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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:33 PM
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Interesting.Dumb ass AmuriKans who elected Bush vote for talentless chicken catcher
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 11:35 PM by saracat
over cancer survivor operatic diva on America's Got Talent.

Cancer survivor Barbara Padilla, who is a gorgeous mom with by all accounts, the best voice ever on any talent shown and in the judges opinion, an international superstar, was beaten by Kevin Skinner,a sad sack, badly groomed chicken catcher who couldn't carry a tune in a bucket!

But his story must be ever so much more inspiring than beating cancer

America may have talent but they are apparently to dumb to recognize it. the voters must have been that 35% evangelical loon contingent that seriously believe obama is the antichrist! LOL!
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:54 PM
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1. Keep in mind that "Popular Music" is made for the masses and the Masses..
...here in America are not exactly "Patrons of the Arts"

There's a saying that Jazz Musicians repeat and it's oh so true :)
"The Band was so shitty that the Crowd loved them"

Face it.. (Most)Non Musicians don't know Shit and unfortunately, they don't even know what they don't know.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:29 AM
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2.  Well, I feel it is also a reflection of the educational level and the weak
will of the American populace who are very easily manipulated by a sob story.I am really tired of excuses being made for our stupid populace.

While we have huge problems in education alot of folks are ignorant by choice, and it is becoming more and more obvious.

BTW, I love the Jazz musicians quote. And you are correct. It is also very true!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:30 AM
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4. Ironic
Considering you're all worked up over a popular network reality show.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:52 AM
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7. Many of us in entertainment watch some of the entertainment shows like others may watch sports.
And often the voting is representative of the true feelings of a large portion of the populace. They are , in many cases , as valuable as polling.Many national political campaigns follow them for trends but I don't suppose you would be aware of that.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:35 PM
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24. Listen, your jaded attack on the winner is good and all
but Kanye had one of the best jaded attacks on the winner of all time.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:47 AM
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11. When the drum guys were eliminated, I thought What???? ...and then
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 06:48 AM by BlueJazz
...the bells were going off in my head. (No..don't tell me that the sob story is going to win).
Actually the Drum Guys last performance ...where the drummers were in the Glass Cubicle.. was strictly "LAS VEGAS"
They would have fit perfectly in that type of scenario....and I could have understood them winning :)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:00 PM
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12. Exactly! They were terrific And they had the inspiring "back story"
that seems so important lately. They were perfect for Vegas.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:30 AM
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3. Saracat, when Kevin Skinner
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 12:32 AM by Blue_In_AK
beat out Drew Stevyns, I could see the fix was in. The good ol' boys of America wanted the good ol' boy to win, not some hoity-toity opera singer who's a "furriner" besides. I mean, PADILLA?? Come on.

I almost forgot :sarcasm:

I don't have anything against country music per se, or Kevin Skinner, in particular, but there were clearly many more talented acts.

But I can't complain because I didn't vote. :shrug:

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:46 AM
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6. I didn't vote either but I found the results eerily reminiscent
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:47 AM by saracat
of the American Idol business with Adam Lambert( and for some of the same reasons you cite). I have nothing against Skinner or country music either but Skinner can't really sing! And yeah, when he beat Stevens my husband and I said the same thing! I thought the jig was up when they eliminated those drummers!

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:38 PM
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18. The thing about Stevyns, too,
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 12:38 PM by Blue_In_AK
is that he improved so much from week to week while Skinner, I thought, performed less satisfactorily. Stevyns knocked it out of the park with that "I'll Stand by You," while Skinner's performance of the Aerosmith song was just painful, in my opinion, didn't fit his style at all.

But at someone pointed out below, probably all of these people will have good careers -- Padilla in particular and Stevyns, too, especially if Sharon's instincts as a promoter are accurate. And the drummers were made for Vegas.

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:36 AM
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5. I have no clue what this OP means, but I'm responding anyway.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:06 AM
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8. i don't think most americans are into opera
i don't watch this show. i like opera but i don't think most americans do.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:03 PM
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13. I would agree . Opera usually doesn't get me either but there was something about this woman!
She was so stunning, she brought many to tears.She actually brought me to tears!And she was stunning and real visually.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:15 AM
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9. I closed my eyes and missed it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMGRaTocdpg

For my part, I think he just picked a much better song. Maybe if I had understood the words to her song, I might have appreciated it more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NClQN3yLZqc

There's just no way I would buy her CD or listen to her for an hour doing songs like that.

Of course, that means I am just a low-brow who doesn't appreciate great art, even though I play two musical instruments and sing. Just like most of the rest of the voters.


Besides that, how can you be against Kevin on DU? Kevin SKINNER.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:12 PM
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15. If it was just a case of 'pop" music winning out, Drew Stephens should have won.
the percussion group could have beaten her on overal Vegas like talent.Skinner just didn't sing that well. Emotional, yes but he was flat.Many better singers were eliminated.if he weren't a white guy who soundedlike that texas cartoon and hadn't quit his job, I can't believe he would have won!

And while I don't usually listen to ope3ra as it gives me a headache, Barbara was awe inspiring! And i couldn't understand a word Skinner spoke! He seemed like a nice person but was definately "so what" in the talent catagory.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:49 PM
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20. you must be joking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfWrXaHughw

This obscure Pretender's song compared to an Aerosmith song that was tied to a movie and was also a big country hit? He might be a much better singer, but his song selection sucks. If you wanna win the contest you need to do something like "Bridge over troubled water". Skinner had people in TVland singing along with him. Drew had people going 'this song sucks'.

He said he just went through a breakup, he shoulda tried this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFhp0ZjuOmM

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtJ48gvAqs

Neither of those were huge hits, but I think they would have played better than the song he did.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:48 PM
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19. I couldn't even make it through the first twenty seconds of Skinner's performance
I counted at least three missed pitches in the first several seconds. I couldn't finish watching his performance because he was so off-pitch; that's something close to physical auditory pain to me. Having perfect pitch helps me in knowing where the notes are supposed to be, but it was like he wasn't even trying to hit the notes at all, just sliding all over the scale with rubber bands, duct tape, and hope.

I have played piano, oboe, tuned and untuned percussion, and performed both as a solo vocalist and in groups. In the past, I've performed in front of tens of thousands of people. I could sing better than this guy when I was in high school.

From a purely technical standpoint, that performance was a fail. It's hard for me to believe he even made it to the finals.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:00 PM
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21. thank goodness you are not a snob or intolerant or something
admittedly I was not listening that closely since I was singing along. "From a purely technical standpoint ..."

That's the thing, a musical perfomance is not 'purely technical'.

I think a big part of his victory was that he did a passable cover of a song lots of people love, and his competition, while having more talent, simply did not.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:11 PM
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22. I should have said "from a technical standpoind alone"
I'm well aware of what goes into performing on a stage in front of lots of people. What I did wasn't snobbery in the least- the man was off-pitch, period. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me, and sticks out like a sore thumb.

You probably hit the notes truer than he did.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:34 PM
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23. it wasn't nails on a chalkboard to me
I barely noticed, even the second time through. As for me, although I perform every week, these days I can't even seem to hit the right notes on the piano. I cannot seem to get through even easy and familiar pieces without a mistake or two except in practice when I am having more fun too. And the piano needs a tune too.

Most of us do not have perfect pitch, which is probably a good thing if it allows us to enjoy performances which are less than perfect (even by a long ways).
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:47 PM
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27. "America's Got Passable Talent"
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 01:47 PM by gatorboy
I like the sound of that show!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:40 PM
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28. I don't like any of these stupid contest shows
Between Big Brother 47, Survivor 1,426, Amazing Race, Wipeout, Amarica's got Talent, Supernanny, Who wants to be a millionaire, Deal or No Deal, So you think you can dance, American Idle, Dancing with the Stars, etc., it is like there is absolutely nothing on TV.

My point is that the combination of good performance, great song, beats the comination of great performance and crappy song and great performance and focking opera. I don't really care how amazing their voices are, I am not listening to a radio station that plays opera and I am not buying an opera CD.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:50 PM
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29. Baloney. I agree that it isn't" purely technical" but it isn't just song choice either.
I can appreciate and respect well done songs that I don't like or genres of music I don't care for. Song interpetation also counts in spades. Some folks think that because he sang from the heart, allegedly, that Skinner gave a good performance.

Stevens also seemed able to convey emotion and he can actually sing. Skinner doesn't even belong in a karoke bar.
He was flat.He wasn't "passable".

These were the same folks who thought Lambert was too polished and a "performer". In other words, too "talented' to win!

Kevin is a good old boy but he certainly didn't give anything resembling a million dollar performance.

And he really isn't going to have much of a career.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:52 PM
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31. well I thought he was passable
certainly no worse than Robert Plant or Bono or Garth Brooks, all popular singers that I can barely stand to listen to. In fact, Taylor is not my idea of a good vocalist, but the song was still a huge hit.

I don't mean to say that it is just song choice, but when a huge hit song goes against an obscure song, it does not totally surprise me when the huge hit wins. Listening to the other two performers, I am not wowed by their talent, I am turned off by the song and by the genre. I think Drew would have won with a better song selection. As it stood, he was in a race where he gave his opponent a fifty yard head start. Give me a fifty yard head start against any world class sprinter and I will win a 100 yard dash.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:11 PM
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33.  "I'll Stand by You" by the pretenders is hardly obscure and is equally
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 05:12 PM by saracat
loved as "I don't want to miss a thing".Carrie Underwood also did a nice version of this. I simply don't agree that in this instance it was song choice. I just re watched the videos and if anything Drew was better than I remembered and Skinner was worse. I'll bet the judges have a cow when they look back at those videos!
Drew certainly was a dark horse. I had never even noticed him before but he was hot, and the total package.

and none of the singers you cite are "flat'. Robert Plante is a fabulous vocalist but perhaps you don't like Led Zep, which is okay but he can flat out sing.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:17 PM
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34. nope, it peaked at #16 in 1994 and #6 in 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I\'ll_Stand_by_You

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Don%27t_Want_to_Miss_a_T...

vs #1 in 1998. The one song just soars while the other skips and stutters.

I don't like Zep partly because I don't like the sound of Plant. I never said he was flat.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:22 PM
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35. But it still isn't "obscure'!
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cayanne Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:47 AM
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10. Barbara belongs on the world stage
Not some Jerry Springer sponsored Vegas show. My prediction is she will be big, very big. Maybe another Beverly Sills or Maria Callas. I can't wait to buy her cds.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:04 PM
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14. Yeah. I kept thinkin La Scala and the met. She is another Maria Calla but beautiful!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:17 PM
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16. Remember Jesse Camp? Sanjaya?
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 12:18 PM by redqueen
Why do people care so much about these silly shows anyway?
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:21 PM
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17. An opera singer won last year.
My DH, who's addicted to that show, pointed that out.

I agree with you. Ms. Padilla's next stop should be the Met or La Scala. She doesn't belong in Vegas; she can do much better than that!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:53 PM
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30. Really? This is the first time i have ever seen this show soI didn't realize that.
The judges didn't seem to feel that they had ever heard a voice like that ever before on that show.Was it a male opera singer?
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:38 PM
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25. I can't wait to see his Vegas show!
It's gonna be mumbling, crying extravaganza!!!

His last two performances were HORRID. I'd prefer the cornball Texas Tenors over that Boomhauer.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:45 PM
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26. I think he was a fake anyway
All that aw shucks kind of stuff really rang hollow to me.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:52 PM
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32. Which is why he remided me of Bush! the fake folksy but he may not have been fake.
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 04:59 PM by saracat
He just wasn't that talented.
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