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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:07 AM
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Hofstra Rape: Student Lied About Incident: District Attorney
First Posted: 09-16-09 10:01 PM
Updated: 09-16-09 11:59 PM

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) -- Authorities in New York say the Hofstra University student who told police that she had been gang-raped by five men on campus has recanted her story.

Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice said in a statement released late Wednesday that the 18-year-old told law enforcement officials that the sex was consensual.

The woman had accused the men, including a Hofstra student, of taking her cell phone at an on-campus nightclub and luring her into a dormitory men's room and sexually assaulting her early Sunday.

Four of them, Rondell Bedward, Jesus Ortiz, Kevin Taveras and Stalin Felipe, were arrested and arraigned on rape and other charges.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/hofstra-rape-s...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:17 AM
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1. The innocent accused faces are still all over the place....
while we still don't even know the adult false-accuser's name.

Nor is does she as yet have any charges.

Wonder if she put the backwards 'B' on her face before or after her night of fun.

False rape accusations hurt the accused, obviously. But they hurt all *women* who really *have* been raped as well. It would be nice if women would speak out against this - for everybody's benefit.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:34 AM
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2. I don't know if I would call five guys who gang-bang a woman "innocent"...
"Not guilty" of rape, sure! "Innocent"...I have a hard time calling them that.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:36 AM
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3. lol @ semantic goal-post moving. But if that's how you want to avoid the issue, so be it.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 03:37 AM by BlooInBloo
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:37 AM
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4. the innocent was referring to whether they raped someone
as for whether you think they are "innocent" beccause of consensual sex, that's another issue.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:06 AM
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8. Federal and state statutory law say differently. In the end, that's what holds up in court.
And that's what should matter the most.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:40 PM
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11. So what are they guilty of?
Having too much fun?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:44 AM
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6. I think I'll speak out on other subjects.
I really don't know what happened here. Did the sex not occur? Did how many? One? Four? Five young men? Have sexual intercourse with the same woman in a bathroom? AND WE'RE CALLING IT CONSENSUAL? I really need so much more information about the nature of the Come one, come all! consent. Because right now I have no idea how people of both sexes wound up in the same bathroom.

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:52 PM
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12. " AND WE'RE CALLING IT CONSENSUAL? "
Yes, that's what they call it when a woman agrees to have sex... consensual. Believe it or not, there are some women who *enjoy* sex with multiple partners at the same time.

Do you have a problem with that??


Ghost

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:09 PM
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16. No, WE are not calling it consensual, SHE is!
sheesh.
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FreedomTrain Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:54 AM
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5. This was unrecommended by someone,
probably a person who still haven't gotten over the fact that the Duke players were also innocent, and that the woman LIED.

Well, back to zero with my recommendation.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:25 PM
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23. Probably a very disappointed racist teabagger.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:05 AM
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7. She just ruined the lives of four innocent people. And she has hurt the cause of women everywhere.
This is just as despicable as the Duke rape case.
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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:49 AM
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9. Yes. but did we have a crazy faculty
that retaliated against other members of the sports team. Judged the accused guilty and spoke out accordingly. Led a large protest that included threatening to castrate the accused.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:39 PM
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10. Forever after, these guys will have a cloud on their names.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:55 PM
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13. Stalin Felipe will never have his name cleared.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:56 PM
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14. Why do I think she was threatened?
I can't shake that feeling.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:00 PM
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15. Gee, the police would never have considered that.
After all, it's not like she could ever have actually lied. :eyes:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:18 PM
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22. any good rape investigator does
and that holds for investigators in general.

i've investigated scores of rapes, and you ALWAYS enter the investigation with the understanding that it could be a false complaint.

as dershowitz once said, rape is simultaneously the most overreported and underreported crime.

unlike many other falsely reported crimes (like burglary, which is often false, for insurance purposes) false rape complaints usually name a suspect(s). iow, these false complaints put people in jeapordy (in the legal sense) vs. other false reports.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:15 PM
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18. Let me guess...
When the Duke players were proved innocent, you still thought that "something happened" that night. :eyes:

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Mixopterus Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:06 PM
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24. Does this
Fit into some kind of narrative you have constructed?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:10 AM
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26. Because the truth doesn't fit your narrative.
Your "feeling" is a projection of your desire to find a lack of consent, and in fact, even more sinister coercion, in the absence of any evidence to that effect.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:09 PM
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17. She will probably never have to worry about facing charges...
for making a false police report. The woman in the Duke case didn't.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:20 PM
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20. Why not? (nt)
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:23 AM
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25. Because the district attorney will likely be afraid of the political fallout.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:54 PM
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21. The two situations are not identical
This woman admitted to making up the story, and is now under investigation. In the Duke Case, NC Attorney General had this to say:

Q: Do you believe the accuser lied in this case? And will there be any criminal charges against her?

COOPER: Well, we have considered that. Our investigators who talked with her and the attorneys who talked with her over a period of time think that she may actually believe the many different stories that she has been telling.

And in reviewing the whole history, there are records under seal that I'm not going to talk about, but we believe it's in the best interest of justice not to bring charges, and we have made that decision, as well.


http://edition.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/cooper.transcript /

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/da-hofstra-st...
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:18 PM
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19. Wow! I wondered why it is no longer in the news
It should. Rape is a serious matter and any woman (or man) who lies about it makes it harder for the next victims.
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