't have gone to the doctor for what I thought was just another case of bronchitis, and they wouldn't have found my lung cancer at an early stage. Long story short, I have the Medicare precisely because of the kind of injustice of which you speak, and I am profoundly aware of the fact that I would be dead without it. Especially since I've lost people I love to the ravages of that injustice and its favorite accomplice, greed.

Your little one knows that she is loved; in that you have already made your life meaningful. Everything else is gravy.

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:43 PM
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25. We've missed you. Hang in there.
:hug:
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:55 PM
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26. Good to see you back.
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 04:56 PM by Kat45
And I hope you will feel compelled to contribute to the discussion on DU more often. You had a lot to say in this post.

I had a similar situation as you: endometrial cancer discovered when the cancer cells were microscopic. If I hadn't had a job with good health insurance then, my situation also would be very different now. Had the surgery and I'm fine now. Unfortunately, my job was eliminated in December and I have so far been unable to find a job with health insurance. I am fortunate that I live in Massachusetts and I'm getting subsidized insurance through the state. It's not a Cadillac plan but it's ok. But when I see the budget woes in the state, I'm constantly worried that the state will decide to no longer pay for this. As a single woman with no children, I would likely be one of the first cut from the rolls.
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SocratesInSpirit Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:59 PM
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27. Hi... it's good to see you posting again
I'm mostly a lurker, but I just wanted to tell you I've always admired your posts. They're very well-written, intelligent, and always gave me great food for thought. And this post offered an interesting perspective I had not considered - I believe you may well be on to something! We are absurdly fearful of death in this culture.

What you just wrote especially resonated with me, as I am due to have an "atypical" mole removed and biopsied next week (I have fair skin and have suffered lots of sunburns in the past, so I am constantly on the alert for odd moles), and I am also due to have a KT scan on my lungs (had an "unidentified spot on my lung" scare a year ago, and this is a routine follow up to make sure everything's still cool).

I, too, have always thought it unjust that because I have a job with benefits, I have access to preventative care that could potentially save my life, while another person might not be as lucky, and therefore could die of a treatable disease. And all due to the unholy greed of the insurance industry and the utter selfishness of those Americans who, when it comes down to it, have the attitude of "I've got mine, screw you."

I wish you and your family well. :)
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 05:20 PM
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28. Welcome back
I've missed you.

We cannot defeat death, but it's not impossible that someday we may eventually defeat injustice.


:applause:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 05:52 PM
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29. who are you? ;)
Thank you for this challenging, and hopeful story. You are a trooper!

Hang in there and thanks for helping the cause for full coverage for all.

:applause:

DD (formerly themartyred)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 06:10 PM
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30. usually I rec 1st on your posts, but I read this one all the way to the bottom
knowing the rec button would be waiting for me.

sorry you've been ill, glad everything went well and welcome BACK!!

yes, Americans have turned into frightened children in our lifetimes. how the hell did it happen?

when did the Universe we (Americans) live in stop being large and abundant and shrink down to this paltry place where there is never enough?

sigh.

none the less, thanks for finding your voice again, thanks for sharing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 06:41 PM
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31. Very powerful, Plaid Adder. Thanks for sharing. nt
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 06:49 PM
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32. Welcome back ...
... and you're right about "consumers" thinking they can buy themselves back to health, even to the point of immortality. It's one of the more severe symptoms of our consumer oriented society. People feel like they ought to be able to buy anything, that it's all about money. It's like the students who get poor grades in college and complain to the dean because they paid for those classes so they deserve better grades. When they graduate and don't get hired they sue the university, because a degree is supposed to have been an investment in their future, and investments are supposed to pay off.

We need to see ourselves as something other than financial entities for life to make any sense at all.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:31 PM
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33. Well done!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:43 PM
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34. Delighted that you are going to be able to be there for PJ n/t
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:47 PM
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35. So glad you are back here posting at DU!
(I'm the DUer formerly know as WakeMeUp in case you missed the renaming frenzy after the election)

First of all, WOW! What a story! I am so happy that you are once again healthy. Talk about a tremendous scare. It sounds like you have weathered it with your usual wit and charm! ;)

You may not believe this, but I was thinking about you the other day and considered PMing you, but then my daughter distracted me and the thought went right out of my head. I was wishing you would post again.

You are so right about facing mortality. I've faced it in more ways than one - mine and my husband's. I'm not sure which one is worse.

Lastly, :hug: :hug: :hug:

:hi:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 08:42 PM
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36. First, I'm Glad You Are Here, Plaid!
Second, I think there would be a lot less fear of death, if people felt they were getting a fair chance at a life worth living, and some sense of accomplishment. It would be hell to be dying, and realize that not only did one not get anything to show for it, but it wasn't even fun.

I know I've accomplished some stuff, not the stuff I originally set out wanting to do, but important stuff nonetheless. I'm proud of what I've gotten through, and wish to get some of the real goodies of life, too. For example, the only male who ever loved me, in my estimation, was a neutered Labrador Retriever. That hurts. Especially as I'm not particularly a dog lover...I have either poor taste in men, or a poor selection to choose from...

I've had some fun, good memories, and I expect to organize some more. I've had friends, no one life-long, but who does, these days, when everybody moves so much?

At 54, I'm not ready to go, but I am getting a life under my belt, and helping my daughters to get theirs.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:34 PM
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37. good to see you again
I am so sorry you have been going through such a struggle, but glad the outcome is positive. I always enjoyed your posts and hope you will feel like continuing them.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:40 PM
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38. You could never be forgotten ...

I'm sorry to hear of your struggles, but heartened to read your voice.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:56 PM
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39. Definitely Not Forgotten
You're on my buddy list buddy!:) :hug: :yourock:
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:58 PM
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40. Thank you for sharing that story.
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chloesmom Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:00 PM
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41. You've been sorely missed!
So glad to read your post and hope that you will post again.
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:17 PM
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42. K&R for Plaid!
Dear Plaidder,

Neither you nor your words and insights were forgotten while you were away, and I am VERY glad to read that you are back, regaining your health, and again sharing your incisive observations!

Congrats on the little Adder - keep loving and teaching her, and your life is bound to grow further in meaning. Thanks always,

-app
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:40 PM
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43. That's One Hell of a Comeback PA!!! Thank You for
taking the time to post your intimate and compelling insight on Health Reform. I am so glad you were diagnosed early and just as glad to have you back here at DU. Please don't disappear again.

And there is absolutely no fucking way we'd have forgotten you!

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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:44 PM
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44. Well, if you're right about this…
I think there are a lot of Americans out there convinced that right now they can buy eternal life


Then one would certainly think that Ted Kennedy's death would have gone a long way toward convincing them otherwise.

Inspiring story. Not a single day goes by that I don't think about mortality — my own, and my husband's, in particular.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:47 PM
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45. Welcome back, The Plaid Adder
And thank you so much for sharing your story. Best wishes to you and yours.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:04 PM
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46. You are spot on. A group of Tea Party...
people were protesting in my town. At the center of the group a very elderly lady sat in a wheelchair with a sign
reading "Obama's Death Panels Want to Kill Me." This woman was easily in her eighties and I couldn't help but
wonder is she gave a damn about the young families without coverage. It was just the most selfish image I'd seen in
a while. But, they are terrified of their own mortality. So much so that the very logical act of discussing end of life
wishes with their physician is beyond what they're capable of.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:12 PM
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47. Oh, Plaiddy, I'm so sorry for what you have been through.
Thank you for letting us know you are still around. :hug:
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:17 PM
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48. Welcome Back PA
Great to see you here again. Wish you and your family health in the future.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:20 PM
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49. not only afraid of death
but afraid of experiencing death while poor in America.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:28 PM
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50. good to see you
:patriot:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:20 AM
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51. The "I am truly mortal" epiphany came to me when I had a health crisis in my 20's.
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 12:21 AM by pnwmom
I think you're on to something -- much of the problem comes from people who are in deep, deep denial. They are either people who think they can buy health, or who think that they are just immune from the bad stuff happening (poor health, job loss, poverty, etc.)

And then it happens anyway.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:48 AM
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52. Welcome home...
Thank you for taking the time to share with us...
A very meaningful and heartfelt post of wisdom....on life.
Continued good health to you...
As we continue to keep the faith that all will have insurance...
Hope. Patience. Peace.

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 02:22 AM
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53. Welcome back!!
Your topic has been on my mind lately and the way you state how you have come to deal with it is exceptional. Be here long. Be well long.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 02:38 AM
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54. Well, clearly you were not forgotten
Your post really hit home with me. "Fear of death" has been a major influence for people throughout history, in both positive and negative ways.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 04:52 AM
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55. A deep and thoughtful post
Thank goodness you are free of cancer!

But so sorry that you will not be able to bear your second child :-(

Good luck to the three of you (maybe 4 sometime)
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 08:30 AM
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56. You, forgotten?
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 08:31 AM by wovenpaint
I'm happy to see you again as I've always enjoyed reading your posts.
It's also good to know that we'll be reading more of them to come. Thank you for this thought provoking essay.
Wishing you a happy and healthy future! :hi:



edited for typo
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 08:36 AM
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57. Great to see you!
:hi: Thank you so much for your story. I'm very glad you're going to be around for PJ. Hang in there. :hug:
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 08:41 AM
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58. Welcome back Plaid Adder! Congratulations on that beautiful girl!
Thank you for posting this. Definitely an angle I have not heard anyone put into words. I especially like your comment that "Why should I live, and someone else with the same cancer die, just because I have a job with benefits and she doesn't?" That says a lot. The health insurance lottery I call it.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 08:50 AM
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59. PA, wonderful to hear from you again! :-)
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 08:57 AM
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60. Thank you so much for writing this...
This is what is missing from the healthcare debate...the human EMOTIONAL element. Emotion is what makes us human and right now most of what we are seeing/hearing is a lot of unexplained negative emotions. Keep writing from this perspective..it is the key to winning the issue IMO. I am so glad that you are well and I hope you continue to fight the good fight because that may well be what makes life truly meaningful.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 10:34 AM
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61. Welcome back
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:34 AM
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62. The thing underlying the special American fear of death is our obssession with
individuality. We are seperate, to an extent no other culture does. This means that death, the great unindividualizer, is to us, a far bigger threat. This fear of end of ego, is unfathomable, to an american. So, any even fleeting mention of disease, casues us, even with family, to quickly think of the reasons why we wont do likewise, at least until forever. And if youll notice, most of the teabaggers either have few years left, or are in the kind of shape, to guarantee an early death. I faced, and still face an early death. Work related. Bush lie also. BPA in plastics. No ins. And without ins, and unable to work, with the SS DIS system denying almost all, until you sue. I think we should have people, agreeing to be filmed, as they die of easily handled medical problems, cuz they didnt have ins.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:41 AM
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63. Yes, I've been wanting more debate about HEALTH CARE -- the way(s) we can include most, if not all,
Americans -- woman, man, child -- in at minimally a yearly check-up.

I realize that leads to "how we gonna pay for dat" which leads to "f=k the insurance companies," but this has been on my mind.
But if all this yelling and screaming was about health CARE and not insurance, would anybody be against CARE? As in good ol' preventative care?
Dunno.

Yes, many who are screaming and yelling cling desperately to "keep mine" as if somebody without insurance (and I won't even go to who they think that is) lurks around the corner, waiting to wrestle them to the ground and take their insurance, hence... killing them. Yes, they do believe change means death.

I'm glad you brought it up. You're have always been a DU-head with great voice. Thanks for using it now.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:35 PM
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64. Making the rest of our finite lives meaningful
Indeed. My brother in law was diagnosed with a stage 4 glioblastoma (what Teddy Kennedy had) at age 49. The specialists
gave him 6 months. He said to hell with that diagnosis. He gave up his work, took all kinds of treatments, went for
strenuous hikes in the woods, rode his bike, basically stole two extra years while the Grim Reaper was looking the
other way. Of course, as a German citizen, he had no financial worries about his teatments and operations. He had little
money, and the hundreds of thousands in bills would have wiped him out in some other countries I know.

I won my own game of "Beat the Reaper" about 5 years ago, if, as you pointed out, only temporarily. I was once asked
to give a speech about my near-miss. I ended it by saying that I remembered that Harry Truman liked to quote a grave
marker he saw in Tombstone, Arizona: "Here lies Jack Williams. He done his damndest." I addressed the listeners by
telling them that I didn't know if I had forty years left or forty minutes (still don't), but in the time I had left,
I planned to do my damndest, and that whatever excuse anyone present might have for not doing the same, it wasn't good
enough. I see you have adopted a similar attitude. Keep it up.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:49 PM
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65. Glad you're here and doing well. I can relate to much of what you say,
because I am having a hysterectomy very soon for fibroid tumors and excessive bleeding--my endometrial biopsy never yielded any conclusive answers, so I do worry about what they'll really find once they take a look at my uterus in the lab. Would I be having this surgery at all, if I didn't have health insurance and had to pay for it myself? No. I'd keep taking iron supplements and just living with the anemia and the shame of bleeding through my protection and clothing for weeks out of every month. Thank God I have the option of ending my misery, many women don't.

As for feeling mortal, realizing that death is not as far away as we think--I very stupidly took out the asbestos pipe insulation in my cellar without enough research or precautions, not even the right kind of face mask, and I've been living with the awful regret and guilt and fear from that horrible decision for many days now. I obsess that dust and fibers got into the rest of the house, that my kids might have breathed in the fibers, that I and my husband did, that we're all doomed to fatal cancer, no matter how much I clean or throw away (all my area rugs--very expensive) or dust or mop or use HEPA air purifiers. All this to save a few thousand dollars. I'd give anything to go back in time and make the right decision to call the pros and spend the money--I'd be in debt, but at least have some peace of mind. But what's done is done, it's something I have to live with forever, and I won't know until years down the road just how much damage we potentially caused to our lungs and bodies, which is a dreadful and unbearable thought, and yet--something else could blindside us, too. Heart disease, car accidents (my sons will be driving soon--so scared of that), other cancers, etc. I've been frightened and depressed for days, grappling with these thoughts. Must be a universal turning-40 thing. Hope you and yours stay well, good luck.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:54 PM
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66. Dear Plaid Adder...welcome back...
You don't know me but you are a lot of the reason I liked DU so much I finally joined. It was your wonderful mind and your to-the-point articles. Thanks :)
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 02:14 PM
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67. Nice to see your name again!
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 02:19 PM by Uben




When my wife got breast cancer in 2003, our world turned upside down. No different than anyone else who has to face this. I lost my dad to cancer in 1990, and when the pathology came back on my wife, I was sure I was going to lose her, too. Feeling powerless to change this situation, I began to educate myself with everything I could find about her particular cancer. I read and read and read. And soon, I began to realize, we can beat this! She went on to have a double mastectomy with immediate reconstruction and all seemed fine as her margins were clean. Approximately a yr later, on Christmas day, she awoke and found her torso from neck to waste was red! I took her to the ER and the rash was diagnosed as scarlet fever (this is usually a result of an untreated strep infection). The infection had attached to the implants, and both had to be immediately removed. Bummersville! We waited a year and found a brilliant young surgeon (referred by a doctor friend who was deploying to Iraq). He did an immaculate job! My wife refused chemo and radiation, and stopped taking the maintenance drugs after a few weeks because they were ruining her life, as she put it. And, if she did have a reoccurence, they would just put her back on the drugs anyway.

Well, that was six 1/2 yrs ago, and everything has been just great since. SHe hasn't even been to a doctor in three years! Our insurance is another story. While they did pay as expected, our monthly premium has tripled since the cancer, now at $1550/mo. We can afford that, but how many average Americans can? Most of my life, I didn't even make that much a month! And since we now have a pre-existing condition, we have no choice but to pay the high premiums. I hope we get some relief for HCR. Fingers crossed.

On the upside, we have since inherited a large sum of money, and were both able to retire and spend everyday together for the rest of our lives, however long that may be.

















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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 03:10 PM
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68. So glad to see you're back, and OK,
Plaid Adder. I've missed your posts.

And what a health care story! It's a shock when you expect "no big deal" test results and they turn out to be much worse! I'm so glad you made it thru safely and I join you in wondering "why can't everyone have the same chance?"

I too had a hysterectomy, in 2005, and guess I was even lluckier on the money part. Due to my Medicare Advantage, I ended up paying exactly zero for the whole operation. They'd mentioned a co-pay, and when I asked in the office how much it would be, they said "$20," but they didn't even bother to bill me for that.

And I'm uncomfortably aware that this Medicare Advantage violates my politics, and if we get real health system reform it may have to go, but the protection against nasty financial surprises makes it pretty much the best choice for me now. To get the same coverage with plain Medicare, I'd have to pay (again, a private insurance company) over $300 a month, which I can ill afford.

Anyhow, excuse me for including my own rant. It's great to hear about little PJ, too. I hope to read more of your posts here before long.
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 03:10 PM
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69. An American tragedy
Not only what insureds go through but this.

" if the business of health care remains in the hands of private insurance companies and for-profit hospitals, then whatever changes are made, that will not be "health care reform." That will come under the heading of "yet more of this bullshit."
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Zix Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 03:46 PM
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70. I have never heard of you. You are, however, clearly awesome.

I'm very glad that your cancer was caught in the early stages and I'm very VERY glad you're communicating your feelings and observations about it. Good for you and all the best for you, your family and the rest of your life, may it be long and fruitful enough for thoughts of death to fade away into your mental box of "accepted nuisances", such as all of us maintain... I've seen a bit of death somewhat before the time I suppose I should have (If I'd been asked when I was young I would have expected to start worrying about such things until I was 60) but I've come to realise that life, though finite, is not short, as some say, but actually quite long, and filled with many wonderful things.

Blessings on you and thank you for your thoughtful post.

Z
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 03:47 PM
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71. Brava ! Awesome post.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 03:49 PM
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72. Hey! HI! Nice to see you and thank you for your post and glad you are ok
Wonderful post, thank you so much. Hugs to you and yours and thank you.
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:53 PM
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73. Damn, have we missed you, PA
So great to have you back sharing your brilliant insight and big heart.:hug: Bless you, sister!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 10:11 PM
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74. Such clarity of thought, and incredibly skilled writing.
My best wishes to you and your family. Thank you for sharing, and may good health grace you and your family for many, many years to come.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 10:31 PM
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75. SUGGESTION INSIDE -- (Glad you're back, such a good writer!)
You've been through so much lately. {hug}

The existential crisis of recognizing the *reality* of death is a familiar one -- I had it in a BAD way. I was vaguely familiar with Dr. Irvin Yalom as a big name in the "existential therapy" field, by way of his book "When Nietzsche Wept." But in no way was I prepared for what Dr. Yalom did for MY LIFE. He changed it. That sounds like so much pie-in-the-sky pablum, but it's the absolute truth.

I was told by someone familiar with Yalom, who knew of my personal demons (reality of d-e-a-t-h), that I needed to run - not walk - to the nearest bookstore and buy a book of Dr. Yalom's called Staring at the Sun: Overcoming the Terror of Death. I laughed. But, I thought about it a few days later and ended up ordering it from Amazon. When it arrived, I devoured the book in a single day and - I promise you this is true - I haven't had a single "chill up the spine" or a single demented moment (lasting longer than 10 seconds) in thinking about death since. I have always been a voracious reader, but not of the "self-help" kind; and this isn't really, it's far too meaty for that label, but I was skeptical until I read the first chapter. Long story short: This book literally changed my life and has given me a peace with death that I would have thought impossible just a year ago.

So, in this post, I'll tell you what I was told: Run - don't walk - to get Staring At The Sun. If you do this and read it - I would love to hear from you through a PM.

Best of luck to you, Plaid Adder.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:31 PM
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76. Thank goodness you are better, and able to talk about the importance of
access to medical treatment and the different expenses that would wipe out those living just above the fray. Thank you for sharing with us how and why reform can not be left in the hands of those benefiting from the status quo.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:54 PM
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77. Thanx, PA!!
:loveya:
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:42 PM
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78. I want to thank everyone before they lock the thread.
You all may not hear from me again for a while but I want you to know I appreciate everyone's responses. It's a little sobering to find out how many people either have had cancer or have lost somebody to it, but it's also good to hear everyone's stories.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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