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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:00 AM
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Re: ACORN... Hey Ms. Lewis, will you put this silliness to bed?
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:12 AM by cherokeeprogressive
Won't you come out tomorrow and say definitively that there are lawyers actively working on lawsuits in every state where ACORN has been duped by two kids who are barely college age? Won't you tell us who those lawyers are and what suits they're filing, and what they hope to accomplish?

You can put this issue to bed by definitively saying that you KNOW this is not a systemic problem, and that you're not only handling the slander of your organization, but pro-actively going after those who would purposely go out of their way to ruin your organization's good name.

Show us the money Ms. Lewis. Rather than making written statements, put your face out there and defend your organization. Step up in front of the cameras and tell the world that WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION, these accusations that your organization is anything less than honest are baseless.

Tell us which DA's are pursuing investigations into whether or not the two people in question broke laws. Tell us that in no uncertain terms you'll have this stupidity exposed for what it is: stupidity.

Get out there Ms. Lewis, and defend ACORN. Defend ACORN from top to bottom. Use your position to take away any suspicion Joe and Josephine Six-Pack might have that what they've seen is the truth rather than total and complete bullshit.

Stop with the written announcements. Stop telling us that you're GOING to take on FAUX news and its cohorts, and start telling us that you HAVE, and HOW.

Stop defending ACORN with a written statement, and get out there in front of ACORN, and defend it with every weapon at your disposal. Be pro-active. TELL the MSM why you know this is bullshit, rather than just telling them that it is.

If you can't do that, I'm going to be the first person to question your ability to lead such a large and diverse organization, and hold you responsible for any damage to ACORN that might result from these supposedly baseless charges.

Get out in front of this. Get out in front of it NOW. Put YOUR face out there and deny that this is a systemic problem within ACORN.

Shit doesn't roll downhill as some people believe, it rolls UPHILL, and sticks to those at the top of the managerial ladder. You're standing on the top rung of that ladder, and could, if you so choose, put a lot of this shit to bed.

Then we could take upon ourselves the task of turning this stupid mess back toward those neo-cons who dreamed up this charade in the first place.

We need to have YOU onboard though, and I don't see you as willing to put yourself out there as a do or die defendant of ACORN.

That worries me.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:11 AM
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1. She was on two shows I saw this evening.
And answered all the questions put to her.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:14 AM
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2. There's a start. I didn't see any television this evening.
I'd look at this situation in a completely different light if ACORN took the reigns and wrestled this story from the MSM.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:15 AM
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3. "if ACORN took the reigns and wrestled this story from the MSM" - Indeed. The almighty ACORN.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:22 AM by BlooInBloo
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:21 AM
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5. "The almight ACORN" ??
What does that mean? I know you're a person of few words, but when your words lack even the requisite letters necessary to understand them, you leave me more than a little confused.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:23 AM
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6. Sorry the missing "y" completely confused you. The typo has been corrected.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:26 AM
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8. I love picking at your scabs. It's so easy.
Would you lower yourself to the point where you might enlighten me as to the meaning of your post?

I take it to mean that ACORN is powerless to defend itself.

If that's the case, and that's what your post implies, then Ms. Lewis isn't the right person to lead the organization.

I still love ya though.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:29 AM
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11. (shrug) The ACORN operating budget is what - $30 million? Is that how much the MSM goes through in..
an hour?

How much, precisely, should "the right person to lead the organization" allocate to this?
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:41 AM
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13. Bloo, I defer to your superior intellect...
I've seen it. Experienced it.

How much would it cost for Ms. Lewis to call ONE news agency and have EVERY news agency in her front yard, listening to what she had to say, and putting her frosty mug on TV for all to see?

"The right person to lead the organization" wouldn't hesitate to do so. Please tell me I'm wrong; It wouldn't cost her or ACORN a penny.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:45 AM
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14. Oh... is THAT all it takes to take the reigns (sic) and wrestle the story from the MSM?
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:48 AM by BlooInBloo
Shucks - and here I thought that would be *difficult and costly*. One phone call - wow.

I can't imagine why anyone hasn't thought of that before.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:54 AM
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15. If I were the head of an organization as large and influential as ACORN
That's how I'd play it.

I'd be pro-active in the extreme. And I do believe that all Ms. Lewis would have to do in order to get her views out there WITH her face, would be to call the local news agency and tell them she had something to say.

Do you dispute that? Do you dispute the fact that the world would beat a path to her door?

I want ACORN to be exonerrated in this, and I want it to go away. I'm of the belief that it WOULD go away if ACORN and its leader stepped up in front of the cameras and said, in no uncertain terms, that ACORN's lawyers were on the case, and that there would soon be definitive evidence that the problem WASN'T systemic and that ACORN's lawyers were working toward not only criminal charges, but civil recourse as well.

And I don't think it would cost a single penny for that to happen.

(shrug)
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:40 AM
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17. I'll take a cue from obama: i'd prefer to know what i was talking about
before i rushed out to the media "defending".

which involves interviewing all the acorn personnel on tape, backgrounding the pimps with the camera, & consulting legal counsel. minimally.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:29 PM
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31. Don't bother. Nothing will ever be enough for some people.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:17 AM
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4. I'm betting Amy will have her or one of her colleagues on in the next day or so.
No teevee right now so I'm not on top of the coverage this is getting except via reports here.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:08 AM
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18. And here's the report today with Lewis. Video, audio, transcript at link.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 09:14 AM by EFerrari
ACORN Head Bertha Lewis Vows Action on Employee Misconduct, But Warns Group Targeted by Modern-Day McCarthyism

The anti-poverty group ACORN is coming under a firestorm of criticism after the groups workers were caught on camera appearing to offer advice to a pimp and prostitute. The video was a major strike for conservatives who for years have accused ACORN of voter-registration fraud during presidential elections. Republicans are calling for a complete cutoff of all federal funding to the group, which helps poor people fight foreclosures, fix tax problems and register to vote. We speak with ACORN chief executive Bertha Lewis.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/17/acorn_head_bertha...

Edit: Starts @ 12:00 or so, right after headlines.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:24 AM
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7. Dude, ACORN is toast
and it's not going to stop with ACORN.

This case is radioactive and it's going to bring down everyone and everything associated with ACORN, including potentially President Obama himself. We haven't seen more than 1% of what is going to come out - there is at least one (and I believe more than one) Deep Throat that has handed over ALL the dirty laundry.

You can write off the SEIU, too.

I know nobody is going to listen to me on this but you've got the right to know. A lot of Democrats have been using ACORN to launder public money into their campaign coffers and in some cases into their own personal pockets. This stuff is dribbling out bit by bit because they're preparing people for something far far worse. I don't know many details but I know they have damning information. When you start to see Pelosi tied into this story you'll know the big one is coming.



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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:28 AM
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9. Forgive me if I dismiss your post as snark.
Because I have.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:29 AM
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10. I hope they have room at the SuperMax for her and Big Foot.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:30 AM
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12. And you "know" this how?
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:07 PM
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19. I can't say
if I reveal how I know and all the details I am aware of, I'll lose my source.

Check out the front page of the Drudge Report today if you think I am joking or pulling this out of my ass. Nancy is scared shitless, and she's got every reason to be.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:13 PM
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20. were you telling people to check drudge when he was championing the
'Hillary killed Vince Foster' maniacs?

just curious
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 10:34 PM
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21. It's also on a load of other places
But since the guy runs the biggest news site on the net, I said look to him.

Here's something public I can share:

http://hillbuzz.org/2008/10/10/clinton-supporters-shari... /

I'm no fan of Hillary but I can tell you she knows what's up. She may end up the leader of the party by the time this is over because everyone else of similar prominence is in deep trouble. It's not just because she's been marginalized as SoS that she's been publicly ruminating a departure.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:13 AM
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22. That's the best piece of evidence you "can share"?
An article from before the 2008 election that predicts McCain is going to win big?
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:48 AM
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24. trying to point you in the right direction
I'm sorry, I'd really like to provide more information but I value my ability to get the inside scoop more than I desire to convince strangers that it's genuine.

I am pointing you in the right direction, if you read sources outside of hardcore Democrat/liberal/progressive sites you can see it unfolding at an escalating pace.

That's all I can say at this time. I will say more on this when it's safe.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:58 AM
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25. "when it's safe"?
What's with the cloak and dagger bullshit? Are you supposed to be some kind of spy?

The article you linked to reads like a paranoid PUMA fantasy and doesn't seem to have anything whatsoever to do with reality.

If that's 'all you can say', then why bother?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:00 AM
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26. Safe From What, Sir? Left-Wing Thugs?
From your link above: a choice tid-bit so people can judge just what wretched swill you lend credence to....

"For veterans of the McGovern 72 campaign who remembered thugs and hooligans engaged in similar tactics in service of their own far left candidate, the actions of Obamas followers were so bad that even people whove lived through the last 36 years of ups and downs in America testified that this is the worst thing theyve ever seen happen to our democracy."
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 08:13 PM
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29. Yet another PUMA fantasy
Really, the primaries are over. Get on with your life.

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 05:51 AM
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35. How do dipshits like you get to 1000+
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 05:52 AM by Political Heretic
Check out DRUDGE? Yeah, cause that's a serious source of news. :eyes:

Nancy is scared shitless? This will bring down Obama?

Fuck off.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:24 AM
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16. This makes total sense.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 02:25 AM by Make7
People have damning evidence of nefarious campaign finance activities and misallocation of public funds into private hands, so what do they do?

Take the evidence to the authorities? No.

Expose these activities in the main-stream media? No.

Contact the management at ACORN to alert them to the problems in their organization? No.

Get two clowns to play dress-up and make hidden recordings of a few low level workers giving inappropriate counsel and expose that in the right wing media? Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner!

Fucking brilliant!
 
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:42 AM
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23. LOL. nt
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 08:16 AM
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37. It's not even clear that those workers gave innapropriate counsel.
Those tapes are heavily edited, and O'Keefe has been accused in the past of dishonest editing. I know that you mean well but please don't spread the assumption that those workers gave innapropriate advice.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:14 AM
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39. Sha-zayum :)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:23 PM
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28. Produce Your Evidence, Sir...
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:27 PM
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30. It's going to bring down potentially Obama himself?
That's a fierce claim.

On a related noted:

...
The ACORN scandal has Barack Obama's conservative critics noting that he and ACORN Illinois were close allies on community development issues here.

They're demanding the group be investigated. What they don't seem to know is that ACORN Illinois no longer exists. It collapsed in 2007.
...
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/ACORN.Illinois.sting.2.119...

Seems a lot of your claims land me on Hillbuz, Free Republic or various other PUMA and.or radical right wing websites. Do you have any other accurate sources you can share?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 05:50 AM
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34. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
As someone who actually knew ACORN before the right-wing media narrative was concocted, let me say this: you're an idiot.

Consider this for a moment.... ACORN is the single largest advocacy organization for poor people. It's entire purpose is community organizing and movement building for the poor and working class. It is one of the only voices for poor people (and particularly poor people of color) with the capability to complete in the big-dollar game of national politics....

...you sound so damn eager for their downfall. Why is that, I wonder?

"We haven't seen more than 1% of what is going to come out." - of course, you don't know that. No one knows that. So you must just be hoping that's true.

"I don't know many details." - you don't know any details jackass.

And I have no tolerance or manners for dumbfuck morons who side with republican smears against the most influential and highest-resource advocacy and organizing organization for the poor. Take your no-doubt white, middle class fat ass and go fuck yourself.

I will not apologize for one word of this post.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 08:13 AM
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36. Yes, let's just give in when the going gets difficult.
These tapes are heavily edited dishonest smears. Check out this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
We can't let them get away with it. We can't just roll over and give up every time the right wing launches a smear campaign. If we do that then eventually nothing will be left. But I'm pretty sure that you already understand that.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 08:27 PM
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27. Posts No. 21 And 24, Above, My Friends, Need Wider Reading....
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 10:09 PM
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32. Agreed.
Something wicked this way comes
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 03:16 AM
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33. So It Would Seem, Sir: A Man Who Leads a Life Of Danger....
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:12 AM
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38. His Bio needs a wider reading
Here's the tell tale sign of a dipshit in sheeps clothing:


To pre-empt the "link demand" trolls:

I'm not going to respond to any more "link demands" unless I have reason to believe you are actually sincere in wanting to know the truth.

9 out of 10 times when I do so, I get responses that show the person obviously didn't read the material and/or has no interest in the truth but rather to waste my time.


You might be a stealth conservative nut job if.... you refer to the request that claims and arguments be backed up with substantive evidence as "trolling."

"9 out of 10 times when I do so, I get responses that show the person obviously didn't read the material and/or has no interest in the truth but rather to waste my time." TRANSLATION: 9 out of 10 times when I do, I get responses that show the person obviously does not agree with me, and is unwilling to accept my distorted presentation of half-assed lies and trash as 'evidence' but rather just wants to waste time time I could be spending shoving my head further up my ass.
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