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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:08 PM
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"California Soda Survey Gives Weight To Health Concerns"...
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http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2188612.html

A sweeping statewide study released today points to soda and other sugar-sweetened beverages as one of the main reasons why we are fat.

"For the first time, we have strong scientific evidence that soda is one of the if not the largest contributors to the obesity epidemic," Dr. Harold Goldstein, executive director of the California Center for Public Health Advocacy, said Wednesday.

Obesity costs California $41 billion a year, an earlier report from the same organization found.

Suspicion of a link between soda and obesity isn't fresh news, but authors said the study is unprecedented in its scope.

"Bubbling Over: Soda Consumption and Its Link to Obesity in California" a joint effort by the California Center for Public Health Advocacy and the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research interviewed 42,000 Californians of all ages.

The study found that 24 percent of adults drink one or more non-diet sodas a day, and these adults are 27 percent more likely to be overweight.

The results for children were worse, researchers said. Sixty-two percent of adolescents ages 12 to 17 and 41 percent of children ages 2 to 11 imbibe at least one sugar-sweetened drink a day.

These kids, Goldstein said, will end up costing the state in future health care bills.

"This could be the first generation in modern history that will have a shorter life expectancy than their parents," he said.


More at the link.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:18 PM
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1. Short of making soda illegal they should put very high taxes
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 08:19 PM by virgogal
on it.

In Mass.cigarettes are taxed about 40% (including federal). Smoking rates are way down.

That strategy would solve the soda problem quickly.



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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:38 PM
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7. Is smoking really down?
We live in a nation where people can easily cross into neighboring states. Not to mention the internet. It might be illegal to order them from the internet, but it doesn't mean people won't do it.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:30 PM
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28. Tax non-diet sodas.
Diet sodas are not the best thing for people to drink; but they don't directly cause obesity.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:18 PM
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2. ......

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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:41 PM
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8. Really. How reactionary of you.
You do realize, don't you, that the state is us? There has got to be a way to pay for the outcome of our vices. We've got this study here that shows that children & adults are suffering ill health effects from a massively advertised, well-subsidized, and easily available product. What devices do we have to mitigate the costs of this burden that is bore by everyone?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:53 PM
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32. Teach nutrition, dont reduce freedoms by increasing taxes
Thats the only way to do it without violating personal choice.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:38 AM
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39. Personal choice?
You are going to tell me that children, who are most vulnerable to billions of dollars of brain-washing from the food industry, will grow up cognizant that they have a choice? Hahahahahaha!!!! And have you shopped at a grocery store lately? Choice is pretty much owned by 3 companies and and their is about 25 variations of the same choice available from any product.

But sure, I'll grant you "teach nutrition" if you will advocate that the government has a dollar for dollar match to counteract the advertising industry. Go ahead. Tell me now that you think the government should spend billions of dollars a year "teaching nutrition."

By the way, I suppose you think that people should be allowed to eat lead, breath asbestos, & have watches illuminated by radium dials. Just some examples of how the government interfered with personal choice.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:23 PM
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3. I went cold turkey
from around a case of (diet) soda per day, to nothing but water.

Since January 26, 2008.

Soda is just the shark's fin pointing out of the water. The whole "food for (corporate) profit" scheme is going to kill us, regardless of what we try to do about it.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:55 PM
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34. I did too
I was going through at least 4 cases of diet soda a week. I went cold turkey at Thanksgiving 2006. Every now and then I have a craving for soda (usually when I'm around my parents who drink way too much soda) and one sip of theirs satisfies it.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:24 PM
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4. and I drink the very worst one.....Mountain Dew.
I'm trying hard to break the habit, tho.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:27 PM
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5. The diet 'Dew is pretty good
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:33 PM
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6. Even when I was a kid... when soda was a rare treat
I couldn't understand the appeal. On a hot summer's day, it always made me more thirsty.

And I can't comprehend how and 8oz soda went from something people drank occasionally to daily huge 32oz servings.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:45 PM
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9. Imagine you are a PepsiCo exec.
Your job is to increase sales. Do you job you get to keep it. Do it spectacularly you get a bonus. Fail at it and you are fired.

Also you live in a society where pretty much everything you think you want has a price tag (in dollars) on it.

Now, are you especially ethically concerned about addictive stuff (like caffeine) in your product? Are you ethically concerned over research that shows consumers consume more if you do nothing other than give them larger portions?

Or are you going to just shut up and do your job?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:48 PM
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11. my father worked for coke and pepsi and we were rarely allowed any. nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:58 PM
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15. Milk, water, and juice for me until I was around 15.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:59 PM
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16. we was soooo po. lol. milk and water, juice too expensive and lots of sugar.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 09:00 PM by seabeyond
and we had cow in back so dad would drain the milk thru a cloth and was good to go.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:00 PM
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17. Whoa. Hardcore. We weren't rich, but we weren't *that* po. lol!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:01 PM
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18. wink. nt
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:57 PM
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14. And it's not just recently that this has happened
I read a very interesting book a couple of years ago, called "A History of the World in Six Glasses". It was about how six beverages (beer, wine, distilled spirits, tea, coffee, and Coca-Cola) changed the history of the world.

What really struck me was a quote from Roberto Goizueta, the CEO of Coca-Cola, I was able to find it again:

"A billion hours ago, human life appeared on Earth. A billion minutes ago, Christianity emerged. A billion seconds ago, the Beatles performed on The Ed Sullivan Show. A billion Coca-Colas ago was yesterday morning."

Since he died in 1997, it had to be uttered before then. Right now, the Coca-Cola company is up to a billion and a half servings per day.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:47 PM
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10. years ago a couple friends overweight trying to lose. i said, what about the soda you drink
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 08:57 PM by seabeyond
3, 4, 5 40 something oz huge ass dr peppers a day.

gotta count that shit ya know. lol

no, cant lose the dr pepper.

funny

i mean years ago. still makes me laugh
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:50 PM
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12. Caution: Diet soda isn't any better
My husband is diabetic and over time developed neurological problems: migraines, vertigo, Parkinson-like tremors. It took telling him about Donald Rumsfeld pushing aspartame through the FDA (on the day following Reagan's inauguration) to convince him to give up Diet Coke. All neurological symptoms disappeared in about a week's time, plus we discovered that aspartame brings on sugar cravings and interferes with insulin therapy - great for a diabetic (not!). Even as a diabetic, he now refuses to touch the stuff and reads the packaging on all products to make sure they don't contain the poison. Aspartame has also been found to lessen serotonin levels, which can cause depression. Aspartame/Nutrasweet is a killer. What else would you expect from Rummy?

The really scary part is that aspartame is put in many products without being labeled as such, under "natural and other ingredients". Trust me, it's unnatural so must be "other".
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:52 PM
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13. Yah - I assumed that, but I haven't done a study on it...
So I figured a bunch of diet-slurpers would jump on anyone saying diet was bad.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:09 PM
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20. Our own study was enough for me
The web is filled with aspartame scare stories, but seeing my husband's health improve so quickly and dramatically is enough for us. Add Rummy's involvement and you know that human suffering to line his pockets is a given.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:04 PM
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19. I sincerely believe that the solution to the food issue
is to buy no food that has been touched by large corporations (not counting family farm corporations).

I shop mainly at local farmers' markets.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:15 PM
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23. I switched to Diet and lost 25 lbs without changing any other eating habits
I am now at my normal weight. So for me drinking diet soda has worked out well.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:54 PM
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33. me too
lost it and kept it off for about 12 years. Of course I also exercised, drank less soda, changed my eating habits...

It's not that surprising overweight people drink diet drinks.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:12 PM
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21.  "...soda and other sugar-sweetened beverages..."
Don't most of these products now contain high-fructose corn syrup instead of sugar?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:44 PM
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31. And not coincidentally, the timeline of the obesity explosion in this country
runs parallel to the addition of MonSatan's mutant corn poison to the food supply. I won't touch the shit anymore. I'm a recovering Coke addict, but not the powdered kind, nor the rock kind. Still enjoy the occasional sugar sweetened Mexican Coke now and then, but would never go back to drinking it like I used to, even if they did go back to sugar. (Though the temporary return of real Mountain Dew & Pepsi earlier this summer was a welcome sight. And from a former Coke loyalist, that's a high compliment)
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bob4460 Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:14 PM
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22. It isn't the sugar its the high fructose corn syrup n/t
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:15 PM
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24. Well, like I always say Fuck freedom
As a society we need to find out who is doing what and how it harms them (and therefore us) and tax it or ban it.

Who the hell is pro-freedom anyway?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:17 PM
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25. line em up and shoot em all.... ooops, that would be me too
i really have to start reading the material instead of just reading the first line. they want to do something about it? hm
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:23 PM
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26. Yes they do
give em time - you think these studies are for fun?

They set up an agenda and then gather data for it.

There are people who want to ban/punish/etc people who are not like them and making choices they don't.Some call them sinners, others use different names - the result is the same.

Punishing behavior you do not approve of.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:29 PM
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27. realllllly???? no. tell me it aint so. i dont believe it
bah hahahaha

i have been on du a looooooong time.

yes it is true. people do like to do that, dont they.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:57 PM
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35. Yes, sadly, they do. Like with home schoolers
Find the bad ones and do a Glenn Beck on them. All the while the many other folks who do a good job get ignored. And one can do the same in reverse on home school message boards, find a ton of things wrong with public schools and use that as a reason to not have kids go to public schools.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:05 PM
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36. isnt it amazing. that thread was something. i didnt go into yours, but the one
about would you hire. give em facts, and still ignored. so repug and hey, .... du. and i hate the attacks on public school too. both are what the parent puts in, what the child gets out of it.

what happened with people saying, glad your choices are working for you.

truly amazing.

and so many subjects
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:13 PM
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37. So true my friend, and while we main not always agree on issues
I think we generally do agree on things like the tactics used by people.

I know a ton of kids who are homeschooled, and who are also fundies. And not a one of them I know are racist (my brother in law voted for Obama, and he is a fundie and my sister teaches creationism) - but because some fundies are and some do really stupid things they all get labeled.

Just because someone had a bad set of experiences with a group does not mean the whole group is the same. But I guess it is easier for some folks to blame all and go on a witch hunt, ala Glenn Beck (whom I think is secretly their hero), than to judge based on individual actions.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:34 PM
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29. not sugar
HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP. ban it in soda. heck, ban it. never mind i am making homemade carmel with corn syrup.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:41 PM
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30. The ironic thing is that none of those soft drinks have any actual sugar
they are all HFCS sweetened in the US.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:14 PM
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38. What utter crap.
Another BMI based "study" oh goody. Nice thing is that with kids, the CDC has this whole "growth chart BMI" thing which is an even bigger pile of horseshit than the adult BMI.

Then, THEN the study talks about the question "how many soda/sweetened drinks do you have a day?" Well, what the fuck does that mean? Are we talking total number of drinks or ounces and calories per ounce? Oooh, see that's where it hurts. That's like basing obesity on the question "how many meals did you have today?"

Shit data, shit study.

And so nobody thinks I'm defending soda or anything else, since I'm not, soda/sweetened drinks are all shit. Empty calories and chemicals.
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