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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:37 AM
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If ACORN is defunded for what 6 employees did; THEN BLACKWATER should be defunded, as well. nt
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:39 AM
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1. i don't understand how blackwater keeps getting contracts!! they ought to be banned
from getting any government contracts for the crap they've done.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 08:48 AM
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27. Blackwater keeps getting funded because Americans do not
want a draft nor do they want to serve. There is not enough manpower in the military to fight these wars. Bottom line.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:47 AM
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2. K&R big #5 for the premise, but also for "Graham GREENE" reference!1 n/t
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:49 AM
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3. I thought Blackwater was being replaced?
As soon as someone could be found to replace them? At least from working for our government?

Of course they will just change the name, and the CEO, and move right ahead.

As for ACORN, sorry to say I think they are political toast.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:49 AM
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4. Defund them BOTH
No argument here.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:01 AM
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5. Sounds good to me. nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:02 AM
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6. De-funded & prosecuted
Start at the top and work down. Enforce the rule of law on these profiteers.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:03 AM
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7. well,
whatever happens with ACORN, Blackwater should not be getting gov't contracts or funding.
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:04 AM
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8. Good idea - now we just need Glenn Beck on board...
...and Blackwater will be out of business in 48 hours. I mean, it worked for ACORN, right?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:12 AM
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9. What about all the bad apples in organized
religion like child molesting priests and others like Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart, etc.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:15 AM
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10. isn't it maddening?!
people - a lot of people - are killed, murdered, by one organization, while the other gets caught in some petty corruption where nobody dies. the former gets a new multi-million dollar contract, the latter gets publicly disgraced and drummed out of public service.

there is just no goddamn sense left.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:22 AM
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11. I brought up this same topic here....
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:19 PM
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19. Great!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:23 AM
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12. KnR for flawless logic
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:38 AM
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13. Blackwater is run by White Guys for the benefit of White Guys
The law doesn't apply to them...
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:38 AM
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14. Really? When do I get my check?nt
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 11:43 AM
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15. Amendment...
Run by Wealthy White Guys for the benefit of Wealthy White Guys.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:13 PM
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16. Well that makes sense, They are "entitled" to enrichment as well as a "get out of jail free" card.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 09:43 PM by Dragonfli
Are they not? It is the birth right of the wealthiest white men in this nation.
Everyone knows that. If anyone is to have less, by God it will be us!
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:15 PM
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17. ACORN won't kill people who defund them
Big difference.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:17 PM
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18. Creepy!
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BluDemocratGirl Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:37 AM
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20. What is Blackwater?
I never heard of this so-called organization.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:54 AM
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21. Blackwater: the USA's mercenaries
Just a couple of articles for you to get an idea.

Blackwater's Bu$ine$$
By Jeremy Scahill

This article appeared in the December 24, 2007 edition of The Nation.
December 6, 2007

Gunning down seventeen Iraqi civilians in an incident the military has labeled "criminal." Multiple Congressional investigations. A federal grand jury. Allegations of illegal arms smuggling. Wrongful death lawsuits brought by families of dead employees and US soldiers. A federal lawsuit alleging war crimes. Charges of steroid use by trigger-happy mercenaries. Allegations of "significant tax evasion." The US-installed government in Iraq labeling its forces "murderers." With a new scandal breaking practically every day, one would think Blackwater security would be on the ropes, facing a corporate meltdown or even a total wipeout. But it seems that business for the company has never been better, as it continues to pull in major federal contracts. And its public demeanor grows bolder and cockier by the day.

Rather than hiding out and hoping for the scandals to fade, the Bush Administration's preferred mercenary company has launched a major rebranding campaign, changing its name to Blackwater Worldwide and softening its logo: once a bear paw in the site of a sniper scope, it's now a bear claw wrapped in two half ovals--sort of like the outline of a globe with a United Nations feel. Its website boasts of a corporate vision "guided by integrity, innovation, and a desire for a safer world." Blackwater mercenaries are now referred to as "global stabilization professionals." Blackwater's 38-year-old owner, Erik Prince, was No. 11 in Details magazine's "Power 50," the men "who control your viewing patterns, your buying habits, your anxieties, your lust.... the people who have taken over the space in your head."

In one of the company's most bizarre recent actions, on December 1 Blackwater paratroopers staged a dramatic aerial landing, complete with Blackwater flags and parachutes--not in Baghdad or Kabul but in San Diego at Qualcomm Stadium during the halftime show at the San Diego State/BYU football game. The location was interesting, given that Blackwater is fighting fierce local opposition to its attempt to open a new camp--Blackwater West--on 824 acres in the small rural community of Potrero, just outside San Diego. Blackwater's parachute squad plans to land at the Armed Forces Bowl in Texas this month and the Virginia Gold Cup in May. The company recently sponsored a NASCAR racer, and it has teamed up with gun manufacturer Sig Sauer to create a Blackwater Special Edition full-sized 9-millimeter pistol with the company logo on the grip. It comes with a Limited Lifetime Warranty. For $18, parents can purchase infant onesies with the company logo.

In recent weeks, Blackwater has indicated it might quit Iraq. "We see the security market diminishing," Prince told the Wall Street Journal in October. Yet on December 3 Blackwater posted job listings for "security specialists" and snipers as a result of its State Department diplomatic security "contract expansion." While its name may be mud in the human rights world, Blackwater has not only made big money in Iraq (about $1 billion in State Department contracts); it has secured a reputation as a company that keeps US officials alive by any means necessary. The dirty open secret in Washington is that Blackwater has done its job in Iraq, even if it has done so by valuing the lives of Iraqis much lower than those of US VIPs. That badass image will serve it well as it expands globally.

More: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071224/scahill


Blackwater: CIA Assassins?
By Jeremy Scahill
The Nation

August 20, 2009

In April 2002, the CIA paid Blackwater more than $5 million to deploy a small team of men inside Afghanistan during the early stages of US operations in the country. A month later, Erik Prince, the company's owner and a former Navy SEAL, flew to Afghanistan as part of the original twenty-man Blackwater contingent. Blackwater worked for the CIA at its station in Kabul as well as in Shkin, along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, where they operated out of a mud fortress known as the Alamo. It was the beginning of a long relationship between Blackwater, Prince and the CIA. Now the New York Times is reporting that in 2004 the CIA hired Blackwater "as part of a secret program to locate and assassinate top operatives of Al Qaeda." According to the Times, "it is unclear whether the CIA had planned to use the contractors to capture or kill Qaeda operatives, or just to help with training and surveillance."

The Times reports that "the CIA did not have a formal contract with Blackwater for this program but instead had individual agreements with top company officials, including the founder, Erik D. Prince, a politically connected former member of the Navy Seals and the heir to a family fortune." A retired intelligence officer "intimately familiar with the assassination program" told the Washington Post, "Outsourcing gave the agency more protection in case something went wrong." The Post reported that Blackwater "was given operational responsibility for targeting terrorist commanders and was awarded millions of dollars for training and weaponry, but the program was canceled before any missions were conducted."

"What the agency was doing with Blackwater scares the hell out of me," said Jack Rice, a former CIA field operator who worked for the directorate of operations, which runs covert paramilitary activities for the CIA. "When the agency actually cedes all oversight and power to a private organization, an organization like Blackwater, most importantly they lose control and don't understand what's going on," Rice told The Nation. "What makes it even worse is that you then can turn around and have deniability. They can say, 'It wasn't us, we weren't the ones making the decisions.' That's the best of both worlds. It's analogous to what we hear about torture that was being done in the name of Americans, when we simply handed somebody over to the Syrians or the Egyptians or others and then we turn around and say, 'We're not torturing people.'"

Reached by telephone, Illinois Democrat Jan Schakowsky, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said that because of her oath of secrecy on sensitive intelligence issues, she could neither confirm nor deny that Congress was aware of Blackwater's involvement in this program before the Times report. Schakowsky also declined to comment on whether Blackwater came up at a June briefing by CIA director Leon Panetta, which she attended. That briefing sparked calls for an investigation into whether Vice President Dick Cheney ordered the CIA to conceal an assassination program from Congress. "What we know now, if this is true, is that Blackwater was part of the highest level, the innermost circle strategizing and exercising strategy within the Bush administration," Schakowsky told The Nation. "Erik Prince operated at the highest and most secret level of the government. Clearly Prince was more trusted than the US Congress because Vice President Cheney made the decision not to brief Congress. This shows that there was absolutely no space whatsoever between the Bush administration and Blackwater."

Much, much more: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090831/scahill1


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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:58 AM
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22. Killers for hire. Untouchable by law. U.S. contractor.
Fabulously wealthy on the taxpayers dime.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 04:20 PM
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28. Now rebranded as XE Corp.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 03:01 AM
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23. Good point
I hadn't thought of that but you're exactly right.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:37 AM
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24. Well
that would require a sane and lucid reaction from Congress instead of the knee jerk falling for manufactured hype reaction they're so accustomed to.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 06:32 AM
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25. There are others: Blackwater/Xe (torture, murder), CACI (torture, murder), Titan/L3 (torture, murder
Fraud is the least of it. But, there are a number of DoD/CIA contractors, in addition to Blackwater/Xe, who got an unlimited "Get Out of Jail Free" Card, and instead are handed a "Pass Go - Collect $500 Billion" card for their crimes against humanity.

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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 08:46 AM
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26. Next: Demand that they defund the so-called Crisis Pregnancy Centers.
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 08:47 AM by ehrnst
They lie to women, and get federal dollars to do it.

Here's my letter to both my Dem Senators that voted to defund ACORN:



Dear Senator ...,

I understand that you voted to withhold housing funding from ACORN, a scandal-plagued group that has been the target of conservatives for awhile now.

I can certainly understand cutting funding to groups that have been shown to misuse public funds, particularly when employees of said organizations disseminate misinformation knowingly, and engage in uethical practices.

I would like to suggest that you turn attention to another such category of groups - "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" which knowingly distribute medically innacurate information on pregnancy & abortion. Many participate in coercive adoption practices.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090914/joyce

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/07/08/crisis-de...

Please be a voice for consistency in cutting funding to groups that use taxpayer dollars to mislead and engage in unethical practices.

Regards,

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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 04:22 PM
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29. +1
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 04:23 PM
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30. +1
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 04:39 PM
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31. My sentiments exactly
.........if only consistency and fairness were traits our political leaders possessed........... :eyes:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 04:40 PM
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32. where is CONGRESS?????? nt
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 04:41 PM
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33. Blackwater Should Not Be Allowed To Legally Exist At All
We don't need private military forces.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 02:55 PM
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34. ..
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