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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:31 PM
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If the Nazis were Socialists then....
Sadam Husssein's Republican Guard must have been members of the GOP.

Something to throw at the the teabaggers, the Larouchers and the doo doo heads when they call Obama Hitler.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:41 PM
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1. The official name of North Korea might be a more useful example. ( n/t )
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:41 PM
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2. Yep, the Nazis were socialist in name only. Hitler actually hated
socialists and communists and persecuted them any chance he got. Today's Republicans are that in name only too. They are the party of corporate commercialism and there is nothing Republican about them anymore.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:55 PM
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3. "NAZI" was an abbreviation in German for National Socialist Workers Party.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:37 AM
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5. Before Hitler and his goons co-opted it, it actually was that.
But once they took over most of the original members, the real socialist workers left or were eliminated one way or the other. It's all in "The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich", which is pretty fascinating reading even today although it was published more than forty years ago.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 05:49 AM
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7. That worked out good for the workers. nt
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:02 AM
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4. Send them this:


Let's start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country - political, ethnic, religious - whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.

Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda !

But Nazi corporate ties extended well beyond Germany. It is an extraordinarily little known fact that in 1933 a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists plotted an armed coup against President Roosevelt and the US Constitutional form of government. The coup planners - all of them deeply hostile to socialism - were enthusiastic supporters of German national socialism and Italian fascism. Details of the little publicised Congressional report on the failed coup may be read in 1000 Americans:The Real Rulers of the USA by George Seldes.

Fascism, according to the American Heritage Dictionary (1983) is A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism. Italian philosopher Giovanni Gentile's entry in the Encyclopedia Italiana read: Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. No less an authority on fascism than Mussolini was so pleased with that definition that he later claimed credit for it.

Nevertheless, within certain US circles,the misconception remains that fascism is essentially left wing, and that the Nazis were socialists simply because of the "socialism" in their name. We wonder if respondents who insist on uncritically accepting the Nazis' cynical self-definition would be quite as eager to believe that the German Democratic Republic was democratic.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/faq#faq19

Make their heads :nuke:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 05:52 AM
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8. Correct. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 05:48 AM
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6. Solid point!
:rofl:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 05:54 AM
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9. Or just print out this
And tattoo it to their foreheads while they sleep. Backwards, of course, so when they look in a mirror they can read the signs.



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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 05:58 AM
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10. Hitler did nationalize industry. Which is a part of socialism.
But the Nazi party was far from being fundamentally socialist. In fact they attempted to purge Europe of socialists and communists.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:15 PM
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11. I don't think it is that black and white, is it?
What exactly constitutes nationalization? Exactly what aspects distinguish nationalization from fascist cooperation?

From what I've read, Hitler had a relationship with the industrialists that was to some extent cooperation and I don't believe he officially transferred ownership to the state, did he? He did exercise considerable control, effectively, but I believe it was ostensibly through cooperation rather than outright seizure.

It seems to me the claim that he nationalized the industries is mostly a rightwing talking point, but would definitely appreciate being educated if anyone has some reliable sources of details.

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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:31 PM
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12. And the 'Republicans' in the Spanish Civil War were leftists; terminology is fluid.
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