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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:39 PM
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poverty a genetic issue?
Are the rich really that disgusting as to claim some people are genetically doomed to be poor and therefore, born to live in squalor beneath them?
Yes they ARE that Evil.

They have already formed very scientific sounding theories around that genetic flaws cause a person to be born to be poor ..But at it's heart it justifies classism and that lie rich people are"better" bred than the rest of us.

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Scottish scientists have discovered a "poverty gene" which causes people from deprived areas to age rapidly and pass on health problems to the next generation. It might even explain negative attitudes to employment.

Deprivation can lead to an overactive immune system, which quickly uses up the body's supply of spare cells needed to keep aging at bay.

Most astonishing of all, it is suspected that a hyperactive immune system floods the brain with a cocktail of chemicals which suppress the natural desire for self-advancement.

The study, by the Glasgow Centre for Population Health, is the first time the full extent of the link between health, genetics and poverty has been looked at scientifically.
http://jackiedowd.blogspot.com/2006/05/doomed-to-failur...

More of this shit
http://wistechnology.com/articles/860 /
http://www.impactlab.com/2006/05/21/doomed-to-failure-d... /
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/121812.html


Where these "ideas" come from

http://tomweston.net/cultpov.htm
http://www.jameshartforcongress.com/prometheus/chapIII....
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No one willingly works for free, and slavery is clearly the legalization of theft, but it's one way in which the power elite who make up the laws can distort the process of government and use it to create the illusion of individualism, self-sufficiency, independence and freedom.

Throughout history the rich and powerful have colluded to use physical force and coercion to gain wealth by stealing it from others and then lying about how they did it.

All over the world, natural resources are being 'privatized,' and thus average people have no choice but to find a job or starve.

http://www.livableincome.org/ajobscausepoverty1.htm

How stupid do these wealthy out-of-touch parasite frauds think we are ? I have no pity for them,and no love for them either.
http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/wealthy-pe...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:57 PM
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1. Science isn't always politically correct.
Without supporting or denying the conclusions, it's an interesting argument.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:44 AM
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8. it's fascist crap.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:51 AM
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11. While I agree with the subject

I'm not so sure about the body. What about the millions of people who had to deal with disease over the past 7,000 years of history? None of them clawed their way out of poverty?

Seems like a dog chasing its tail hypothesis.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:09 PM
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2. Sounds like a lot of crap. All these things can be easily explained
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 10:10 PM by madeline_con
without the use of magic genetics.

"... negative attitudes to employment"

Considering the types of jobs that provide poverty level wages, this isn't surprising.

"Deprivation can lead to an overactive immune system, which quickly uses up the body's supply of spare cells needed to keep aging at bay."

Deprivation? Things like malnutrition, hunger and medical needs going unmet? These are inherent to poverty. Heightened vigilance is experienced by people who are more likely to be victimized by crime or abuse. It uses up spare cells and takes an extreme emotional toll.

"Most astonishing of all, it is suspected that a hyperactive immune system floods the brain with a cocktail of chemicals which suppress the natural desire for self-advancement."

This sounds like clinical depression, another illness that goes hand-in-hand with poverty.


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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:03 PM
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6. exactly!
I was too tired to get into the details and just ranted here after a long day, but I thought the exact things about depression and poor nutrition too!

Ya, the poor are chronically in a state of rolling a stone uphill and watching it roll down again, sometimes being rolled OVER by the freaking stone!
The assholes that came to these conclusions ought to have to live in this state for a few years with no hope of rescue or reprieve - they would see how fast depression and all the rest of these symptoms/illnesses/attitudes arise!
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:02 AM
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18. You know what the really dangerous thing
is about a lack of drive for self-advancement?

Those with money and corporate power have no control mechanism over one who lacks such a fundamental mechanism.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:55 AM
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14. Yep. This reminds me of that "disease" that scientists invented back in the 1800s to explain
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 12:55 AM by anonymous171
why slaves would want to run away from their masters.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:17 PM
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3. sheesh...scary suff
Ya, I live is poverty....but I was not raised that way

My folks were typial middle class Americans, you know, the happy 1960's types who benefited from the economy of the times

...but I digress...
So yea, I am now a single mom of 3 kids, and this was NOT my choice for a life but it happened as a result of being young and falling for the wrong guy, twice...
and I have an auto-immune disorder, did THAT predispose me for being por? well, hell...why SHOULD I even try and go back to school or get a better career going?
ugh
truly awful, that these people wouldn't just use the twising of medical studies to their advantage on the social and economical front...but when we talk about health care & 'pre-existing conditions'...then it is a frightening thing.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:21 PM
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4. Sounds like religious social darwinism to me.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:57 AM
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16. Sounds like plain old social darwinism to me.
The religiously inclined already have their own preferred method of rationalizing the condition of poverty. It's called the "Gospel of Wealth."
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:49 PM
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5. How stupid do they think we are about the rules they set up that
continues the vicious cycle of poverty?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:31 PM
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7. Turn that back on them..the rich are rich because they
are genetically disposed to steal. Stealing triggers a mechanism in the brain that acts like an endorphine, so they steal from the poor for pleasure and their monetary gain. They steal from the poor to elude punishment they would get if they shoplifted merchandise, and are much less likely to get caught.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:45 AM
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9. good one.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:48 AM
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10. +1
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 12:48 AM by Confusious

Probably not good science, but EXTREMELY good snark.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:54 AM
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12. Exactly. It's the not the strongest who survive, but the most adaptable.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:54 AM
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13. +1
Excellent!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:57 AM
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15. Eugenics always rises from the ashes, phoenix-like
Every time a "lower class" appears to be on the rise, the "uppers" dust off eugenics and try to make it law :(
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:59 AM
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17. Passing over a bunch of other utter crap.
Who exactly decides what is "advancement" and what is . . . I guess stagnation or decline would be the opposite.

I can tell you this: I would be a happy as a pig in shit (as they say) with about 10 acres of dirt upon which to raise some crops, grow some fruit and pasture a few animals. And screw all the jet-setting, deal closing, mania of the last 20 years of my life.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:04 AM
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19. Did these so called "scientists"
get their degrees in 1890. Are they really that fucking old?

This is just a bunch of recycled social darwinist crapola.
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