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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:37 PM
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No Lie! They are saying the thing which is not.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 03:42 PM by MineralMan
I love this phrase from Gulliver's Travels. The Houyhnhnms, in that book, are a race of intelligent horses that have no word for "Lie." So, faced with an untruth, they declare that someone has "said the thing which is not."

Since most folks never got past Lilliput in that book, it's a little known expression, but one that deserves to be better known and used when saying someone lied is not appropriate.

For example, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are masters at saying the thing which is not.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:46 PM
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1. Why is it inappropriate to say that Limbaugh and Beck lie?
Why complicate things. They lie, just say so.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:49 PM
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2. I just like the phrase. It can make people think a little.
Probably the word "inappropriate" wasn't the right one. However, there are places where it is improper or against the rules to say that someone is lying. It's an alternative way of expressing something similar.

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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:55 PM
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3. saying the thing which is not is not necessarily lying
Obama could have replied to the "You lie!" outburst with: "Not only am I not lying, but what I'm saying is true."
One must know (or think) it's false to be lying, otherwise they're just mistaken.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:00 PM
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4. Good point. Since we don't know whether many untruths
that are spoken are willful lying, the phrase provides an out against ad hominem attacks, while pointing out the non-factual nature of the statement.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:03 PM
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5. True
Yours is a more polite form and merely addresses the facts without judging and is therefore more objective.
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