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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:26 AM
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Joseph Goebbels(minus Ph.D) = Glenn Beck : same evil, hatred and message
We need to call this dangerous asshole out!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

Paul Joseph Goebbels (German pronunciation: <ˈɡbəls>; UK: /ˈɡɝːbəlz/, US: /ˈɡʌbəlz/; 29 October 1897 1 May 1945) was a German politician and Reichsminister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945. He was one of German dictator Adolf Hitler's closest associates and most devout followers, eventually succeeding him as Chancellor of Germany, an office he held for only one day, carrying out one official act: sending a delegation to seek a ceasefire with the Russians. Goebbels was known for his zealous oratory and anti-Semitism. He was the chief architect of the Kristallnacht attack on the German Jews, which historians consider to be the commencement of the Nazi violence culminating in the Holocaust.

Goebbels earned a Ph.D. from Heidelberg University in 1921, writing his doctoral thesis on 18th-century romantic drama; he then went on to work as a journalist and later a bank clerk and caller on the stock exchange. He also wrote novels and plays, but they were refused by publishers. Goebbels came into contact with the Nazi Party in 1923 during the French occupation of the Ruhr and became a member in 1924. He was appointed Gauleiter (regional party leader) of Berlin. In this position, he put his propaganda skills to full use, combating the local socialist and communist parties with the help of Nazi papers and the paramilitary SA. By 1928, he had risen in the party ranks to become one of its most prominent members.

Goebbels rose to power in 1933 along with Hitler and the Nazi party, and he was appointed propaganda minister. One of his first acts was the burning of books rejected by the Nazis. He exerted totalitarian control over the media, arts, and information in Germany. In that position, he perfected an understanding of the "Big Lie" technique of propaganda, which is based on the principle that a lie, if audacious enough and repeated enough times, will be believed by the masses.

From the beginning of his tenure, Goebbels organized attacks on German Jews, commencing with the boycott of 1933. His attacks on the Jewish population culminated in the Kristallnacht assault of 1938, an open and unrestrained pogrom unleashed by the Nazis all across Germany, in which scores of Synagogues were burned and hundreds of Jews were assaulted and murdered. ("Kristallnacht" refers to the broken glass spread on the streets, as the Nazis smashed the windows of thousands of Jewish businesses.)

Goebbels used modern propaganda techniques to psychologically prepare the German people for aggressive war and the annihilation of civilian populations. Among other propaganda devices, he accused many of Germany's ethnic and national minorities (such as the Poles, the Jews, the French) of trying to destroy Germany, claiming that Germany's belligerent actions were taken in self-defense.

During World War II, Goebbels increased his power and influence through shifting alliances with other Nazi leaders. By late 1943, the tide of the war was turning against the Axis powers, but this only spurred Goebbels to intensify the propaganda by urging the Germans to accept the idea of total war and mobilization. Goebbels remained with Hitler in Berlin to the end, and following the Fhrer's suicide he was the second person to serve as the Third Reich's Chancellor albeit for one day. In his final hours, Goebbels and his wife, Magda, killed their six young children. Shortly after, they both committed suicide.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:28 AM
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1. Beck sucks but playing the Nazi card is always a huge FAIL. nt
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:40 AM
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2. Did you read the article? He is employing the same tactics. I'm sorry, but their is a correlation!
Ignorance is not bliss in his case.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:46 AM
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4. There may be a correlation but that doesn't make it a useful appraoch
Presumably our goal should be to discredit Beck and limit his influence over the American people; calling him a Nazi generally tends to have another effect; it makes the person calling him a Nazi look kind of out of control, regardless of how justified the comparison is.

Bryant
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:53 AM
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6. Again, ignorance is bliss. I toured the Nazi Documentation Center
and Dauchau last year. It was shocking. I no longer take anything for granted when it comes to hate speech and its effect.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:00 AM
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7. Ah yes - well I see you know all about arguing. Your technique of suggesting i'm ignorant
has certainly won me over.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:31 AM
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10. Turning your back on hatred and evil results in permitting it to continue
I won't apologize for being passionate. I was deeply effected by what I saw in Germany. Their history is memorialized for a reason.

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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:47 AM
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11. Who is suggesting turning our back on hatred and evil
Seriously, what is wrong with you?

I am suggesting that if we want to attack Beck and discredit him, comparing him to Goebbels and calling him a Nazi will not be an effective strategy. It may well be a counter-productive strategy.

Bryant
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:44 AM
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3. Goebbels was far more handsome.
n.t.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:49 AM
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5. I feel that he is more similar to Father Charles Coughlin.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:03 AM
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8. Faux's MO is darkly reminiscent of Mein Kampf
Cross posted from the videos forum.

Hitler on Propaganda

In chapter six of Mein Kampf,Hitler reviewed the use of propaganda during World War I. In the course of his criticism of the German effort, he included comments on the function of propaganda in general. His statements offer insight into the methods used by the Nazi Party.

Source: Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf,translated by Ralph Manheim. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1943.

The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be. But if, as in propaganda for sticking out a war, the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be extended in this direction.

The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a propaganda campaign, and not success pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes.

The art of propaganda lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding, through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and thence to the heart of the broad masses. The fact that our bright boys do not understand this merely shows how mentally lazy and conceited they are.

Once understood how necessary it is for propaganda in be adjusted to the broad mass, the following rule results:

It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance.

The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out.

Thus we see that propaganda must follow a simple line and correspondingly the basic tactics must be psychologically sound.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

What, for example, would we say about a poster that was supposed to advertise a new soap and that described other soaps as 'good'?
We would only shake our heads.

Exactly the same applies to political advertising.

The function of propaganda is, for example, not to weigh and ponder the rights of different people, but exclusively to emphasize the one right which it has set out to argue for. Its task is not to make an objective study of the truth, in so far as it favors the enemy, and then set it before the masses with academic fairness; its task is to serve our own right, always and unflinchingly.




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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:15 AM
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9. I don't disagree.
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