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Trocadero Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:54 PM
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Joe Wilson is a descendant of a Confederate soldier - and celebrates this thru SCV
http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=3985


The citizen-soldiers who fought for the Confederacy personified the best qualities of America. The preservation of liberty and freedom was the motivating factor in the South's decision to fight the Second American Revolution. The tenacity with which Confederate soldiers fought underscored their belief in the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. These attributes are the underpinning of our democratic society and represent the foundation on which this nation was built.
Today, the Sons of Confederate Veterans is preserving the history and legacy of these heroes, so future generations can understand the motives that animated the Southern Cause.

The SCV is the direct heir of the United Confederate Veterans, and the oldest hereditary organization for male descendents of Confederate soldiers...

http://www.scv.org /


THAT EXPLAINS A LOT.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:56 PM
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1. it has bumper stickers for sale on its site
'THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT'
says one of them.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:58 PM
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2. Are we sure his ancestors were really confederate veterans?
He's probably from Wisconsin or some damn place. Kenya.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:46 AM
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13. But can he produce his grandfather's long form birth certificate
That is the question he refuses to answer.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:04 AM
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3. They defend their rights under a Constitution of a country
they do not want to be a part of.
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:06 AM
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4. It must suck to lose the same war over and over ....
...and over and over... every second Saturday... :crazy:
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:07 AM
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5. You are either a US soldier who defends the constitution from enemies foriegn or domestic or
you are a traitor. So eff off Wilson.
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BDW1964 Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:07 AM
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6. WOW, what an insightful post.....
Exactly what does it explain? Many people who are descended from Confederate soldiers are now progressive, liberal minded Democrats. Is it your intimation than anyone who remembers the sacrifices made by their ancestors in a brutal, gut wrenching civil war, somehow prone to being a modern day Republican theocrat? Or is this perhaps simply another "Southerns are all lower life forms", insinuation?

Note, there are two organizations, where modern day descendants of Civil War soldiers participate to remember the sacrifices that our re-united nation suffered.There is the SCV (Sons of Confederate Veterans) and the SUV (Sons of Union Veterans). Would Joe McCarthy belonging to the SUV , explain his right wing, witch hunts in the 1950's?

It is easy to broad brush an entire population of people. All too typical on here.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:08 AM
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7. My great grandfather was a confederate soldier.
Nothing I'm proud or ashamed of, he just was. He certainly didn't own slaves. He didn't own much of anything but Virginia was home so he fought for the south.

I was invited to join Daughter's of the confederacy or some such shit but declined. I was also invited to join the Dauaghters of the American Revolution and declined. I see no purpose in joining either.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:09 AM
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8. Also a group that the SLPC notes has been taken over by white pride radicals...
...in recent years.

I wonder if Wilson still holds that membership?

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?...
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Trocadero Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:16 AM
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9. shocker
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Trocadero Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:02 AM
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14. I sent that article to a reporter at The State newspaper - it's fascinating
I'm hoping he can dig out detail about Wilson's role in the group, and the true nature of the group.


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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:30 AM
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10. the descendants of this gentleman could be too




http://www.blackconfederates.com /
"As Edward Smith, Dean of Minority Affairs and Professor of History at American University, remarked in the August 1991 edition of The Civil War News, "to admit that blacks actually fought for a cause which in the minds of many 20th century Americans now stands exclusively for slavery and oppression is unacceptable to many in the country concerned with only politics and not with the realities of historical record."



My point being - it's real easy to swing that broad brush on these groups and assume they're simply racist groups. I suggest you watch 'The American Civil War' by Ken Burns to get a thorough lesson into all aspects of the war and maybe it will help you understand the historical context of these groups and why they exist.

Of course there are racists in the south - just like there is in the north. No part of this country is immune from it.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:28 AM
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18. LOL What are you trying to say here?
Because some blacks fought for the Confederacy that means it wasn't racist?

:rofl:

How easy it is to confuse white supremacy by sticking a few blacks somewhere. Republicans been doing that for years and it still confuses people.

Color is a state of mind. When will people start to get this?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:03 PM
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19. I'm trying to say one cannot make the conclusion that anyone that is a descendant
of a confederate soldier is one thing or another. It is also true not everyone in the group is a racist now even if some may be. Why is that so hard to understand?

A response like yours is exactly why I included the bit about watching Ken Burn's documentary. The issues revolving around the civil war are not that black and white - pardon the pun.

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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:37 AM
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11. Second American Revolution WTF???????????????
The preservation of liberty and freedom was the motivating factor in the South's decision to fight the Second American Revolution.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:43 AM
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12. I know a few members of the SCV
Fundamentally I think the group is a good idea in principle, just like the SUVCW, Daughters of the American Revolution, etc. because the preservation of history is always a good idea.

The problem is that most of the SCV members I know are about as batshit crazy as the Holocaust deniers. They want to rewrite history to align with their own warped view of the world.
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Trocadero Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:03 AM
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15. on this topic, this article is a must-read: >>
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:03 AM
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16. Your link didn't work, but the SPLC...
has done a lot of stories about the SCV. It's basically the modern day equivelent of the KKK now that it's not cool to be a card carrying member of the Klan. There's a few non-bigots who are members, but their voices are getting drowned out by the mouth breathers.

If you've never seen one of their get-togethers you really should go for the entertainment value if nothing else. It's a bunch of lard-ass hillbillies that dress up as confederate soldiers and re-enact civil war battles. The best time to go is in the summer because after about an hour in the hot sun in wool uniforms the good-ol-boys start to ooze cheap beer and rot-gut liquor from every pore and they knock off early to go sit in the shade and drink some more. After a few more drinks the political discourse (if you can call it that) starts and you realize there's no shortage of dipshits that make up the GOP constituency.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 07:51 AM
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17. I could join the DAR, the Daughters of the Confederacy, and
probably every other group heralding people who fought. My family has been in SC since the late 1600's so I'm sure somebody I'm descended from was involved in everything under the sun.

I won't do it because they are racist organizations. They can try to peddle it however they want to. However, no matter what historical intentions they have, they simply give cover to addled, ignorant throwbacks. People of any substance who belong to these organizations, IMHO, add a sheen of respectability to others who are up to no good. That is what is wrong with them, and as far as I can see, it always will be.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:10 PM
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20. I am a descendent of a Confederate soldier
It means absolutely nothing, I am very happy that I was the one that gave this idiotic post it's first negative rec.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 01:13 PM
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21. At least two of my descendants were Confederate soldiers.
I guess that makes me a really bad person to someone like you.
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