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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:55 PM
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Poll question: Were you aware of the use of the term "czar" before Obama took office
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 03:55 PM by PA Democrat
I am amazed at the number of Glenn Beck fans literally foaming at the mouth over Obama's "czars".

From the video below (starting shortly after the 6 minute mark) you will see that none of the protesters were aware of the fact that "czars" are merely advisers with no real executive powers and that they are nothing new.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

I am interested in how long DUers have been aware of the use of the term "czar" to describe presidential advisers. I personally remember the term used during the Reagan administration.

DUers when did you first hear the term "czar" used to describe presidential advisers?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:57 PM
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1. My bad, misread it
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 03:58 PM by Prophet 451
I think I first head it when I first become aware of politics, sometime around Reagan's re-election.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:57 PM
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2. The "drug czar" dates back to the Reagan administration, IIRC.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:09 PM
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18. Yes indeed
For those of us old enough to remember.
They had the first Drug Czar as far as I recall.

The poll needs updating.
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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:15 PM
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43. I remember that, too.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:28 PM
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30. yep. czars left and right
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:07 PM
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38. that's what I thought
but I went to school in the 1970s with a guy named Mincer who was sometimes called czar. Min-sir becomes Min-czar or czar. Especially since he was a 185 pound wrestler with muscles on top of his muscles.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:17 PM
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40. Try FDR...
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:20 PM
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44. That's whjat I thought too.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:58 PM
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3. Until this morning I thought it started with Reagan, but...
evidently Nixon coined the first "czar." Either way, it was a concept created and popularized by Republicans. Not that facts will stop the inevitable GOP poo-flinging hissy fit.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:00 PM
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7. come to think of it, it makes perfect sense that Republicans invented "czars"
being that the czars were royalists.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:19 PM
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41. Except they didn't, we did, under FDR
They were temporary policy managers, Nixon made it permanent with a drug Czar...
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:02 PM
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10. "Not that facts will stop the inevitable GOP poo-flinging hissy fit." +1 n/t
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:20 PM
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25. I was thinking it was Nixon -- wasn't there a "poverty czar"? n/t
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:00 PM
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4. 1970
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 04:03 PM by RoccoR5955
it was during the Nixon administration. He appointed an energy czar.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908276...
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:20 PM
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26. Thank you! I thought it was a poverty czar but you're right it was energy n/t
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:36 PM
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34. Thanks for that link!
So the term has been used for more than 35 years.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:29 PM
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51. almost 40, but who's counting. n/t
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:00 PM
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5. The Gambler was a drug czar during the Reagan years
Alright--who was he?
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:02 PM
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9. Bennett
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:02 PM
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11. Winner
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:05 PM
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13. Bill Bennet. First time I'd heard the expression. But I think he was Education Czar.
Vice President Bush I believe was Drug Czar. That's where all the Search and Seizure abuse started.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:09 PM
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16. Bennett was Sec. of Education and then Drug Czar
I think.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:09 PM
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17. You're right. And he was appointed Drug Czar by Poppy Bush.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:00 PM
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6. During the Reagan administration. (nt)
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:14 PM
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55. yes
wasn't there a "drug czar"?
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:02 PM
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8. Bush Jr. had 45 czars and Reagan had 1 called a drug Czar
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:03 PM
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12. Yes. Everyone was. That's not their issue - it's just a made-up lie.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:07 PM
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14. Yeah, Beck and the Republicans know it's not true,
but Beck's stupid fans are either really good actors or never paid the slightest bit of attention to politics until now. Those people in that video were clueless, and I doubt they were the exception in that crowd.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:07 PM
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15. Nixon started the term and it made me CRINGE
but Nixon was a Republican so he could do little wrong until he authorized a bungled break in at Democratic National Headquarters at the Watergate and a few journalists wouldn't let it go.

If you don't like that word, blame Republicans.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:14 PM
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20. It makes me feel the same way.
There's got to be a better title for them.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:15 PM
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23. It still makes me cringe and I wish that Democratic presidents didn't use it.
There must be another succinct word that could be used instead.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:12 PM
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19. I heard of it when I was a little kid
and Reagan was president. I scarcely remember Carter, so I was probably a little too young to have been able to comprehend all that much about politics etc then. I was 5 when RR was elected and 6 when he took office.
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:14 PM
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21. I'm the first vote for "During Obama's Admin"...
...but I only started paying attention to politics about 5 years ago. So I have a smaller window of opportunity than most.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:14 PM
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22. That video makes me sick.
:cry:
The pure ignorance on display there is mind boggling.

Part of me feels sorry for those people, and part of my is angry with them for letting their intellectual laziness hurt the rest of us.

He asks one woman why she objects to czars and she says that it's because she doesn't know who they answer to. If I was in his shoes I would have asked her if she's tried to find out the answer to that question - by going online, reading newspapers etc. She's basically saying that she's protesting her own ignorance. How F'd up is that?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:16 PM
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24. I worked in criminal justice during the CLinton admin, and heard about the Drug Czar
all the time.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:21 PM
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27. Yep. Lame Right Wing Talking Points, vol. 74,300
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:24 PM
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28. Bill Bennett, the drug czar, is the first one I remember.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 04:25 PM by Blue_In_AK
Wasn't that George H.W. Bush who appointed him and called him that? What short memories these people have!

ed. Reading through the responses, I do remember now that it was Nixon who first coined the term.

It cracks me up that the right equates "Czars" with socialism or communism. No sense of history either.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:28 PM
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29. THE first was William Simon, "Energy Tsar" under Nixon and Ford. nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:32 PM
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31. Nixon used them in the 1970s
The ONLY reason it is being talked about is IT'S A RUSSIAN WORD.

For the Stupid Party aka GOP, that's the same as saying IT'S COMMONISSST!

And since they are so woefully uninformed, they don't even know that the GOP presidents have used CZARS repeatedly the past 50 years.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:35 PM
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32. Raygun's administration
I've always disliked "czar", but what I really hate is the term "homeland" because it reeks of WWII Germany. I never heard this in reference to the US before 9/11.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:35 PM
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33. The term has been used by the media since the FDR administration.
<snip> The first White House issues czar was President Franklin Roosevelts war production czar Donald Nelson, who was joined by an economic czar, a manpower czar, a food czar and even a rubber czar. Subsequent presidents have either ditched the concept or had one or two czars for pet issues such as drug control or education initiatives.
<more>
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obama-focuse...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:38 PM
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35. I first heard it used by Ronald Reagan.
Reagan was a commie. :)

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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:03 PM
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36. Yeah, he was one of those Hollywood commies. They're the worst kind!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:07 PM
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37. you can educate but you can't fix stupid and these assholes revel in their stupidity
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:17 PM
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39. ROFL, Try FDR, he stared the czars in the 1940's...
Nixon just made the first permanent Czar, they were temporary before that.
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HubertHeaver Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:36 PM
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42. Baseball Czar, Judge Landis. The Russians weren't using
the term anymore so baseball writers appropriated it to describe the powers given to the good judge.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:22 PM
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45. Wasn't Bill Bennett some kind of czar for bushsr?
I seem to remember that he was sec of ed under reagan, but maybe drug czar (ironic if thought of as literal) for Bush sr.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:25 PM
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46. a 2005 item refers to his 1989 appointment as HW Bush's "Drug Czar"
http://www.campusprogress.org/tools/582/know-your-right...

It is my first recollection of the term being used to refer to a presidential appointee/position.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:28 PM
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47. It goes back to Nixon.
The term isn't even a real term, it's a press term that is short for whatever job the person actually has.

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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:20 PM
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48. I'm pretty sure there was one under either Harding or Wilson. (nt)
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:26 PM
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49. YES I remember Nixon's energy czar
it's nothing new.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:36 PM
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50. Golly gee, one more thing to get outraged about
sorry I lost the 20 seconds to respond to this
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:35 PM
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52. Yup ....
Use of the word to describe heads of functions for the government goes all the way back to Reagan. Then there were those guys in Russia who managed to trigger the revolution in 1917.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:39 PM
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53. I voted GW, but come to think of it I do remember "drug czars" before that.
I've found it a strange, but certainly not troublesome term to use. I did not rage in protest at the term when Dubya appointed czars, but rather at the boy king himself.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:12 PM
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54. The M$M has a huge advantage: Their audience doesn't fact-check.
If it's on the TeeVee, in a chain email, or spewed by Oxyrush, it may as well be engraved in stone.

Wingers: Willfully Ignorant and Proud of it.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:18 PM
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56. Yep. The great Energy Czar from Doonesbury. 1974.
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 03:20 PM by gatorboy
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